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Franken Camp: Coleman Is Desperate, Knows He's Going To Lose

In a press briefing just now, a very exuberant Franken campaign put forward a clear message about today's big news that the wrongly-rejected absentee ballots can be counted, which the Coleman campaign is trying to halt by going to court: Norm Coleman is desperate, because he knows he's going to lose.

The shift in tone from the Franken camp, compared to their more defensive posture in previous calls, reflects just how suddenly the dynamics of the race have shifted in his favor today.

Franken's lead recount lawyer Marc Elias said to not believe the Coleman camp's spin that they're not trying to stop the vote count. "But just read the papers that they file when they file them, and don't look past what they file," he said. "They are seeking an injunction, they are seeking to stop counties from counting lawful ballots."

Elias rebutted the Coleman camp's legal arguments that the sorting of rejected absentees will lack uniform standards, pointing out that the canvassing board handed down a clear procedure under state law. "They are hoping to run out the clock, delay the counting of these ballots," Elias later added.

When a reporter asked if the Coleman camp's legal maneuvers could work -- that is, if counties might end up holding off on counting absentee votes -- Elias sounded confident: "I don't believe it will. I don't see there is any reason why a county would forego making sure that its citizens have their vote counted in order to allow Norm Coleman's legal team an opportunity to further disenfranchise those voters."


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Say "G'night," Norm.

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G'Night, Norm!

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G'Night, Norm. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

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Yeah, this is about right. I'm thinking Franken will come out about 150-200 votes ahead of Coleman at the end of all this.

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Feisty, fearless, funny, formidable Franken. Standing up at the beginning of the Bush debacle and still carrying on the fight. If anyone ever earned the right to a seat in the senate, it's "Me, I'm Al Franken."

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I'm really impressed by the tenacity and organization of the Franken camp. I hope Franken comes out on top when all the votes are finally counted, because he's shown that he truly deserves this seat.

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Hallelujah! This thing might be close to over. Hard to see how the courts could rule favorably for Coleman given the events today.

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"The Coleman campaign, however, is now asking the Minnesota Supreme Court to halt the counting of the absentee ballots until, per the Star Tribune's reporting, "the justices can rule on the campaign's request that they order counties to follow a standard procedure in identifying wrongfully rejected ballots."" - nate silver's site

That seems patently bogus. There is a standard: All ballots which were not properly disqualified. There are very clear standards in MN, which is how the elections offices were able to put the ballots into several categories.

But the interesting additional question is: Should any other rejected ballots be added to the count now? Specifically, in principle any technical defect which could be remedied by a voter might be allowable once the voter remedies the defect, in addition to those rejected due to "clerical error". If interested, see my extended discussion:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/still_more_ballots_in_minnesot.php#comment-3312016

and following.

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If today's developments hold up after court challenges, and of course no one really knows how those uncounted valid absentee votes will break (they COULD all be for Barkley), it could bring about an upset. Earlier this week, Franken was saying that the lawyers had scrutinized ALL the then-challenged ballots and believed a fair analysis of them would place AL ahead by a lead in the single digits--but this depended on the missing 133 being included. Should the valid but uncounted absentees actually favor Franken, as expected, it should be the clincher. BUT not everything has gone as expected at any stage of this campaign or recount.

There's beginning to be a dawning hope, though, that Nate Silver may have called it correctly, weeks ago, and if that is so, then Mr. Silver ought to make the cover of the Rolling Stone. He rocks!!

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Strangely enough, the Republicans are probably dodging a BIG bullet here.

After today's revelations about Coleman using unreported money for home renovations, I'd say the odds of a Coleman indictment are approaching 1 in 1.

With a Franken victory look all the more certain, things could actually be worse for the R party were Coleman to win.

It would do a lot less damage to the Republican brand for Coleman to be indicted as a private citizen than as a sitting Republican Senator. He would be the second Republican Senator in successive years to be indicted for the Same Damn Thing.

So what the hell are the feds waiting for? There certainly seems to be more than enough evidence to indict Coleman, why can't they do it while he's still a sitting Senator?

I suppose getting Senator Franken AND a sitting Senator Coleman indictment is asking Santa for a bit too much. :)

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Easy on the Big Guy there. I've put in for Mike Duncan being re-elected RNC chair - and a special order for a Nominee Caribou Barbie (rain-checked until 2012). :-)

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It's time for some serious bi[artisan party unity here. Maybe Norm and Blago can share the same cell.

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Norm will have to bunk with "Dollar Bill" Jefferson.

Blago is going to share a cell with George "Lyin'" Ryan. Gotta keep the Governor's Wing of the prison together.

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I love how Coleman is warning about "Florida-type chaos" as a reason to disenfranchise voters. Guess that means he couldn't raise an army of GOP thugs to gum up the works this time. Poor little crook, no one loves him, not even his fellow crooks.

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I gotta tell ya, this Marc Elias fellow (along with whoever is managing Franken's campaign) sure learned some lessons from Al Gore about handling the political/media aspects of a tough recount.

They've done a GREAT job of putting out the narrative they want, and Coleman is pretty much reduced to responding to everything. This is so much better (from a D standpoint) than the coverage of the Bush/Gore recount.

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When a reporter asked if the Coleman camp's legal maneuvers could work -- that is, if counties might end up holding off on counting absentee votes -- Elias sounded confident: "I don't believe it will. I don't see there is any reason why a county would forego making sure that its citizens have their vote counted...

Hey a few bricks thrown through windows, threatening phonecalls from strangers, chanting over aged frat boys screaming epithets and roughing up a few election judges would do the trick.

Anybody keeping tabs on Republican hill staffers this weekend? If they're flying to the Twin Cities this weekend it's not to see the Vikings play. They're in AZ playing the Cardinals.

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Anyone know how the absentee ballot count went? I hear it favored Franken, but not by how much. If these 1600 or so break the same way, we could predict how many votes Franken will pick up, pretty accurately.

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Partial answer to my own question from Nate Silver's 538 dot com site:

"A pre-election poll showed Franken leading by 8 percent among absentee voters, which would translate to a net gain of 128 ballots if there are indeed 1,600 such ballots to be counted. "

That's still marginal.

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disregard the below

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Heh, thanks. See also http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/still_more_ballots_in_minnesot.php#comment-3312016

and following for some even more marginal issues!

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From 538 the following:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
A pre-election poll showed Franken leading by 8 percent among absentee voters, which would translate to a net gain of 128 ballots if there are indeed 1,600 such ballots to be counted. This estimate, however, is fairly crude, and nobody knows exactly how the rejected absentee ballots might break, although from my previous conversations with officials close to the Franken campaign, Franken also believes that a plurality of such ballots will be counted in his favor.

There's More...

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Ramsey County is refusing to sort the ballots, and it's one of the most Democratic counties in MN.

Ramsey includes St. Paul.

Al Franken probably won't gain net votes from today's Canvassing Board request unless a court order forces Ramsey to sort the ballots.

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This is some amazing great news!

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When he gets elected he better say humorous things on the Senate floor. Otherwise, I will be sorely disappointed.

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I'd be happy with "I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!"

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He will need a lot of that self-therapy when it hits home that people only like him more than Norm Coleman by 0.01%

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Coleman is slime.

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The Assistant SoS gave an example of wrongly excluded ballots today at the Canvass Board Meeting. He was discussing Duluth, the major city in St. Louis County. The Elections Judges in Duluth had sorted the excluded absentee ballots into the five piles, noticing that the given reason for exclusion for 40 of those Duluth ballots was failure to date voter and witness signatures on ballot envelopes. They then examined the law, the rules, and the voter instructions -- no mention at all of the requirement to date signatures. What was wrong here is that a cleck was applying a non-existant criteria to accepting ballots. So these 40 go into pile five, and get counted.

Duluth and St. Louis County (the county outside the city absentees have not been examined yet) are strongholds of the DFL -- probably runs 75-80% DFL. There could easily be a hundred ballots from St. Louis County that belong to Franken that have not yet been counted excluded on this mistaken criteria alone. An excellent example of Human Error that would never have been identified without a careful recount -- and a first class advertisement for why it is necessary to spend time and money training and re-training elections personnel. Who knows where the false criteria that signatures had to be dated came from -- but it now has been found and will be corrected to the benefit of voters who followed all the lawful directions.

Another example of good practice today was the treatment of the Dinkytown Precinct (W-3, P-1)that had 133 missing ballots at recount. Because Minnesota's system has built in redundancy, in the end the vote could be reconstructed in a valid way, and the missing votes on the 133 ballots included in Precinct totals.

I know this has been slow -- and the frustrated ask why we don't just have a run-off (not legal in Minnesota) but there are many examples of good practice evident in this recount that can be applied elsewhere. First -- it is important to put your standards into statute law, and not at the lower level of rulings by an SoS. The more detail the better -- as an example, what are the criteria for excluding an absentee ballot. I know such detail makes eyes swim, but you can see how important it is.

Second, the importance of building in redundancy in systems. 99 chances out of a hundred, you don't need them -- but once in a while you do. If your system has them, you can recover from errors, such as the loss of a ballot envelope.

Third, the necessity for training and re-training professional and election day workers so as to minimize human error in all aspects of the system.

Another thing to note -- this is a state with election day registration at the polls -- we have had this since 1974. Thus far we have had no claims of Fraud on these grounds. As a result we also have no provisional ballots to argue about --
and election day registration at the polls is how you correct mistakes in the voter rolls. Our Former Secretary of State, Joan Growe, who served for 24 years covering the period when we adopted registration at the polls, has testified in the legislatures in a number of states about how it is done -- and she says the rational for rejecting the idea is a belief in Fraud. (Imagine elected officials claiming "their people" are too prone to Fraud to adopt a better system???). There is a lesson here.

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Thanks Sara~ thanks a million. Minnesota is teaching a lesson on how to keep your eye on the ball, which is helping all voters vote, and counting all the votes once the people have spoken. I lived in Minneapolis for many years and I have complete confidence that the culture there not only values niceness, it values fairness and honesty.

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The back story of Valerie Jarrett, Illinois U.S. Senate Seat and the White House - Roland Martin

http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/12/the-back-stor-1.html

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Somewhere, somehow Will Rogers is smiling right now. God, I hope this happens.

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Rahm Emanuel talked with governor's office about who should fill Obama's Senate seat

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rahm-obama13dec13,0,3359611.story

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and this means..... nothing.

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President-elect Barack Obama.
President-elect Barack Obama.
President-elect Barack Obama.
Sing yourself to sleep, tr*ll.

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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brianna69....very cool that you used your name and your IQ in your handle.

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I thought the number meant that she had someone's head up her ass.

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There is nothing illegal about Rahm or Barack expressing their preference for that seat.

Unless there was an offer and acceptance, there is nothing there at all and there was no offer and no acceptance.


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geez, this is taking forever. feels like the al franken decade.

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Yeah, it's like the whole thing has been in slo-mo.

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i meant this al franken decade:

Al Franken: Thank you, Jane. Well, the "me" decade is almost over, and good riddance, and far as I'm concerned. The 70's were simply 10 years of people thinking of nothing but themselves. No wonder we were unable to get together and solve any of the many serious problems facing our nation. Oh sure, some people did do some positive things in the 70's - like jogging - but always for the wrong reasons, for their own selfish, personal benefit. Well, I believe the 80's are gonna have to be different. I think that people are going to stop thinking about themselves, and start thinking about me, Al Franken. That's right. I believe we're entering what I like to call the Al Franken Decade. Oh, for me, Al Franken, the 80's will be pretty much the same as the 70's. I'll still be thinking of me, Al Franken. But for you, you'll be thinking more about how things affect me, Al Franken. When you see a news report, you'll be thinking, "I wonder what Al Franken thinks about this thing?", "I wonder how this inflation thing is hurting Al Franken?" And you women will be thinking, "What can I wear that will please Al Franken?", or "What can I not wear?" You know, I know a lot of you out there are thinking, "Why Al Franken?" Well, because I thought of it, and I'm on TV, so I've already gotten the jump on you. So, I say let's leave behind the fragmented, selfish 70's, and go into the 80's with a unity and purpose. That's what I think. I'm Al Franken. Jane?"

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I am so damn glad I responded off the mark to your comment. It prompted you to post this awesome comment.

;)

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His contributions to the glory days of SNL are so underappreciated, it's almost a crime. I was 14 when the show started, so I was too young to be going out regularly on Saturday nights at the time. It made me feel like i was part of a hip, clever crowd miles away (both geographically and intellectually) from my small town in Illinois.

And how refreshing is it to see an unapologetic, fighting liberal running for office (and winning?!). Norm Coleman and the rest of the Republican Party are greedy, amoral Tories - the antithesis of the America I grew up believing in and proud of - and we should not be afraid to say so.

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Wheres Katherine Harris when you need her? From a tragic plane crash that ended the life of Paul Wellstone, to the replacement candidate (Walter Mondale)and that botched election (that Coleman won), to this mess. What can you expect from a state that gave us Governor Ventura?

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People keep griping about Governor Ventura. Give the man credit--he was the one who defeated Golden Boy Norm Coleman in 1998, thus derailing Norm's amibitious personal timetable for reaching the White House. The DFL candidate was not going to beat Norm that year.

In 2002, Norm was a formidable candidate against Paul Wellstone, but not as strong as he would have been if he'd been serving as Governor for the previous 4 years.

And Paul was ahead in the polls, when his plane went down. So Norm's election came about by a combination of tragedy and of the concerted lying by the right wing noise machine about the memorial service for Paul. That vicious lying was the goad which pushed Al Franken to write his book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them," and which provoked him to get Air America radio underway, and which ultimately placed him into the election this year as a candidate himself.

As Governor, Ventura made some mistakes and did some other things right. He was a lot better than the guy who followed him, Tim Pawlenty, who got elected by exploiting xenophobic anti-immigrant emotions.

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While lined up to go into Paul Wellstone's Memorial Service, I saw some of Coleman's campaign workers in a parking lot tearing Wellstone bumper stickers off cars, and replacing them with Coleman's. I saw a couple of cops down the block dealing with traffic, and spoke to them, and within a few minutes another cop arrived at the parking lot, and dealt with the Bumper Sticker strippers. They were not arrested, but they quickly left, leaving the cop holding their Coleman stickers. I kick myself for not insisting on arrest and signing a complaint, because then it would have made the news. My thoughts that sad afternoon were that the stripping was intended to start an altercation of some sort -- and I wanted to avoid that possibility. Wellstone people were pretty emotional at that juncture, and it would not have taken much to set someone off.

In reality there were two memorial events... for those of us who were present, it was "old home week" as so many of us had worked on Wellstone Campaigns, particularly that 1990 Campaign that was as "grass roots" as you can get -- and everyone was engaged in socially reconnecting with old friends, people you had worked with on this or that project over the years. But watching the re-run on TV, none of that was at all evident to viewers. It just didn't convey in any way the profound intellectual and emotional connection Paul's supporters had with him, and which brought them to the event. That is what made it so easy for opponents to raise the bloody flag of seeing it as a political event.

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