Reid To Coleman: It's Over. Concede.
I believe that tomorrow the bipartisan state canvassing board will certify Al Franken the winner. After all, early on Senator Coleman criticized Al Franken for wanting a recount and wasting taxpayer money. I would hope now that it is clear he lost, that Senator Coleman follow his own advice and not subject the people of Minnesota to a costly legal battle.
One major caveat: Even if Reid wants to get Franken seated immediately, there will almost certainly be a filibuster from the GOP against it, while Coleman pursues his expected legal challenges. And the reality is that there isn't really anything Reid can do to force the desired outcome if the Republican caucus stays united.
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I'm not sure that's accurate.
A filibuster may not even be within the rules since this is, at bottom, a Constitutional duty of the Senate relating to the establishment of rules. It's parliamentary procedure, not legislative or executive calendar business.
January 4, 2009 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually there is something Reid can do. Force them to conduct an actually filibuster.
January 4, 2009 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only things Reid knows how to force are kidney stones. He is the weakest, most pathetic Majority Leader I have ever seen. He can't seem to grasp that he has the upper hand. Its either that or he's a secret republican.
How about a little use of that power? Threaten to treat them the way they treated Dems over the previous 6 years. This is disgusting.
I know I will regret this, but could he be any more impotent?
January 4, 2009 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"secret republican"? I think you're being overly generous in giving him the benefit of the doubt. I would go with not-so-secret Republican.
January 4, 2009 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
TM,
Reid is a eunich who's one attribute seems to be vacillation in the face of the least Republican pressure. That he remains in his post is a reflection on the rest of the spineless Democrats in the Senate.
Notice that Reid addressed Coleman and not the Republicans in the Senate, especially Cornyn.
January 5, 2009 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Never underestimate the underwhelming power of a well-crafted, sternly-worded letter.
January 4, 2009 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now if we can only chip in enough money to buy Reid some testicles so he can lead the Senate. Why won't he fight the GOP's filibuster machine?
Get his tired weak ass the hell outta there.
January 4, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe when HRC leaves the Senate she could leave one or two of her three testes behind for Reid's use?
January 4, 2009 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one, but Senator Clinton has at least four balls.
January 5, 2009 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Wisten, Mr. Cowlman... yeah, this is Hawwy Weid... stop being so wascawy! You should wesign or I'll be weawy, weeeeeeeawy disappointed in you.
No, weawy, don't waff, this time I mean it! Don't make me have to do something I'w weegwet wayter, wike making my eyebwows aww fuwwowed."
God, I never thought I'd appreciate LBJ's senatorial style, but now, watching the Dems tiptoe through tulips, I gotta hand it to ol' Lyndon. Knock some heads, Harry!
January 4, 2009 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is freaking hilarious!
FYI, I've always admired LBJ's senate style. It came in handy when he went to the WH. Without it there would have been no Civil Rights Bill or Voting Rights Bill or any of the Great Society things.
January 4, 2009 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
BluGrass nailed it.
January 4, 2009 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I understand it, the rules for the filibuster are determined by the Senate's organizing resolution, which is passed at the beginning of each two-year session by a simple majority. Certain items, like budget reconciliation, aren't subject to a filibuster. Why don't the Democrats just put into the organizing resolution a provision that a recommendation from the Membership Committee (or whatever it's called) to seat a particular member, provisionally or otherwise, can't be filibustered?
January 4, 2009 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
True progressive to Reid: It's over. Get the hell out of Washington and let a leader take the helm of the most important Senate in history.
January 4, 2009 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republicans have already explained how to do this, when they advocated using the "nuclear option". If the Republicans want to hold things up, they can do so until Jan. 20. At that point, Joe Biden, in his role as presiding officer of the Senate, can recognize a point of order from any Democrat and rule the Republican attempt to block the seating of Al Franken out of order, since there's no precedent for using a filibuster to block a lawfully elected member. If the Republicans object, then they would need a majority of the Senate (which they don't have) to overturn Biden's ruling.
January 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did Mitch McConnell give Harry Reid permission to object mildly to something the Republicans want? If not, it would be a first. If Harry Reid and fellow buttboy Joe Lieberman both officially join the GOP, as opposed to simply supporting them in most things that make a difference, there'd still be enough Democrats to get things done to improve the lives of 300 million Americans who aren't millionaires.
January 4, 2009 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did Mitch McConnell give Harry Reid permission to object mildly to something the Republicans want? If not, it would be a first. If Harry Reid and fellow buttboy Joe Lieberman both officially join the GOP, as opposed to simply supporting them in most things that make a difference, there'd still be enough Democrats to get things done to improve the lives of 300 million Americans who aren't millionaires.
January 4, 2009 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm all for the nuclear option early in the new session of Congress if the Republicans are going to stay united in their obstructionsim. The Franken situation is a perfect test case. Reid ought to call their bluff and find out if Snowe and the other moderate GOP Senators will stick with their colleagues, or exercise some independence and allow Franken to be seated. If the GOP refuses to budge, then nuke their ass with a rules change.
January 4, 2009 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
No nukes. Just make them follow through with a real filibuster.
The filibuster is a great thing. We don't want to get rid of it.
Look, when the majority is right, the filibuster is a great tool for them to stop bad legislation, plus, it brings the issue into the limelight so that the media and public start to pay attention to the debate. When the majority is wrong, or just being obtructionists, that also gets a spotlight and makes the minority party look like the spoilers. So, in this case, making the Republicans actually stay up all night to block the seating of a properly elected memmber of the Senate is just going to make the Republicans look bad.
January 4, 2009 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can agree with keeping the Senate floor a nuclear free zone. The nuke option is a last act of desperation for repugs to fall back to, not Democrats. Make the repugs actually stand up and be accountable to the public for what they really are - obstructionist - not legislators. better to take the wind out of their sails in the first few days than to give them time to get organized for a long battle.
January 5, 2009 6:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can agree with keeping the Senate floor a nuclear free zone. The nuke option is a last act of desperation for repugs to fall back to, not Democrats. Make the repugs actually stand up and be accountable to the public for what they really are - obstructionist - not legislators. better to take the wind out of their sails in the first few days than to give them time to get organized for a long battle.
January 5, 2009 6:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
The sooner the filibuster becomes a relic of history, the better. It's number one use since 1917 was to stymie civil rights legislation.
There is also the option of simply lowering the requirement to say 55 senators instead of 60. That way all the Senate purists and ideological worrywarts from both sides can still pretend that the Senate is the world's "Greatest Deliberative Body" instead of a collection of primarily long ago corrupted and rich white guys.
January 5, 2009 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Power is a funny thing; it is by design only to temporary; be it bestowed legitimately or illegitimately, when those who gain it illegitimately seek to keep it even though it was always only temporary they lose it permanently.
Each day Coleman fought losing his place and power attempting to win tactical even procedural battles without an eye that it is the people's will that was always at stake, not his or his supporters. He is being made to look foolish and totally without any moral standing.
The more he fights the more he will lose any standing except for those who might try to use him for some small gain.
January 4, 2009 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I've said, if Coleman has any interest in ever running for office in Minnesota in the future, it's in his best interests to step aside.
January 4, 2009 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daddy D,
When the majority is right, they don't need the filibuster- they can stop bad legislation with a straight-up vote.
My reason for wanting to go nuclear at this moment in time is twofold-- the country is in the ditch, and if Obama can't move his agenda forward, we could be in really serious trouble. Second, the GOP is in an even deeper ditch, and if we play our cards right it will be decades before they dig themselves out. So, given the dire circumstances of the moment, I think we need the ability to hammer legislation thru Congress, even though I acknowledge that we could regret the loss of the filibuster at some future date.
January 4, 2009 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
But wouldn't it be better if the repugs were allowed to shove sticks thru the spokes and have CSPAN catch them in the act every time they do it? It won't take too long before public reaction gets their attention. And if it really gets way out of hand, there may be recall attempts for change in who represents the best interests of the state before the mid-term elections.
January 5, 2009 7:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cspan might notice, but nobody else will.
The elections are over, people are cleaning up after their holidays and facing the long winter of having no money/job/credit etc.
Nobody gives a flying fig if the Republicans are being "obstructionist" but the lonely souls who read political blogs.
Better to exercise the nuclear option right now and let nature take its course. If things don't get done soon, a moral victory is going to be cold comfort while we're shuffling to keep warm in the soup line.
January 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right on Pope! The world is crashing into despair and we are having a procedural argument!?! 95% of people do not know what a filibuster even is or how it works and so why worry about offending someone while the country burns down. When the repubs were in a slight majority they threatened the 'nuclear option' to end democratic filibusters, so now let them eat their own shitpie like it or not. They LOST this election big time and they do not need to be threatening us with obstruction now.
January 5, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's an idea, Harry. Make them actually go up there and filibuster and not just buckle because they threaten to filibuster.
January 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, Coleman isn't Senator any longer Reid, you worthless bigot jackass.
January 5, 2009 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
If, as pointed out on another story by an informed commenter, Minnesota law requires the person contesting the election result in court to post bond and if they lose, to pay the legal costs, then Harry Reid's letter to Norm Coleman is truly inane: If Coleman loses the court case, he pays for it and Minnesota taxpayers don't. If Coleman wins the court case, and therefore the election, then Reid has no grounds to ask him to step aside.
Reid really has to go away! Hundreds of millions of Americans voted for change and for effective leadership to achieve that change. If the Democrats keep flinching at shadows, and keep adhering to a policy of incessant appeasement of the party which the people just repudiated . . . then a lot of ordinary people will say: "We've been sold out!"
January 5, 2009 2:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Axolotic,,
Reid obviously has to either grow a pair and quickly , or give the leadership to another Senator -who would you pick ? I am not sanguine enough on the Senatorial procedure for picking the new leadership - to know if Senator Sheldon Whitehouse could stand a chance in replacing the feckless Reid - but the good Senator from Rhode Island has shown plenty of 'testicular muscularity" when it comes to standing up to the GOP ...
January 5, 2009 5:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Axolotic,,
Reid obviously has to either grow a pair and quickly , or give the leadership to another Senator -who would you pick ? I am not sanguine enough on the Senatorial procedure for picking the new leadership - to know if Senator Sheldon Whitehouse could stand a chance in replacing the feckless Reid - but the good Senator from Rhode Island has shown plenty of 'testicular muscularity" when it comes to standing up to the GOP ...
January 5, 2009 5:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Last year, Chris Dodd made noises about challenging Reid but it seems to have died down since his mini-scandal. Still, I'd love having Dodd up there.
January 5, 2009 8:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, a republican only has to say the word filibuster, and "leader" Reid will roll over. Rumor has it that Pelosi has discovered that being the majority means something when it comes to being able to do something (we shall see). If she has, hopefully Reid will learn something about leadership - but ....
January 5, 2009 8:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Coleman concedes, as Reid requests, Repubicans have nothing to filibuster. I see no problem with Reid's "suggestion" to Coleman, except that Coleman jut might not take it.
The Constant Weader at www.RealityChex.com
January 5, 2009 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I sent a letter to my U.S. Senator, Dick Durbin, asking what the hell is up with this relatively new practice of treating threatened filibusters as actual filibusters. As I pointed out to him, this has the effect of turning the Senate over to a minority right wing elite, which certainly was not the intent of the Framers. So far, you will be amazed to learn, I have not yet received a reply. In fact, I’ve not been able to find anyone who will explain just how this situation came to pass. I’d really like to know. Wouldn’t you?
January 5, 2009 8:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
AND: Seems as if Harry Reid was paying attention to all those snarky comments yesterday from TPM readers wondering how come only Chuck Schumer (belatedly) happened to mention Al Franken won. Congratulations, all.
The Constant Weader at www.RealityChex.com
January 5, 2009 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Burris to Reid: It's Over. Concede.
January 5, 2009 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
It seems to me that if Al Franken is ahead when the canvassing board meets, he should be given the same seniority as the members of his class (where he would rank 97 of 100 and 95 out of 100 in two weeks). I have no problems with not seating Franken for a month or so if he receives the same seniority as the members of his class when he officially is declared the winner.
January 5, 2009 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Two points i want to make. Coleman knows he's lost, but there is a very clear reason why he is pursuing this route: His party bosses have told him to stall and delay as long as possible- one less (D) in the senate just makes Obama's job of getting real change through that august body that much more difficult. Coleman is a team player and has never shown any inclination to do anything other than the bidding of his masters. Maybe if he plays his cards right, he can get tap into that endless supply of right-wing money to fund his legal defense fund.
second point: It seems obvious to me that Reid should seat Coleman and let the Republicans filibuster. What better way to send the message to the American people about how petty and obstructionist the Republicans are?
January 5, 2009 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lets send the Israeli Army in to oust Reid.
January 5, 2009 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh brother. If the tables were turned everyone would be whining that the stand up comedian should take it all the way to the supremes. Coleman has the legal right to challenge the results. What is the big deal? Odds are that he won't be successful and letting it play out takes away an argument for the republicans.
Reid isn't that bad either. He has to build consensus and you can't do that with a baseball bat. Also, you want republicans on board as much as possible so that they also share the blame if something blows up and doesn't work. It really isn't rocket science.
I wish clinton would have shown her 4 balls or whatever in response to the iraq resolutions and stopped this senseless war. That would have been the time to do it. In my book she was a lame and pathetic senator and showed no "balls," except during the primaries when she and mr. bill saw that their gravey train was slipping away. She has "balls" my a**.
January 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael A-hole is here to spin shit again .... First, the "stand up" is one of the best modern political authors I have ever read. "LIES and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them" is brilliant stuff. Al understands the issues, he understands the games and tactics, and he is an absolutely fearless progressive in the face of right wing bullshit. He just got himself elected a goddamned United States Senator for crying out loud! What does a guy have to do to get a little respect around here???
Second, Hillary Clinton had no power to stop the Bush/Cheney war machine despite her vote for or against any UN resolution that Bush IGNORED anyway. Bill Clinton did not try to oust Sadam because he knew it was more trouble than it was worth. The neocons took over and did what the fuck they always wanted to do, send in the army. Neither Clinton had any power to stop them so quit with making Iraq their fault. I just makes no sense.
Third, you could have a whole basket full of balls and you would never take personal responsibility for making the world a better place like Senator Franken, Secretary of State Clinton, and President Clinton. Petty naysayers like yourself do not make history. People with brains and courage do.
January 5, 2009 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep rewriting history.
1. I don't like franken, so what. Just because someone writes a book or is a political commentator on air america doesn't mean that they will make a good senator. We'll see what he does as a senator.
2. If the clintons would have been kicking and screaming about the NIE, the country would not have allowed the king and the neocons go to war. The king's people were worried that mr. bill wouldn't get on board by the way, which would have stopped the war in and of itself. They gave their stamp of approval in the face of no evidence. That's not courage. That's playing political games with the deaths of hundreds of thousands of iraqis and thousands of american soldiers. I also hold powell accountable as well.
3. She didn't do squat in the senate. She didn't want to do anything that was "controversial" because she planned on running for president on mr. bill's coattails.
4. I disagree with your spin on the republican lite clintons, sorry. Talk about spin, give me a break.
January 5, 2009 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Simple and sweet. The Clintons are not responsible for the Iraq War, Bush and Cheney are. The Bush PR team was running around telling everyone that Sadam had nukes and were we just going to wait for the mushroom cloud and be pussies or what? I myself assumed that if the guy had nukes he should go. ( I of course do not work for the CIA so what do I know? ) The Clintons were in favor of letting the weapons inspectors finish their job and that might have answered the question, but Bush threw the inspectors out of Iraq and attacked anyway ..... like the neocons always wanted. So I get you hate Franken (you never read his books), and you hate the Clintons so you need to twist reality to make them the the fault of every problem but I actually think it just shows how prejudice warps reality for people soft on the facts. I have had some experience with people like you in organizations where you feel the need to attack the others in the group, especially the leaders, instead of attacking the real opposition, the reason the group was formed in the first place. This social disorder needs a name ..... hmmm.... let's call it the Michael A syndrome. " An overwhelming need to criticize your friends to the never ending advantage of your enemies"
January 5, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Couple of points:
1. I don't hate anybody, either franken or the clintons. Typical spin to detract from an argument.
2. Sooo what on the weapons inspectors, they should have been jumping up and down on the resolution to authorize force. There was no evidence and they had the NIE and Graham from florida was jumping up and down about no evidence. It was political cowardice on their part.
3. I love it a social disorder because I don't buy the bs hook, line and sinker. To me actions speak louder than words. To that end, my opinion of franken may change based on his actions in the senate. The clintons have already proven themselves with their actions. Again, as secretary of state, she could prove me wrong and I hope so, but based on conduct to date I doubt it. By the way, she is so courageous that she is giving up her senate seat right now like salazar did. Oh, that's right she wants to make sure that she is confirmed before she gives it up. What "balls" she has.
4. You clintonites are what I would call sheep. You just buy the bs. Damn the contrary facts, believe and regurgitate the bs and attack anyone who doesn't fall in line with your rosy clintonian view. Pathetic.
January 5, 2009 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Incidentally, the stand up isn't certified as the senator from minnesota until the legal challenges are exhausted under minnesota law. This is just posturing and no one will be seated until the legal challenges are concluded. Total waste of time by reid and the dems. Just let it play out.
January 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael A,
how many appeals, how many courts must we allow Coleman to petiton before we can say the legal system ran its course?
Coleman could start a grand precedent here, everytime an election is over the loser can file a lawsuit which can keep the winner from being seated.
January 5, 2009 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, it is what it is. I am sure that Minnesota can expedite the process so that it doesn't take long. If the shoe were on the other foot and the stand up comedian was down by 200 votes, everyone would be screaming for court challenges.
I don't anticipate that coleman will get very far and the process will be over quickly. It is the law and unfortunately in minnesota, the law is that the winner is not certified until the legal challenges are exhausted.
By the way, dems file legal challenges to elections all the time. Both parties do it. It is no grand precedent. It's just that minnesota law is unique on the certification issue. I say just let it play out. The process will be done quickly, as evidenced by the minnesota supremes quick decision on Coleman's petition. I bet the stand up comedian will be certified in a few weeks at most.
January 5, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just so everyone's clear on this - I agree that Senate Dems have too often knuckled under to the threatened filibuster, but in several cases you need to consider what an actual filibuster would entail. In this case, it would tie up the Senate at the beginning of the Obama administration, and if it continued for a long period of time would delay things like nomination hearings.
January 5, 2009 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's stopping the Rethugs from seating Kay Hagan? Or Chris Dodd? Or even Harry Reid? If they can simply refuse to seat duly elected senators such as Al Franken, why can't they just refuse to seat anybody?
January 5, 2009 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink