A (Slightly Incendiary) Question For Readers: Deja Vu?
Here's a question that, quite literally, kept me awake last night.
Before acceding to Barack Obama's request for another $350 billion of financial bailout money, the House is set to take up a bill from Financial Services Committee chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) that would require some cash to be spent on foreclosure aid and set limits on executive compensation. But Frank's counterpart in the Senate, Banking Committee chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT), has suggested that yesterday's non-specific letter from Obama adviser Larry Summers might be enough to convince him that the incoming administration plans to spend the taxpayers' money more wisely.
And even Frank (before HuffPo reported it) has already shown his unquestioning faith in the Obama team. Here's what he said Friday while introducing his own bill to provide oversight of the second $350 billion:
[II]t doesn't have to be enacted. It would be helpful if it was. But if the bill passes the House with a large majority, and we have smart and cooperative people in this administration, I'm willing to accept their word that they will act as if it were the law.
Now to my question. How would progressives react if these were Republican lawmakers agreeing to take the word of John McCain -- or any Republican president succeeding George W. Bush? Would the response be universal alarm at Congress failing to exert even minimal oversight powers? Remember how much agita this remark caused?
Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like ... I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.
That was Hillary Clinton in October 2002, before the vote to authorize the Iraq war.















If this is his view, I refuse to vote for Frank in the 2016 presidential primary.
January 13, 2009 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think they are entirely different situations. Certainly I'd like to see it written into law, that is always best, however Obama is no McCain, and certainly no Bush. He hasn't given anyone any reason thus far to suspect he would fail to put the money to best use, or at least to the use he said he would. I would really be shocked if he broke a promise to the Dems in Congress. I just don't see that happening.
Having said that, there is of course this, if by some chance I'm proven wrong:
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
January 13, 2009 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're missing the point. I don't want my money dependent upon the whims of the man in charge. Today it's Obama, tomorrow it's Fail'n Palin. If you have laws, AND YOU ENFORCE THE RULE OF LAW, you don't have to worry about the "good deeds" of the people with power.
January 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch!!!!!!
January 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree. Why rely on someone's interpretation of what has been agreed when you can spell it out. Opinions change, situations and interpretations change. It's better to spell it out.
Besides, the way to keep an administration from having too much power is by not giving them that power.
January 13, 2009 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well I'm not saying this should be how it is with every president, but if you haven't noticed Palin isn't president, it is Obama, and it isn't like they are putting into law some kind of huge expansion of executive power that will stretch beyond Obama (or even beyond TARP), so I think you are overreacting.
Like I said, written into law is the best way to go, but I don't think there is going to be much harm in trusting Obama to do the right thing on this one.
January 13, 2009 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I guess Congress should forgo on legislation (since we all trust Obama; and a Repub congress trusts a Repub president) and accept letters from the administration about how they are going to do everything. Saves everyone time and effort passing legislation.
January 13, 2009 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
i always said citizens are going to have to be willing to clean out some of these old dems also. i continue to say, the baby boomer generation is the worst generation in managing this great nation.
its time to make change and that means in our elected officials also
January 13, 2009 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here! Here!
January 13, 2009 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a boomer, let me say... F**k you.
January 13, 2009 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Progressives would be livid, but this isn't the Iraq war ( not to say that the bill isn't important, but still). I'm sure Obama knows that he can't break his promises on this deal with Barney Frank. It would be really stupid to lose the trust of your biggest allies in Congress. I would think any politician would know that. Hey, if I know it they should know it. I don't think this is unquestioning faith. Barney Frank doesn't seem like the type to not ask why he should hand this over to Obama.
January 13, 2009 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree- the baby boomers cannot be trusted. GenX to the rescue!
January 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm? For some reason replacing boomers with GenXer's doesn't put me at ease.
January 13, 2009 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Then how about GenY? I think we need a president who can also rock the Wii. Just sayin'.
January 13, 2009 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
meh. GenX or GenY, their mentors will be the Baby Boomers.
January 13, 2009 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's appalling. Obama needs to be held to the standard that any President should be held to by Congress -- and that means not just taking him at his word that he'll do everything right. Just ridiculous of Frank and Dodd.
January 13, 2009 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
So basically, you're worried that as we plunge into the worst economic crisis since 1929, with two ongoing wars and an outgoing administration busily building an unprecedented series of bureaucratic roadblocks to action by the new one, a Democratic Congress is signalling that it will initially give a new Democratic president the same leeway and benefit of the doubt we always give new presidents and always give even old presidents in a crisis?
You're thinking that at this moment in history, Congress should, instead, be acting preemptively on the assumption that Obama is going to be as arrogantly stupid, high-handed, reckless, feckless, petty, small-minded, and utterly lawless as Bush's administration was? Tie his hands now based upon the unprecedented misconduct of his predecessor and then force him to prove he's worthy before they loosen the bonds? Maybe provoke a good old intra-party civil war and a consitutional crisis right here at the git-go?
That's what's keeping you awake at night?
January 13, 2009 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where do you get the idea that oversight is unprecedented? I think you're putting up a straw man here -- the idea that the only two choices are saying "we trust you" and having Congress spell out every detail. In fact, there's plenty of middle ground that is better than either one.
January 13, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say oversight was unprecedented. I said the Bush administration's wrongdoing was unprecedented. I just don't think a president whose campaign was, in no small part, a campaign against that wrongdoing should be treated like we should have (but didn't) treat the wrongdoer.
It's like you guys are saying the cops should subject a guy who just moved into a house to 24/7 surveillance because the last tenant was a criminal, even though the new occupant has the last guy evicted for for being a criminal.
January 13, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, sorry, I misread.
Still, I'm not saying that Congress should treat the Obama administration the way they should have treated the Bush administration. I'm just saying that they should treat them the same way they should treat any normal administration. Putting together one of the largest spending programs in history without enforceable oversight is a really bad idea in any administration, no matter how much I like Obama and think he'll do a good job.
January 13, 2009 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, we must have proof that things are going where they need to be going. Just their word isn't good enough, even for Obama. To borrow a phrase "show me the money!"
And besides, there are enough bad actors left over from the Shrub admin all over the place that we need some evidence they won't pervert the process too. And lastly, some of this money will be going to companies that have not exactly earned our trust, so they need oversight too.
In short, keep tabs on where every dollar goes or don't give out MY money.
January 13, 2009 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some of these bad actors are in Congress. As far as I can tell, some Republicans would like most of all to thwart our new president in all aspects, as long as they are not too public.
You want to give these legislators a chance to delay, obfuscate, and micromanage Obama's chance to start clearing up bad mortgages as soon as possible? Obama and Summers have given their promises. If they break their promises then we are lost anyway.
Bush has proven himself to be a liar. There's no reason ever to trust him. But if our new president is not trustworthy, at least initially, then the worst crisis this country has seen in many many decades will win out. The people won't follow a president who's broken his trust.
January 13, 2009 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Beyond that, we have to break the cycle of the last thirty five years whereby Democratic presidents are crucified for the sins of Republican predecessors and Republican presidents get a great big pass because of the suffering of their Democratic predecessor.
Carter spent his whole term being kicked around by a Democratic Congress for the sins of Richard Nixon. Reagan got a great big sloppy wet kiss from a Democratic Congress because they realized their obstructive and intrusive conduct under Carter had had negative consequences for the nation. They were rewarded by the loss of their Senate majority.
Clinton spent his first year struggling with an obdurate, obstructive Democratic Congress after a bitter primary left many of them feeling like they didn't owe him a chance and many more feeling leery of this young, non-Villager from a poverty stricken backwater who'd moved into their neighborhood. They were again rewarded with a lost majority in the next midterms and their Republican successors proceeded to tear the nation apart with endless investigations of nothing and crowned their folly by impeaching him for lying about an extramarital hummer.
With the country yearning for a break from the strife and the genreally unclean feeling left by the Clinton impreachment experience, they then proceeded to give Bush 43 a free pass on an unprecedented torrent of malfeasance, misfeasance, constitutional transgressions and oughtright lawlessness of such a scope and magnitude that the viability of the Republic itself was threatened. When the Democrats regained their majority, they still withheld impeachment because, rightly or wrongly, they quailed at the thought of the slippery slope implicit in the impeachment of two presidents in a row.
So now we're upset because Congressional Democrats have decided they want to break this cycle--one which seems invariably to result in their loss of their own majority? We're upset because they are failing to once again punish a new Democratic president for the sins of a Republican predecessor?
Seems to me that that's one of the ways of Washington that was most in need of changing.
January 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
As Progressives, we must reaffirm that we are a country of laws, not men.
We are not looking for a dictator, no matter how benevolent.
Oversight of the purse is one of congress' roles, and we should expect, nay demand, that they carry it out.
January 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, no half-measures. Let's go ahead and appoint a special prosecutor now. Maybe Brad Schotzman is availible.
January 13, 2009 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trust!
But verify!
January 13, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, as our economy is crashing down around us, we need speed more than perfection. We simply need Congress to move as quickly as possible. So what if CEO's made out like bandits (as usual)? That's a concern, but is it really the most important thing right now?
Furthermore, we have just suffered under the worst president - and the worst presidential administration - in U.S. history. That makes us gun-shy, I'm sure. We don't ever want the same thing to happen, so we don't ever want to 'trust' another president. But that's an error. We are over-reacting. Trust is necessary, it really is.
Let's not lose our sense, just because we've been burned so badly by Bush. A cat won't jump on a hot stove a second time, but it won't jump on a cold one, either. Let's try to be rational and reasonable, and avoid knee-jerk reactions.
January 13, 2009 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Progressives need to moderate this reflexive distrust of government. Y'all sound like a bunch of freakin libertarians.
Right now we need bold, decisive, and creative action out of our government. We worked hard to elect Obama and now we need to give him a chance to do what he promised.
January 13, 2009 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he does what he promised, he should have no issue with congress monitoring the progress. After all, one of the things he promised was 'Open Government'.
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=38629&ref=rellink
January 13, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't find it incendiary at all; this was pretty much my reaction. I don't want Congress to specify how all the money is to be spent, but I do want them to install more enforceable oversight mechanisms. At minimum, they should have had enough oversight that when Paulson said "we won't tell you how the money was spent, or who we hired to manage it, or what their conflicts of interest are, or..." they could say "yes, you will." I expect that these mechanisms will be unnecessary in an Obama administration, but that's no reason not to have them. Hope is not a plan.
January 13, 2009 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone needs to make a bumper sticker.
January 13, 2009 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, as our economy is crashing down around us, we need speed more than perfection. We simply need Congress to move as quickly as possible.
So far, the result of "Congress moving as quickly as possible" has been that $350 billion has been largely wasted, and more important, four months has been wasted from the time when we were told that Congress couldn't take more than a week to decide. Emphasizing speed above all else didn't get us speedy effective action, just speedy action.
I'm not looking for perfection, but having Congress throw everything out the window in the interests of speed got us crap. This isn't about the pursuit of perfection, it's about getting something that actually works, rather than being stampeded. I fully expect that the Obama administration will do a good job with this, but it's still not a bad thing for Congress to wake up from its Bush-panicked state and do its part, too.
January 13, 2009 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink