The Worst Ballot Challenge Of All
Looking back over today's meeting of the Minnesota state canvassing board, it's become painfully clear that Norm Coleman's big problem is that his ballot challenges are made up almost entirely of brazenly frivolous attempts to get votes for Al Franken thrown out. During the recount proper, that puffed up his apparent lead.
But now we're at the point where all those challenges are resolved -- in other words, he can't hide behind these tricks anymore. To be fair, Franken had his share of hopeless tries to toss Coleman votes, but it was nowhere near this bad.
This one might just be the worst of all. The Coleman campaign tried to get a vote for Franken thrown out because the voter had written on the ballot. What'd they write?
Thank you for counting my vote!
Is there anything more that needs to be said?















What a crazy election there in MN. Talk about a roller coaster.
Personally, I don't have much of an opinion of Franken. My reasons for wanting him to win are to help Obama pass his agendas through the Senate and make Sean Hannity's head pop off.
December 18, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want to hear Bill O'Reilly have to say. "Senator Al Franken."
Over and over again.
December 18, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trust me, he won't. If Franken wins he's still keep up that Stuart Smalley bullshit.
December 18, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the time this is over, O'Reilly will be laying somewhere in a straight-jacket, repeating Stuart Smalley's self affirmation pledge obsessively.
"I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!"
And he'll be wrong on all counts.
December 18, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS; Isn't Murdoch giving O'Reilly's slot to Giuliani? That will surely hasten Billo's descent into that padded cell, where he'll forever repeat Stuart's pledge.
Maybe if we are all lucky, someone will give the poor guy his belt back. Or a sharp instrument again.
December 19, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
You must be Santa for that is also my Christmas wish.
December 19, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
You must be Santa for that is also my Christmas wish.
December 19, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Personally, I don't have much of an opinion of Franken."
You must never have seen Al Franken reporting from Iraq live via satellite during the first Iraq war while suffering from dehydration and exposure and having to fend off vultures while trying to remain conscious..........
A REAL American Hero.
December 18, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for posting this. I was going to comment along the same lines. Al is so much more than an entertainer, he is very bright, incredibly insightful on current issues and has his heart in the right place. He would be a great asset to the Senate.
December 19, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe he was referring to an SNL bit Al did back in the day.
December 19, 2008 7:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Franken has been to Iraq several times doing USO tours, something he's always done, so I am not quite sure what your talking about. Maybe you aren't either.
December 19, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm talking about the first Gulf War, Desert Shield/Storm. On SNL's Weekend Update they would go to Al Franken "live" in the desert sunburned and dehydrated with buzzards circling him. It was funny, but not so much when you have to explain it.
Thanks for the self-righteous indignation though. That's always nice.
December 19, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Must have been on TV after his bedtime.
December 19, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want to hear Bill O'Reilly have to say. "Senator Al Franken."
Over and over again.
December 18, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a sweet thought!
December 19, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Matt Taibbi's most recent article about this race is hilarious:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/24603798/the_last_recount
December 19, 2008 3:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for that link. nice article
December 19, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
A retarded frog could have beaten Coleman by 5 points.
This is embarrassing.
December 18, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Franken was a weaker candidate than anyone expected. There's no good reason a Democrat running on Obama's coatails in a Democratic state like MN should be coming out with a draw like this.
December 19, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
The third candidate really contributed to this mess. As for Minnesota, how the hell could anyone buy Norm Coleman's bullshit? I love that state, but really, WTF?
December 19, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are several reasons
1) Norm is not an idiot. He packages his wingnutery in a nice moderate box. Norm manages to convince people that don't pay attention to how he actually votes, that he's all about good government and bi-partisanship. Some people don't see that he's being ironic.
2) Ventura Fatigue. People don't wanna go there again. Franken = Entertainer. Entertainer = Danger.
3) Franken's Tax issues (minor) prevented him from contracsting his ethics with those of Quimby's.
4) It was a very very negative campaign - unlike anything ever seen before in Minnesota. There was a real "to hell with both of them" attitude as the undervote for senate shows.
I hope he pulls this out. Looking good today.
December 19, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dean Barkley was another reason.
And while we are generally left leaning we have a large and growing wing-nut Christian faction in our state. Michelle Bachman's constituency.
December 19, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
correct.
and: MN is much more purple than some of these folks seem to comprehend.
December 19, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
MISSING SOMETHING HUGE
There are approximately 5000 ballots that were challenged but had their challenges withdrawn. Those votes have not been counted yet and are not part of the board's review of challenged ballots that will be over Friday. The withdrawn challenge votes won't be hard to count because they go revert back to the original decisions made by the local boards. The Star-Tribune could have counted them, except Coleman keeps adding challenges and withdrawing them, so it impossible to get the full account of which ballots are which. Some withdrawn challenged ballots were counted with still challenged ballots today, to make things more confusing.
Anyway, it isn't going to be over tomorrow unless they have staff counting all the withdrawn challenge ballots.
December 18, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
About the vote totals
Star Tribune
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/36235224.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciaec8O7EyUsl
December 18, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
current ballot challenge has franken by 40. tomorrow's canvass board is likely to only subtract from franken.
unless pile 5 votes get counted this thing is a coin flip.
December 19, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you have that backwards, they only have the rest of Coleman's pile, so they mostly go to Franken.
December 19, 2008 7:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
i'd be happy to be wrong, but i think there are about 5000 ballots that were challenged and so many vote totals were subtracted from. Then the challenge was withdrawn. The only ones that I see that have been added back in some way are the coleman challenges that they dropped the challenge too late to withdrawl them from the board's list.
From what I can see, there are about 5000 votes that will be added back in sometime, but it isn't clear how many are for each candidate right now.
I think this thing is alot closer than is being advertised here.
December 19, 2008 8:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is mostly backwards. They are finishing the Coleman challenges today which have been breaking for Franken by about 85%. There are something like 400 of them left. Franken should have at least a double digit lead at the end of the day.
Then there are the withdrawn challenges. What people are saying on the live bloging website is that the quality of the withdrawn challenges is likely to be lower than those not withdrawn, and so are unlikely to move many votes either way.
You can watch the actual recount here along with liveblogging:
http://theuptake.org/
December 19, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's unbelievable...
P.S. Only one "s" in Just Deserts.
December 18, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Depends -
if he means a sweet something as a final course in a meal then it's "dessert"
If it's a hot, dry, sandy landscape or to leave without intention of returning then it's "desert"
December 19, 2008 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to be pedantic but actually it doesn't:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-just-deserts-mean.htm
December 19, 2008 1:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
...but what if you're skipping dinner and having "just dessert"...or was it diner?
December 19, 2008 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I didn't know that! Thanks for the info - I'd always wondered about that phrase (cake didn't really make contextual sense).
December 19, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just deserts over there in Iraq. Just desserts on the menu there in Minnesota.
December 19, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Challenging that ballot is an affront to polite society.
December 19, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Slimy Norman is an affront to humanity.
December 19, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
ok, assume franken wins by double digits.
coleman will sue to stop the election from being certified? (my guess: estimated double counted votes > vote differential will be the first claim)
will the pile 5 votes get counted?
will MN have a senator? who? when?
December 19, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think some in here may be being
unfair to Franken the candidate:
Minnesota hasn't forgotten being a
national laughingstock re. the Jesse
Ventura fiasco.
So I think there was wariness re. another
celebrity...and Franken clearly is one; his public
strengths were, I think, largely liabilities
at this time, in this place.
When I first read "Rush Limbaugh is a Big
Fat Idiot" in 1996, I was stunned at how
thoughtful and eloquent Franken was
(though, of course, with a wicked wit).
It made me read his other books, and damned,
Mr. Harvard is smart as Hell...and unapologetic
about his beliefs. I've thought for a decade that
he could be a great spokesperson for the
Dems. Those who haven't read his books, though,
(and that would be MOST Minn. voters)
probably assumed he was as empty a suit as
the actors that the Republicans routinely elect.
If they DID elect him in November, they'll soon
find out that his humor is just the tip of the iceberg...
the marketable side of his deeply held values.
December 19, 2008 2:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
the court decision of having the campaigns agree on each ballot is insane. Franken has already identified at least 250 voters. What is to keep both campaigns from investigating each voter against a party id list say or calling them and asking how they voted then deciding to count the vote or not?
December 19, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
This one wins the irony award!!! Congrats to the Coleman camp.
December 19, 2008 6:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aside from the recount itself I find those who wrote in ridiculous names on ballots to be pretty disgraceful; that is if some sort of disability is not the cause.
Democracy is serious business, and I wonder how many residents of the state of Florida have thought to themselves over the past eight years if only I had gone out and voted in 2000.
December 19, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Democracy is serious business
and that's why people should vote according to your particular tastes.
December 19, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope "tastes" doesn't mean the "Spaghetti Monster"...if so I must vote my conscience next time for Elmo
December 19, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
For a little humor on this: We were at a pub quiz night Thursday evening at Sven & Ole's Pizza in Grand Marais, MN. One of the questions was: Name the Minnesota state fruit. From one table came the audible reply: "Al Franken." From another table came the rejoinder, from someone obviously quite up to date on the recount: "That'd be SENATOR Al Franken to you."
December 19, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Court tried to punt, knowing that the biggest criticism of the SCOTUS was they decided who the POTUS would be and not the voters or the process. As for ridiculous challenges their point was to try to get time and measure the process for later appeals---typical lawyer'g when highly paid mechanics are faced with the cliff that they are against the law or the evidence.
What appears is that Franken is down to a handful of officially counted and sanctioned votes with another 400-500 contested votes remaining. The Star-Tribune projects Franken getting a lead of 90 by the end of the day---which makes things problematic for Coleman's camp. If that is the number it is outside the range of 46 that Franken was awarded from the missing 133 vote envelope.
Therefore his only chance is to work at those absentee ballots he tried to get rejected in mass~~~but then they will try to carve out his precincts versus contest Frankens~~~problem is Franken can do the same, so they return to the Canvass Board to deal with the disputes and back in the process where the MN authority actually resides.
If indeed the various counties had various incompetency....like with my wife where they spelled her last name with an extra letter or other non voter mistakes even mistakenly putting envelopes in the wrong pile....the process emerge.
Here is the problem when Franken emerges will Coleman eventually concede? As for the respective attributes of Franken or Coleman it is immaterial as the most important thing right now is to insure the public's will be expressed and the process no matter how imperfect versus people's impatience and desired end result be allowed to finish.
Last note: If I were in MN, I would find out if my absentee ballot was in that pile of 1600 and it actually is my damage and file suit to ensure that it is counted.
December 19, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Regardless of the out come this re-count has shown that our voting system here in Minnesota, we use optical scan machines. Is pretty damn accurate. Over 4 million scanned votes and there have been less than a few hundred vote difference. That ain't bad.
December 19, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to be too grumpy-old-man, but: People, just don't write stuff on your ballot!!
December 19, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink