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Reid: What Lieberman Did Was "Improper" And "Wrong"

Harry Reid ratchets up the public rhetoric on Joe Lieberman:

"Joe Lieberman has done something that I think was improper, wrong, and I'd like if we weren't on television, I'd use a stronger word of describing what he did," Reid told CNN's John King. "But Joe Lieberman votes with me a lot more than a lot of my senators. He didn't support us on military stuff and he didn't support us on Iraq stuff. You look at his record, it's pretty good."

As noted below, Reid's office has now publicly confirmed that he may ask the other Dem Senators to vote on Lieberman's fate at their full caucus meeting on November 18th. At this rate, Reid will be left with no choice other than to take real action.


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I'd use a stronger word of describing what he did

Translation: I think Joe was an asshole.


This:

"But Joe Lieberman votes with me a lot more than a lot of my senators

I get that. I do. But the times that Joe wasn't with you, Harry, happen to be pretty important times.

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Right, it's not like voting with the Dems on minor issues really matters.

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His own party in Connecticut doesn't even want him. Ditch the guy, recall him, whatever - just be done with him!

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yeah, I agree. seems weird that this guy is still even around. I remember a couple polls showing that Obama's approval rating within the jewish community was higher then Leibermann's...


Watch: Obama Roasted Rahm Emanuel in 2005

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Well, he's not a Democrat.

And he's not a Republican.

He's the lone member of the Connecticut for Lieberman Party. And a Freshman Senator.

He should be treated like a Freshman Senator. With a nice office - Down in the Basement!

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It's not just "minor issues" Lieberman supports. Don't get Iraq myopia.

Like I was saying before, this is going to be Joe's last term as an impotent old fart, regardless.

So, if Joe can understand he is from this day forward an eunuch on FP issues, that his POV was completely repudiated and rejected by the American people, and that he needs to muzzle himself and stick to the issues where he actually has a Democratic mandate, then fine. He can serve out his last term as a Democrat and perhaps even keep some positions for now. Though that's hard to swallow considering there are certainly more capable people waiting in the wings, so even if he maintains the title he'll be greatly diminished in authority.

If Joe doesn't get that and wants to continue being an asshole, then he's an epic FAIL, out of touch with reality, and needs to go.

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btw, I'd add if Joe is allowed to stay, he must be expected to be the #1 cheerleader for the Obama reforms he should be supporting, such as HCI reform, and middle class, bottom-up stimulus.

If Joe can do that, and STFU about Iraq and FP generally, then he can be useful and pitch in whatever credibility he has with moderates to support coming legislation.

If not, then not.

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Unfortunately Joe can't be trusted to do that, even if he says he will. He's a lying SOS, and he needs to go home, now.

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Whatever the procedure may be, Liebersuck must go. That moron, who attacked his opponent in 2006 as a single-issue candidate, not only threw his support behind McScum for a single issue but actively got involved in the fear-mongering smear attacks. Use the words "Democrat" and "Independent," whichever is politically convenient at each situation, and abuses the words "unity" and "bipartisanship" to cling to his vested interests.

I mean, "unity" my ass. I can't stand it when idiots conveniently abuse the word when the *real* unity is urgently needed.

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I received an email back from a friend whom I had desperately tried to persuade about Lieberweinie in the '06 senate race. It was just one line:

I was wrong, you were right.

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Dunno why the above post was posted where it is.

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I can appreciate the old vote-counter in Reid. Counting votes is Harry's job.

Joe's votes should be factored in, I guess, but they don't come close to excusing his disgraceful conduct on the campaign trail and at the GOP convention. He told vicious, ugly lies to discredit our presidential nominee.

Let the caucus decide. Even better, have the new Senate Democratic Caucus decide Joe's fate in January.

This shouldn't be a firing, it should be a formal shunning ritual by the whole group. Every Democrat in the Senate should look Joe in the eye and tell him to his face exactly what he thinks.

Make Joe extinguish a torch and walk away alone.

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hey the irving cowgirls...soon to be the arlington cowgirls

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On second thought, we shouldn't wait until January for the shunning ritual.

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It's not just votes, it's also the politics and optics of purging, which never plays well with moderates.

Again, if Joe has the sense to realize he's lost on FP issues, and forever more just STFU about them and limit himself to supporting other Democratic mandates, then fine. We're not trying to run the party like Gingrich or De Lay did on ideological purity because look where it got them.

But if Joe wants to continue to be a PITA and refuse to acknowledge his POV lost or refuse to respect the new CIC from his own party, that's too much.

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I strongly agree with at least one thing you said. This should be decided in January, or at least after December 2nd, and here's why: We still have a chance at 60 seats!!! Everyone here should go to 538.com and read what Nate Silver has to say about the remaining three uncalled Senate elections. Nate got the whole shebang right with the election and he says we still have a chance. Minnesota: Only about a 200 vote gap with 100 picked up for the dems by a typo found yesterday! State mandated recount in process. Alaska: Stevens is ahead by about 3,000 votes but there are about 60,000 early and absentee ballots yet to be counted. Some of the early votes have been counted and they're running heavily in favor of the dem like other state's early votes did. We still have a chance. Georgia: State mandated run off election on December 2nd. Chambliss won, but it was no kind of a landslide! Obama campaign still has thousands of experienced volunteers throughout the south who could converge on Georgia and the Senate democratic campaign fund still has a big cash advantage over the republican Senate campaign fund. Obama could mobilize blacks and youth and other supporters simply by making it known that it would really help him to win that seat. With everyone on our side watching the news religiously for every word he utters right now, Obama could probably accomplish this with a minimum time investment that could likely be mostly ads. We've waited two years for this. We should have the self discipline to wait for another three weeks or so. We'd feel pretty foolish if we woke up on December 3rd with 59 Senate seats AND we'd already kicked Lieberman out. I don't think the Senate can prevent Obama from bringing the troops home, but they can surely obstruct any and all economic, healthcare, education, etc. legislation. They've done it for two years and are already gearing up to do it again. Obama is not going to let the dems run wild because he knows that it will ruin long term plans and goals. I'd rather trust Obama to use the veto if he had to than to trust Senate republicans not to use the fillibuster to block important legislation. They definitely will. They've shown their colors for at least two years! Let's take a chill pill until the last three Senate seats are decided!

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Lieberman took himself out of the caucus, even out of the Party, and he has used his leverage these last two years in ways that were whiny, snotty, extortionist, and haughty. He lost his caucus status fair and square, initiated by him and carried through by him, even to denigrate the Party as being incapable of defending the country and questioning the loyalty and patriotism of the Party's presidential candidate.

How much worse could Lieberman have treated the Democratic Party? At least Chuck Hagel was honorable in his disgreements with his fellow Republicans. Lieberman was dishonorable and disreputable, slanderous and self-righteous.

It actually began in 2004 when Democrats responded to his Presidential candidacy with a huge and prolonged yawn. That was when his spite began rising, out of which his contempt for his fellow Party members emerged. His behavior incrementally went from aloof to snide to rebellious, and after 2006 to traitorous. And he loved rubbing it in. He gloated, was sneeringly coy, and exulted in the suffering of Democrats in the wake of his disrespecting them.

I say ditch him and let the chips fall where they may. He's a good reliable Republican vote when it really matters anyway.

Goodbye Joe, you really have to go, we Dems may be a little slow, but now we all do know, that it's goodbye, goodbye Joe.

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Actually, we kicked him out of the party.

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Could not agree more, NewsNag.

Here's the letter I sent to my Senator. (I would have sent it to both, but one of them is President-Elect. Boo yah.) Feel free to copy if you'd like.

Senator Lieberman campaigned for Senator McCain throughout the general election. He questioned the seriousness, experience, and even patriotism of our Presiden-Elect. As recently as Monday - when it was perfectly clear that Senator McCain would lose the election - Senator Lieberman stood behind him and applauded as Mr. McCain encouraged his supporters to fear and loathe Mr. Obama.

And now he wants Senator Reid to *negotiate* about his continued chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee?

No way.

Senator X, when the Democratic Caucus meets on November 18, I urge you to vote against Senator Lieberman remaining in the caucus. As Mr. Lieberman himself has said so many times, actions have consequences. Let November 18 be the day that the consequences of his actions are felt.

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I love this letter. I am sending it to my Senators. One of them has really earned a committee chair of her own. She campaigned hard for Obama, despite the fact that she lost to him in the primary.

Thanks, Lindsay!

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The "full " caucus meeting? Including Lieberman?

If the vote is by secret ballot, Lieberman loses his chairmanship. If by voice vote, things stay as they are.

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The rhetoric is pointless. When are we going to get some leadership that can act? The party cannot trust Lieberman and he doesn't deserve any position of trust. Period.

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Exactly. This isn't rocket science.

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I disagree. I think the incremental approach is fine (as long as it's a matter of days/weeks, not months before Joe loses his chairmanship) and the rhetoric is a tool that moves the process along.

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I don't know. I'd rather Reed speak softly on this and carry a huge effn stick. We don't need to get into a pissing match. The equation is simple: take the demotion or leave the caucus.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

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Ab.So.Lutely.

I mean I think THAT ONE (IDiot-CT) certainly deserves to lose his Chairmanship. If he desides to go play ball with Mitch McConnell, he can see how popular he is with his new brothers when he is voting against Reid on Military/Iraq issues and with Reid on all the other stuff. I'm sure the Republican Caucus will be happy to hand a 90% Dem the keys to their cloakroom and a plum "Ranking Member" status on an important committee...

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I submitted before I completed my thought: He deserves to lose his Chair. That should, by rights, be the decision of the caucus as a whole with Reid using his voice as he feels is appropriate. Then let THAT ONE decide who he wants to caucus with...

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Yeah I agree Reid's incremental approach is for the best.

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Are you kidding? I LOVE the rhetoric. I don't want to him to lose his position so quickly. That's too painless. I want him to suffer first. I know that's not the most mature attitude, but GOD I am enjoying this. Just give me a few more days of humiliating statements and leaks about Joe the Backstabber and then I promise I will move on.

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I'll bet his office's server is starting to overflow a little with all of the e-mail. . .

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I have already sent an email to my Senator Claire McCaskill urging her to take any action available to her to KICK THE BUM OUT!

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Does anyone think for one minute that Reid would be telling Lieberman he's losing his chairmanship if he didn't have the backing of the caucus? Or that he'd be putting it to a vote if he didn't already know how the vote was going to turn out? I'd bet there's a lot of sentiment in the caucus to toss him out altogether.

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What you said!

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At this rate, Reid will be left with no choice other than to take real action.

Greg - there is another way to look at this - Lieberman is getting a very public wood-shedding. I love this and if Reid had acted immediately, we wouldn't have all this time to luxuriate in Loserman's discomfiture.

:)

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Excellent point. Lieberman is being shamed in public. I do wish, however, that Reid wasn't so hung up on the times that leiberman votes with the caucus -- it's a new day comin', Harry.

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Exactly.

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FINALLY, a Lieberman story today!! ;-)

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It's best for everyone to act quickly. Lieberman is a distraction from pressing economic issues. The longer they take to make a decision the more opportunity Joe and his Republican friends have to make trouble. The country has more important things to worry about than a narcissist like Lieberman.

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You've gotta remember that most people in the country (outside of political types like us) are completely oblivious to this and aren't losing a wink of sleep over it.

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I'm not losing any sleep over it and I doubt anyone else is. It's a soap opera - entertaining but no one would ever mistake it for something really important.

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No better time to throw him under the bus than when nobody's looking.

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Throw him under a Bush, I say!

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On the contrary. The best time is when everyone is looking.

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Nobody is looking? Are you kidding?

This is exactly the time when people are wondering what the tone of the new Admin and new Congress will be.

This is exactly the type of issue pundits watch closely, which then turns into a general consensus and "narrative" coverage that ultimately filters down through the MSM to shape the opinions of most people.

I think you may have a bad case of up-is-down-syndrome.

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It'll be over by November 18th at the latest when the caucus votes, but my money says it'll be resolved before then.

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Surgery is scheduled for Nov 17. If he gets to keep anything it will only be by leaving his balls in a jar on Reid's desk. Granted, it will be a very small jar. :-)

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Ok this is about my 3rd post here in the year I have been reading this blog daily. You just caused me to laugh so hard I coated my keyboard with my weekly beer -- not nice of you at all --it will be sticky till next time I pop all the keys out to clean it. Thanks for belly laugh.
--Savage

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BlueSkies - our playas run this bitch.

The Republicans you are so worried about are in the minority.

Congress is not in session.

There are Republicans who I believe will vote with us. Several. We may pick up two more senators.

Nothing has to be done yesterday. It's best to let things take their course.

jeez.

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The new Congress is not in session. The Lame Duck Congress is, but the name says it all.

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Tena is spot on here (as are many folks upthread). There is no downside to letting the former Democratic VP nominee twist publicly. The vast majority of the country outside of the beltway, CT, and folks who are super-tuned in to stuff like this just don't care. They don't even know this is happening. This is "inside baseball" to them. Will he be a chair or won't he? Who will he caucus with? Who cares? Obviously we do. But 95% of the people who voted on Tuesday couldn't give a shit about this... It is procedural. It doesn't reflect on Barack. It really only reflects on Al Gore's former running mate. (I'm done saying or typing his name. He disgusts me.)

So let him twist.

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No way.

Lieberman was on the Dem ticket in 2000. Kicking him out would be a major political story.

This is exactly the kind of fluffy story on "tone" and "optics" that pundits obsess over, which then becomes accepted wisdom and the "narrative" script the MSM follows, which ultimately has tremendous influence on public opinion.

Saying this is just "inside baseball" is totally missing the big picture.

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PS, that's why it's so important to go through due process, just as if you had to consider firing a long time employee for misconduct.

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Who gives a shit about the "narrative" Let the villagers twist in the wind. They're day is over.

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And I'd rather kiss one of those other Republicans' asses to get to 60 when we need to than keep on kissing Lieberman's. We're going to have to kiss two or three of them, anyway, because we're not going to get to 59. There's no reason Lieberman's ass should always be first in the line to be kissed and every reason it should be kicked with a steel toed cowboy boot.

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Agree with Tena, and BlueBells is talking fevered nonsense again.

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I'm sorry to have to point this out, but Bluebell, what have you been right about over the years since you started posting here?

If memory serves, you've been wrong on just about every issue I'm aware of, from candidate endorsements to policy predictions. And you're pretty hotheaded.

Maybe you should ask yourself why?

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Throw the bum out!
What a pathetic character he is!

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Traitor Joe is a man without a country. The Rs will let him caucus with them, so long as he keeps the coffee and doughnuts coming.

Also, good luck running for reelection in Connecticut in 2012 as a Republican with no seniority who called Barack Obama dangerously unprepared. Yeah.

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I think we will all be sitting back at Thanksgiving expressing gratitude for Joe having gotten what he deserved!

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Word!

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What if they offered him a job to get him out of the Senate? Who would get the Senate seat?

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No friggin way. You don't reward him with a promotion. And he's not going to take a job that's a step down.

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Barack could offer him a job, wait until he is replaced and then immediately can him... That would be amusing.

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The Obamas ARE getting a dog, and I'm sure they will need a Presidential Pooper Scooper for the White House lawn. That sounds like a position for which Traitor Joe is uniquely qualified.

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Reid has to continue to play the waiting game. If the longshot of picking up Minnesota and Georgia and Alaska happens, Lieberman would still be useful to the Democrats.

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A really legit question is - how can any politician who has gone out of his way to allign himself so strongly with the most thoroughly unpopular president in history be considered anything but damaged goods? He has a lot of penance to do before he gets away with acting like he's in the Senate leadership anymore.

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Agreed - I think it's clear that the caucus has said and is saying that it doesn't want to work with him.

His effectiveness is destroyed, basically. He's threatening to caucus with the minority and that's supposed to be leverage?

I don't get the big hurry at all.

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It's true - we really want to see Joe finally get his comeuppance. But we shouldn't be greedy. We got our birthday present this week. We must be patient now waiting for the Christmas present.

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Let's not forget one big reason that Reid and the caucus want to come down hard on Lieberman -- McCain's first choice for VP was Joe, and Joe was ready to say yes. In his own mind, Joe was already a Repub.

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He's a pre-op Repub, but he's already taking the shots (Jingo Juice and IQ B-Gone).

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He's a pre-op Repub

ROFL!! Love it.

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I agree with Tena, a long, very public, beating over a barrel is what the little turd deserves.
How about once, just once, the Democratic Steering & Outreach Committee do something important:

Dump. His. Ass.

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Hey peeps - we just got one of Nebraska's EVs -

365, bitches!!!

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NEBRASKA, FUCK YEAH! (Well, the second district).

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Best part is that it puts a dot of blue right in the heartland. (Not to be confused with that sea of hearland blue in IN, IA, OH, etc., etc.)

Real America THIS bitches.

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I'm telling you - that NYT map of how much bluer we are than in '04 is a revelation. I hope a lot of people really look at that map, including state governments. I want them to look at that map and figure out if they want to keep their states as backward as possible or if they want to realign with the rest of the country.

I'm talking to you, Texas. You want to wind up aligned with Appalachia and Oklahoma? Well, you know what to do -


[I realize I just dissed part of the country - sorry.]

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A successfull first Obama administation could turn Texas blue in 2012. All of the major states would then be in the Democratic E.V. column.

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I don't think it's dissing whole parts of the country to point out that what's happening with elderly, white, uneducated, conservative voters in places like Appalachia and Oklahoma ain't the same thing as how young, educated, and far more open minded people think in those same areas.

I met a young college educated woman from Alaska recent who abhorred Palin and people like her. Palin and her ilk are dead enders, in every part of the country.

Texas, and even Appalachia and Oklahoma will end up where places like CA and NY are now, it's just a matter of time.

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No good to "throw him under a Bush..."

We already know he LIKES it there!

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Well... make it a small "b" and I kinda like it under there too!

;)

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"I was born in a briar patch... I love it! So scratchy... Just don't throw me somewhere soft and fluffy..."

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haha! I just got banned from this local right wing site for, I guess, laughing at their faux outrage over this Nancy Reagan thing.

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Round of applause, please, for hyperRevue2!

Actually, this is only day 3....they'd better pace themselves or they're going to be out of faux outrage by the end of his first term.

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Word!


Hooray for hyperRevue2!!!!

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which one? I could join and keep the flame alive!

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Eh, what the hell---- gop3.com

:)


(Why am I hyperRevue2 at home and hyperRevue at work?)

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Okay, I left a comment and it said: is awaiting moderation. I guess that means it won't get posted :)

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Interesting. Maybe he's just turned moderation on, because comments used to post immediately.

I had responded: "haha! You think that's "harassment"? Seriously? Man, this is most pathetic case of phony outrage I've seen yet from you guys. And that's saying something, considering the "lipstick on a pig" bullshit."


And it went up fine then disappeared. So, I dunno.

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Wow, he was poetic in his response to you wasn't he? What an prick.

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There are a couple posters on that blog who aren't lunatics - he's obviously not one of them.

It's mostly a blog I go to when I'm really bored at work.

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I've already written to Harry Reid's office.

Lieberman must go. Period. What he did during the election completely and utterly overshadows his voting record and any other considerations.

He supported McCain. Annoying, but livable.

He said he'd speak at the RNC, but not attack Obama. Annoying again, but okay.

He spends much of his RNC speech...attacking Obama. Unforgivable.

He campaigns for down-ballot GOP candidates. Unbelievable.

He engages in Giuliani-like rhetoric directly against Obama in interviews. Unacceptable.

Fuck Joe Lieberman. That turncoat, servile, slimy bitch needs to go STAT. If Harry Reid doesn't kick him out of the caucus, I swear I will spend the next four years doing my best to call attention to Lieberman's double-talk and Reid's lack of a spine.

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One quick point...I know Reid can't actually kick him out of the caucus. He *should* strip LIEberman of his chairmanship, though. Then, that milquetoast Connecticut fuckwad would quit the Dem caucus and probably go to the GOP caucus - thus increasing the average IQ of both groups.

Lieberman should not be thrown under the bus.

Lieberman should be attached to the front of the bus...which should then be rammed through two 2-inch double-pane security-glass walls...and then through a brick wall...and then over a cliff.

Which is to say, I don't want him twisting. The longer he twists, the more

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(lol...last graf got cut off)

Which is to say, I don't want him twisting. The longer he twists, the more he might be able to wiggle and ooze his way back into the reasonable graces of the caucus. Cut him loose...and prepare to donate to Ned Lamont in 2012.

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Really the Right operates best from their true standpoint which is victimhood and faux outrage. They were trying to do that when they were in charge, which was very schizophrenic. I think they just need to be the permanent opposition.

It's where they are happiest and most comfortable.

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That is a keen insight.

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Getting down to the really important stuff, didn't Lieberman vote for every single one of W's Supreme and Court of Appeals picks, including Alito, Janice Brown, and Brett Kavanaugh? Next to that, the loathesome things he did on the campaign trail are nothing in the big picture. Of course he'll vote against any and all of Obama's judicial picks no matter what happens, but at least he won't do so as a top Senate dog.

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Exactly. He's going to be Obama's "loyal opposition" come hell or high-colonic so let's boot him now rather than be the bastard's enablers. Make him oppose President Obama as an outsider rather than as an insider.

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Lieberman defection increases
the average IQ of both groups.
Niiiice line.

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I find this interesting and the best argument I've seen for taking some time over this -

And by the way, it's looking like the full caucus vote will include the new Democratic Senators-elect. This decision, after all, will be about committee leadership assignments in the 111th Congress, and will be as much their business as anyone else's.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/7/162019/990/1022/656995

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Good point. I can write my new senator (previously my congressman) about this. He's used to hearing from me.

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Lieberman is an asshole!

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Did you all see that McCain is going to campaign for Chambliss? I want that ass beat!!

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My friends, I know I fucked up badly. But believe me: Saxby Chambliss isn't concerned with the [make quotey marks with fingers here] "Woman's health." That's why you should vote for him, my freinds. Because he doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone but rich, white, real Americans.

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I absolutely love it that Bush shopped his autobiography to Knopf and they said: No thanks.

That is Clinton's publisher and he got a god awful amount of money for that book. And they told Bush they didn't think his story was worth it.

Not any time soon, any way.


LMAO!!!!!

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That left a mark, don't you know? hee hee!

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Who publishes Dr. Seuss books? Maybe they'll publish George's bio!

This particular President of the States
was seen making ten thousand mistakes.

What's even worse, behind closed doors
he made a hundred thousand more!

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Maybe the publisher of the Curious George books would like to follow up with an Incurious George series?

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No, he'll end up at Regnery. And the book will end up in the remainder bins in two months.

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Maybe the Worst President Ever can get more interest when he's shopping his autobiography from behind bars at the Hague. He ought to contact Macmillan, which published convicted war criminal Albert Speer's Inside the Third Reich.

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I think he should be thrown off his chairmanship and out of the caucus. He chose his side by speaking at the Republican Conventyion and then campaigning with McCain. He's no Democrat anymore.

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Indeed, the ONLY reason he's caucussing with the Dems is because they're the majority party. He'd be caucussing with the Repubs if THEY were the majority party. In other words, he has no allegiance - so he deserves none in return.

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I mean caucusing. That caucasion has got me cussing.

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These Republicans just don't get it (some, not all). Obama was elected three days ago and they are all over his ass. They will never work with a Democrat, and obviously they like things just the way they are, pathetic.

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Uh oh...

Harry Reid just made a sternly worded statement about Lieberman.

Which means we're screwed.

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According to Nate (538.com), Ted Stevens lead is shrinking and he may lose in the recount. That would bring the senate seats to 58.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/uncounted-votes-may-push-begich-past.html
If that seat in GA goes blue and somehow Frankin wins his seat in MN that would be an awesome ending to this election cycle.

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I have a theory that Stevens pulled ahead in the last hours when it was clear Obama had won. Alaska polls ended an hour after Obama was declared the winner at 11 pm est. I think there may have been a groundswell in the last couple of hours of "divided government" votes. Especially in Wacko, AK.

I may be wrong - haven't seen anything to substantiate this. But it's one more reason why I think polls should all close at the same time. The potential influence of almost-instant results is too great.

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If the government can - and it can cause it does - handle the mass mailing of IRS statements and checks, it could handle an election by mail. Then the whole damn country is announced at once.

That would radically change some things about campaigning -

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A KUDO listener called Randi Rhodes yesterday saying that when Ohio was called for Obama, Alaskans just stopped going to the polls. The word is that Steven's big support came from the ample backwoods, who tend to vote early/absentee because they never know what the weather will be like on election day, and travel to the voting places may be difficult.

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Check out what Nate Silver at 538.com has to say about this. Some of the early votes have been counted and they're coming down heavily in favor of the democrat. Cross your fingers. Nate's been almost exactly right about all election statistics and he says we still have a chance at 60! Let's wait and see what we know after the last vote's counted on December 2nd in the Georgia run off because then we'll know what we're dealing with.

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Whether Lieberman remains Independent, returns to the Dems or becomes an apostate, he will not be re-elected four years from now.

Recall the bastard!

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They can't Recall the bastard!

Connecticut has no recall provision.


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More specifically, the US Constitution has no provision for recall of United States Senators.

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I don't know why there are any Democrats struggling with this. It's simple.

I've heard some say that Lieberman could always be counted on to vote with Democrats on the environment and that he was pro-choice. But, what difference would that make if he had helped McCain win? The Supreme Court would end up tipped so far to the right that choice would go right out the window. And we'd be stuck with Palin as veep and possibly president.

Lieberman's support for McCain wasn't a trivial matter. He was wishing for and working hard for something to happen to this country that would have been catastrophic. And now he acts like there was nothing to it.

How about this for a reason to shitcan him: he can't be trusted.

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Man, "ef Loserman"!

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The Independent from Connecticut may vote with the Democrats more than the Republicans a certain amount of times but if you are to be a chairman of such a critical committee as Homeland Security, more is needed than a hankering or a tendency to do something for a group you support sometimes.

The best way to get rid of Joe is to develop a coherent plan to reform the Department as an initiative of the Democratic Party and ask Joe if he is willing to make every effort toward executing it. When he objects, his removal will be self selected, not a partisan payback.

Lieberman is a form of life that depends on the maintenance of a very particular environment. Think of a fish in a bowl. No need to chase the fish if you can change the pH or temperature by a few degrees.

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Since Sen. Reid can't "grow any", maybe he could borrow some balls for once in his weak-sister life.

REALLY. . . . I thought Obama was going to be the
man of CHANGE. . . . .

Kick Lieberman's fucking ass, and lets get on with
being honest and forthright with the people who've elected you.

Possibly to truthful for politicians -

Buckheaddad

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Bye, bye Lieber Man

anything than beeing a beloved man LOL

or better just

G T H

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Lieberman has been on a consistent and very public anti-Democratic Party and anti-Democratic voter path for three years.

He has no appreciation for the historic opportunity the party now faces. And, he could have been much less public in his opposition to the party.

That he votes with most of the Democrats should not change, if indeed he is a man of principle.

Reid fails the test of party leadership, if he can not stop hemming-and-hawing. Out of recognition of and respect for Lieberman's own choices, Reid and his colleagues need only say that Joe has no role in the party and that his actions have made that preference perfectly clear.

The only other defensible alternative is for Obama to offer Lieberman a comfortable, but meaningless, role in the administration. After all, Obama has said that he would include Republicans in his government.

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So, Obama apologized Nancy Reagan for the joke.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/07/obama-apologizes-to-nancy_n_142280.html

The joke was just funny, nothing he needs to apologize for, no biggies. Then again you could instantly see how those nutjobs would react (hint: humor demands maturity and intelligence). He's a class act and in fact smart quickly apologizing.

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Obama was just being proactive and beat critics to the punch. Plus, in his conversation with Nancy he had an opportunity to be gracious, humble, and demonstrated what it means to take personal responsibility -- that sets a good example for all of us.

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Inside baseball I know, but as a former member of CT State Dem Central, one of the most important developments was that Audrey Blondin, a Dem State Central Committeewoman, who was 100% lieberman in the 04 pres. primaries (when I and many others on State Central would not even do the hometown favorite bit in NH), came out this summer with a motion in state central DEVESTATING Lieberman. I.E. His remanent support of most ardent die hards in CT Dem poliics is now gone (and not a minute too soon)!

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HOLD ON! The sixty seat fillibuster breaker isn't sealed in stone yet. What's the rush? The recount in Minnesota is just as likely to go dem as repub. Today, 538 is saying that the votes left in Alaska may well be weighted toward the dem instead of Stevens because some of the early votes have been counted and they're going heavily dem. If we pick up those two, that's 59 senate seats with Lieberman. That leaves Georgia which I admit is a long shot, but the Senate Campaign Committee has a wad of money to spend on it and we have a ground game. We'd feel almighty stupid if we did make it to 59 without Lieberman after we'd already kicked him out don't you think? This shouldn't be more about revenge and punishment then it is about passing laws to help the people, economy and the whole country. Should it????

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The 60-seat threshold really doesn't matter.  Here's an excerpt from Josh on today's front page:

And the truth is that filibuster-busting votes are often made on an ad-hoc basis rather than on a party line.  In any case, there'd be no more reason to trust he'd be there as a 60th vote as a Democrat than as a Republican.

LieberSchmuck is gonna vote for and against cloture as he sees fit, regardless of whom he caucuses with.  The Hmoeland Security chair is too important to leave in the hands of that douchebag.

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If not this time, the 2010 election is probable to bring the 60 seat majority. Repubs are defending around 1/2 dozen competitive seats and Dems only 1.

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Sorry, goof. Should read that that would be 59 seats without Lieberman/60 with Lieberman.

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OUT with him.

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It seems like a no-brainer for Reid: show Senator Palpatine to the airlock. End of problem.

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Reid claims Lieberman votes with him most of the time, except for that one thing that has killed thousands of Americans, hundred of thousands of civilian, and cost trillions of dollars along with our moral leadership.

I'd say that outweighs virtually every Democratic vote Joe has ever cast.

Reid, if you do not lead on this, you must step down from YOUR leadership position. This country has elected an anti-war president. Elections have consequences.

Do your job.

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they should have already bounced this guy.
you want his actions to set the standard on how to treat the democratic candidate and now president to stand??

so i n the future ANY dem. can act the way he has toward the nominee with no worry of payback????.

get real people, this is a major insult to Obama.

he must go!

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Dammit, I hate senator speak. That sounded to me like Reid is leaning towards a slap on the wrist for Lieberman. My prediction... Reid gets challenged on his leadership position, by Sen. Clinton, who will chop Lieberman's balls.

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You people sound like bitter drunks. Luckily, you're just a bunch of losers with too much time on your hands commenting on the internet. Meanwhile, the adults, and Harry Reid, will deal with this in a deliberative manner.

It's good to know, though, what you really think about overcoming partisanship, finding common ground, and focusing on good governance; to know how shallow your support for Obama really is.

So just keep shitting on the spirit of unity. Go ahead and focus on petty revenge. And keep hammering on all these symbolic gestures and tests of loyalty. It's befitting of jesters.

Sound and fury.

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Look, I recognize that your condescension is sincere, and even if a bit boorish, it is coming from a good place. And yes, if it were Obama's choice alone, he might do as you indicate.

But as others have said above, this isn't a close one. And Josh is right. He can't keep his chairmanship, period. I read that Reid is tryinig to negotiate letting him keep it in exchange for some petty demotion on a subcommittee.

That won't wash. Reid has got to wake up if he doesn't want to lose his own Senate position. This guy *has* to lose his chairmanship and and if he then wants to go join his beloved minority party of hatred, anti-intellectualism, and name-calling, he shouldn't permit the door to strike his faithless, meglomaniacal, odiferous ass as he exits. Smirking, un-electable fucking fiend that he is.

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A few weeks ago, Lieberman was accusing Obama -- who campaigned for him when few others would do so -- of being, in essence, a traitor and a terrorist. He was overtly claiming that the US would not survive a 60-vote democratic senate (even if that is what the voters mandated) and threatening then to break with the caucus. He wanted to be on the Republican ticket, for God's sake, serving up a platform that is contrary to the better part of his own voting record.

Well, the voters have spoken, and the Democrats will have a solid (if not filibuster-proof) majority in the Senate, and the prodigal son wants to return to the fold. Fine, but he's not by any measure a Democrat, and a sub-committee chair and an opportunity to caucus with the majority are more than he deserves.

Let's reserve our bi-partisanship for those who opposed on reasonable grounds, not for slanderers. Give Hagel or Snowe or Lugar or any of the honorable Republicans the spoils, but NOT LIEBERMAN.

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Joe is the poster-boy for everything that was wrong about the last eight years, a craven weasel who has no principles beyond self-advancement and aggrandizement. Unfortunately, Reid is only a little bit better. Let the caucus--the NEW caucus--decide the fate of the snivler. And let them consider new leadership while they're at it.

It's a new day. Time for a new broom.

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"My prediction... Reid gets challenged on his leadership position, by Sen. Clinton, who will chop Lieberman's balls."

That would be nice, Reid really doesn't have a pair, and Clinton has "Thatchers" the size of church bells.

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I too would like to see Clinton and/or Feingold in the Democratic Senate leadership. Reid needs to put his head down on his desk and take a rest.

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Feingold!

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Sixty, schmixty. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, Joe.

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Yep.

I don't think party regulars or the "new voters" are going to stand for any candy-assed compromise where filthy Traitor Joe has a chairmanship.

Frankly, it's ridiculous.

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It will be interesting to see if Rahm plays any behind-the-scenes role in this. Given that he's such an intensely loyal Democratic bulldog, I can't believe that he doesn't have some strong opinions about what Lieberman tried to do to his new boss, and I also bet that the last thing he wants is Lieberman launching investigations of Obama as chair of the Homeland Security committee.

Mr. Multipliars, your sanctimonious invocation of a "spirit of unity" is a ludicrous joke. Lieberman didn't just disagree with Obama; he publicly questioned his patriotism, tried to smear him with the "socialist" tag, and did everything he could to help Sarah Palin (and the lunatic-in-chief William Kristol) get within a heart attack of the Presidency. You sound exactly like the Republicans who yammer about bipartisanship only when they're out of power. When they've got the whip hand, as they did from 2000 to 2006, Republican bipartisanship is as rare as abstinence in whorehouse.

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And you sound like a hypocrite who supports bipartisan rhetoric only as a means to secure partisan ends.

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This just in (via WashingtonMonthly.com): the GOP's shiny new spirit of unity and bipartisanship!

"Jon Kyl, the second-ranking Republican in the U.S. Senate, warned president-elect Barack Obama that he would filibuster U.S. Supreme Court appointments if those nominees were too liberal.

Kyl, Arizona's junior senator, expects Obama to appoint judges in the mold of U.S Supreme Court Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and Stephen Breyer. Those justices take a liberal view on cases related to social, law and order and business issues, Kyl said.

"He believes in justices that have empathy," said Kyl, speaking at a Federalist Society meeting in Phoenix. The attorneys group promotes conservative legal principles.

Kyl said if Obama goes with empathetic judges who do not base their decisions on the rule of law and legal precedents but instead the factors in each case, he would try to block those picks via filibuster."

But the really important thing is that Obama supporters are so awfully partisan, isn't it? What would we do without the wonderful Republican devotion to working together to solve our problems?

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Well, the republicans really want to be the permanent minority party centered in the south. I think that they should follow Graham's lead. Shut the f*ck up right now and figure out what the heck they want to do. What a bunch of buffoons.

Kyl obviously doesn't know sh*t. Ginsberg, breyer and souter are hardly flaming liberals. What's so bad about caring for the individual. That's the whole gd purpose of the Supreme Court and third branch of government. The Supreme Court is the brake against government oppression of individuals and wanton majority rule oppressing minorities that could happen through congress. Un-freaking-believable. I was hoping kyl would get smacked in 06. He almost lost and Arizona is trending blue. He keeps this up and he will be history in 2012.

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This isn't about how partisan Republicans choose to behave. And the shortcomings of others should never be used as justification for compromising a rational approach. Your reasoning is as bad as all those torture apologists.

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On traitor joe, I think we need some musical accompaniment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwnqqj5Q1BU

Bye, bye traitor joe.

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Listening just now to Bob Edwards' special podcast in honor of Studs Terkel, these words from a July 2005 interview struck me particularly:

What would you call Joe Lieberman? If I would loathe one person, it would be Joe Lieberman; I think more than, if that's possible, more than Rove or Bush.

I think I'd call him "traitor" -- but Studs had him pegged early on.

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I've dislike Lieberman since he ran with Gore. He always struck me as self-absorbed and holier-than-thou. I've LOATHED Lieberman since he became Sore Loserman and dispensed with any pretense of being loyal to his party.

He not only disagreed with his party on particular issues, he was a shameless shill for McCain and Palin (an idiot whose not-unlikley assumption of power could have place our country at great risk). With Joe, it is and has always been all about Joe. The irony of that weasel backing a ticket the motto for which was "Country First" is deep and rich.

Personally, I think he should be shunned like an Amish whore for as long as possible and then publicly humiliated by stripping him of power. Make him grovel; then boot him. Hell, I'll buy popcorn, sit back and enjoy.

However, the timing of the public emasculation should be when, and not before, the party's best interest can be maximized. If that's now, tee it up now. If that's a year from now, after the Dem's have had a chance to demonstrate to the public that they can govern in a more bi-partisan fashion, let it be then. As they say, revenge is best served cold.

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I want to believe that this is NOT yet more dithering from Harry. But I've been disappointed so many times in the past when his tough rhetoric was followed by caving and accomodation. Come on, Harry, you will NEVER have a stronger hand of cards to play than you have now. Pull the trigger on this *sshole and be done with it.

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I ran across a much better argument to strip Joe The Lieberman of his chairmanship. He hasn't done anything there for the last two years, and we don't want him to sabotage the new administration.

Not that punish, etc. is a bad argument, but it is looking backwards. I'm happier with a a forward-looking argument.

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Yeah, that's a good way to "paper" the file, but the truth is that no "argument" is necessary.

Just dump Traitor Joe from the Chairmanship right now and be done with it.

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The bottom line is that Lieberman cannot be trusted. I don't know what there is to say about it. What does he have to do to make Reid a believer? If he bent over any further for the Repubs he'd be able to see the dark side of the moon.

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He's like a fox in the hen house. Take away his committee chair. And just tell him to vote his conscience but not come to the caucus meetings.

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Exactly. He steps down from his chairmanship, and doesn't caucus with the Dems.

Or maybe he does. But the important thing is that he no longer has the chairmanship.

It's time that Congress started holding the President accountable. It was time in 2006. Joe Lieberman doesn't get a second chance to do what so desperately needed doing two years ago.

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“When we are debating an issue, loyalty means giving me your honest opinion, whether you think I'll like it or not. Disagreement, at this stage, stimulates me. But once a decision has been made, the debate ends. From that point on, loyalty means executing the decision as if it were your own.”

Colin Powell

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What people tend to forget is that after his re-election in 2006, Lieberman saw himself as a brave new force to counter what he saw as the country's (disfunctional) two party system. He wanted to strike out his own and build himself a small, independent caucus (with him as the titular head, of course) which would have had held great sway in a divided senate (along the way, dissing Senator Olympia Snow of Maine, who had for quite some time been holding a quiet, weekly meeting of a small group of 'independent-minded' Senators) So now, with the loss of any influence he might have had, he's whining that his former party should just let 'bygones be bygones'? I guess he tended to forget that, once a traitor, neither side will ever trust him again.

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I was saying this yesterday - A. Lieberman's effectiveness is gone - he destroyed it. Our caucus doesn't want to work with him and Reid has set the stage for getting rid of him.

B. But Reid isn't Delay and he isn't just going to hit him between the eyes with a hammer. Personally, I'd rather see the entire caucus vote Lieberman out rather than just Reid wielding a hatchet - because if the whole caucus votes him out - his whining will not have any effect and it will be a resounding Fuck You to Lieberman.

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I think letting the caucus decide is a much more powerful statement than having Reid do it. Much more like shunning that revenge.

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OT: Lots of protests, in the thousands, here in CA over Prop. 8: there are now three separate suits filed with the CA Supreme Court.

What I find appalling is that a group of people can get an initiative on a ballot, often times by dubious means, and then mislead the general/uninformed public through wording exactly what a measure says, and suddenly you have new law. In this case, an actual amendment to the state constitution. Where does this stop? Alabama just passed a law that gays cannot adopt, they would rather let orphans live in foster homes. At some point, there has to be judicial ruling putting to rest these ridiculous civil rights violations. I don't understand how we have so successfully blurred church and state issues.

In any event, if you are not a member of the ACLU, and can afford to join, it would be most appreciated. They are one of the groups representing the plaintiffs fighting for fairness and equality. Thanks.

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I really ballot initiatives, even though 9 out of the 10 on legalizing marijuana passed.

But basically, Amelie, the problem here is language and framing.

They did it to us with choice - they pulled the conversation away from the law and constitution which are both dispassionate and objective and that's where the conversation belongs.

You let them move it to morality and we lose. That's why the words: marriage and wedding have to be put aside to get this thing moving.

If you drop the hot button words, move the conversation were it belongs - Equal Protection and our right to privacy, we can win this.

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I really hate ballot initiatives -

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Tena: That is what my brother said said too (the Judge), get rid of the hot buttons words, thanks Tena.

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Larry Summers = Dr. Gregory House

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Jonze- you want to expand that comment for me - I've only watched House maybe twice.

I really haven't paid that much attention to Summers. I remember all the outrage over his thing about women and math but since I'm math impaired, it was hard for me to get too outraged, frankly.

So I basically think he looks obnoxious and that's about it - I just don't know that much about him.

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House is enormously abrasive, emotionally stunted, but always right?

That would be my guess.

I hope that if Summers gets rejected, it's not because of the comment that was greeted by what I would call hysteria.

We can't even talk about the possibility of some tendencies having an innate basis? Seriously?

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Exactly.

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Word.

And goddamn it - thank you. We are going to have to face this new knowledge of genetics and deal with it.

We are looking at the culmination of the kind of thinking that brought us the Holocaust - and we can't just sweep it under the rug and pretend we don't know. We don't have perfect knowledge and there's more to know - way more. But there is no good outcome to ignoring knowledge - none. It seems that we're far more genetically wired than we knew, but it's far more complicated than we knew, as well.

We just have to deal with it -

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In the social sciences, people are pretty opposed to even entertaining the notion that certain characteristics may have a genetic component, because, I think, there's a mistaken belief that "genetic basis" = "determinism". Which, of course, it doesn't. But another part of this reluctance rightly stems from concern over what would happen with public policies. And I think this is a reasonable concern.

I think of it this way. Imagine that musical talent had a strong genetic component. Doesn't matter how much of a component it may have if the person never picks up an instrument, sings, or is exposed to music.

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I agree with your comment - all of it.


I read the best damn series of articles about new thinking on our brain's development in the New Yorker - several years ago now. The author developed what I consider an extremely reasonable theory - and it jives with thinking on language development I studied in Anthropology a million years ago. It is the same thing you're saying about musical ability. A person is born with certain genetic possibilities, but environment works on those possibilities in infinite ways. That begins to deal with the determinism factor.

As a child's brain develops, the environment works on the innate capabilities and they either develop or they have no fertilizer, no sunshine to cause them to develop.

I don't do a very good job of explaining this stuff - but it makes sense to me that it is completely interdependent -

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I understand exactly what you're saying.

Stephen Pinker writes about this in "The Blank Slate". Pinker was also one of the few faculty members who defended Summers' remarks. If you haven't read any of his books, I recommend them. He writes beautifully, and explains things in ways that non-experts can understand.

He has his detractors, of course, but I like his work.

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I will.

I really wanted to be an anthropologist and was discouraged from doing it because it has become more about statistics than field work - the golden age is over.

But I'm still very interested in it and other social sciences. I admire you - you are behavioral scientist, you said, and I think that's very cool.

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Amelie - the time for fighting over this emotionally is gone - we're not standing toe to toe with a bunch of howling idiots anymore.

Now is the time to fight smart. We can fight smart and win on equal rights for everybody - but goddamn it - we need to drop the emotion, strong as it is- and get back to using our brains.


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O I give up - everybody hit and ran this morning -

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Give up? There's no crying in baseball!
Get back in there and swing for the fence!

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This is for you, Tena:

"Barack" and "Rahm" mean "lightning" and "thunder" in Hebrew.

H/T Ben Smith.

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O my god! I love that so much - thank you for that.

I just watched Will Smith on Oprah talking about the election and they were both crying and now I'm crying again =

And it's all good. I'm just in love with this damn country right now and after the last 8 years, it's going to be awhile before I stop crying, I think.


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I think they should "PUT AMERICA FIRST" and castrate this moron.

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Multiplier:

You seem like a reasonable person. Can you agree, real Bipartisanship can and should be done while keeping ones integrity? Why would any side agree to a compromise, if they thought their core concerns/values would be compromised away?

A couple of more arrows to deflate your balloon:

This issue isn't really about bipartisanship. Joe is not a Republican, yet, and this is only between Joe, the Independent Democrat, and the Democratic caucus.

It has been noted on the Record that Joe has been a dismal chair for a very important committee. That poor job performance alone should be the deciding factor to oust ol' Joe.

You mention kow-towing to the left as if it's a bad thing. Really? Are you still under the delusion that the left is extreme, un-American, unpatriotic? You are out of touch. The rest of the country has moved left already, in electing Obama.

But it's not about left or right...it's about organizing our own Caucus, and the role that the party members play in making that decision, not just the party elites and office holders. We the base demand accountability in the officials that represent us. Remember that word, accountability? What does it mean? Taking responsibility for your actions. Joe has it coming, and if Reid doesn't do it, I will push my senator Wyden to run for the Senate majority. Not that Widen has a huge chance or desire to topple Reid, but it will undermine Reid's authority, if he can't be a decisive voice and take care of his house.

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"Why would any side agree to a compromise, if they thought their core concerns/values would be compromised away?"

What core value would be compromised?

"This issue isn't really about bipartisanship. Joe is not a Republican, yet, and this is only between Joe, the Independent Democrat, and the Democratic caucus."

Are you actually parsing the word "bipartisan" only so far as it justifies this petty revenge you advocate? We don't need to work out our differences with Lieberman because he's not technically a Republican? Is that it? How convenient.

"You mention kow-towing to the left as if it's a bad thing. Really?"

I didn't mention any such thing, but now that you bring it up, kowtowing in general is a bad thing. All men are equal.

"Are you still under the delusion that the left is extreme, un-American, unpatriotic?"

You are attributing characteristics to me that you cannot support. I am a registered Democrat who supported Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Obama. I donated to and volunteered for the Obama campaign. I have been an activist for the left for nearly two decades on a host of liberal issues ranging from nuclear weapons testing, the death penalty, drug legalization, environmental causes, fair trade, gay rights, and foreign affairs.

"But it's not about left or right...it's about organizing our own Caucus, and the role that the party members play in making that decision, not just the party elites and office holders."

The organization of the caucus is a means to an end. The end is effective governance. I can understand if you can't see how these circumstances can be leveraged as a fair advantage in pursuing both the means and the end, but the better course still would be to take a measured approach; allow things to cool, and re-engage in good faith. I don't see any justification for the kind of childish bully talk I'm seeing here.

"It has been noted on the Record that Joe has been a dismal chair for a very important committee. That poor job performance alone should be the deciding factor to oust ol' Joe."

This is the only fair point any here have made against Lieberman. It might have been better to have avoided undermining this substantive approach with all this talk of "payback."

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Sorry, I was projecting in your reply the Republican rhetoric I'm sick of hearing.

You do sound reasonable. Joe has no standing with Republicans, and I might so far as to say the conservative republicans hate Joe.

If Joe could represent a multiple of votes, if he had influence over a voting block, then that's a different matter. By appeasing to him, you only possibly gain one Senatorial vote on any issue, but no more. The war is an important issue, and Joe doesn't even vote with the D party on that.

So where's the leverage beyond gaining a single vote?

So I think the biggest reason to oust Joe is job effectiveness and that he has no leverage that will help with bipartisanship.

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Oh, obviously Joe is wanted by Republican leadership to join their caucus, and so there is some love their, if a bit shallow, but anyway what I meant is that I highly doubt Joe controls a voting block on either side of the aisle, like many committee chairs seem to do, to get their power.

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Yeah, Joe's a dick, but a lot of Dems would have some 'splainin' to do if I was Mr. Prez-elect O. The damage that HRC and other primary opponents tried to inflict verbally on My Hero would also be unforgivable had she and they not worked so hard to redeem themselves post-primary. There is nothing Joe L. can do to even come close to redemption by the standard HRC set for working for forgiveness.

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Dayenu (Hebrew: it would have been enough):

If he had endorsed McCain, but not spoken at the Republican convention ... DAYENU!

If he had spoken at the Republican convention, but not strongly defended the choice of Sarah Palin ... DAYENU!

If he had defended Sarah Palin, but not joined in the smearing of Obama as a terrorist traitor ... DAYENU! DAYENU! DAYENU!!!!!!!

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Ode to Lieberman ("The Boxer")

I am just a toady
and my toadiness is old,
I have squandered my position
in the Democratic caucus,
such are promises
All lies and jest,
Still a toady shills for anyone
he thinks will help him best ..mmmmmm…

When I left my home
and my family
I was no more than an “I”
In the company of neocons
In the noisy St. Paul RNC, and
telling lies
really low,
seeking out the right-wing zealots
where the richest people go
speaking platitudes
that they already know

Lie-la-lie
Lie-la lie-lie, lie-lie-lie
Lie-la-lie
Lie-la lie-lie, lie-lie-lie, lie LIE-BERMAN.

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It's more than just Lieberman's opposition. It's much, much worse. Lieberman promised his colleagues in the Senate that while he was only "supporting" John McCain, he would in no way ever attack his colleague Senator Obama. He then proceeded to attack Senator Obama's patriotism in the most underhanded ways imaginable, including saying publicly that Obama "always puts his own interests ahead of the interests of the nation." Pretty sinister stuff, and he said this while angling for the GOP vice presidential nomination. Did you know that Senator Obama had campaigned for Lieberman in CT -- one of the very few colleagues who agreed to after years of Lieberman's disloyalty -- during the latter's controversial 2006 Senate race, when he was ultimately denied renomination in the primary but won the seat after being supporting by 80 percent of CT Republicans? Lieberman is a man of deep, deep hates. If you disagree, go back and revisit how he won his seat in 1988 against poor Lowell Weicker. Once a Rat, always a Rat.

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For the first time in elections Democratic party showed some balls during this campaign. Kicking Lieberman out for good is necessary to keep up that strategy. He is an evil we can't afford to be on our side, besides he won't be on our side for long.

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I can't get a feel for what type of a politican or leader Harry Reid is, so I don't know how strongly he feels the need to punish Joe Lieberman. I do know, however, that the Senate is an exclusive club in which they seem to prize decorum and face-saving measures above all else. They don't seem to attack each other unnecessarily, even if it is justified. I'm thinking of Larry Craig in particular, or the latest dilemma over whether or not they are going to expel a convicted felon. So, despite the Democratic faithful's desire to see Lieberman politically tarred and feathered, I just don't know how far Mr. Reid and friends will go. It seems like a no-brainer to me: Senator Lieberman went all in on his good buddy John McCain and got royally flushed. There should be consequences when the first Jewish Democratic vice presidential nominee openly campaigns against and impugns the reputation of the first African-American Democratic presidential nominee and many down-ticket candidates. But, then again, we should have had an exit strategy in Iraq years ago and we should have universal health care, too, so who am I to talk about "should haves"? All I know is that Joe Lieberman is a weiner. I'm guessing he'll lose his chairmanship but still caucus.

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Some of these comments on Lieberman are mystifying. There is no payback or revenge here. He has been telling the Senate Democrats for three years that he has left the party. Over and over and over. If that is not enough, he was and will be a lousy and unreliable committee chair.

Whatever you think of Lieberman - and I cannot really say what I think with total honesty in public - recognize what he is telling us and respect his decision.

He has left the caucus. Good bye, Joe. We really do not need your vote on cloture - which we never had anyway. We don't need you as a committee chair. We don't need your vote on anything now. We doubt you bring anyone along with you. We understand that you will vote the way you want to, no matter what the party leadership believes is best for the American people.

Look and listen carefully to what Joe has said and done -- with utter consistency and candor -- in the past three years. It is an act of recognition and respect to help Joe resolve his inner turmoil.

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I also wrote to Harry Reid's office. I told him Lieberman must go, and if Reid can't manage that he should gather Pelosi with him & together leave the Democratic leadership to actual partisan Democrats who didn't roll over for the Republicans the past two years. Republicans in Democratic clothing Pelosi & Reid have been the past two years. I say they step aside for younger, more progressive leadership, not some chump who's going around saying Obama doesn't have a mandate. STFU Lieberman, Reid & Pelosi. And please leave, you latter two, if you can't lead for a new, progressive president.

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By chance, I was just reading Sunday's New York Times, and I saw the quote:

'Mr. Lieberman said the race was “between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not.”'

Now look, that is beyond unacceptable. There is a reason we call him Traitor Joe. He cannot be in charge of a Democratic Committee, no way, no how. I don't care if Dems have 59 seats, 54, or 69. Unseat him now.

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Realizing how worthless Lieberman was as committee chair is just another good reason to remove him--everything that Bush has been doing over the past two years, and he doesn't feel any need to conduct investigations?
He flat out called Obama unpatriotic, after Obama campaigned for him, and after he promised that he wouldn't personally attack Obama? WTF? He is not a man of his word and not a man of honor.

As for Larry Summers, for those who don't know about him--he was already Treasury Sec. under Clinton, and from what I've read, was complicit along with Rubin in allowing Phil Gramm's awful deregulation bill to pass. The notion that he's the only one who can do the job is absurd, and being promoted by certain Republicans who want to see him back as a way of sticking it to feminists.

His statements on women and math aren't the reason I'm against him being re-appointed, it's because I'd really rather see a new face in that post, and the deregulation that started at the end of the 1990s. I'd also prefer that Obama appoint a new defense secretary right away, and not keep Gates. Again, the notion that a certain person is the only one who can do the job is absurd. I'm all for Republicans working in his administration, just not Republicans who worked so closely with Bush. We need a clean break from all that.

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What am I missing? Why is this an issue?

Lieberman man a calculated choice. He tried hard to prevent his own party from winning the election, and used his committee chairmanship to protect republicans from accountability for misconduct. What's to talk about, except wondering if Reid will grow a pair in holding treasonous behaviour accountable?

Lieberman loses his chairmanship. Period. End of story. Whatever Lieberman threatens or does after that is just Lieberman being what he is.

Beyond that, the only real issue is the quality and principles of Reid's leadership. Reid has made this an issue about him. Yuk.

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