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Would Hillary Bring Her Old-Guard Foreign Policy Advisers To State Department?

Here's another thing that's got some people worried about Secretary of State Hillary: Would she bring her old-guard foreign policy adviser types with her to the State Department, a cadre who are in some ways out of step with the more progressive crew that steered the foreign policy of the Obama campaign?

There seems little doubt that Hillary would try to bring her people abroad. "Successful Secretaries of State bring in their own people," foreign policy expert Larry Korb of the Center for American Progress told me a few minutes ago.

If Hillary does do this, it seems likely that this will discomfit Obama's foreign policy confidants -- some of whom opposed the Iraq War and argue for a clean break from the Dem establishment foreign policy mindset that's held sway for so long. The question would also be whether Obama advisers would find a comfortable home there and how much of a role they could carve out in crafting America's new global posture.

Among the Hillary people you can imagine going with her to the State Department are old-guard types such as Richard Holbrooke, Jamie Rubin, and Michael O'Hanlon. While some of Obama's foreign policy advisers had served under Bill Clinton, Obama had plenty of fresher faces, such as Samantha Power, who during the campaign strongly condemned the Hillary "conventional wisdom" foreign policy mindset that might dominate should she be elected president.

As Spencer Ackerman puts it in a good rundown on the topic, at stake is more than the potential for internal ideological conflict at State:

The dispute is only partly ideological in nature. While the coterie of foreign-policy thinkers around Obama have been more liberal, in an aggregate sense -- on issues like Iraq and negotiations with America's adversaries -- the Obama loyalists question the boldness of the Clintonites. They fear that Obama's apparent embrace of Clinton represents an acquiescence to the conventional Democratic foreign-policy approaches that they once derided as courting disaster.

The question is whether Hillary people at State will muddle what is arguably Obama's overarching foreign policy ambition: Fundamental change in the way national security is discussed in this country and a true and enduring transformation of our own views of what constitutes just and practical uses of our military power abroad. The dynamic bears watching.


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Where's Richardson? Is he still breathing? Just curious.

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going to commerc? so says one report

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I thought it was China.

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Really? That would be interesting.

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Michael O'Hanlon? Hmmm. I recall him saying that he wouldn't vote for Obama but rather McCain. Why should he get a job?

Greg, you make some good points but I have to believe that the agreement is that Hillary will be following Obama's policy and not creating her own.

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O'Hanlon endorsed Obama in the end

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Republic or Empire?

We all just voted for a Republic.

I don't see Hillary taking us back to Empire.

But it ought to sell nicely on Sunday...

Save me Jebus....

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Samantha Power is the one who called Hillary a "monster" during the primary. I'm not sure she'd be a fit in Hillary's State Department

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well, clearly someone like her might be frozen out -- that's the whole point

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I can see a dangerous part for Hillary Clinton, if she politicizes the state department. I am pretty sure the White House, Obama's inner circle, will be watching over her shoulder.

Hillary will be better off if she can do away with Clinton's old guard, Lanny Davis et al, and make her mark on the Foreign policy establishment.

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Powers would obviously be over on the NSC side of the traditional NSC vs. State rivalry (not to be confused with the UNC vs. State rivalry), anyway.

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Michael O'Hanlon?

Mr. War Cheerleader? Michael "a prominent liberal argues for the invasion" O'Hanlon?

If he's one of those coming along for the ride, that alone is reason to jettison consideration of Clinton.

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If there are really any people who want to punish the people who supported Obama, my guess is that they would be doing so at their own peril. Obama and his counselors aren’t stupid or naive. They are making this move with their wide eyes open, and will likely be mindful of protecting their own people.

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I worry more about what she will be telling our allies and enemies behind closed doors.

Will she be supporting Obama's policies in public but once she's behind closed doors...telling them NOT to do what Obama wants with a guarantee that SHE will give them anything they want once she win in 2012 (after she helps Obama look bad to voters between now and then).

If Hillary will sign an a form saying she will NOT run for president in 2012 - no matter what happens --- then and only then will I support her.

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Yup, that's Change We Can Believe In. Maybe we can get her to sign it in her own blood, too.

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Many of Obama's potential foreign policy appointees are quite troubling. I'm starting to sense Obama sold us bill of goods just to get elected. As an ardent support of the President-elect, I might regret this comment, but Reverend Jeremiah Wright was correct in labeling Obama just another politician who will do and say whatever it takes to get elected.

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I would just ask what has he done so far that is different than what he said on the campaign trail?

As far as Hillary is concerned, I would posit that Rice and Powell would have been different SoS if they had served under Obama. I'm no fan of Hillary, but at this point I don't believe Obama would bring her on board unless he was confident that she would be able to make his foreign policy agenda a reality.

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who are these "potential" foreign policy advisors that you speak of? And who exactly do you want him to consider?

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Heh, heh. Did you ever listen to Barack Obama during the campaign, or just hear what you wanted to hear?

I've got to say that it's pretty funny to hear my fellow Democrats complaining already - two months before Obama even takes office! Man, is this typical Democratic behavior or what? I wouldn't want us to march in lockstep like the Republicans, but do we have to be quite so infantile? I mean, let's have a LITTLE patience. And let's not expect to get every single thing the way we want it.

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This is exactly the kinda speculative, second-guessing media exercises (that will be abound in future, you betcha) that has turned me off her as sos.

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Me too.

I recognize how fundamentally unfair that is to Hillary Clinton. I don't know who's doing the leaking, if it's being done at all, or whether Clinton authorized it or condones it. What I do know is that this constant speculation would probably pop up after every action Clinton takes. Does the Obama Administration want to have to spend time and energy addressing it?

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Are we going to let the media airheads dictate policy, too?

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I'm not interested in having the constant gossiping and speculation that swirls around the Clintons be a part of our foreign policy.

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Me either, but I don't see it as a disqualifier, at all. If anything, added scrutiny would bring added attention to our foreign policy. The Clintons are well respected overseas, as much or moreso than anyone on the American scene, so IMO, how the idiot American media covers it doesn't mean much.

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Wouldn't you say that the media is dictating the policy right now with all this sos drama ?

I would rather have someone equally, if not more, competent, no-drama person at this sensitive post.

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If it wasn't about the Clintons, it would be something else.

The "drama" is about as informed and relevant as the constant tabloid "insider reporting" on Brad and Angelina's marriage. The MSM doesn't have anything real to report about until January 20, Bush has rendered himself the most irrelevant nonentity of a lame duck since Hoover--assuming that's not in injustice to Hoover. Indeed, he's been a lame duck since he flew back to D.C. to sign that abominible Schiavo bill, which is what I've always (even then) identified as the turning point. No one's given much of a damn about anything he's said or done since then.

Lacking real news, the MSM is basically just making shit up to fill airtime/column inches, actively aided and abetted, of course, by the ability of Democrats to think of ever-more ridiculous fact-free scenarios to worry about than all the breakout sessions at the National Jewish Mothers Conference combined. And the very premise of all the worrying is fucking ridiculous.

There have been times in the history of the U.S. when the President and the Secretary of State have had divergent ideas on foreign policy. In all the history of the Republic, however, the President has a 100% win-loss record, because we have a Secretary of State in this country, not a Foreign Minister. When the President makes a call--even a weak one--the SoS either implements the policy or he/she resigns. Period. There is no third option. Hillary knows this.

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O’HANLON: But let’s also be fair. Iraq now seems to be a quasi-functioning democracy, without weapons of mass destruction, without genocides against its own citizens or attacks against its neighbors. So, to some extent, we’ve got to give the president his due.

This Michael O'Hanlon? Seriously?

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Yep. Amazing, isn't it? If he actually is part of Clinton's department, it will be another example of how, in Washington, there are evidently no consequences whatsoever for bad judgment.

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I don't see Team Obama having anything to do with this nonsense.

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I miss Samantha Power- (that's all I've got).

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I'm sure she'll be back. And maybe this is one of the reasons that Hillary is not sure she wants the position, ie Obama will have people on his team that are hostile to her personal foreign policy views, and since she is only SoS and not POTUS, she'll have to let people like Power get up in her grill and tell her just what they think of her and her ideas.

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Me too. She has the creds and smarts to do this job and do it well.

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Lest someone misunderstand me (God forbid), I meant Powers. More power to her.

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I think Obama is using Clinton as a suck-all-of-the-air-out-of-the-room distraction while he puts together his intelligence team of torturers with Cheney allegiances.

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You mean Brennan?

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Yup. And Jami A. Miscik, John McLaughlin and Rob Richer.

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I think these choices have to be taken in this context, from Ambinder

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/11/brennan_harding_slated_for_top.php

But, as George Tenet's chief of staff and deputy executive dierctor, Brennan was undoubtedly read into some of the Bush Administration's more controversial intelligence programs, although there is no evidence that he made decisions. In interviews since leaving the government, Brennan has expressed support for the government's rendition policy, calling it effective, "enhanced" interrogation techniques and immunity for telecommunications companies involved in government spying efforts.

Obama takes an opposite position on all three subjects. His widely reported choice of former deputy attorney Eric Holder as attorney general may help mollify critics of the Brennan pick, as Holder and White House counsel Gregory Craig, along with Obama's national security adviser and director of national intelligence, will set policy, not Brennan.

ABC News reported tonight that Marine Gen. James Jones (Ret.) is the leading candidate to be Barack Obama's national security adviser, and Adm. Dennis Blair (Ret.), the top candidate to be director of national intelligence.

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In interviews since leaving the government, Brennan has expressed support for the government's rendition policy, calling it effective, "enhanced" interrogation techniques and immunity for telecommunications companies involved in government spying efforts.

This alone disqualifies Brennan. People are squawking about Hillary Clinton. What they should be concerned about is Cheney-lite as the director of the CIA.

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and one other thing: you will point to the portion that says Obama, Holder and Craig will set policy, not Brennan, and I guess my question to you is this: there isn't any one else qualified to do this job? Must it be someone who favored torture? Must it?

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I think the person has meet two qualifications: (1) he or she must be able to fix the problems at the CIA immediately, while instilling in the rank and file a sense of hope that things will be done the right way, which means someone who has a good history as part of the CIA, and (2) Obama needs to trust the person. My guess is that the second qualification really limits the pool. Brennen has been advising Obama for a year now, so my guess is that he trusts Brennen to operate within the parameters his administration sets, regardless of his personal beliefs.

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Jonze says:

"I think Obama is using Clinton as a suck-all-of-the-air-out-of-the-room distraction while he..."

What is obtained by the players if HRH as SoS is a ruse? Obama gets cover for other position selections. Obama gets credit from remaining PUMAs for recognizing Hill's value. Hill's rep is enhanced. Bill's dealings appear to have been vetted, even if the public doesn't get to see. Hill can graciously decline and pick up Teddy's offer to become main mover in health care, get help raising money to cover her debt, and position herself for whatever the future brings.

It's enough to make Machiavelli chortle.

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Richardson is shown to be more calm and calculating than Clinton and her "nuke Iran" talk. I say give it to him. He's very well respected around the world- he negotiated a ceasefire with Darfur and had talks with North Korea all while Bush 2 was asleep at the wheel.

Clinton's sway with the international community is over-rated and, unfortunately, Richardson's has been under-rated (at least with the traditional media).

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You know, I don't necessarily dismiss the concern, but I guess that is an easily foreseeable issue. If the Obama side is serious about Hill as SOS I'm sure they already considered this issue in the process and perhaps some solutions are already thought out or some conditions are thrown out in the negotiation, etc...

Else, Hill won't be SOS.

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President Elect Barack Obama ran his campaign saying the lobbyists needed to be taken out of Washington. He said during a debate with Hillary Clinton and John Edwards that lobbyist definitely have influence on the politicians and that this influence MUST stop. He said they WOULD NOT have access to his administration.

Hillary Clinton during this same debate said, when asked if she would continue taking money from lobbyists, "YES I will, these lobbyists are people like nurses, etc..., yes corporations"

Watch the video of this debate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isi6c2s353c


Now that Obama is soon to have his own administration -- what is one of the first things he does? He is reported to have asked, who else, but Hillary Clinton (one of the biggest lobbyist friend in Washington) to be his Secretary of State.

Do you suppose that each country she visits as SOS might 'also' have lobbyists working for them?

To top that off (keep in mind that I've supported Obama since before day one), he's seemingly hiring every person in one way or another that is affiliated or worked for Bill Clinton.

I thought the man ran on CHANGE in Washington. I thought he didn't want to continue with the old ways they do business? Well, if that's the case, why would you hire the same old people that ran the business back then?

This makes no sense what so ever. He must have been forced to GIVE IN to the Clinton Dynasty - that's all I can figure.

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There is a Reader Post on here titled Today's Dumbest Argument (so far). I think you should copy and paste your post to that thread!

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If this is a dumb argument -- why then did Obama ARGUE it?

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I don't mean to be a jerk, but honestly, the naivete in this thread is startling. This is not some neighborhood soup swap the man's organizing. This is the freaking U.S. government. Did you really think Obama was going to ascend to the office in the absolutely dire economic and international straits we currently find ourselves, and begin appointing neophyte agitators or radicals of any kind to major positions within his administration??? Please. Spare me the amateur-hour, jilted-teen drama routine, "oh woe is me, my dreams of Camelot have been shattered." boo hoo hoo. Have a little bloody faith, for crying out loud.

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I am completely conflicted on HRC as SOS. Hillary, Bill and their cronies spent half of the primary season assassinating and tearing down Barack Obama's character: he was called naive, dangerous, green and she tried to muscle her way on to the democratic ticket. For the love of god' --why on earth would Obama reward HRC with the SOS position?

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Who she brings with her -- or doesn't bring -- is going to tell the whole story. In fact ..... if she really wanted to show the world that she is going to be operating as someone in the Obama sphere, rather than in the traditional "Clintonian" manner, she should leave the O'Hanlons behind and herself appoint Samatha Power for some important spot! Time will tell. But you can bet these things were discussed and agreements reached well before now.

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OBAMA IS IN CHARGE, NOT HILLARY! OBAMA IS IN CHARGE NOT HILLARY! OBAMA IS IN CHARGE NOT HILLARY! Please write this 100 times on a single-ruled notebook paper until it sticks and stop with these dumb ass articles and these dumb ass conspiracy theories.

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I agree. Obama RUNS THE SHOW, but just to appease us liberals---why not put Samantha Powers in the DOS?

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Haven't seen any evidence of this yet -- what's he done to prove HE's in charge of his transition? Held off OFFICIALLY announcing the names of his cabinet?

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Are you serious? If Obama's not in charge, who is?

Seriously? Who's in charge, coonsey?

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It sounds like the Clinton's still are. They've fixed it so that Obama has NO choice but to pick her.

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I think this is delusional.

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This was (partly) the reason I preferred Obama to Clinton in the primaries. She stuck to this "we'll obliterate Iran, why should we negotiate with them" tough talk crap that wasn't all that dissimilar to what McCain argued.

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Yeah, she lost me for good with that "obliterate Iran" line. Talk about stupid- that's NOT how we want to present ourselves to the world. The media seems to think the world loves Hillary, but I'm not so sure after lines like that one.

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The FACT that we are STILL discussing Hillary and Bill Clinton is WHY I didn't vote for her.

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LOL!

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I still like the idea of Hillary at SoS but I completely forgot about the O'Hanlon angle. That always worried me back in the primaries - that if she won, he'd probably be her national security adviser. Holbrooke and Rubin, I'm OK with. But O'Hanlon is a tool.

Would Pollack be in the mix as well? Ugh...

Whatever, again, I still think she'd be great at Foggy Bottom. Maybe balance out her team with folks like Power on the NSC (or at the UN). Differing points of view can't hurt, as long as they understand that the final call is Obama's. And something tells me he'll make that very clear.

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Will the final call be Obama's? That is the crux of the Hillary for SoS. I would prefer Richardson, but if Hillary embraces Obama's vision, policies, and agenda, and then works her damnest to make it reality, then fine. She would do well. Will there be people like O'Hanlon milling about in the mix, no matter who is chosen, probably. How many people at the State Department and Pentagon were against the Iraq War for any number of reasons, but did their "job" and carried out their duties? I would guess a lot.

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Oh, God, here we go again... Hillary is a monster, blah-blah-blah...

If Obama is any kind of leader, he won't have any problems here. If he's a chump, we're all screwed anyway - with SoS being the least of our worries.

Relax, children, and trust Obama.

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Co-Sign, Endorse, Concur and could hug you!

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Why is it that Hillary Clinton is the ONLY person that can solve all our problems? She's the best person for every job imaginable according to some of you.

The Clinton's had their chance in the 90s. They did a fine job. It's time for CHANGE. Not only in policy; but in PEOPLE running things. We need NEW ideas -- not people with even more power.

I thought we'd finally be rid of the Clinton/Bush Media frenzy ----apparently not.

What's more important in the news today? Hillary becoming SOS --- not the economy, not the employment rate, not Iraq, not Afghanistan, not the environment or energy problems and not the health care crisis.....IT'S All about Hillary and Bill Clinton AGAIN.

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The real question is whether or not we can avoid hand-wringing over hypothetical situations rather than WAITING TO SEE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS AND HOW IT WORKS!


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Now NYTs reports Hillary will accept the position. She's come to the conclusion that she will have the MOST INFLUENCE by saying Yes.

That TELLS it all.

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Comments chastising others for openly discussing concerns, thoughts, inclinations, etc. are rather boring. Whats wrong with discussing a hypothetical situation? What's the point of comment boards and discussion otherwise? What's the point of blogs otherwise?

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"What's the point of blogs otherwise?"

Damn fine question.

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I mean I know we shouldn't let the hand-wringing get the best of us, as it so clearly did for me the other day, when Lieberman got off. But I don't mind discussing hypotheticals, etc. I mean what other "points" would we "talk" about?

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Greg.

Thanks for this post. So far, all the blogs on the pros vs cons of Hillary at State have ignored the realities of how and who will be implementing policies and what they'll be.

For those who don't follow the ins and outs of FP closely, take note of the fact that the Obama team of advisors has been purged of those known to have dangerous ideas (see Robert Malley & Z.Brzezinski) that suggest an approach that differs from the Israel-centric one that determines our approach in regards to the ME. None of the FP advisors in Hillary's camp have raised any "concerns" whatsoever.

The Ackerman article points to the fears of some Obama that the failing status quo will prevail, no matter that it bears little relevence to the rapidly changing facts-on-the-ground in the ME. Distorted American FP policy realities are so deeply embeded within the FP establishment and Congress that even slight adjustments are fought hard, particularly if they suggest approaches that divert from what some have determined are in the best interests of Israel; even if Israelis like Olmert disagree.

I've seen nothing concrete from the Obama camp that suggests current idiocies (preconditions) will be discarded, despite the fact that our allies in Europe are departing from constipated US assumptions and reshaping their relationships with countries like Syria and Lebanon in order to promote stabilization in the region.

The toothpaste is already out of the tube in the ME, the I/P conflict excluded, and if Hillary and her crew are enlisted in an effort to push it back in, I wish them nothing but ill.

This Obama supporter does not believe in blind cheerleading based on allegiance to him or anyone else espousing the continuance of wrongheaded policies.


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It's interesting no one has mentioned a concern that the president-elect selected someon as his VP who hasn't exactly developed a reputation as hositle to certain lobbying groups. And that someone here criticised the Hillary for being honest about the lobbying factor during the nomination debates.

And if Obama would select someone whose counsel he wouldn't respect and who he believed wasn't the best choice, maybe we have the wrong guy. No?

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O'Hanlon and the rest in State, even in "advisory" roles rather than in the Org Chart, is a frightening concept. What was the last thing O'Hanlon was right about or admitted an error on?


John

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We haven't been mentioning any of the other specific political appointments at State, and who might be in line for them -- and most important, what these actually do.

Most importent, the Deputy Secretary, who runs the department on a day to day basis. SoS is largely an "Outside" job, Dep. Secretary keeps the Department moving. So Who???

I assume that Obama will use his power to appoint ambassadors from outside the Senior Foreign Service ranks -- frequently given to those who strongly supported (financially) a candidate. Posts such as Paris, London, Mexico City, Canada, these are typical political patronage postings. I seriously doubt if Hillary will be naming these.

Other Deputy Secretaries and Assistant Secretaries probably will come, at least in part, out of Obama's advisor circle to the extent that they can take administrative leadership positions. For instance, will Sam Nunn be Deputy for Arms Control? He is an Obama man.

Who goes to the UN? Mention has been made of Carolyn Kennedy. She is also mentioned as replacement Senator from New York. I do think the Kennedy Clan has a claim to make here.

Other names intrigue me -- some Clinton supporters others not. Strobe Talbott, Wes Clark, Richard Holbrooke, Susan Rice, Peter Galbreith, ...I just see a lot of very strong people available for this administration.

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Old Clinton hands who were on board w/Obama from the git go such as Anthony Lake (doesn't want a post) will fight hard to keep Richard Holbrooke out of the mix. He is dementedly ambitious to a fault and does not play well with others.

Susan Rice will be somewhere, hopefully in an area she knows (subSaharan Africa)

Despite teh prog innerwebs approval of Wesley Clark, there's insider griping that he's really not all that....competent or respected by peers.

Most appalling choice for anything to do w/Iran or the ME?

Easy as pie....it's Dennis Ross.

BTW. According to a NYT excerpt on "War and Piece", "some" see the appointment of Hillary FP experience critic Greg Craig as WH counsel instead of anything that would bring him into contact with Hillary in the FP arena or at the NSC as a sign that she's in.

The rumored appointment that cheers me up and has me crossing my fingers is James Jones as National Security Advisor.

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http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/4248.html
This O'Hanlon? Brookings Institute? PNAC?

Jeebus

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I think we need to keep our faith in Obama, that he will do the right thing and make the right decisions.

I'm sure he's taking into consideration a lot of what we have talked about here. Remember, for once, we have a highly intelligent President Elect this time.

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Youse guys are all missing the big news. HRC has already announced her first two choices for Deputy Secretarie of State - Sheryl Crow and Sinbad!

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First and foremost, O'Hanlon is a tool of the highest order.

Secondly, get a grip folks. I cannot believe how anxious and overly concerned everybody is getting over each and everyone of Obama's cabinet picks. The guy just ran the smartest, most effective political campaign in all of American history. He's not throwing darts here. Obama has had 2 f*cking years to put together his cabinet wish list. Do you honestly think he's picked these candidates impulsively?

I will miss Hillary Clinton as my Senator. But now she's truly on the world stage. For all the truth and all the malarkey thrown about in the last dozen or so years about the Clintons' "legacy," there's no chance in hell that she will be anything less than amazingly supportive of Obama's foreign policy. She will defer to him in all matters including hiring of her staff.

Get it? Got it? Good.

-AF
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud

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First and foremost, O'Hanlon is a tool of the highest order.

Secondly, get a grip folks. I cannot believe how anxious and overly concerned everybody is getting over each and everyone of Obama's cabinet picks. The guy just ran the smartest, most effective political campaign in all of American history. He's not throwing darts here. Obama has had 2 f*cking years to put together his cabinet wish list. Do you honestly think he's picked these candidates impulsively?

I will miss Hillary Clinton as my Senator. But now she's truly on the world stage. For all the truth and all the malarkey thrown about in the last dozen or so years about the Clintons' "legacy," there's no chance in hell that she will be anything less than amazingly supportive of Obama's foreign policy. She will defer to him in all matters including hiring of her staff.

Get it? Got it? Good.

-AF
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud

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"Obama has had 2 f*cking years to put together his cabinet wish list."

That's precisely why the appointments, thus far, are so troublesome. I'm all for a team of rivals and a spirited debate in which all sides have their say. The problem is all the appointments are either centrists or conservatives. Why don't liberals have any senior positions?

The major appointments have ALREADY been named and I can't find a movement progressive or liberal among 'em.

Don't get it. Ain't got it. And no, it isn't good.

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I'm not crazy about the Clinton pick. I don't know when she has ever successfully negotiated anything of consequence. I also think this whole Team of Rivals thing overrated (there are administrations other than Lincoln's where it has been absolutely disastrous). Smart people with a diversity of opinions - yes. Big egos on power trips - no.

The best thing I can think of regarding the pick is that Hillary's interests will now be aligned completely with Obama's. If she is successful, she will look good AND he will look good. If she isn't, they both look bad. So her motivation will not be to subvert, but to work to ensure that his policies are successful. Let's hope it will work!

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Not only that, but if she does succeed, that completely undermines any support for a belligerent foreign policy within the Democratic Party. After all, she's probably the party's leading proponent of that policy. If she makes Obama's policies work instead, what do the warmongers have left?

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I don't think there is anyone left. Obama has already taken them all.

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