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Obama Economic Adviser Promotes Stimulus Plan On YouTube
The Obama transition team has posted this new YouTube video featuring Christina Romer, who will be Obama's chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, to promote Obama's stimulus plan:

Back in 2007 and 2008, the Obama campaign was noted for the ways it used the Internet to reach out to voters and spread its message. Now that he's won the election, the incoming Obama Administration is still using the new medium to push its policies.

Obama Shows Reluctance On Investigating Bush White House On Torture
In an interview on ABC's This Week, Barack Obama seemed to indicate that his administration won't be investigating the Bush White House for crimes related to torture, wiretapping and other offenses:

"We're still evaluating how we're going to approach the whole issue of interrogations, detentions, and so forth. And obviously we're going to be looking at past practices and I don't believe that anybody is above the law. On the other hand I also have a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards. And part of my job is to make sure that for example at the CIA, you've got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don't want them to suddenly feel like they've got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering up."

Biden Visits Afghanistan
Joe Biden visited Afghanistan on Saturday, meeting with President Hamid Karzai and military leaders. He also visited the southern Afghanistan region, a Taliban stronghold. "I am very interested in what becomes of this region because it affects us all," Biden said in a statement.

Coleman Campaign Swamps Counties With Document Requests
The Star Tribune reports that county election officials in Minnesota are being overwhelmed with requests from Norm Coleman's lawyers, who are looking for documents such as approved absentee ballot envelopes and precinct voting rosters, in their effort to subtract votes from Al Franken and add votes for Norm Coleman. "You're talking 30,000, 40,000 pages of documents," said Stearns County (St. Cloud) elections chief Dave Walz -- and he was just talking about his county alone.

Bush: GOP Shouldn't Change Philosophy -- But Needs To Change Messengers
In an interview with Fox News Sunday, President Bush said that Republicans must avoid being seen as the anti-immigrant party if they want to be viable, and also that they shouldn't deviate from an anti-tax and pro-military platform. "We shouldn't change our philosophy," said Bush. "We may want to change our messaging. We definitely want to change messengers. We need a new group of leaders."

Caroline Kennedy Meets With Paterson
The New York Times reports that Caroline Kennedy and David Paterson met on Saturday, their first formal discussion about Hillary Clinton's Senate seat. Paterson has already met with other people who are interested in the seat, including Reps. Steve Israel and Carolyn Maloney, plus Nassau County Executive Tom Suozzi, and his office told the Times that he will be holding more meetings in the coming days.

Biden Officially Resigning From Senate, Effective Thursday
Joe Biden has officially tendered his resignation from the Senate, effective at 5 p.m. ET on January 15. Biden was sworn in for his seventh term just this past Saturday, choosing to remain a Senator for just a short while longer before becoming vice president -- for example, staying in the Senate enabled him to go on his current tour of Asia.


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Eric,

Its unfair to assume the Obama won't be investigating the Bush White House for crimes of torture, wiretapping etc. Consider what's on this man's plate for the next four years. He's taking on office during one of the worse economic crisis in 60 yrs. Bush is not a top priority for Americans look for jobs, healthcare etc.

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It is unfair to assume that there won't be an investigation. I think it's fair to assume, from what he said, that he won't be investigating people who remain at the CIA. I also think it would be unwise of him to state his intention to investigate people whose cooperation he needs during the transition.

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It is time to move forward.

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Any idea what will happen to healthcare reform infrastructure investment, energy and the rest if Obama makes investigating Bushco a legislative priority?

I agree, ru4862. Let's save righteous indignation for the supper table and TPM and move on.

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Sure, it's all good until we elect another President like Bush- then watch out! There are precedents for enormous executive powers and for the President to torture, illegally wiretap, and do any number of illegal things. Precedents that show the President can do it and was never prosecuted for it. Precedents that say Congress has no authority based on past precedents and tradition to try to impeach a President for taking over the three branches of government- they didn't before. Tradition says they can grab all the power they want.

Democrats are in control- prosecute now or pray you aren't around when the next W. takes office.

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"Any idea what will happen to healthcare reform infrastructure investment, energy and the rest if Obama makes investigating Bushco a legislative priority?"

The truth will set the American people fee- they'll never stand by Republicans once they now what really happened behind close doors since 2000.

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When you ignore the rule of law, it matters not what laws you pass. You've already established that laws can be disregarded.

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Exactly. You said that much more succinctly than I.

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Any idea what will happen if we confirm to the Republicans that we are the pussycats and they are the attack dogs?

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'It's time to move forward' is not a good reason to ignore a duty to enforce the law. Investigating crime is part of that. Not to investigate should be a crime also.

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Um, I don't have a job, lost it the day before Thanksgiving, and while I certainly want the focus to be on the economy, I would hope our government is capable of doing more than one thing at once. I want investigations and I want prosecutions.

The precedent of the overreaching Bush executive and the resulting crimes must be prosecuted!!!

The future of our Nation depends on it.

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Eric, is there something wrong with the incoming administration's use of YouTube? I'm reading some ambiguity in your post.

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Watch out, the kid has the keys to the mother ship.

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Who are you talking about? Obama or Eric?

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Actually, I think that a more telling question could have been phrased in terms of international law... Something along the lines of... "Mr. Obama, as President of the United States you may be called on to make decisions that could be interpreted as violating the standards set forth in international treaties and conventions. We assume that you would only do this if faced with a impossible situation and weighed in the balance the fate of the nation. That said, since there are no exceptions built into these treaties one could expect that there could be consequences associated with this decision that could imperil your own personal liberty. Do you concede that there are situations where duly constituted international courts would have the jurisdiction to stand and pass judgment over the President or the ex-President of the United States?"

I find that the question asked on ABC made it sound like any action would have political overtones. I think a better, more telling approach of both the questioner and the Obama administration is to assume and assert that the rule of law is the paramount concern and should inform both the legal compass guiding their future actions and should guide any investigations into any past acts.

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Dubya sez...

We may want to change our messaging.  We definitely want to change messengers.

Yep.  That's the GOP's problem, all right.  Their ad agency sucks.  They need to find a new one.  That'll fix everything.

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You gotta love the GOP, the party of denial. They'll never be able to fix their party if they refuse to acknowledge that there is even a problem. Here's my take on the party of denial:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2009/01/party-of-denial.html

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White collar crime:

"He's suffered enough ..."
"We need to look forward, not backward ..."

Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

I saw a bumper sticker yesterday: "If voting changed anything it would be illegal." Obama's disregard for the rule of law confirms it.

Change we've been deceived in. To think I had the audacity to hope Obama was different.

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Nonsense. I didn't vote for Obama to punish Bush. I voted for him because there's a whole boatload of things that need fixing. I can't think of a faster way to sink the boat then congressional hearings on Bush's endless malfeasances.

Stipulated: the guy is a loser. His administration was incompetent, negligent (at times criminally so), morally bankrupted and believed itself above the law. Why should Obama spend his political capital trying to put the man in jail? The best way to demonstrate his contempt is to run a principled government.

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Agree 1000 percent. It's not worth the effort or the spent capital. Do a truth and reconciliation commission and get the sh*t out in the open. I wouldn't have obama involved at all. Conyers can investigate if he wants and others in congress. I personally want to know what the f*ck has been going on for the last 8 years. We haven't a clue and I want to know. They work for us and we have a right to know.

Shed light on the situation and forever trash the king and darth vader's legacy as war criminals. Also, enact legislation so that it never happens again. That's the bottom line.

I hope the criminals vacation in spain or italy and then they will wind up in the hague. Otherwise, nothing will happen to them other than the spotlight of attention on their crimes.

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exactly! I think this is where the Left or Progressives and Obama will part ways, maybe for good.

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I agree congressional hearings would be the wrong move at this (or probably any) point.

But Obama isn't in congress. He is taking an oath to uphold our laws and is in the sole position to do an honest investigation and bring charges (if warranted). I don't see how he's going to change things without drawing some lines in the sand about what constitutes criminal behavior. Not only in the military but also the activities of civil servants and appointees who used their positions for partisan purpose.

I didn't have any problem with the balanced statement he made though. If he wants to investigate, being quiet would be more helpful at this point than a bunch of saber rattling.

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To me this is short term gain (politcal safety- not prosecuting the Bush Adm.) for possible long term loss (of our basic rights and the rule of law).

I can't and won't agree to play it safe politically in this instance. there is too much at stake!

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some people say some REALLY DUMB SHIT.

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In terms of investigating Bush's war crimes, I personally would rather Obama spend the time and energy to FIX the economy, CLOSE Guantanamo, END the war in Iraq, WORK on middle East policy, and some how get us out of Afghanistan as well.

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and you can't add one more to that? Seriously.

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"CLOSE Guantanamo"

...and how, pray tell, do you expect to make sure another Guantanamo never happens again?

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Putting Bush in jail won't guarantee anything. Just like putting Ivan Boesky in jail didn't prevent Bernie Madoff.

Lead by example. Teach your children well.

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it's called accountability. do you want to teach your children about that?

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What do you think is worse, not bringing Bush and Cheyney to trial at all or bringing them to trial where they will eventually be found NOT guilty? Are you ready for that? Are you ready for months and months of this drama, the fallout and the backlash, only to see them go free? Genuine questions, by the way.

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All they want is for the trains to run on time. Who needs the rule of law? All we need is an efficient technocrat or autocrat, whatever, as long as the trains run on time.

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Calling people who disagree with you fascists--yeah, that's always a great way to win over the audience to your point of view.

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You don't think showing the world we take the abuses they suffered at OUR hands seriously would help advance the goals you articulated in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East?

Bush is gone, but we're sill the America that bombed the living shit out of everything we could find - and then tortured the survivors. Sure we've freed ourselves, but won't all the people who actually suffered and lost lives, homes and families have more respect and offer more support for future American actions if there is some sort of perceived justice?

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Actually the election of obama went a long way in telling the world who we are and changed our worldwide perception over night. I actually don't think that we need the king or darth vader in prison to make the point. I feel very confident that obama knows what he is doing and how to deal with the war crime problems of the king's administration. Let's wait and see what happens.

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"and changed our worldwide perception over night"

dream on. you may have forgiven and forgotten but the world hasn't and the republicans haven't either.

leave bush and cheney and their policies stand and the next time they are in office, boom, a large unitary executive is back in control doing things in secret and trampling on our rights. don't think it won't happen.

but go ahead- that's why they did it in the first place.

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Did I say that I forgave and forgot? Not in a million years.

Did I say that we should leave the king's criminal policies in place? Not in a million years.

You really are not grasping what is going on or what the position of the american people is, or my position.

We have too many incredibly important problems going on right at this very minute to have the commander in chief worrying about retribution. I would rather have him dealing with the problems and getting results. Retribution is a total afterthought right now. Solve the problems and move on. Let history or the italians or some other european country waste the time and resources prosecuting the king. I would rather see peace in the middle east or osama's head on a stick than waste a moment worrying about whether or not the us prosecutes the king and darth vader.

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It's about the rule of law, retribution has nothing to do with it.

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Bro, what are you doing? That article didn't say Obama will prosecute Bush. Why didn't you highlight the following sentence? "When asked about his comments by Fox news today, Biden said he has no evidence that criminal charges would be warranted and no intention of pursuing action against the current president."

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"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation, they will be pursued – not out of vengeance, not out of retribution, out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no attorney general, no president -- no one is above the law." ...

..."What is true is the United States Congress is trying to preserve records on questions that relate to whether or not the law has been violated by anyone," Biden said, adding: "But, you know, there's been an awful lot of unsavoury stuff that's gone on. And the mere fact … that it occurred in a previous administration doesn't mean [a subsequent] Justice Department, if, in fact, there's evidence, shouldn't pursue them. "But I have no evidence of any of that. No one's talking about pursuing President Bush criminally."

Those are his exact words.

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"And the mere fact … that it occurred in a previous administration doesn't mean [a subsequent] Justice Department, if, in fact, there's evidence, shouldn't pursue them."

Meaning, Biden gets it. Whether Obama does or not- Biden does, which was the reason I posted this. The point here is there are many in government who agree whether they will admit (like Biden) or not (like Obama). That's the only difference in my mind. There is ample evidence Bush and Co. are completely guilty of overstepping the law. Plenty, and plenty more Americans deserve to see. TPM Muckracker is based around the whole proposition.

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Ok. Actually Both Biden and Obama get it, but you wrote next to your link that Biden said we will prosecute Bush. Don't start writing like HuffPo now, ya hear?

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well ,actually it seems that Biden did say some "we" statements in there and then they back tracked. I guess they didn't say prosecute, but rather pursue which to me is the same thing.

all i'm saying is this open for discussion, in the very least. congress is pursuing the matter which is good. i'd like a more clear statement from obama, but he's leaving things open for wiggle room which is good. biden seems to get it which is good. what makes me frustrated is so many tamping down the discussion for "forgive and forget" and "move on". The Republicans aren't going to forget.

Remember Palin and her talk of expanding the role of v.p. during the campaign? they'll never forget and it's our rights that are forfeit if we do.

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You cant take anything Obama says about prosecuting Bush while Bush is still president. Wouldn't be very helpful in the transition would it? I wouldn't expect him to move much on it before he gets the recovery bill passed. After those 2 things go then ill start taking into account on what they say about the matter. But until then they need republicans not to go fuck things up because they are angry about Bush getting what he deserves. Obama needs to leave the door open to not anger the left and at the same time he cant go ahead and say he is going to prosecute Bush since it would anger the right.

I for one would love to see Bush rot in jail but ive waited 8 years for Bush to get out of office, just seeing him go away to his gated community in texas is good enough for me for a while.

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What are you pointing out to me? The other poster claimed that Biden says they will prosecute Bush. In the statements that you and I copied and pasted, Biden said he will not pursue Bush. Am I missing something? Did the other poster mean the Bush Administration or Bush himself? I've listened to Obama's and Biden's answers on this and neither of them say they will prosecute Bush. But they both repeat the same lines about being above the law, etc. etc. I take both their repsonses to mean, "yes crimes may have been committed, BUT....."

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One thing I think you can rely upon is that Barack Obama is NOT going to be the public face of any investigation into the previous administration. It's not his job and it would make no sense from either an administrative or political point of view.

Never mind what he says. Watch what his people do once they've had a chance to get unpacked.

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I am trying to figure out Norm's strategy. The only thing I can think of is that he hopes to make enough mess to get it kicked up to SCOTUS where Scalia and friends will let him stay.

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Which is a perfectly sound strategy, by the way. It is the 2008 equivalent of LBJ's lawyer Abe Fortas using the US court to circumvent Texas law in the 1948 primary election. Since the Thug priority now is to prevent Al Franken from being seated in the Senate, Coleman's own career is expendable in the process. And Norm, being tangled up in other issues regarding his personal finances (12 mortgages or loans against his house in 14 years!) . . . well, Norm is not in a position to object to being a pawn, even if he weren't also motivated by personal antagonism towards Franken.

Reid, of course, will cave.

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I think it's time to face the fact that Obama is NOT going to spend his political capital persecuting Bush. That may be wanted and cheered on by the left but it will turn the right totally against Obama where the rest of his presidency he is fighting tooth and nail against the right.

As it is apparent to all of us, Obama is a practical guy and in his mind he is thinking where do I spend my political capital on. It is obvious to me that he will putting it on the economy.

Persecuting Bush is way down on Obama's lists of things to do.

It ain't going to happen folks. The sooner that people realize that than the easier it will be to swallow.

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Actually, it's the Congress who has oversight ... belated, of course, but the ball is in their court, not Obama's.

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Actually, I view Obama’s comments as a positive. There is a process to be followed and he seems intent on following it.

Given what I have witnessed re PEBO's style, I think he is loathe to "swing for the fences" until he at least knows where the fences are. So he will be content to have staff at DOJ look into the info that he has had no access to before a game plan is developed - and before he shoots of his mouth.

By and large, DOJ investigations must not be cheered on by the POTUS. We have just barely survived eight years of West Wing inspired drama by a DOJ that in now without honor. Given a chance, I believe that the professionals at Justice would love to weigh in and right their ship.

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When do we stop making excuses for Obama and acknowledge that he's a good guy, but not a progressive, and a cautious politician rather than a bold leader? I mean, that was obvious to many of us all along, even if we supported him because the competition was slightly (primaries) or infinitely(general election) worse.

People who keep on thinking that one of these days he'll somehow turn into something he's manifestly not are setting themselves up for a long string of disappointments.

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Am I the only one who is happy that we have a president who only aspires to be competent?

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No, I'm very happy about that, while also being aware of his limitations. Those aren't mutually exclusive things.

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http://3bluedudes.com/

Another GOP Senator from a critical key state not seeking reelection. That is 4 retirements and one open seat (Texas)

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You ask for directions as to how to cope with our failed economy and the stimulus package. Here is one such explanation/suggestion:

Since the '70s supply side economics have allowed tax cuts for the very wealthy and increased spending with one goal in sight...to enrich the wealthy and multinational corporations.

The Reagan tax cuts on the very wealthy decreased government revenue while increased spending (along with deregulation) shove most of the wealth to billionaires and millionaires while making sure the government had no money to spend for entitlement programs and wella...here we are.

Suggestion: Roll back the Reagan and Bush tax cuts on the wealthy immediately to give the government revenue to help with the stimulus package. Bring back tariffs so it is just as expensive to outsource manufacturing jobs-import your product- and sell in America. The same is should be done with services industry...call account servicing on anything to India and pay and outsource tax thereby making it less expensive to have calling centers with all those jobs here in America than it is to outsource them to India etc.

Require all utility companies to begin switching to wind and solar energy immediately and to prepare systems for individual windmills and solar panels while setting up government energy industries to build, supply and set up personal windmills and (they now have them) portable solar panels. Mile after mile rebuild our infrastructure under government subsidy while also rebuilding our railway system.

This plan will increase government revenues while ensuring through tariffs and tax penalties that manufacturing and service industry jobs remain within America.

Begin a not for profit national healthcare system like expanding medicare will open numerous job opportunities while reducing healthcare costs.

A national education training program for domestic and international operation to not only rebuild our own infrastructure but train and aid other nation's people to do the same. This could also include medical training etc.

We've grown too big a country for allowing ourselves to be run by a few hundred extremely wealthy greedy people who care only for themselves and are incapable of regulating their own greed.

This should be our long term direction: If you can't define the terms then don't condemn them...Democratic Socialism...where the people agree to make government their responsibility and to make it efficient to the point that those who have need are met. Where we agree to work not only for our own benefit but for the benefit of everyone in the community as well. Where every citizen must at some point in their life do government service in some capacity. Otherwise we will evolve into class warfare like a modern day feudalism. My two cents...but at least it's a plan and not just a criticism.

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On Bush torture crimes AObama seems to be saying "If we don't do anything they will eventually forget all about it"

Only if it happens to his daughters will he be willing to listen...100yrs ago it easily could have and oh how he would have felt if someone stood up and said we should just forget it and look forward now (as the people leaving office who did it just laugh about how them neegras got theirs heh heh) and...not think about the rape and torture of the Obama children and what is left of them. How can Obama say no one is above the law if he allows Bush and Cheney to walk away bragging about being above the law.

The world is watching to see if we still abide by our laws equally or if we allow our leaders to act above the rule of law as if they were the ruling class and the law didn't apply to them. The world will know our hypocrisy or our integrity depending on if we hold the Bush administration accountable. The entire world knows he's guilty so we aren't fooling anyone with our rhetoric, Obama.

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WTF?!?*?

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Simple . . .

It's paradox wrapped in an enigma.

~OGD~

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