Minnesota Recount Almost Over -- But Coleman Could Keep A Franken Win Bottled Up For Weeks

Assuming Franken emerges as the recount winner at Monday's meeting of the state canvassing board, what happens next?
The Coleman campaign has publicly guaranteed that they will file an election contest, challenging the result in court. That would be a key development because Minnesota law actually prevents the issuing of a certificate of election to the winner until a contest proceeding is settled (unlike other states that will certify a win, and then allow the loser to pursue legal challenges if they want).
The bottom line here is that even if Coleman ultimately loses the recount plus the formal court contest, he could be able to drag out the seating of Franken for quite some time, well beyond next week's swearing of the 111th Congress.
The contest will be filed in state courts, but due to the presence of various constitutional questions like equal protection and the fact that this is a race for a federal office, it could conceivably go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Coleman would be the plaintiff and the burden of proof would be on him -- Franken would not have to prove that he won, Coleman would have to demonstrate that he was robbed. And the Franken campaign would have full legal standing to come in and dispute any claims Coleman is making.
Minnesota will probably be left with only one Senator for a little while. Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty's office has explored the option of appointing an interim Senator to ensure that the state has full representation, but their current position is that he wouldn't be legally able to do it. Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar has floated the idea of the Senate provisionally seating the winner next week, pending the completion of the litigation. But Sen. John Cornyn, the head of the Senate GOP's campaign committee, has signaled that Republicans will block any such effort, and the fact is they have enough seats to filibuster it.
Secondarily, does Coleman have a realistic chance of winning an election contest? Probably not.
The Coleman campaign would pursue this on a few legal questions they've been setting up: The allegation that some absentee ballots for Franken in 25 selected precincts were double-counted; a selective counting of wrongly-rejected absentee ballots out of a statewide pool that is believed to favor Franken overall; and the Coleman campaign's latest attacks that the state election officials are in the tank for Franken.
All of these are long shots to various extents, and in order to win Coleman would need to sweep every last argument, denying Franken a favorable resolution on any single thing. That is highly unlikely to happen. But it sure could take a while to sort everything out.















The Senate seats in limbo for possibly weeks (Illinois, Minnesota).
December 31, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems like only yesterday that the rightwing blowhards were ripping into Franken for trying to overturn a valid election result through the courts.
Where's your outrage now, Sean Hannity?
December 31, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
IOKIYAR
December 31, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
How 'bout Norm (NORM!)'s suggestion that Frankin concede and not checkmate the will of the people by abusing the courts? The argument doesn't sound so good from the other side does it Normie?
December 31, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Norm's a republican. Rules only matter if you are not a republican.
December 31, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could the Dems just refuse to seat any Republican who won re-election this November until the Minnesota seat is settled?
December 31, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
how are senators admitted?
is that something that can really be filibustered?
December 31, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. There would have to be some election dispute or irregularity, or some problem with the required credentials (age, citizenship). The Senate cannot just arbitrarily refuse to seat a properly elected and qualified candidate.
December 31, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, as we see, a dispute can always be manufactured.
December 31, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, as we see, a dispute can always be manufactured.
December 31, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could Dems just refuse to seat any Republican? That'd make things a whole lot easier and more productive.
January 1, 2009 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good idea... I like it. Put Franken's name up first... if the Repubs filibuster, then the process stops and nobody's election gets certified. Or (God help you, Harry, get some cojones for this one) : just let the Repubs know that the Dems are going to selectively filibuster any Repub names that come up. My goodness, two can play at this game!
January 1, 2009 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could be totally wrong on this point, but I've heard it said by others allegedly more knowledgeable on the subject:
It's my understanding that, if the Canvassing Board okays the recount on Friday, without benefit of the 1300-some incorrectly rejected ballots being tallied, that still leaves Franken ahead by something like 47 votes. Even though Coleman has pledged to further stall on counting those 1300 ballots, I believe the Senate can temporarily seat Franken -- as the declared "winner" by the canvassing board -- pending the final outcome of this contest over those rejected ballots. I understand there is precedent for such an action.
If anyone has information to the contrary, that bit of enlightenment would be appreciated.
January 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some legal friends of mine don't think there's a federal question here, so the federal courts might deny review. The interesting question is "when the contest is settled". If Normie loses in state court then files in federal, and loses in the first round, does the SOS certify pending Normie's inevitable whining all the way up to SCOTUS?
Personally, I think it's time for some good old-fashioned tort reform. Why is it that any carpet-bagger from another state who can hire a lawyer can file a lawsuit and thwart common sense and the will of the people? Time to limit access to the judicial system for these people.
;-)
December 31, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
If this isn't a preview of the cooperation Obama and the enhanced - but still not enough - Democratic majority can expect from the Rethugs I don't know what is. As the saying goes - the more things change the more they stay the same. The Rethugs will use every trick and tactic they can think of to stymie Democratic progress. Hopefully the Dems will develop a spine this time around. Cornyn wants to filibuster seating Franken? Let him. As Newt Gingrich learned the hard way, eventually their obstructionism will backfire. But only if the Dems pick their positions carefully and then stick to their guns. Otherwise the Rethugs will twist every issue and every process into a pretzel, causing general paralysis and making a mockery of the results of the 2008 election.
December 31, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the Dems should make the R's do a REAL filibuster. You know, standing at the lectern for 24 hrs or more. Wasting time with so many critical issues being sidelined.
January 1, 2009 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not a guarantee, a rhetorical gambit: "The Coleman campaign has publicly guaranteed that they will file an election contest"
It would not surprise me if common sense comes back to this situation.
Maybe if Franken is declared the nominal victor next week he should seek an injunction against Coleman shenanigans, and claim further that being seated at least provisionally is a matter of national security.
December 31, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think an injuction to get him seated might be a good approach, but how could this be claimed to be a national security issue?
Is the Canadian Navy on it's way across Lake Superior?
December 31, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
An invasion from Canada is way more likely than finding WMDs in Iraq ever was.
Thus, "national security" is a valid argument for Franken to make.
December 31, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, didn't you ever see "Canadian Bacon"? 90% of their population is massed on our border right now!
December 31, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Canadian Border? Bomb Canada?? Maybe I am talking about the wrong election. I thought Franken was running for the US Senate where Foreign Policy involves bombing Iraq (and maybe Iran), not Canada! His voice is sorely needed, the US Senate cannot fully function without him, not to imply that Congress fully functioned for most of the past 7 years anyway...
December 31, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Norm Coleman & Co feel justified to use any means at their disposal to stem the tied of overturning the corporate plutocracy.
Look what is on the legislative horizon. Seating Franken and also seating the vacant IL and NY Senator puts the Dems at 59, now they are 56 trying to stop the full Dem Stimulus and Dem Healthcare Reform.
Even if IL and NY figure it out but that only appears to be NY right now it means that keeping this one vote off the floor important.
Of course this kind of surreal and underhanded purely political moves tend to backfire.
December 31, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
on 2nd thought I think this is also huge sour grapes. Losing by 49 or 349 is still losing by a handful or precinct.
If he can't have it by golly he is not going to let Franken have it until he is out of fight.
December 31, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's a little of both -- sour grapes and political tactics to keep another Democratic vote out of the Senate for as long as possible.
In any event, it's bad for Minnesota. Not only is the state down one vote in the Senate, but when Franken is finally seated, he will be at the very bottom of the seniority rankings.
December 31, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thus the injunction notion. I'm no legal scholar. But the idea is to take action to forestall Coleman's stalling.
December 31, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
While this is certainly annoying and could delay important legislation, it is kind of fun to watch Coleman and the GOP soil themselves in public.
December 31, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's been 30+ years since I changed my daughter's diaper. The thought of having to do it to the entire Republican party . . . well, "fun" is not the word that first comes to mind.
December 31, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Norm still considers himself the winner is he still being taken to court on the illegal contributions/payments he and his wife have received?
I think they should continue nailing him on those charges so that Coleman and the Repugs look even more like the asses that they are.
December 31, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both Norm Coleman's campaign and Al Franken's campaign have been to court as plaintiffs multiple times already.
I expect they will both go to court again after the State Canvassing Board counts some of the "Improperly Rejected Absentee Ballots."
They will both be plaintiffs to get more "Improperly Rejected Absentee Ballots" counted.
Norm Coleman's campaign will also sue over alleged double-counting of about 140 ballots.
December 31, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the one hand it must be tough for anyone to lose in a squeaker like this.
On thew other hand I'm reminded of the way this guy got the job, in part by a shameful distortion of Wellstone's memorial service/rally.
December 31, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can see how this mess would cause the Democratic spine to wilt again, when it comes to the Illinois senate appointment. One more Democratic vote in the senate could be critical very soon, so Reid and company are very likely to approve "whats his name" as Illinois' senator quickly. He is, at least, a nominal Democrat, remember?
December 31, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
This move will not redound to Colemans' benefit if he aspires to another run for elective office in the future. Of course, neither would a potential indictment.
December 31, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
To do so would be so totally in character for Normie. Maybe he'll be known as "Stormin' Norman" after such a court battle.
All I can say is that I hope he does carry out a shallow, futile contest suit. And I hope he gets bad press for months. Then maybe a DFL candidate will succeed Pawlenty as Governor in 2010.
December 31, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem Coleman has is that he is thought to have spent a great amount of time advancing frivolous challenges. When he challenges anything at this point people think, "there he goes again, another frivolous challenge." More importantly, the public believes that Minnesota has done an outstanding job conducting the recount. It is hard to argue that anybody else could have done it any better.
December 31, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem Coleman has is that he is thought to have spent a great amount of time advancing frivolous challenges. When he challenges anything at this point people think, "there he goes again, another frivolous challenge." More importantly, the public believes that Minnesota has done an outstanding job conducting the recount. It is hard to argue that anybody else could have done it any better.
December 31, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
MN has done a superb job with the recount - maybe the most diligent, thorough, transparent recount in American electoral history.
And then there's Slimy Norman - perhaps as repellent a politician (and human being) as the state has ever seen.
December 31, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the salient rule would be the rule that requires a two thirds vote to expel a member from the Senate. Since, if the election results are certified, Franken will have been seated in accordance with the law and applicable rules, the Senate would need 67 votes to deny Franken the seat. Which brings me to the question: Where the fuck do the Republicans and the press get off with saying that the "GOP will refuse to seat" Franken, as the headline blared at Huffington Post earlier today? These people either need remedial government or remedial arithmetic or both. If the election is certified, Senator Franken will be seated and barring the Minnesota Supreme Court suddenly becoming wingnutty, there isn't a goddamned thing that Coleman, the GOP or the reich wing press can do about it but whine, as I am convinced they will ad nauseum.
December 31, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the salient rule would be the rule that requires a two thirds vote to expel a member from the Senate. Since, if the election results are certified, Franken will have been seated in accordance with the law and applicable rules, the Senate would need 67 votes to deny Franken the seat. Which brings me to the question: Where the fuck do the Republicans and the press get off with saying that the "GOP will refuse to seat" Franken, as the headline blared at Huffington Post earlier today? These people either need remedial government or remedial arithmetic or both. If the election is certified, Senator Franken will be seated and barring the Minnesota Supreme Court suddenly becoming wingnutty, there isn't a goddamned thing that Coleman, the GOP or the reich wing press can do about it but whine, as I am convinced they will ad nauseum.
December 31, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one having problems with these balky comments
December 31, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone understand why the MNSC ruled that the campaigns themselves would have input as to which absentee ballots would be counted? Why didn't the court rule that all the wrongfully rejected absentees should be counted?
December 31, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second your query. It seems too obvious to count all the 5th pile ballots and none of the others. I have to think the Court was either out to lunch or playing games on this one.
December 31, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second your query. It seems too obvious to count all the 5th pile ballots and none of the others. I have to think the Court was either out to lunch or playing games on this one.
December 31, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I understand it.
The leading Minnesota Supreme Court Decision on how to do a Recount is Anderson V. Rolvaag, and this dates from our recounted Governor's race of 1962, that we did not settle till March of 1963. For all intents and purposes, that decision is the leading edge of Minnesota Election Recount Law, and while the legislature has made some minor tucks around the edges over the years, primarily in the 1980's, when we adopted a major revision of our election systems, it is the intent of most of the Justices, and virtually everyone else in Minnesota to stick with the recount law we have -- and the intent of Anderson v Rolvaag is to engage the candidates/campaigns in setting process criteria. Fundamentally it reflects the basic Minnesota idea that finding out who won the election is the point of it all, and that candidates should be of good will about this. Wrong that could be in the nastiness of the ontemporary culture, but right now I think the court is trying to hold to intent of the law.
In 1963 Elmer Anderson and Karl Rolvaag were essentially ordered to participate in every stage of the recount, and they did so, but they did so under court supervision. It was very civil, once Anderson's term was up on Jan 1, he stayed in his official Governor's office, and an alternative office for Rolvaag was constructed in the basement of the Capitol. They were expected to consult, and they more or less did so. They were making argument over less than 200 votes -- Anderson won by 90 in the unofficial canvass on Election Night, and by March, Rolvaag was leading by about 90. Eventually Anderson added it up and realized that the contested ballots were less than Rolvaag's margin, so he just moved out, and Rolvaag moved upstairs. (Anderson was an R -- a very progressive R, and Rolvaag was DFL). The big issue in the campaign was, ironically, cutting short on materials in building parts of 35W -- not the bridge that fell down last year, but parts a few miles down the pike which is now being ripped up and reconstructed. Karl Rolvaag was not particularly charismatic, half his face had been shot away during WWII, but John Kennedy came for his bean feed that fall and Kennedy attracted lots of votes. We had redistricted, and the fall of 1962 was when we elected Don Fraser to Congress, and my particular election of interest -- we elected Arnold Rose (Co-author of The Negro in America with Gunner Myrdal) to the Minnesota Senate. The Anti-Communists had been running a vicious campaign to get Arnold and his wife Carolyn fired from the U because of communist (pro-Negro) assumptions for a number of years, and any vaguely liberal American Student of that era knew the need to defend Rose and Myrdal). It was in that setting that we had a very close governor's election, dealt in very civil fashion with the need for a recount, and the current law is the result.
In the final court decision on that recount, the Supreme Court took into account all the orders which had been issued, and wrote a very comprehensive opinion, which today stands as the lead case in Minnesota Election Law. Parts of it had been earlier appealed to the US Supreme Court, and that court affirmed an opinion of the 8th Circuit court of Appeals that was very clear, a State Election Law and its courts govern a state election. It was even cited in Bush v Gore. The Justices had to argue why it did not apply to Florida -- and the only thing they had going for them was the deadline of the Electorial College vote. Doesn't apply here. The 8th Circuit decision was why the Federal Courts had no place in a matter such as Anderson versus Rolvaag, or by extension, Coleman versus Franken. So as long as Minnesota stays within the four corners of Anderson v Rolvaag, there will be no probable appeal to the Federal Courts. I would suggest that the orders to cooperate that are in Anderson v Rolvaag totally tell you why the MN Supreme Court ruled as it did on how to authorize for counting wrongly rejected absentee ballots.
Relevant to TPM long time readers. Minnesota Election Laws have been under attack for some time, by the Bushies. Let's just put down some of the points that have been followed on this site over the last year or so. We know, for instanct that at least for two reasons our USA was on the list to be fired. Tom Heffelfinger had resisted two calls to take voting issues into Federal Court -- Native American Voting Rights, and the application of the Help America Vote laws given Minnesota's rules for registration at the polls on election day to students resident on campuses. He was on Harriet Miers Firing list, and apparently got the message and resigned before they fired him, but there are a whole string of unexplained calls from Mary Kiffmeyer's phone at the Secretary of State's office (she was defeated by Mark Richie in 2006), to Karl Rove and Harriet Miers and Gonzo's phones and to others when the failure of USA-TH to move stuff to Federal Court was opposition to "the plan."
Following the Coleman-Franken recount is fascinating, but it is hardly the whole story. You have to make connections, read the Law, and then research these, and trust your smell some of the times.
December 31, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Karl Rolvaag was not particularly charismatic, half his face had been shot away during WWII"
I think you're confusing Karl Rolvaag with Orville Freeman.
January 1, 2009 4:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, Rolvaag had a partially reconstructed jaw, and as a result, a certain speech problem. Reconstructive surgery post WWII was not nearly as good as it is now. But Freeman was also a vet with a distinguished war record -- I don't recall that he was as seriously wounded. In 1963 Orville Freeman was in JFK's cabinet, as Secretary of Agriculture, and there are lots of pictures around of him in Kennedy/Johnson Administration books. Freeman had been Governor between 58-60, and had been chair of the Kennedy Johnson campaign in Minnesota in 1960.
Karl Rolvaag had a sad history after the recount and his 1963 win by about 90 votes. The Republicans controlled the Legislature, and would not allow him to substitute DFL commissioners for the Republican ones appointed by Elmer Anderson, (he tried -- the court ruled against him), and thus he was unable to execute any of the DFL Platform. Over time between 63 and 66 he lost popularity in the DFL Party, resulting in a famous meeting at a northern resort where a coup was plotted against him. In June of 66 he was denied the DFL endorsement for re-election in favor of the younger, more liberal and more photogenic Sandy Keith. But Rolvaag ran in the primary in September of 1966, won, and then lost in the general election in November. Sandy Keith eventually became a Supreme Court Justice, and served many years. (note -- in 1962 Minnesota went from 2 year governor's terms to 4 year terms, which is why these dates of terms change.)
Indirectly, I worked for Karl Rolvaag during his term of office, working for his Commission on Civil and Human Rights. The Commissioner was a Republican Woman who also was the VP of the National Council of Churches and in charge of all that the Council did in the Civil Rights Movement. In contrast to the way it is today, she was a ball of fire on the issues, bringing Martin Luther King to town for instance, raising money for SCLC and SNCC, and really pushing on legislation -- this was the period when we were doing the 64 Civil Rights Bill, and then Voter Rights in 65 -- but Rolvaag was much more of a go slow type, he wasn't against, he just was not a "seize the opportunity" type guy. That's part of the reason the liberals in the party attempted the coup in 66 using Sandy Keith as their candidate. Of course it was also when Hubert became VP, and thus Rolvaag got a Senate Appointment. The politics of pressuring him to appoint the very progressive Walter Mondale as opposed to a party stalwart also was a factor in why Rolvaag lost liberal support.
January 1, 2009 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me try to summarize your interesting comment as it pertains to the primary issue at hand: The MNSC is doing the right thing by having Coleman and Franken "agree" on which ballots to count, one ballot at a time.
I think this is lunacy, either outright or inspired.
And if the Board counts only those ballots agreed upon by all parties, and Coleman only approves Coleman voters (statistically) while Franken approves all 1350 or so 5thy pile ballots, and Coleman comes out ahead, where does that leave Franken? He is then put in the position of contesting the election results and having the bogus recount of these 1350 ballots thrown out in favor of doing it right. Franken will, or should, win that contest.
What a terrible waste the MNSC has created.
Please explain in shorter paragraphs your thinking on this.
January 1, 2009 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read what I wrote about the leading legal opinion on which all current Minnesota Recount Law is predicated, Anderson v. Rolvaag, 1963. The process of engaging the contestants in developing criteria for inclusion and exclusion of ballots is in that decision. If you want to know more about it, go to the MPR call-in with Mark Richie last Friday, as he discussed it very thoroughly.
It is never a good idea to attempt to modify civil legal proceedures when you are in the midst of the process. The consultation process is in the current court order, because it was included in the 63 process, and that court decision was subsequently incorporated into statute law. So all the court did was write to their own leading precident, and to the Legislative incorporation of that decision.
Of course the court gave themselves an out -- in their recent order they threatened sanctions should one or another party not participate in the process in good faith. We'll see how they respond to Normie's latest emergency appeal which is outside the scope of the original order. They can just order the Secretary of State to count all of the ballots in the class of wrongly rejected's and be done with it -- and that might be a proper sanction.
January 2, 2009 4:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Country First, Norm!
Classy.
December 31, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does this mean that Minnesota goes without Senate representation until it is settled? Will Norm still get paid and will he still be covered under the Senate health insurance plan? When Al is certified--will he get retro pay and benefits?
Not real important questions--just curious.
December 31, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm thinking that Norm NEEDS the money--because of the other legal trouble he is in and the need to pay lawyers. It is a tough economy...
December 31, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I for one, hope Coleman drags this out for as long as he can. Why deprive the State of MN from truly seeing him for the dickhead that he really is. It will only make it that much sweeter, when Al laughs his way all the way to Washington!
December 31, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
So why don't the Dems just delay the seating of Sen. John Cornyn or the guy in the close race in Georgia? I know, then this will escalate and ....
December 31, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's give the Minnesota Supreme Court some credit. They can expedite the case, hear the arguments, and unless Coleman really has something of real legal merit, rule relatively quickly. Although the office of Senator is a federal office, the Constitution leaves the conduct of elections to the states, and no state has done a better job in a difficult situation than Minnesota.
Aging Reader
December 31, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mean spirited, petty, and vindictive to the very end--like the Bushes, in denying the Obamas use of Blair House until the very last possible minute.
January 1, 2009 5:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the Senate Dems wanted to take a run at the filibuster, this would be the perfect vehicle to use. What they could do has been laid out by conservative lawyers. This could be the perfect opportunity.
January 1, 2009 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Franken could still be able to caucus with Democrats until he is certified. The Republicans can't stop that. Coleman is true to form. Showing a complete lack of class and style. Republicans squeal like stuck pigs when they don't get their way. Remember the 'nuclear option?' I'm not aware if the MN Supreme Court is right leaning or not but from where I sit every time the Coleman people want to count or don't want to count they lose and fall further behind. They can only stall for so long. Senator Franken will be seated!
January 1, 2009 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it would be interesting to get a report from an observer on the Hill as to what is happening to Coleman's Senate Office. Amy Klobuchar says she will be asking for money for extra staff so she can take over the case-work load of constitutant services that have been in process in Norm's offices, as apparently as of Jan 6th he will no longer have Senate paid office staff. So could someone look and see if packing boxes are in evidence in or around his place on the Hill?
As of now it looks like Norm has an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court on deck for tomorrow, and the counting of the absentee ballots is scheduled to begin at 9AM Saturday Morning. If you want to watch, apparently "The UpTake" will be live streaming the Saturday ballot counting. They will probably attempt to stream anything that takes place in the Court too.
January 1, 2009 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it would be interesting to get a report from an observer on the Hill as to what is happening to Coleman's Senate Office. Amy Klobuchar says she will be asking for money for extra staff so she can take over the case-work load of constitutant services that have been in process in Norm's offices, as apparently as of Jan 6th he will no longer have Senate paid office staff. So could someone look and see if packing boxes are in evidence in or around his place on the Hill?
As of now it looks like Norm has an emergency appeal to the Supreme Court on deck for tomorrow, and the counting of the absentee ballots is scheduled to begin at 9AM Saturday Morning. If you want to watch, apparently "The UpTake" will be live streaming the Saturday ballot counting. They will probably attempt to stream anything that takes place in the Court too.
January 1, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
When a gay drug user who also practices voodoo can become Prez and a comedian like Franken can become a Senator all the politicians today are jerks.
I hate Dem than Rep, though I hate both.
Lots of whining and yelping but not much biting
by the jerks of this genre.
The world will become a Peaceful place when Women rule.
January 1, 2009 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
They already do and it's not. Are you not one of the women in power??
January 1, 2009 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ii is not required that someone be an intellectual gymnast to conclude that the Democratic leadership are in the tank with the NeoCons. Both Pelosi and Reid have shown zero progressive intent and have succumbed to the 'Cons at the very times when a progressive would resist them. We really get the type of government we deserve when we elect spineless invertebrates like Reid, Pelosi, Feinstein, and Schumer, plus a bunch of weak-kneed fluffs with pretensions of leadership.
January 2, 2009 7:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have learned about Dem's ACORN conspiracy, I can smell the Dem uses this same tactic to help the Comedian Franken.
Here comes Dollars $$$$, Dem has no moral obligation anymore.
To many of my peers we believe Obama and Franken are not legit official elected members of the USA, but whatever may be we don't care what the American News say. Of course they are biased.
We prefer to read and watch foreign News better. They are more accurate than the CNN.../
January 2, 2009 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink