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Feinstein Explains Her Reticence* About Panetta Nomination

Just talked with Dianne Feinstein outside the Senate chamber about her qualms with the Leon Panetta nomination. The incoming Senate intelligence committee chairman said that both President-elect Obama and Vice President-elect Biden called her after the fact to discuss the surprise choice of Panetta, who has no direct intelligence agency experience and whose nomination came as unwelcome news to Feinstein when it broke yesterday.

"I understand their thinking" in choosing Panetta, Feinstein explained, describing herself as "very respectful of the president's authority ... this is the man [Obama has chosen]."

I asked Feinstein whether her reticence about Panetta's lack of ties to the CIA would be mitigated by having Steven Kappes, her preferred choice for CIA director, stay on as the agency's No 2. "I believe very strongly" that Kappes should stay, Feinstein said, adding that Panetta's standing would be "very much enhanced" were Kappes to stay his deputy.

Feinstein seemed to acknowledge the Obama team's desire to find a CIA director who would signal an end to the abusive interrogation tactics of the Bush years. "We all want a break with the past," she told the reporters milling around her in the Senate. "I was the one who went into the conference committee" between the House and the Senate last year with an amendment that would use the Army Field Manual as the universal standard for detainee interrogations, she added.

"I understand the administration's desire to cut clean and open a new chapter and I support that. Whether those changes can be made" with Panetta at the helm, she added, remains to be seen.

* Late Grammar Update: As two eagle-eyed readers have pointed out, "reticence" suggests an unwillingness to discuss an issue, which the senator from California certainly was not. The proper term is indeed "hesitance".


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No, it remains to be seen whether those changs can be made with the likes of YOU as Intelligence chair, Senator.

God, that woman makes me want to hurl.

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She comes up for re-election in 2012, though there's talk of her running for California Governor in 2010. I promise to do what I can to send her to the unemployment line when the time comes...

For Iraq...

For FISA...

For Alito/Roberts...

For AG Mukasey...

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Totally agree about Feinstein. Never could stand her. She happened to be in the right place at the right time (Moscone & Milk assassination) and ever since has triangulated a liberal social tokenism, with a conservative hawkish, banking/finance & taxes agenda. Guess which half of her politics actually becomes law. I consider her a Log Cabin Republican in many regards.

She could be worse for CA, but she could be a lot better too. Can't wait till she's out of office.

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the right time

Dan White's third crime--he couldn't pick another month.

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Yeah, we are all so impressed that you dug up a copy of the Army Field Manual and did some grandstanding with it....how'd that stunt end up? Oh yeah, it changed NOTHING.

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Hey, some good reporting here. Thanks!

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Agreed, Great Work on this story Ms. Schor!

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Yeah, no kidding. One day, or whatever, on the job? And in the middle of a Feinstein incident, she gets Feinstein. Impressive.

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Pull out the checkbook, Josh. It's bonus time.

Well done, Ms. Schor. Well done, indeed.

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Ditto all. Us TPM old-timers sometimes take it for granted that TPM reporter-bloggers are exactly that in that order: reporters first.

Good on ya, Elana - keep making those overpaid Villagers look bad.

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And I offer my congratulations to Elana too! Now, I am really looking forward to more news from Washington in the coming year.

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You're suggesting bonuses should be given as a reward for performance rather than just forked over as a supplement to regular salary regardless of what you do? What are you? Some kind of socialist?

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You're suggesting bonuses should be given as a reward for performance rather than just forked over as a supplement to regular salary regardless of what you do? What are you? Some kind of socialist?

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I swear I only posted this once.

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Now, if she managed to plant a listening device onto Feinsteins pantsuit, and caught her in the act of making love with Mitch McConnell I'd consider it excellent reporting.

But as it stands, I also concur, good reporting!

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lol. impossible. It's well known they keep a metal detector by the bed, and use the TSA operating manual for foreplay.

But, yes, great reporting. Another scoop for TPM.

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You might consider it good reporting, but what would Larry Craig and others have to say? How could Mitch explain?

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DiFi and the Chinless Wonder? Ewwwwwww.

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""I was the one who went into the conference committee" between the House and the Senate last year with an amendment that would use the Army Field Manual as the universal standard for detainee interrogations, she added."

She's already backed oof of that in favor of continuing to allow the CIA to torture.

Glenn Greenwald had a recent post on this.

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GG has become really erratic. He's developed Christopher Hitchens syndrome, sounds high half the time. I can't read him anymore.

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sounds high half the time

And that's a problem because...?


(ed. note:Hitchens' problem: What he says, not his inner state when he says it...)

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Hitchens is rumored to be a pretty serious alcoholic. If you've ever seen an MRI of a long time alcoholic, it's anything but harmless.

Whether that's true or not his writing is increasingly incoherent and scattered.
He's often contrarian and shocking for the sake of it, working himself into a lather.

GG is going the same way.

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serious alcoholic

Alcohol, is it?

My misunderstanding....carry on.

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She is petrified of being hi-lighted as the collaborator she is/was with bushco.

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And Obama should make sure she understands that SHE WILL BE highlighted if she makes trouble for Panetta. We all know he knows how to play hardball when he wants to. Chicago rules, baby!

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Well, Rahm may sink his pearly whites into DiFi's hammy peckled calf (my fervent wish)--or she may have ways of dealing with him that we don't know. I look to see what Obama's COS does. If he kid-gloves her, then she's got something on him.

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As one of the many self-aggrandizing Dem Bush enablers, you bet she wants "...a break with the past". That way she won't be held accountable.

She a scoundrel.

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DiFi = Ted Stevens in drag.


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DiFi = Ted Stevens in drag.


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Feinstein, a Bush enabler, a torture enabler--she has no credibility.

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Another brilliant move by Camp Obama: appoint a CIA chief with clean hands, his own Washington power base, and bottomless loyalty to O., and give Dianne F. a ringy-dingy after the fact to say "sorry" and remind her who's gonna run national intelligence.

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Agreed. Feinstein and Rockefeller may have gotten their noses a little out of joint, but their pathetic performance in the way of intelligence oversight in the last 8 years gives them no moral authority in this area. It's no wonder they want to keep Kappes around -- they're probably hoping he can keep the bodies buried.

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That was a lovely way to put it.

My question is why do we use the Army Field Manual when we have a Geneva Convention. The Convention is a signed treaty with carrying Congressional weight. The AFM is kind of like the Corporate handbook for the military. A privitized expression of what the military wishes the laws would state.

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Any treaty has to have laws & procedures to implement it. Just having the Constitution is not sufficient to run the USA. So the AFM's section on interrogation et al is there to codify our notion of what the Geneva Conventions means for day to day actions.

You certainly don't have to take it on face value that the AFM actually does comply with The Geneva Conventions tho.

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Exactly. "oops!"

Hope Obama makes many such "mistakes" in the future and treats DiFi and Rockefeller as they deserve, as relics from a bygone era.

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She is awful.

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Feinstein might have sided with Bush, but she wouldn't DARE to side with the Republicans against Obama. And he knows it. This might be Obama's way of letting her know there's a new sheriff in town.

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Feinstein's comment to the media was a shot across the bow to the Obama camp. She doesn't like having a CIA Director with external sources of power outside herself.

Panetta is going to be Obama's man, not DiFi's.

It's not so clear what Rockefeller's objection is, except that if DiFi has less power over the CIA and Panetta turns up an unfavorable explanation why Jay has repeatedly rolled over for the Bush administration, Panetta is less likely to be intimidated to bury it.

Those are my guesses.

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I presume we all remember Kyle Foggo and his problems? There is an additional need to reduce contract CIA employees.

Panetta is management and budget, Kappes can be intelligence until Panetta learns the ropes.

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Sounds like Feinstein is softening her opposition. Sounds like Kappes will be staying as #2.

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Feinstein's comment to the media was a shot across the bow to the Obama camp. She doesn't like having a CIA Director with external sources of power outside herself.

Panetta is going to be Obama's man, not DiFi's.

It's not so clear what Rockefeller's objection is, except that if DiFi has less power over the CIA and Panetta turns up an unfavorable explanation why Jay has repeatedly rolled over for the Bush administration, Panetta is less likely to be intimidated to bury it.

Those are my guesses.

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How funny is it that Obama had DiFi run his inauguration but didn't listen to her input on the CIA director even though she's the Intel Chair.

I'd say pretty funny.

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It seems like what is already becoming classic Obama. I will let you make arrangements to display how important I am, sending a subliminal message, that she is not as important. The man, BHO, is playing chess.

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So she is like the head of the prom committee for the inauguration?

That is FUNNY! WTF!???

Can she handle it without selling out her country? I mean, that is a heady responsibility. . .

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Feinstein's comment to the media was a shot across the bow to the Obama camp. She doesn't like having a CIA Director with external sources of power outside herself.

Panetta is going to be Obama's man, not DiFi's.

It's not so clear what Rockefeller's objection is, except that if DiFi has less power over the CIA and Panetta turns up an unfavorable explanation why Jay has repeatedly rolled over for the Bush administration, Panetta is less likely to be intimidated to bury it.

Those are my guesses.

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Feinstein and Rockefeller got the message; Bush enablers are NOT part of the Change.

By the way, Feinstein was one of Mukasey's champions at the confirmation.

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I live in California and Feinstein is my senator. I've gotten tired of emailing her to ask, "why are you acting like a Republican?" Is there a chance now that she'll suddenly remember she's a Democrat? Maybe Obama can remind her.

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I have emailed her so many times. She is worthless and ignores her constituents.

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As one of her constituents as well DiFi has ignored my phone calls, letters and emails so with such cavalier disregard that I thought she must be an ex-girlfriend.

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That's why I telephone her office. I might get put on hold for twenty minutes, but in the end, I have the name of the person who took my call and the knowledge that my message WAS delivered to an actual living person. That way, I KNOW, rather than merely suspect, that my feelings on a particular matter were ignored.

It's time to start grooming her successor for 2012. She is no longer a viable candidate.

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Since the DINO creed is "Go along to get along" DiFink may move slightly to the middle, though in her heart of hearts she's a RePuke.

I too fax'd/emailed DiFink 'til I gave up in disgust.

God, three worthless Committee chairs in a row for one of the most important committees in the Senate, say like Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Oh shit!

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Feinstein's comment to the media was a shot across the bow to the Obama camp. She doesn't like having a CIA Director with external sources of power outside herself.

Panetta is going to be Obama's man, not DiFi's.

It's not so clear what Rockefeller's objection is, except that if DiFi has less power over the CIA and Panetta turns up an unfavorable explanation why Jay has repeatedly rolled over for the Bush administration, Panetta is less likely to be intimidated to bury it.

Those are my guesses.

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Feinstein is a war profiteer and she wants a pro-torture guy at the top of the chain.

Don't back down on this O!

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Feinstein's comment to the media was a shot across the bow to the Obama camp. She doesn't like having a CIA Director with external sources of power outside herself.

Panetta is going to be Obama's man, not DiFi's.

It's not so clear what Rockefeller's objection is, except that if DiFi has less power over the CIA and Panetta turns up an unfavorable explanation why Jay has repeatedly rolled over for the Bush administration, Panetta is less likely to be intimidated to bury it.

Those are my guesses.

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a shot across the bow to the Obama camp

Do you think she sees herself as that sort of an independent power center? I know she was a hard-core Gang of 14 shtarker but who really gives a shit about her?

Or do I misconstrue what you consider to have been a brief show of teeth to enforce some sort of disclosure detante vis-a-vis her prior perfidies?

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Feinstein is a caricature of her former self. I supported her years ago, but no longer. She has been absolute horrible for quite a while now. If she is not pleased with Panetta, that means Obama has made an excellent pick.

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Exactly. She'd never rise up in today's environment becasue her politics are a couple decades out of phase.

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Could you post that again, Richardxx? Didn't catch it the first three times.

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It's not him, it's the site doing it. Take a look at other 'seemingly' double posts.

Bush/Cheney -Nuremburg '09

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Elana, as a long-time reader of TPM I look forward to your contributions. But please, please, don't use 'reticence' when you mean 'reluctance', 'disinclination', 'hesitancy' or 'indisposition'.

'Reticence' describes an unwillingness to communicate or discuss.

Cheers!

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I asked Feinstein whether her reticence about Panetta's lack of ties to the CIA...
Yes, reticence is the last thing that Feinstein has shown. She should learn to keep her yap shut. But I don't really care for any of Eggy's alternatives. What I think you mean is Feinstein's concern/qualms about or objections to Panetta.
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I think the best word to describe Feinstein's attitude would be "reservations."

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Feinstein, along with Rockefeller, voted for the Iraq War Resolution in 2002. Wyder voted against this resolution.

This should be enough to clarify who fired what shots about what issues. If Feinstein wants to make this an issue, I am convinced that the California voters will be more ticked with her than with Obama. There's no reason to care about Rockefeller since WVa is a Republican state.

These are the brutal facts that some of our "highly regarded" Democratic senators manage to forget.

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Republican Lite DiFi is in the "good ol' boys club' so it's time to man up and quit whining because she wasn't consulted. Where is it chiseled in stone she has to be. I find it interesting Feingold and Wyden were. Guess who were opposed to torture, warrantless wiretapping and Guantanamo? It sure as hell wasn't DiFi! Let her take her toys and go home. She is a committee chair not POTUS! If she is that cranky take the chairmanship away and give it to Feingold. At least he would know what to do with it. She is another Mukasey enabler, just like Schumer.

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Feinstein's record on committee (like Rockefeller's)
ill equips her (or him) to be critical of the Panetta appointment.

Panetta is there to reform the laxness and flexible standards of the CIA. He is an outstanding manager and will do an excellent job.

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I find it interesting that TODAY, January 6, 2009, I got a reply to an email I sent Feinstein sometime last year (I email my senator a lot) about ending U.S. torture. It promotes her Army Field Manual proposal of last August.

She really wants that out there today. Gotta ask myself, what did she sign off on that she wants forgotten?

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Well at least the Feinstein pile-on here is more civil than the obscene, childish rants on DKos.

But remember folks, Feinstein led the fight against John Roberts' confirmation as SC Chief Justice while Feingold, Lieberman, Leahy and many other Dems voted to confirm him (Google 'Roberts confirmation vote' for complete list). She's far from perfect, but hardly a right-wing Bush clone. In fact, a look at Obama's cabinet would indicate she'd fit right in with his administration.

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Ya think? Feinstein's more than willing to roil the waters to preserve her own sense of authority and importance, but where was her voice in opposition to expanded executive powers, illegal wiretapping, and torture? Please. She'll take on Obama to protect her own privilege, but when it comes to civil liberties, she cares more about telecomm profits and access to power than about human beings and the rule of law.

The woman sickens me.

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Di stop your whining there will be no more illegal tactics and broken laws so get over it

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DiFi is the incoming intelligence chairwoman. She had no problem voting for pro-torture Bush appointees. She is clearly posturing to show that she can keep the Obama administration in its place. Well, it don't work.

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Can Bush give Frankestein an extraordinary rendition before he leaves office?

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I love it! Screwing w an incoming Democratic president, elected by an clear majority. Feinstein just wrote her political obituary. Bu-bye Di-Di! I hope you end up in the clink w the rest of the Bushies.

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Where is an anvil dropping out of the sky when you need one?

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Perhaps Senator Feinstein is afraid of getting caught out for all the dubious data mining she's approved.

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In what is probably a move designed to express her dismay at being ignored in the Panetta matter, Feinstein has now come out in favor of seating Burris. Act out much, Senator?

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SF female billionaire that sides with the opposition far too often, will head up the intelligence committee. Didn't Pelosi dump Jane Harmon for being exactly the same person? But, of course, Pelosi is a SF female billionaire herself! Go figure!

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Oh so important to remember that Mr. Obama always - ALWAYS - plays the long game. Feingold approves of Panetta, Feinstein disapproves. Compare the two on issues of intelligence and national security. How might Team Obama, then, be shaping the future of Congressional oversight and management of intelligence? Just how much power does a Senate committee chair have in the face of the Obama juggernaut? How does Feinstein's kvetching compare to the measured, precise moves of Mr. Obama? What long term effects on the meta-narrative will this 'little' scuffle engender? Butterfly effect, ladies and gentlemen, butterfly effect. She's being backed into a corner with two doors: double down and disappear, or adjust to the diminished reality of her position and "get along." Couldn't happen to a nicer gal.

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