Reid: No Decisions Have Been Made On Lieberman's Fate
Harry Reid and Joe Lieberman just wrapped up a private meeting about what Lieberman's fate will be in the wake of an election where he campaigned aggressively for McCain, said the attacks on Obama over William Ayers were legit and said Obama does not always "put the country first."
The upshot of the meeting? No decisions have been made as to whether to strip Lieberman of his plum committee slots or whether to take any other action.
"No decisions have been made," Reid said, in a statement sent to us by his office. "While I understand that Senator Lieberman has voted with Democrats a majority of the time, his comments and actions have raised serious concerns among many in our Caucus."
"I expect there to be additional discussions in the days to come," Reid continued, "and Senator Lieberman and I will speak to our Caucus in two weeks to discuss further steps."
Meanwhile, in a statement to reporters that just aired on MSNBC, Lieberman called for -- you guessed it -- an end to "partisanship" and for unified action on the economy, adding:
"Those are the standards I will use in considering the options that I have before me."
In other words, Lieberman is already portraying himself as being in the driver's seat right now over what happens to him.
Late Update: Jane Hamsher speculates on what happened in the meeting:
Reid told him he can stay in the caucus if he steps down from his committee chairmanship (a campaign we started shortly after the 2006 election, thanks to everyone who participated with pitchforks and torches). I imagine Reid told him they'll wait to do anything until the other Senate races are decided, but that's the way it's going to go down. Those are the rather well-source rumors circulating, anyway.Joe now goes to see if he can get a better deal from the GOP, knowing his chances of winning in Connecticut as a Republican in 2012 are about "zero."
And Matt Stoller suggests that you sign this letter urging Reid to give Lieberman the push.
Late Late Update: MyDD's Josh Orton reads the tea leaves and says Reid is in fact getting ready to punish Lieberman.















Read: No decisions have been announced on LieberSchmuck's fate.
November 6, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
November 6, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
dunno, I'm not optimistic
November 6, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you on this one.
November 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Harry is going to cave.
Which is too bad.
Because when Lieberman actively called into question the Democratic Party and the Party's nominee, then I think it is absolutely necessary, regardless of whether it affects a 60-seat or 59-seat majority, but I really think--and I say and mean this with all respect to Sen. Lieberman, I really, really do--he should be metaphorically f*cked in the ass over this.
November 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cave which way?
November 6, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I take it you're saying you're not optimistic about holy Joe getting the boot.
My guess is that he gets to stay in the caucus but loses his committee chair.
Any chance you could share with us your reasons for pessimism? Or is it pretty much a calibrated-intuition thing?
November 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
But now that his prospects in the Neanderthal Party grow ever dimmer, won't it be possible to whip him back into line as a junior Dem-on-probation? (Rip off those stripes, boy!) It's better than he deserves but probably good for us overall.
November 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg: Have you seen the email I sent Re: Westboro Baptist intention to picket Madelyn Dunham's funeral?
November 6, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll be extremely mad at Reid et al if they keep Liberman as Chairman of homeland security. This is the same guy that associated Obama with a terrorist.
The guy is a phony asshole...he needs to be thrown out of congress.
November 6, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah but really, before getting worked up about it, I have to ask myself if his Chairing HLS even really matters.
Look at it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_Environment_and_Public_Works
That's a pretty decent committee. Hard to imagine Lieberman throwing much weight around.
November 6, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
oops, wrong link.
Here's the correct link for HLS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_Homeland_Security_and_Governmental_Affairs
November 6, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It Is Time For Him To Go.
November 6, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe, You need to get the fuck out. You and Joe The Plumber can go and find the toilet bowls from where the shit you where spouting this year was obviously coming from. I wish a Pox on your remaining years in the senate.
November 6, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to think Harry Reid left Holy Joe with the options: "We can do this the easy way or the hard way, it's up to you." Elections have consequences, Senator Lieberman.
November 6, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
And thank FSM again that the dems are nowhere close to 60. If they had picked up 9 seats, giving them 58, they would need both Sanders and Lieberman to get them to 60.
Then Traitor Joe would have them over a barrel and be able to extract a million concessions.
With just 6 or 7 new seats, the dems have a comfortable majority withOUT Lieberman, and adding him doesn't help them get to 60.
58 dems would have given Lieberman power. 57 or fewer makes him irrelevant.
November 6, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your argument seems plausible...Liberman must go. He needs to be kicked out of congress
November 6, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude. Did you just offer up alms to the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Awesome.
November 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pastafarians Unite!
November 6, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally, totally agree with you KY. Joe the Lie-berman's status is no longer "all important." He's not being thrown under the bus, he dove there all on his own. Time for Reid to grow a pair and get in the driver's seat and run over this guy.
November 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. Somebody needs to loosen Joe's desperate grip on the underside of the bus, so that we can get him with the wheels.
November 6, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
lol
November 6, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree with you KY Yellow Dog. He is irrelevant and needs to go.
November 6, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not getting the obsession over 60 Democratic seats in the Senate. Veto proof majority against Bush or McCain? Sure. But McCain lost.
We now have President elect Obama heading the largest political realignment in three decades, with an enormous mandate, long coat tails, and a generally moderate, pragmatic, consensus building temperament. We also have an economy in crisis, two wars, and an electorate fed up with politics as usual.
Lastly, no major legislation, such as HCI reform, will pass without bipartisan support, so there's going to be a filibuster proof super majority built in to anything big before Republicans could even think about filibustering or vetoing.
Just don't see a lot of vetoes or filibusters over the next 4-8 years.
November 6, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe the 60 is about the veto...I thought it was about the filibuster.
November 6, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but really, how often will Republicans have any chance at a successful filibuster in the next 4 years anyways? Against the Obama mandate and Democratic control of Congress? And with moderate Republicans already abandoning ship and endorsing Obama in droves? Come on.
Medical Insurance reform? Energy policy reform? Iraq? What?
The wingers will certainly want to obstruct, but realistically any major legislation will have a bipartisan super majority lined up before even coming to the floor.
November 6, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree. They need to kick his ass to the curb.
November 6, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman will be out as Homeland Sec. Chair. If he's not, I will personally go to his hearing room in DC and put a tack on his chair every time he tries to hold a hearing.
Then when he sits down and pokes his wrinkled old ass, I'll yell up to him, "ha, ha, asshole, you think trashing Obama has no consequences?"
That'll show him.
November 6, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
How 'bout a nice Hawaiian Punch?
November 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
HA!
November 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Charley horse!
November 6, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right between his beady little eyes!
November 6, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
8-)
November 6, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, Harry will send him a strongly worded letter.
Jeezus. We desperately need a new, vertebrate Majority Leader in the next Congress. Harry needs to spend more time worrying about his own re-election, which is far from assured.
November 6, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, Hillary would set Joe straight, she would never use associations from the past against a fellow Democrat during a heated campaign. Oh.
November 6, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why the gratuitous slap at Clinton?
November 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it was gratuitous.
There has been much speculation about Senator Clinton replacing Reid as Senate Majority Leader and if Ayres is the issue that broke the back on Leiberman's loyalty, I give Senator Clinton a lot of the credit for pushing that meme during the primary season.
If she can be forgiven, Joe can too if he decides to drop the bullshit about "country first" with respect to Obama.
November 6, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not buying it.
The comments up to that point had been entirely about Reid and Lieberman, and not about Clinton.
And I think the equation of what Lieberman has done with what Clinton did is about as fair as equating the slanderous attacks against Obama with the Obama campaign's negative advertising about McCain. In other words, a false equivalence.
November 6, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
One way or the other Lieberman is already irrelevant. If he's allowed to stay for a while for optics... People need to remember Lieberman is actually OK on many issues. It's mainly been on Iraq and Israel where he's such an a-hole. And besides, this is his last term as a politically impotent old fart.
The main thing for Lieberman to understand is his position not only lost, but was thoroughly rejected by the electorate and no longer politically viable. He needs to respect the will of the people and Obama as CIC.
If he gets that, fine. If not, then it's not an issue of ideology so much as a question of his intelligence, and Joe gets the Ole' Heave Ho.
But let's not make him a martyr for Republican partisanship and "Joes Everywhere" if we can help it.
November 6, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reid will reveal his capacity for leadership on this issue of LIEberman. Reid has shown that he has no real backbone and with Obama in the White House how tough a call can this be...He is letting the GOP and their use of the filibuster control his actions which are certainly NOT putting this country's interest first. Come on Harry, you were a boxer at one time and are you not going to answer the bell?
November 6, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Throw him out out of the caucus, throw him off his Chairmanship. If we need a vote, talk to Olympia Snowe.
Fuck Lie-berman!
November 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can Senator Reid be so hesitant to strip Lieberman of his chairmanships? I thought campaigning for the other guy and calling the now president-elect "dangerous" was a good enough reason to do that, maybe I was wrong. I'll be sorely disappointed if Reid allows Lieberman to continue in a prominent position in Congress. It's really time for Joe and his Joe-mentum to stop caucusing with the Democrats.
November 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I Just watched Josh's vid on this whole thing and he thinks or did back in June, that Lieberman would be out shortly after the election.
He also said that we should contact the members of the Democratic Steering Committee whose decision it is, and let them know we want Lieberman out.
November 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody explain to me why we need this guy in our caucus or how he'd behave/vote differently if we kick him out of our caucus.
November 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'll withhold judgment, I guess, until decisions actually have been made, but if Reid decides to do nothing, that's a heckuva message to send. Had Joe's candidate been successful, the country would have been significantly worse off. Therefore, there has to be some consequence for Lieberman backing a disastrous candidate.
Harry? Not to be crude, but grow a pair, would you?
November 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looking for a word to describe Ol' Joe - somebody with real Yiddish skills help me out please - what's the opposite of mensch?
November 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
The word you are looking for is schlemiel. Or schmuck. Or putz. Or meshuggenah.
Joe Lieberman: Hacken you a chinek since 2004.
November 6, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schmuck works for me. Or mamzer.
November 6, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, folks! I was just perusing a Yiddish dictionary online. Could we also call him a farfoylt nudnik?
November 6, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or, what's the phrase Sonny uses in the Godfather when he asks Clemenza to get rid of Paulie? "I don't want to see that schtutz (sp.??) again. Make that first on your list."
November 6, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reid wants to see how the other Senate races are going to play out - he doesn't want to cut his nose off to spite his face and end up with 59 Senate seats. I couldn't care less about the filibuster-proof 60 senate seats but Harry and Schumer seem to desire it. Of course isn't Lieberman on record saying he'd vote with Republicans if the Dems ever got 60 votes and a filibuster proof bill on the floor?
Lieberman is already framing it so that he'll be the victim. That partisan revenge will be the motive for his ouster and that it will be proof that Obama doesn't put "Country First".
I'd love to be a fly on the wall of these meetings. I want to see Lieberman explain his remarks - the ones he's pretending he didn't make. I'd love to see him walk into an empty room with a television set up and a remote with a note that reads "Press Play", to which a DVD would air showing all of Lieberman's lowest blows during the campaign.
November 6, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anybody in the public that would know about Joe being kicked out are tuned in enough to know at the very least what he said at the Repub Convention. No one due any respect would blame the Dems for tossing his butt out.
November 6, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want Joe gone.
Problem is, Joe will be squealing like a pig if he is booted. He'll make the Dems seem vindictive, partisan, and probably hurt progress once the new assignments are brought in. If there was a way to get him out of there quietly, then it will work. But, what would Reid be able to offer so he'll STFU?
November 6, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the only reason for Reid to tolerate him...he may need him on the Democrats side to control the Senate to keep the repugs locked in the broom closet down in the basement. So Lieberman's only hope for political salvation is if the Democrats reach 59. If they fail to reach that or for some unknown reason they get to the magic number, he's burnt toast.
November 6, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
So how do we get organized to get Lieberman out? I wrote to Sen. Reid, but what else should I do?
I find this situation very irritating. I contributed to the DSCC this year so that Democrats would hold leadership positions in the Senate. Joe Lieberman is not longer a Democrat.
November 6, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I'm from CT, imagine how I feel!
I've been sending his office a letter about once a month for the past 6 months asking him to cut the crap on Obama, to no avail. He is pretty much universally despised here, Democrats see him as a traitor, and Republicans have hated him for so long, its hard to all of sudden warm up to the guy. (As you can imagine, he has the personality of a turnip, so that doesn't help).
His office probably has ceased paying attention to the hundreds of correspondences they are getting from constituents every week, but we keep trying!
Sorry about electing him, but I voted for Lamont back in '06.
November 6, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I voted for Lamont, too. Maybe we should make bumper stickers. Don't blame me: I voted for Lamont.
November 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll take 2
November 6, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I lived in Connecticut in the 90's, and Lieberman was a pretentious idiot even back then. Sorry that you are still stuck with him.
I am in Minnesota now, and I'm afraid that we will be stuck with Norm Coleman for another six years. (Or maybe not, if there is anything to these bribery charges). He is a shameless opportunist just like Lieberman. Coleman was a Democrat as mayor of St. Paul but switched to Republican to run for senate.
November 6, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. I gave a considerable amount of money to the party, in addition to what I donated to Obama directly.
We now are the special interest in this country goddamn it and I expect to be heard.
They cannot use progressives or the netroots and then throw us away, like the Repugs used the RR and threw them away.
Not going to happen.
November 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a list of the DSCC leadership:
http://www.dscc.org/content?content_item_KEY=1438
Schumer, Menendez, Klobuchar are listed in addition to Reid. I'll be writing to Amy since she is my senator.
November 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quit bitching at the thread - here's who to bitch at to get something done:
http://democrats.senate.gov/steering/index.cfm?pg=6
Click on an image and you go to the member's website.
November 6, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh heh. "Member's website." Heh.
November 6, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
God you have a dirty mind. It's lovely. lol
November 6, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
If we stopped bitching at the threads, this place would cease to exist!
November 6, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I only meant long enough to bitch at these members of the Senate - then come back and bitch some more around here.
Like, you live here and I don't?
;)
November 6, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I only hit refresh every 5 minutes from 6am till 4:30pm central weekdays. And sometimes check in from home after work. And a couple times on the weekends. OK OK once in a while before work. I have a 1.5 hour commute each way, I have to have something to think about on the drive don't I? Jeeze, get off my case! I can quit any time I want!
November 6, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was just bein' a wise-ass.
November 6, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
you're on here alot? I haven't seen you around.
:-)
November 6, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an engineer (and thus a little slow) so I don't post very often. Usually by the time a thought fully forms in my head the thread is off in a new direction or Tena has already said whatever I was gonna say.
Obviously, with a degree in language theory I also have trouble reading fast enough to absorb the deeper meaning of the respondents' thoughts...
HA! (channeling Chris Matthews)
November 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for the link. I just sent an e-mail to Harry Reid and Debbie Stabenow.
November 6, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I got one off to Senator Bingaman.
November 6, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can Lieberman say with a straight face that he should continue to serve as Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs when he was actively selling McCain/Palin to the country and surely was in-the-loop with just how much of a trainwreck Palin was.
November 6, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
He should be punished, not because he chose to support the Republican but because he had to have known just how problematic that Republican ticket was. And if he didn't know, then he's delusional.
There are consequences for being delusional or in denial. There have to be.
November 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a shame there's no recall...
November 6, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could care less about Joe L. Instead if Harry Reid wants to remain in that position he should start showing some and lead by example.
If not, lets put someone there that can deal with the problem.
Again, the problem is not with Joe (he is what he is), but with the leaders afraid of making decisions that convey the sentiment of the base.
November 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's the rush?
Lieberman has two years left. He isn't going to be reelected after all this, not in CT.
He'll do what he's told, and he can have his chairmanship for two years. Then he's history.
A useful idiot is better than a useless one.
November 6, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
(ok, it's four years. can't count. The point still stands)
November 6, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Four years left - Senate terms are six years.
November 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rush? Are you fucking kidding? Lieberman has been a traitor now for almost 8 years.
I'll tell you what I just told Reid: I paid for this privilege - I was one of the people who just financed this campaign by god and I want Joe gone. End of story.
November 6, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did not contribute to see Joe gone. I contributed to restore a sane government. If keeping Joe content for the next four years helps that, why not. Why not leave Joe to the people he (mis)represents.
November 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I gave the party a bunch of money in addition to what I gave to Obama and I consider myself a special interest. I think all of us are special interest group in the country now.
I think a majority of us - at least online - want him out. Well, the online community sent millions of dollars to these campaigns.
November 6, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I'd like to see him out, too. I just don't see any urgency here; a piece of shit, sure, but a small one as shit goes. He has a set expiration date no matter what, anyway.
November 6, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I'd like to see him out, too. I just don't see any urgency here; a piece of shit, sure, but a small one as shit goes. He has a set expiration date no matter what, anyway.
November 6, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
He won't do what he's told. Obviously. You need any more evidence than his behavior on the campaign trail the last couple of months?
November 6, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, at the end it's up to you guys, right?
November 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
If, by "you guys" you mean voters in CT, there isn't a recall possibility here. We're stuck with him until 1012.
November 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, he's 996 years overdue for the boot!
November 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, at least it feels like it's 996 years!
: )
November 6, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
So get a good Senate candidate and kick Lieberputz out in four years.
November 6, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I suspect that's going to happen. Joe's approval ratings have been in a steady steady slide since 2006, and his championing of McCain and smearing of Obama probably didn't go over all that well with people here. Finally, the political media in this state is starting to focus on Joe's behavior in the last two years.
November 6, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
True. He reminds me of the Batman character TwoFace. He wonders what he's going to do today and flips a coin.
November 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reid shouldn't be in leadership if that scumbag isn't jettisoned out of the caucus.
November 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I realize that some will probably think that I am off my f'king rocker, however, I believe that LieberPutz should remain as if his despicable actions never happened.
The reasons I say this is because this would be exactly what the Republicans would do if the situation we reversed. We are better then that and must demonstrate it, as much as I hate to admit, I want his ass out. This, by removing him, is not what Barack meant when he talks about inclusion and reaching out to those that opposed him or vote for "the other".
I voted for Barack and believe he will succeed only if he and we can put the past behind us and move forward.
Thank You
Respectfully,
-shacon
November 6, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
???????? What are you smoking? Joe has no loyalty and should not be in any position of power. He sold out his friends and his party, so what makes you think he won't sellout his constituents and the American public in general?
Republicans breath too, are you going to stop breathing now?
November 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honey - what do you think this is? This is politics and government.
This is not the United Nations.
It's past time for Lieberman to be kicked out of the caucus. Nobility gets us a big fat 0 when it comes to business of this nature.
It means less than nothing. It doesn't count into the equation.
This is about how Congress is going to operate and who is going to really be in charge. You can't hold a dance recital to make that determination. I'm not worried about Lieberman's self esteem.
November 6, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not a bad point.
Maybe Barack can just keep Joe's balls on his desk, and let the rest of him go back to the Senate.
November 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that's the 'bringing a knife to a gunfight' attitude that Obama himself assured us he wouldn't do in the campaign.
It's one thing to offer inclusion to those who opposed him, but did so honorably and honestly. It's another to offer inclusion to incompetent, backstabbing jackasses who repeatedly have shown disdain for acting in the interests of the country or their constituents.
November 6, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The 60-vote firewall shouldn't factor into this. The 60 votes applies to anyone with a vote in the Senate, no matter their caucus or party affiliation.
With a narrow split, the Democrats needed Joe in the caucus to be a majority and control committee assignments. That won't be the case in the next Congress.
Maybe Harry is leaving it up to the next Majority Leader to decide.
November 6, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is as much a test of Reid as it is a decision on Lieberman. If he allows Lieberman to remain as Chairman and continue to caucus with the Dems, he should be ousted too.
November 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember that Obama didn't go all out for Lamont because Lieberman begged him. Then Lieberman threw Obama under the bus for McCain and a shot VP. Obama probably was telling Joe what a bitch ass snake he was during that arm nudge thing caught on camera on the Senate floor. Now Joe the loser is back trying to play like he did nothing wrong.
Joe must go.
November 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
He'll do what he's told, and he can have his chairmanship for [four] years.
He'll do what he's told? I can't imagine where that idea comes from. And when he doesn't, then what? More sternly worded letters?
If you leave him where he is, that just tells him there are no consequences for anything he says or does. Badmouth our party nominee at the GOP convention, of all places? And stand alongside Sarah Palin on the campaign trail? No problem, we'll let you head our Homeland Security committee!
No wonder Lieberman is such a smug prick - I would be too if I could get away with such asshattery.
November 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
So we are at 56 with Merkely. I have a good feeling about Franken and the recount. Also, its looking good in Alaska as well. That brings us to 58 without Leiberman, correct? I'm not so confident about GA which would be 59. So that means, if we are lucky, 59 with Lieberman. 60 if a miracle happens. I'm not betting on the miracle.
Throw him out and cater to Snowe, Lugar, any other reasonable Republicans?
November 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what you do. Discard the trash and rely on more honorable persons.
November 6, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Lieberman is always counted in those numbers (I could be wrong though). However Lieberman has said a filibuster proof bill is dangerous and he'd always vote on the opposite side to block the possibility.
Besides Blue Dog Senators will probably never go along with a filibuster-proof vote either, because it would be used as a huge campaign tool against them when up for re-election.
November 6, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe Lieberman needs to learn strong and clear that one must accept consequences for their behavior. It's been a long 2 years and he has only esculated his behavior against the entire Democratic party.
Comtemplating a count of 58 or whatever and his importance to a vote only feeds his ego and gives him a sense of power that he can certainly play on. "Be nice to me or I'll vote with the Republicans". We need to let him know loud and clear WE DO NOT NEED HIM. He made his choice . . . live with it!
November 6, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
As Jonze already noted, Lieberman is part of the 51 we start with. As such, it is not possible to reach 60 without Lieberman. Still and all, I see no reason why this point is even significant. 60 is the number of votes we need in order to get cloture on a debate to stop a filibuster. Even if Lieberman is technically part of our caucus, that does not mean that he is compelled to vote our way when a filibuster is at stake. Likewise, even if he is not part of our caucus, he is not compelled to vote against us. In other words, our likelihood of defeating a filibuster is no worse if he is out of the caucus, so he should be thrown out simply to make clear that if you endorse the Republican and campaign against the Democrat, you do not get to enjoy the perks of being part of the majority party when the Democrats are in control.
November 6, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with this. Also, and I'm surprised no one has made this point, MAKE THE REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY FILIBUSTER.
No more of this "We intend to filibuster", so we take the legislation off the table. Screw that. Make them stand at the podium and read The Turner Diaries or whatever else floats their boat. Those flabby-ass old turds don't have the stamina for it.
I guarantee if they have to actually work at keeping a filibuster active, they won't filibuster quite as often.
November 6, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy Joe is living proof that McCain was not the only one who did a poor job vetting his VP choice.
Joe L. needed to be kicked out the minute Dem's reached 51 without him. Sixty is not relevant.
Voting to invoke cloture is not a caucus vote, it is an individual Senator's vote based on the issue at hand. The only use Lieberman ever had to the Democrats the last two years was in organizing as the majority and controlling the committee chair positions and staff. Kiss his bottom bye-bye.
That's THE math.
November 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to have Harry Reid force ole Joe to make a very public apology to Barack Obama.
That would be for starters.....
November 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Signed!
November 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
This whole process has nothing to do with Obama except insofar as he is in charge of the Democrats. Congress is a separate and co-equal branch of government.
So trying to claim this is somehow up to Obama and his pledge of bipartisanship is pretty weak.
It's not his decision. It's the Steering Committee's decision.
November 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just sent an email to Reid on Lieberman. He needs to kick his ass out , now. I can't, in good conscience, pretend that Lieberman is a good man. He is, in fact, a traitor and a back starber.
He campaign vigorously for McCain, with the hope that Obama will loose the election. It is pay back time.Democrats should not reward bad behaviour. Lieberman must go.
November 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
We really need a new Majority Leader, someone with more backbone and more charisma. Reid was okay for the past couple of years, when the Dems had but a razor-thin majority, but he's not forceful enough to help Obama accomplish passage of his legislative agenda. The next couple of years are critical to achieving any of the big-ticket items that will require expenditure of precious political capital (e.g., universal health care, ending the Iraq War) and we can't afford to fail because our Senate leader was too namby-pamby, too willing to "reach across the aisle" to compromise with the same GOP jerks who wouldn't give Dems the time of day when THEY were in charge.
November 6, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another thought: four years is a long time for CT to be represented by a total embarrassment. How about a recall from the folks at home?
November 6, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
We don't have that recourse.
November 6, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have much knowledge about the inner workings of the Senate, etc., but what are the chances that Obama will play a role in Reid's decision? I'm just curious how this decision might affect Obama's legislative agenda or if Obama might pressure Reid to let it go in the new spirit of "bipartishanship". Anyone have any insight?
November 6, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
There was a time when backers of failed coups were expected to do the honorable thing and fall on their swords. Actions have consequences and Lieberman can't expect to get off.
I suspect Reid is trying to see what the mood of other Democrats is on the subject and he's also waiting to see how the other races play out. If the rest of the caucus is on the warpath, Joe's out. I suspect something short of that is in the cards. If he's stripped of his chairmanship, what additional benefit is there to kicking him out of the caucus? I don't see any. This should not be about revenge. It should be about Lieberman being held accountable for his actions. Being stripped of his chairmanship is actually a pretty severe blow.
November 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It won't matter in the end who gets them, but knives are being sharpened by the dozen, as we speak. Maybe even quite litterally.
If I was oozing under Reid's hide, I would get out of the way when this festering boil gets excized.
There is a lot of puss under pressure under there.
November 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Y'all are real funny, and utterly clueless, with assertions of Reid's lack of a spine. He called GW a liar to his face at the White House during the height of Bush's popularity. Who else in the Senate had the guts to do that?
You mistake Reid's unwillingness to publicly air dirty laundry with lack of decisiveness. If Lieberman broke his word with Reid during the election, and I suspect that he did, Reid will gut him in the caucus. Lieberman might be allowed to chair the Curds and Whey Committee.
Reid is a man of his word, and can be trusted to keep his end of the bargain. This, along with his generous leadership PAC assures that he will remain as the Senate Majority leader if he chooses.
November 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where was Reid on telecom amnesty? Torture? Holding up ultra-conservative Supreme Court appointments?
November 6, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't know? The only reason I support Reid (and I am a Nevadan) is because he has constantly come down in favour of the people's liberty. He voted assent for all FISA amendments that would have nullified or limited telecom immunity, and he voted against the FISA Amendments Bill.
In regards to FISA, see Senate Roll Call votes: 164, 165, 166 and 168. On my scorecard, Reid is plus +1 over Obama on FISA.
November 6, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
HACK HIM OFF AT THE KNEES, BABY!!!
November 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be talking to me - I've never thought Reid was a pussy like so many progressives do.
Never.
I appreciate the thicket of procedure he's had to deal with in order to keep things moving at all.
November 6, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, I never thought Reid was a "pussy," but I don't think he's been a forceful leader. I respect your opinion, and would like to hear why you like him.
November 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman always sounds so sad.
November 6, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we make a decision on Reid's future in the Senate, please? What do we have to do to get Russ Feingold in the Leader's seat? Is this an election we the people can have? I know, I know, he hasn't raised enough gd money.
November 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
What makes you think Feingold would be a good leader?
If we're changing leaders, I'll talke Senator Clinton.
November 6, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary would be better as Majority Leader. I think Harry hinted at it back during the primary when the leadership was hinting that it was time for her to concede.
November 6, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Russ doesn't follow directions well. He's best as a gadfly, in opposition, upholding high principles. Those high principles get in the way of the business of politics.
I love Russ. He's my senator. I wanted him to run for president. But he'd be a lousy leader.
November 6, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like Lieberman is losing Joementum...
November 6, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reid is a weak, spineless leader. I am confident he will do nothing unless forced to act.
November 6, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want Lieberman gone. His behavior, endorsing McCain, speaking at the R's convention, then campaigning for McCain and trashing Obama along the way, make him a conservative Republican in all but name, and a goner as far as I'm concerned. What I would do, though is wait until the Senatorial issues are settled in AK, GA, and MN before taking action against him.
November 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm thinking/hoping that we're reading too much into the "lack of action".
I'm betting that Reid has given him an offer he cannot refuse -
1) You can take your whippin' from me - lose your chairmanship & become a real back-bencher, or
2) If you don't like that, we'll go back and talk to the caucus and we'll let them decide your fate. (And BTW Joe, I've heard they've been setting up a little room in the basement for your new office...)
November 6, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Truth of the matter is, Lieberman and Reid need to go! Talk tough Harry has done more caving than Vavoom (for you Felix the Cat fans).
November 6, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dump Lieberman. And after that dump Reid. He & Pelosi were unusually, suspiciously ineffective the past two years. I began to mistake them for Republicans in Democrat's clothing. We need two progressive, combative leaders in the House and Senate, not these two panty-waists who refuse to fight over anything. Get rid of them now, please.
November 6, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is anyone even considering keeping Lieberman? Aside from what he did in the presidential election, the simple fact is that he isn't a Democrat. He ran against the Democratic candidate and defeated him. That should be enough by itself to exclude him from the Caucus.
November 6, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Write Harry Reid here and expess yourselves.
http://reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Thank You.
November 6, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
To me, this is as much a referendum on Reid as it is Lieberman.
If Reid lacks the courage to boot someone who's already made it clear he thinks "the party has changed, not me" and "is moving in the wrong direction," and who lied about the party's presidential nominee, trying to paint him as a terrorist sympathizer, then Reid needs to be replaced, too.
Either Reid boots Lieberman--fuck 60 votes, they won't matter anyway since we still have to contend with the likes of Ben Nelson--or someone with cred needs to stand up and take his job away. Somebody will balls--maybe Barbara Boxer.
November 6, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman and McCain are about to become two of the loneliest people on Capitol Hill. The parties that each has given decades to want nothing to do with them. In McCain's case, the wingnuts have always seen him as a traitor because he was never doctrinaire enough for their tastes. Lieberman always knew this was an all-or-nothing proposition for him, since once he cast his lot, there was no turning back. Further, since the GOPs won't have him for love nor money, Lieberman's only future lay with a McCain win. Talk about burning bridges! I'd bet that there are a lot of Dems out there that would open the door for McCain to caucus with them before letting Joe come in out of the cold.
November 6, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we have a moratorium on any newborns being named "Joe" for at least one year? I'm sick of the name, and will henceforth refer to Biden as "Joseph", or just "Biden".
November 6, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
In California they have recalls on elected officials - That's how they ended up with Arnold. Does CT have this type of process? Can he be recalled? Fighting a recall initiative would drain his campaign funds. I cannot endure anymore of this whiny old man. I'm writing to Durbin (my other Senator). Who else can we petition? Can some sort of web petition start?
Also, if Stevens returns to the Senate he'll most likely be expelled (at least Reid "promised" that). So will the Dems pick up a seat or will Palin appoint Todd to that seat? How does that work? Will there be a special election? I think each state handles it differently.
November 6, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
When Joe went to the Republican convention and gave a speech putting down Obama, he crossed the Rubicon. Every time he sniped at and put down Obama after that, was a reminder about where he stood. But the die was cast there and then at the convention. He chose his side. He must go.
November 6, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink