Poll: McCain's Attacks On Obama Completely Flopped
Some interesting numbers from the internals of the new NBC/WSJ poll illustrate as clearly as you could want that every one of McCain's major attack lines has been a complete flop:
* Despite months of attacks on Obama's allegedly sinister background and cultural identity, a solid majority of likely voters, 57%, say that Obama has a background and set of values they can identify with, versus only 39% who say he doesn't. Those numbers are virtually identical to McCain's, which are 57%-38%.
* Asked which would concern them more about an Obama presidency, his lack of experience or the possibility that he would raise taxes, 14% cite taxes and 20% cite inexperience. Forty-eight percent -- more than those two combined -- say that "neither is a concern." This, despite weeks of attacks on Obama as a lightweight and empty suit who wants to hike taxes on ordinary plumbers and hockey moms everywhere.
* Despite all the attacks suggesting that Obama harbors a secret and shadowy agenda that he has yet to reveal, a huge majority of 67% say that they know what Obama and Biden would do if elected.
All those lies, all for naught.
greg, i don't understand the second bullet point. one of those figures must be the inexperience prong?
November 3, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Asked which would concern them more about an Obama presidency, his lack of experience or the possibility that he would raise taxes, 14% cite the prospect of higher taxes and 20% cite taxes.
That doesn't make sense.
November 3, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
A flop in terms of terms but certainly successful in terms of fomenting racial hatred.
November 3, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
p.s.
i hate to get OT so soon in the thread, but i just watched mccain's stump speech in florida. RIGHT after calling obama the "redistributionist in chief," he said about off-shore oil revenues (at least i think those are the revenues he was talking about, my son was babbling in my ear), AND I QUOTE:
"... and we'll take some of that revenue and share it with the people of florida."
WTF? what is this sharing crap? sounds like socialism/communism to me.
November 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's Alaskan socialism.
November 3, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Jed Clampett" Socialism.
"Spread the oil wealth."
November 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since you're presumably from Northern Virginia (I'm assuming that's what "nova" stands for), you're obviously not a real American, and so your opinion doesn't count.
In all seriousness, great catch. I love it.
November 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
yes, i'm from "communist country." that's why i recognized it right away, comrade. :)
November 3, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's the New New Federalism. Redistribution of the wealth in states that vote Republican is fine.
November 3, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another sign of Obama's genius is that he really has focused his fire on McCain and Bush.
He IS going to have to work with whatever remains of the GOP in Congress. It is too much to ask Johnny Mac to come around, but other than him I don't think Obama has burned any bridges.
He is set to work well with the non wingnuts - Snowe and company.
November 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barack also didn't get involved with down ticket races for this reason - he might have to work with somebody he tried to defeat otherwise. If he stumped for Martin, or Hagan, or Franken and Chambliss, Dole, Coleman and McConnell won he's got four Senators with axes to grind against him.
Obama will have enough trouble arguing politics, he doesn't need to make it personal.
November 3, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barack also didn't get involved with down ticket races for this reason - he might have to work with somebody he tried to defeat otherwise. If he stumped for Martin, or Hagan, or Franken and Chambliss, Dole, Coleman and McConnell won he's got four Senators with axes to grind against him.
Obama will have enough trouble arguing politics, he doesn't need to make it personal.
November 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well this means one of two things: Americans are either too dumb to even get the negative advertising or
Americans are a lot smarter than we get credit for from either the left or the right.
Morning peeps - last day of this -
November 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
mistake fixed, apologies
November 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's what happens when you run an obnoxious fire-up-the-base campaign even after your base has become too small to give you the win.
Off topic, I'm really going to be sick when the MSM happily collaborates with McCain in his campaign (which will start right after the election is called for Obama) to recover the reputation his own campaign has dragged through the mud. I hope there will be plenty of voices loudly calling bullshit.
November 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please...did you see Chris Matthews start it last night? He kept talking about how "beloved" John McCain will become after this election is over.
November 3, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
beloved, riiiight....
Just like the left went on to love Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, or Dukakis, orhow the right went on to love Dole....
He'll be added to the list of failure candidacies of the last half century
November 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Was I the only one who found themselves wondering if he's already trying to rehabilitate his post-election image when they saw this?
November 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but the 527 ads gained some traction - just this morning, John King told Bill Press the new "Rev. Wright" ad has swayed several indies towards McCain in PA.
Of course, we all know McCain knew nothing about that ad...ahem ahem ahem.
November 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
He could sway every single remaining undecided in PA (which won't happen) and still lose. There aren't enough of them left.
November 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
And he knows this because? Does he have all the indie Penn voters locked in a room so he can poll them?
LOL!
November 3, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did John King say how he knows this?
November 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's all about drama and viewership.
November 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know - just listening to this on the radio driving to work. He did mention being on the ground in PA this past weekend covering a rally and talking to several people in attendance. That ad starting airing on Friday, I think - King had plenty of time to ask people on the ground what they thought about it.
November 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I hope voters realize this is proof he's a christian! Look at the bright side here.
November 3, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody's making something up -- if not King, then the people he's talking to.
In a similar vein: Some (!) have said that if we point out in advertisements that the Mormon church is trying to hijack California's legislative process from Utah, this will drive away Mormons who are thinking about voting against Prop Hate. There are are lots of these, and keeping them on our side will make all the difference. Really!
November 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck Jon King. His nose has always been so far up Mccains arsehole because he loves the tire swing.
If you are undecided at this point, you are a moron.
The Rev Wright ads just let the closet racists feel ok about not voting for Obama, because his pastor said something years ago and that somehow means Obama is not qualified. What the fuck ever.
November 3, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another sign of Obama's genius is that he really has focused his fire on McCain and Bush.
He IS going to have to work with whatever remains of the GOP in Congress. It is too much to ask Johnny Mac to come around, but other than him I don't think Obama has burned any bridges.
He is set to work well with the non wingnuts - Snowe and company.
November 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this election may be as much a referendum on sleazy campaign tactics as it has been a referendum on the Bush years. If Obama wins, he will have proved once and for all that it's possible to win a national election without going sinking down to the fears and hatreds of the lowest common denominator.
And McCain will have sold his soul for naught.
November 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Word.
November 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely, Phoebe Fay. I think that is an underrated aspect of Obama's campaign -- silencing the 527s on his side. It gave him command of the message so that McCain and the RNC, Freedom's Watch, etc. seemed nasty beyond belief but Obama seemed above it all and positive.
November 3, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/03/opinion/03krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Check Krugman in today's Times on that...
November 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
And what is "his soul" in the first place, we gotta ask. Many people seem sort of willing to let him get away with his sleaze and dishonesty in this election, saying "That is not the real McCain." But he's never been honest or honorable. I think the campaign has just brought it to light.
November 3, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Righto. He was known as McNasty when he was at the Naval Academy.
November 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Kate, I believe that goes back to high school!
November 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or back to kindergarten? Cus he never shared toys with other kids :P
November 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Probably that teaching never took in his case.
November 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
And stole other kids' PBJ sammitches!
November 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
He has been dishonest, hateful, self-centered and "out for John as long as he's been alive".
That's why they won't let his mother near any press unattended. She sure could tell you a multitude of stories truly explaining who the REAL JOHN McCAIN III IS.
November 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has been dishonest, hateful, self-centered and "out for John as long as he's been alive".
That's why they won't let his mother near any press unattended. Sure she could tell you a multitude of stories truly explaining who the REAL JOHN McCAIN III IS.
November 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I so agree.
November 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
But like the FEC did in McSlime's primary-campaign public-financing renegging, San Diablo will find he's only holding a lease on McScum's hypothetical soul.
The devil won't care; he's a lot more thrilled by corrupting innocent souls.
November 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
- J.R.R. Tolkien
November 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you saying Obama is one of the Valar?
November 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, but the sword that was broken will definitely be reforged!
November 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
... and the White Tree will bloom again! :)
November 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whattya know....a bottom dweller from Middle Earth
November 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
The treacherous are ever distrustful.
November 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Time to reread Tolkien for sure!
November 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Host of the Valar will arise and cleanse Angband. They will go to the basement where they will find Morgoth Bush in his undisclosed location. He will be brought out and put on trial, and cast out for all eternity. His name will be used through the ages to frighten little children.
We'll have to make sure that Sauron Cheney doesn't slip out to cause trouble later.
November 3, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,
I tink it means that we are insulted by the stupidity of the attack ads.
November 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course it does. We're fed up with this shit because we're grown-ups out here and we want real leaders - not just politicians who can slime better than the rest.
November 3, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is an election of the American people and if they will chose hope over fear and promise over despair. Tuesday is that test, and I believe we will pass.
November 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Off topic but a light read.
Obama camp turns to superstitions
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081103/pl_politico/15194
It just makes the whole team seem even more down to earth.
November 3, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is an election of the American people and if they will chose hope over fear and promise over despair. Tuesday is that test, and I believe we will pass.
November 3, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain completely flops again? Maybe he should have listened to Carla Fiorini when she was pushing his support for Viagra.
November 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
NEWS FROM OHIO,,,,, Our Secretary of State, the much put upon Jennifer Brunner, has decreed that anyone in line when the polls close will be allowed to vote Tuesday. That means at the very least that the results from Ohio will come in very very late. God help the poll workers,,,, and counters.
November 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
She has done a great job and has really done all she can to make sure voters will vote and the votes will be counted...
November 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
She has done a great job and has really done all she can to make sure voters will vote and the votes will be counted...
November 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the way it should always be. And boy... will that help people!
There was a great vid from P Diddy: Ain't no line too long! (#31) And some people in Ohio should take laptops and walk along the long lines, playing that video over and over. People should take food and beverages to the long lines. They should go and stand with the folks in line. Or bring them chairs! Lead them in song. Anything to help them maintain their courage, stand in line, and cast a vote.
November 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, the way it should always be is that no one ever has to stand in line in order to exercise their right to vote. This bi-annual war of attrition at the polls is insane and must stop.
November 3, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I stand corrected. How right you are!
Honestly I'm hoping we change to Sat/Sun voting for "the day" and early voting everywhere.
November 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you on that! I intend to start writing my legislators, both state and federal, right away.
November 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's what I keep thinking about this very issue. In four years time, when all the dire fears that mcShame has trumpeted, fail to come true, then what? Then Obama can say, "They told you x, they told you y. But look at the reality."
I think it's going to come back and bite them. Because all the lies of course will not come true. And maybe, just maybe, some of the folks who bought the "fears" will see the light!
November 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some will, but Thera, some of them are hopeless.
The Repugs are down to the very last layer - which is the layer of about 25% of the population who aren't totally rational.
We'll always have a percentage of irrational people. But all of the rest who went along for awhile because they were self-identified Repugs are gone now - the Repugs are down to the rump, as Krugman put it - the extremists. Now they will make themselves wholly irrelevant.
November 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know. But you can always hope!
November 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have a big heart and a big tent you just dying to bring everyone into - I'll hope along with you.
November 3, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right. I'm hopelessly hopeful! Indeed, I'm in the business of hope. (well, I am realistic enough not to bother with severe character disorders who have no desire to change)
November 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone else think that 25% is too high?!
November 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
But they won't stop trying to push the lies and fear. In fact, Obama will have to work hard, I suspect, to demonstrate through his strong leadership that he is indeed an inclusive president.
November 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
OT: Ben Affleck's Keith Olbermann was fucking perfect on SNL.
November 3, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Was funny, but would have been better had Affleck not cracked up every other line.
I did think the multiple camera angles, especially the ceiling cam, and him spinning in his seat were a riot!
November 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I tend to really like it when SNL actors come close to losing it during a sketch. I don't really know why, but it always makes me laugh.
November 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I did love Affleck putting his face in front of the camera and shaking his head like he was having a stroke!
Nothing beats Harvey Korman cracking up on Carol Burnett's Show - I remember watching that show religiously when I was a kid and we'd all wait for it to happen...it always did! :-)
November 3, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't watch the special Countdown last night. Did Olbermann react to it?
November 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, it was a repeat of the "Best of Election 2008" that he taped last week. He won't be live again until tonight, but I'm sure he'll have plenty to say about it. :-)
What part of Wisconsin are you in? If you're close to Kenosha, you may be able to receive local Chicago networks and keep informed about what's happening at Grant Park before you head down.
November 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm in Milwaukee but I'm heading down regardless.
I'm meeting up with a bunch of friends at Miller's Pub to watch the returns then heading over to Grant Park.
November 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me of the old Red Skelton show, where the guests would intentionally flub and laugh hysterically at their scripts. God, I'm old.
November 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me too. You're not alone!
November 3, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. The "More Cowbell" skit wouldn't have been nearly as funny if whatshisface wasn't cracking up during the skit.
November 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
EXACTLY!
That was the funniest thing about Jimmy Fallon, imo.
November 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's worse than McCloggedToilet thinks. Call it the "Go Fuck Yourself Effect."
Any state with less than a 10-point McMerde lead will be swept away by the Big Wave.
That gets usto 39 states. 468 EVs. Massive, massive victory.
OK, Texas has a 10.5 pt advantage for McFlopper. The Tena boost will take care of that half-a-percent.
November 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know what's wrong with Texas? I'm in New Mexico.
That's what is wrong with Texas.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
November 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tena do you vote in Taos or Dallas?
November 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dallas.
I voted absentee. Why?
November 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just curious if you think that the 2006 Dallas county elections will be replayed this year.
November 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think so - the only thing I'm concerned about locally is the fact that Lupe Valdez has gotten tons of criticism and we elected that goddamn Repug mayor - in a squeaker.
So whereas the country apparently just pulled the lever for a straight D ticket in '06, I think we'll see more ticket splitting - except not in Oak Cliff or in the Barrio - those will be straight D ballots, I think, and should overwhelm the Repug votes that are left in the county.
Obama will carry Dallas Co. I do not doubt that for one second. And god knows H Town will go for Obama - all the cities will.
November 3, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could someone tell me where the socialist Muslim church I have to join on Wednesday is?
November 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
You'll be informed of that at the re-education camps.
November 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry - I'm too busy locating abortion clinics so I can have a dozen on Wednesday. Just to celebrate.
November 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's easy to find them -- they're right around the corner from the methadone rehab centers.
November 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's easy to find them -- they're right around the corner from the methadone rehab centers.
November 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
When will I receive my orders on when I have to have my mandatory gay marriage?
November 3, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm already married to a woman - but as soon as gay marriage is legal I'm dumping her for some nice young guy! Yup! yup! (eyeroll)
November 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm gonna have a few abortions too...wait, I'm a gay male!!
November 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's going to use stem cell research to allow you be pregant just so you can have abortions.
November 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Iman Wright will be telling us all in a national broadcast on Wednesday.
November 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which direction is MECCA again?
November 3, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! That's good.
November 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Will that be before or after Osama surfaces as an illegal immigrant hiding in Utah (with his many wives)?
November 3, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
No wonder McCain and Bush win Utah by such wide margins
November 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
The TRUE birth certificate is coming out today!
WATCH FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!
November 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
AS WELL AS THE WHITEY TAPE!!!!!!!
November 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! Fucking brilliant, y'all! THIS is why I keep coming here...
November 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, the roll-out of a black-only administration will be announced on Wed. And slavery for all the whites with mcShame lawn signs!
November 3, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
And all whites will be ordered to stand at the back of the straight talk express.
November 3, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I'm looking forward to the explosives training.
November 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.fletc.gov/
Here's where I went to get mine...most bigoted place on the planet. Gay guy from NYC there in law enforcement training? Felt like Margaret Meade in New Guinea.
November 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Explosive enough to make McSlime switch to SuperDepends™?
November 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's one thing to win dirty, but to lose dirty...? All you have left are a shattered reputation and a troubled conscience. Poor John.
November 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tomorrow afternoon, the kids and I will be volunteering at a Santa Fe polling place. The campaign has "comfort captains", who will set up booths about 110 feet from the polling place, have water, etc.....we are making four batches of brownies to give out to people in line.
November 3, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Goddamn - I am surrounded by awesome people here -
you are too much, renegade mom.
November 3, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for such a basic question, but I've been wondering about the "comfort" of people's bladders during these many-hours-long waits to vote. Anybody have experience?
November 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
What do you want to bet that some of our donation money has gone for those portable stalls, to be put up as needed all around the country?
Often voting is done in schools and centers where there are bathrooms. But in case of long lines, I trust they've made provision.
November 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is so beautiful! I feel like finding a black polling place tomorrow and just walking up and down the line, shaking hands with people, thanking them for voting! I bet it will be a line of smiling people.
The idea of comforting those in line is so wonderful. I was thinking that I have two nice folding stools. So I could just look for an elderly person or two (or use one to sit on and one to loan) and spend some time as line comforter. I'd already thought of that, but I bet it's been in the cards long ago
November 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Am I wrong or did the Tracking Map here just make Ohio a light blue? Wasn't it orange earlier this morning?
God Damn, I hope we add on Ohio to the battleground states won, just for bragging rights!
November 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I said the SAME THING. Ohio went from tossup this morning, to lean Obama, to Likely Obama in about 2 hours.
November 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ohio is dark blue for me.
November 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
3 most recent polls have Obama at 50+. So, I guess there is good reason.
November 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Still light blue for me - but still blue! YES!!
November 3, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, I'm getting dizzy thinking about tomorrow. I'm so excited I literally cannot stand it.
November 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Vote with a friend if the dizziness continues. Lean toward each other. And crawl to the booth if necessary.
November 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome advice, but I early voted.
I don't know why, but the enormity of what is going to happen tomorrow night hit me when I woke up this morning.
November 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is definitely one of those 'winning is still losing' things. It's like a king of the hill contest of corrupt bureaucratic morons that out for everybody's interests but our own. Voting is just a third party way for them to decide which one of them gets to win and push their agenda. Otherwise, they'd just meet in a council somewhere without anyone's consent.
Forget voting.
November 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, aren't you just too cool for school.
November 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
One of my best friends used to think just like you. Never could get him to vote. Bush II convinced him to change...
November 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hahaha...
Favorite Blogs mediacondom
Favorite Books Atlas Shrugged
Favorite Quotes "thinking is essential to the survival of man..." -Ayn Rand
Ayn Rand... objectivism... Oy vey.
November 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
It amazes me that people can still be objectivist even after getting fisted by the invisible hand.
November 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Via Sullivan: Obama positives at 62%-same as Clinton in '92.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/53---42.html
November 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is a reason they call him a transformational figure. This one won't be pretty folks, but OH BOY will it be enjoyable.
November 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's Optimus Prime.
November 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sooo - has MoveOn announced where the Christian baby-eating contest is going to be held on Wednesday?
November 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
There won't be any Christians--Obama will be signing an executive order rescinding baptisms for Americans.
November 3, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Will that be before or after the mass flag-burning in the White House rose garden?
November 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Before.
And don't forget the gay-pride parade down Pennsylvania Avenue followed by Bible burnings.
November 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would Obama want to burn all those nice new flags with the hammer and sickle on them?
November 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought the Obama logo would be on the flags!
We need a new pledge! What will it be?
November 3, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I pledge allegiance to Barack
And to the Little Red Book he has.
One Nation, under Obama
Where slavery is freedom for all.
November 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I want to be a slave to health care!
November 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
After, we still have to paint the White House black THEN burn the flags. Bring the boombox to, gotta blast that 50 cent "Surrounded by Hoes" song while we party.
November 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Will the mass flag-burning preclude the need for a prohibition against the Pledge of Allegiance, or should that be thrown in to be sure?
November 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
No no no - he's just eliminating "under god" and putting in:
"middle finger to the lord," in honor of JayZ.
November 3, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I got 99 problems but McCain ain't one.
November 3, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
:)
November 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude - I hear Obama has a secret deal with someone in Haiti - they're going to bring back Pak and Biggie as zombies and put em in his cabinet.
November 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pac.
Sheeeeeeit - I know better. He's holding my table for me in heaven, which is a giant club and nobody sleeps in heaven.
November 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. I'm thinking Tupac should head the DOJ ("Grab your glocks when you see Tupac")and Biggie should head the Treasury Department "Mo Money Mo Problems").
November 3, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Works for me.
He can put Luda in charge of the Department of Big Pimping.
November 3, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice.
And like the idea of Kanye West as White House Press Secretary.
"Excuse me, is ya'll saying somethin? Nuh-uh you can't tell me nothin."
God this is way too much fun.
November 3, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can just about guarantee that Lil Wayne is going to get sinecure over the entire Gulf Coast and may in fact become the Crown Prince of the Obama Empire.
November 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
And here's hoping that Lil Jon plays at the inaugural ball!
Snap ya fingers! Do ya step!
You can do it all by yo self!
Let me see you do it! Ay!
Let me see you do it! Ay!
November 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the pledge is to the Obama logo. Or maybe to Obama.
I pledge allegiance to our Leader, to our overlords and imams, and to the socialist nation under sharia.
November 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ooops - forgot the end of the pledge.
"with justice and health care for all."
November 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stop it! The digital snark meter on my flat-panel just broke.....
November 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Baby-eating contest winner will probably be that impossibly skinny Japanese guy who always wins the Nathan's hot dog contests at Coney Island.
November 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Restores my faith in justice and karma.
November 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just have news from over here in the UK that Mr Obama has requested to rejoin the British Empire as of close of polls tomorrow. As all true Americans know we are the heart of the evil Islamo-Marxist conspiracy.
The redcoats are coming ... the redcoats are coming ...
November 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can't we just merge with Canada? And get health care right away?
November 3, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
North American Union, baby. Complete with the NAFTA superhighway and Amero currency...
November 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a good one. To get certified as a van driver for wheel chair users, we had to complete "non-partisan training."
As you might guess, there weren't a whole lotta Resluglicans in the group of volunteers. Like none.
In addition to driving, I am responsible for helping my passengers get into the polling place. If I run into any Voter Suppression Assholes, I'll be calling in the lawyers. I'm not allowed to directly confront them. So I'm eating hard boiled eggs and baked beans. I'll just go stand next to them and break off some stinkers. Oh. That's right. They won't be able to tell the difference. Any suggestions for Plan B?
November 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's getting exciting. I was out canvassing in an upscale VA DC suburb yesterday and ran into some ex-life long Republicans now voting Obama. I had some good conversations with them. Some of them are not only just disgusted with the Palin pick, but are really excited with voting for Obama.
Truly inspirational.
I'm leaving work early to his Obama's last rally about 20 minutes from my work here in Virginia. The rally is at 9pm so I'll probably leave around 3ish to try and get a decent seat. I was at his first VA rally right after the convention. I though it would be appropriate to see the last.
I took off tomorrow for the final push and just to be involved in the excitement. I can't wait 'till the polls close at 7pm eastern!!!
It'll be VA, KY and IN closing first for those that are interested.
November 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Way to go, Mike. Thanks!
November 3, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course Ohio is dark blue,,,, Ted Strickland, Jennifer Brunner and all "those people" have rigged and stolen it from real amerika,,,,, and they learned it all from Ken Blackwell hisself.
Time for Boehner to chew another pack of cigarettes.
November 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
New group started! We call it BEMA (Bradely Effect My ASS!)
November 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hee hee hee hee hee!!!!
November 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
somewhat OT, but Starbucks is offering free coffee tomorrow.
Is this national?
November 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
tpmgary: I believe it is, yes.
Nothing like having to close some outlets to remind corporate of its mortality. The TV commercial they did on it was actually good, I thought. This is the sort of thing I might have expected them to do to act consistently with the spirit of what was, as I understand it, originally part of their founding mission--to (rather self-consciously) market the coffee shop as a place where people from all walks of life might congregate and discuss civic affairs, what they're reading lately, etc. As if the phenomenon did not already exist in some places.
In our community Starbucks is a place some use for meetings. I'm hard pressed to distinguish it from other chain and non-chain coffee shops in that regard, though. And it isn't even physically designed to promote interaction between people wandering in randomly. If that were the idea I'd have thought they'd have a bar-style counter where you could end up sitting next to someone you've never met before and possibly strike up a conversation.
November 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually did the advertising for Starbucks a couple years back. I liked the recent spot and like you, I believe it was characteristic of their mission, but not characteristic of the execution of their brand.
November 3, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The postive energy on this thread is amazing, through the roof!
November 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of positive energy, I live in Chicago and have to drive by Grant Park everyday on my way to work and have been witness to the rally set up and let me tell you it has been exciting to watch. There are about a dozen or so news vans that have been lined up on Columbus drive with the satellite dishes and reporters are now constantly reporting from that area. They have the lights set up high above the park so at night it lights up the entire field, not a small field either. There's this energy and excitement in the air in Chicago...it's so close to becoming a reality! Now if we can only get the Olympics, I imagine it will just as crazy is this rally will be.
November 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The McCain attacks on Obama failed because the American people saw through the fabrication and concoction lies underpinning their every utterance about Obama. It is therefore out of the question that these lies came down in fire as his candidacy will come crushing down on election day.
November 3, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The McCain attacks on Obama failed because the American people saw through the fabrication and concoction lies underpinning their every utterance about Obama. It is therefore out of the question that these lies came down in fire as his candidacy will come crushing down on election day.
November 3, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The McCain attacks on Obama failed because the American people saw through the fabrication and concoction of lies underpinning their every utterance about Obama. It is therefore out of the question that these lies came down in fire as his candidacy will come crushing down on election day.
November 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yikes! The Watch Tower salesladies were just at my door!! Luckily I have pug protection. And you guys for encouragement.
I NEED no free coffee tomorrow, there's enough caffeine in the babies.
November 3, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I would like to believe your conclusion, the polls don't really show that the smears have had no affect. It might be that 5% of people are affected by it, and in a close state, that could mean the difference. McCain is not directing his lies at the majority of people, just the 5% or so of people who are dumb enough to believe them.
Now if the polls asked a specific question 2 months ago, like "Do you think Obama will work hard to fight terrorism?" and then asked the question today, the difference might indicate whether the McPalin smears have had an affect.
November 3, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink