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Can Franken Win? Yes, He Could. Maybe.

So what exactly is going on in the Minnesota recount, and can Al Franken overcome GOP Sen. Norm Coleman's statistically tiny lead from the initial vote count?

The answer is a definite maybe. Here's why.

Franken got a big boost yesterday when the first wave of recounting cut Coleman's lead from 215 votes down to 174, with over 80% of ballots left to be sorted out. Franken's gains came from ballots that weren't marked well enough for a machine to clearly pick up but were obvious to the human eye (what is also called an "under-vote").

So what's next?

Today's count will continue, and there's no telling what could happen -- today could plausibly be good for Coleman just as yesterday was for Franken.

Both campaigns are also challenging ballots that their election observers think should be counted for their side or are too ambiguous to be clearly counted for the opponent. Those are as a result of ballots that seemed to have markings for more than one candidate, and as such were rejected by the machines (known as an "over-vote).

After all the precincts are done recounting, those challenged ballots will head to a single state canvassing board for review in one place. And it seems very likely that there will be more of those ballots than the final Coleman-Franken margin from precinct-level recounts.

By the way, if you want to see what these challenged ballots look like, Minnesota Public Radio has posted photos. Some of them seem like they'll be easily called for either Coleman or Franken -- possibly more of them for Franken -- once they go to the canvassing board in December.

So how should we expect all these under-votes, over-votes and challenged ballots to break? Well, a lot of the roughly 35,000 under-votes will probably be found to be intentional -- people who cast a vote for president, then skipped the Senate race. But many other will be found to have some kind of discernible vote.

A Dartmouth study found that voters in Democratic areas were more likely to fail to properly register their votes in a way that could be picked up by the machines, analyzing not only this race but also the 2006 Minnesota elections as a baseline. The authors then predicted that the recount would resolve those votes with a small break in favor of Franken -- but they did not venture to guess just how much of a break it would be, and whether it could swing the race.

Nate Silver calculated early on in this whole sordid process that it was actually quite difficult to figure out Franken's odds -- depending on the model used and the set of assumptions about those ballots, a Franken win was anything from a shoo-in to a lost cause. But a Franken victory, assuming the resolved rejected ballots break in his favor as everyone expects, it not out of the question.


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I'm waiting for Coleman to tell the telly "Every vote should be counted."

You know what that means.

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You betcha.

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Yes, He Could. Maybe.

It just doesn't have that same magical ring as Yes, we can.

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I'm not sure why you would characterize Minnesota's recount process as "sordid." It seems to me that, unlike other state recounts we have watched, it has so far been conducted in a very orgainized, ethical and transparent manner.

I like the fact that you can see the recount results on a daily basis and precinct by precinct. Anyone eanting to see who has challened what can see for themselves and even look at many of the challenged ballots.

The election is painfully close, surely. But what makes that "sordid" exactly?

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I read that as a characterization of the prediction process, which is what Nate Silver is trying to do, predict an unpredictable end result.

I agree the actual process Minnesota is following seems to be very civilized and lightyears ahead of Florida 2000.

Looking at those examples, I think it would be interesting to test poll the same markings with the names reversed or actual candidate names removed. Most are pretty clear to me what the decision should be to an unbiased observer.

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I agree "sordid" is the wrong word. This process appears to be quite advanced and the folks handling it seem to be very professional. A lot of other words come to mind, but "sordid" isn't one of them.

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How about this: we wait until there's a whole lot more votes counted before there's all this diving and naval-gazing about probable winners. It would seem that you're last 2 posts consist of nothing more than a statement of the obvious that Franken might win...or lose...it's really too early to call.

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*your last 2 posts...

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I aprreciate that this post links to the MPR page and other source of info on this recount.

Yeah it's navel gazing, but to me it's more scintillating than awaiting Joe Lieberman's fate or what will Hillary decide, because this decision is actually in the hands of voters.

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I'm pretty sure I went to high school with Lizard People. Civics class, homeroom; I remember it all now.

Lizard People, if you're are out there, know that write-in campaigns are tough. And remember that Congress is already filled with your reptilian brethren.

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I just thought it was a stoner from up north voting for Jim Morrison.

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I swear, if zombie Lizard People ruin this election again, I'll be so mad!

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Thanks for the link to the ballot website, Eric. That is an awesome feature! Actually very helpful for Minnesotans (and the rest of us) to get a clear idea of what's going on.

Also, I too endorse the Lizard People!

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I'm sensing a "Joe The Voter" meme emerging from this recount.

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Think about the guy (or gal) whose ballot that is. They should be able to recognize their ballot, because it's unique! They could step forward and explain their intent. (And, of course, if they did, it might invalidate their vote, due to Minnesota's privacy laws with respect to voting.) (And, of course, any number of people could step forward and claim that it was THEIR vote!)

Still, very interesting.

-- ARG

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Whatever happens with the recount, the result will be within the margin of technical and voter error.

The only fair resolution is to decide the MN Senate contest with a stand-up comedy-off.

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Can Franken Win? Yes, He Could. Maybe.

Nope, wrong framing big boy. Franken already won. Franken won on November 4th; it is just that the vote needs to be actually counted.

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I don't like that they are releasing the count totals as they go along even though they have all these challenges to ballots that need to be reviewed as well.

It seems to me that this introduces the possibility (or at least the appearance) of hanky-panky with the canvassing boards reviewing the challenged ballots if they know exactly how many more votes Franken or Coleman needs to pull ahead. They should not report vote totals until they've all been judged and counted or tossed.

I also think they need to have uniform judgements for the challenged ballots. Looking at the examples on the MPR website, they shouldn't be able to challenge different positions for the same situations (ie, if Coleman wants to throw out ballot #8 where the vote was for Franken, but a small dot was in Barkley's oval he shouldn't be able to argue the opposite position on a ballot where the Coleman oval was fully filled in, but with a dot in another candidate). I've read that they will argue the challenged ballots on a case-by-case basis, but they should also take into account what each candidate's positions were on similar ballots.

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I agree.

The "samples" were very informative. Most cases were pretty clear re voter intent. Some of the "challenges" were just lame. And a camp shouldn't be able to argue for one interpretation of marks in its favor, but another interpretation of the same marks when that past interpretation would favor the opponent.

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Absolutely agree. This would be a case where it would be nice to have random position of names on the original ballots, then remove the names from the ballot before the judges decide how or if the vote should count.

This type of paper trail makes me think that opitical scanning by voting machines with this is the best of both worlds in the argument of computer machines vs. paper ballot.

It's got it all over hanging chads.

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Here is the math: Franken picked up 48 votes in 20% of the sample, thereby he will pick 240 votes and win by 16 votes.

Oh boy, I sound like Flounder in the movie 'Animal House', all chaos will break out then 16 votes...

16 friggin votes.....my guess is that some of that blame could be placed on Bachmann's shoulders as it enlivened a CD and had to have moved 20 votes in her district.

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I can see the same thing. I don't know what the closest Senate race ever, was, but I bet the winner takes it by less than 50 votes. Which would be amazing either way.

I'm not really sold on Franken, but Coleman is such a lying little weasel that I'll take Franken as the alternative.

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We don't know the status of the challenged votes, but I've spent some time following the count in the various districts, and there are some interesting trends.

Coleman's got a lot of overvotes, and he's lost those. Tendencious, in fact.

It could be that this tendency actually strenghtens as the count moves into GOP distrits, and that the losses will then mount for Coleman - against expectations that he'll pick up pace when the count reaches these districts.

You can't extrapolate from yesterday's count - and Coleman's people know it's ultra-close, if not, they wouldn't bother with: "well, he's filled in the Franken oval, but that's got to be an arrow pointing to Coleman, no?" - nonsense.

Franken's count will take off as we go into the GOP districts. The little weasels have been undervoting Franken and overvoting Coleman.

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