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Lieberman Aide Threatens Reid: He'll Bolt Dem Caucus
The Politico has just posted a story on Joe Lieberman's battle to hang on to his plum committee slot, but Politico kind of buries the lede. The real story here is that Lieberman's aides are now openly threatening Senate leader Harry Reid by saying that Lieberman will stop caucusing with Dems if his chairmanship is revoked:
"Senator Lieberman's preference is to stay in the caucus, but he's going to keep all his options open," a Lieberman aide said. "McConnell has reached out to him and at this stage his position is he wants to remain in the caucus but losing the chairmanship is unacceptable."
That's pretty clear cut. Lieberman's aide is leaking the threat that he wants to remain in the caucus but that losing his committee slot is "unacceptable" -- meaning that he'll bolt the caucus if it happens.
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Um, Joe? You really thought nobody knew this is what you'd do?
November 7, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or that anybody would care?
November 7, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just surprised that there are STILL berths available on the Titanic.
November 7, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
His obsequious, sycophantish support for McCain and Palin?? That is sooooo... well.... soooooo..... "Monday," y'know?
Man... Ol' Joe can still pivot faster'n a ball-bearing on oiled glass.
November 7, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
lol. Actually I think he and Palin plan to ride out on their dinosaur steeds.
November 7, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Lieberman
1/2 Republican
1/2 Democrat
100% Asshole
November 7, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word..
Good riddance Loserman.
November 7, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Let him go, even if we get 58 + Sanders, do we really want that turd being the break vote on a filibuster? He is going to betray whenever its important anyway.
I stood in the rain trying to convince CT voters to go for Lamont. Then they figured out their colossal fuck up like 6 months later.
November 7, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just wondering. Changing parties has both state and national ramifications.
If Joe switches to Republican, does that damage his reelection machine in Connecticut? He'll be 70 in 2012 and he obviously loves being a Senator. What does he lose if he loses the Democratic Party in Connecticut?
It's my impression that the Republicans are not very strong there. He also joins the minority party in the Senate. That, I am told, takes a lot to the fun out of being a Senator.
November 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
What reelection? This is certainly his last term.
He's too old and utterly impotent even now. There's essentially zero chance he could defend himself from a Democratic challenger.
November 7, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. The funny thing here is that it would be the best for everybody if he just "voluntarily resigned" from the Democratic Party. Then we wouldn't have to kick him out or go through the process of stripping his seniority, and he could pretend he had a choice and didn't put himself in this position by siding with the losers.
November 7, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Failing to see the downside to this supposed "threat". Is there any reason at all not to publicly humiliate and repudiate Liebermanism?
November 7, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
He won't go. There's nothing in it for him except for looking like a sore loser.
McConnell cannot offer him anything of value. There are no leadership positions available in the Republican party -- not to mention that other GOPers would be pissed if they got skipped over for a former-Democrat-turned-Republican like Lieberman.
Not gonna happen -- as much as it would be fun to see.
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November 7, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Checkmate.
November 7, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello, Joe. Welcome to the minority party. I'm sure you'll enjoy your new, cozy office, far away from the Senate floor. Hey, the exercise will do ya good!
November 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Worst sore loser in Washington DC. That's 3/4s of his motivation and always was.
He's a petty, vindictive little shit who doesn't give one damn about this country, IMO.
November 7, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
For all in favor of Joe saying bye bye, say
AY!
November 7, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
AY!
November 7, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
(um, could we say "OY!" and still be tasteful?)
November 7, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you spell it OI!, it's perfectly tasteful.
November 7, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then change mine to OI!
November 7, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aye!
Keelhaul the lot of 'em... In a bipartisan way, of course!
November 7, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
No doubt in my mind! OI!!
November 7, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
AY! I'll go one better. I wrote every member of the Senate Steering and Outreach Committee asking them to do that very thing!
November 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
OI!
So did I, and wrote a letter to Harry Reid, and signed FireDogLake's online petition.
OI! OI! OI!!
November 7, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
OI!!!!! Oy!!!! OINK!!! And he's a real Republican too!
November 8, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen!
If Harry Reid has a mindset anything like mine re: Lieberman, his decision should be easy -- all he has to do is call up the mental image of this schmuck standing behind McCain at so many campaign stops, grinning like an elderly Howdy Doody.
November 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Reid is playing for time. The Senate races are not all decided. If Dems are elected in the last three races, the Senate Dems will have their coveted 60 seats, thus achieving cloture. Unfortunately, this number includes Joe "The Snake" Lieberman. If, on the other hand, a Repug wins even one of the those seats, that will not be possible and the Senate Dems will have the pleasure of kicking Joe's sorry ass to the curb because they will not achieve a filibuster-proof majority until 2010. There will not be any reason to keep the little weasel around. Those elections will not be complete until December. So Reid has to hold his nose and "take more meetings" with the traitorous sumbitch, keeping him on the line long enough to see the lay of the land, so to speak. After that, he either stays in the Dem caucus, with or without his chairmanship, or he accepts McConnell's offer and measures for drapes in his broom closet. Sad, but that's politics in the big city.
November 7, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think your analysis is the first that makes sense to me. Thanks!
November 7, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. I knew there was some machination at work here... Can't wait til good ole CT gets the chance to show him the boot.
November 7, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
why do people assume Joe can be trusted to vote for cloture?
November 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Problem is, the key issues on which we need a filibuster-proof majority revolve around the war in Iraq, and Lieberman would probably join the filibuster no matter which caucus he is in, so he wouldn't be one of the 60. On the other hand, moderate republicans like Grassley and Collins might. So screw 'im. Let him caucus with Mitch, Orrin and Arlen. We'll be fine without him.
November 7, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like you, I believe that the Dems' best hopes for cloture are saner Repugs (Olympia Snowe? Susan Collins?) than that squirrely little fuucker Lieberman. These ladies may have been sobered by the election or may simply decide to act like adults and stop towing the Repugnican line. These are serious issues we face. Nothing would give me greater pleasure now that we have had the ULTIMATE pleasure of seeing Barack elected President of the United States (feast your eyes and mind on THAT statement) than seeing Joe Wormtongue sink into the ignominy he has worked so hard to earn. Dems, however, are notorious invertebrates, Reid not least among them. Instead of just doing what he SHOULD do and tossing Joe down the Senate stairs, he is gaming the system. Ah, well.
November 8, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't care if he does make it 60. He's already demonstrated disloyalty. Making 60 votes will always be touchy, even if you had more than enough Dems. Think of all the Blue Dogs in there. And some Repubs, I'll bet, might get on board.
Let the turncoat go, I say. He's not worth it.
Strategize for less than 60 always, and build from there.
November 8, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. If I were in charge, and I'm not, I would drown him right now.
November 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say it IS so, Joe.
Good riddance, ya' bastid.
November 7, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I HATE him.
November 7, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buh-bye.
November 7, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, say it ain't so Joe!
Try not to let the door hit your ass on the way out!
It's better to have one additional enemy than a fake friend who will stab you in the back the first chance they get.
November 7, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haha, I think we posted at the exact same moment.
November 7, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
great minds must think alike!
November 7, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try this one:
Don't let the door hit you
where the good Lord split you!
November 7, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bye! Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on your way out!
November 7, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Adios, Joe The Backstabber
November 7, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, say it ain't so Joe!
Try not to let the door hit your ass on the way out!
It's better to have one additional enemy than a fake friend who will stab you in the back the first chance they get.
November 7, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bye Joe.
I'd say was have some lovely parting gifts for you, but I'd just be lying.
November 7, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn. Victory has made me positively inarticulate. That should read:
I'd say we have some lovely parting gifts for you, but I'd just be lying
And to think I whined repeatedly about a preview function. D'oh!
November 7, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
what's weird is I read the original exactly like the correction. I was like, "I don't see anything wrong." Funny how the brain fills the gaps....
November 7, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not so funny if you reckon that this is the instinctive process that W uses to get through the day.
November 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
wait... I think the Repub. party does have some expensive new gifts they can give him... as long as he's a size 4.
November 7, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he can have Todd's silken underpants? I hear the Republicans are going up there to take back EVERYTHING. Poor Piper even has to give up that $7K purse.
November 7, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't Newsweek say that some of the clothes had gone "missing"? Maybe they should look for them on eBay.
November 7, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The purse was only a knockoff, it turns out, probably purchased from terrorists on Canal Street.
November 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait! Doesn't Rudy have dibs on those threads?
November 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman has to try to posture here, even if he has no real leverage.
Reid should respond that so publicly supporting the opposing party's presidential nominee was "unacceptable". Let him leave; it likely ensures political defeat in 2012, and irrelevance until then.
Then don't be surprised if Lieberman decides he'd rather be a small fish in the majority than a fish out of water in the GOP (whose rank and file refused to let his friend McCain tap him for VP).
Lieberman is truly a man without a party. And he deserves to be.
November 7, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup! The GOP purged all of their "moderates" and it's clear the fundicrats won't tolerate him in any leadership position. He'll be like JC Watts - a token!
November 7, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck him. His spot in the Cacus isn't that valuable. Do you think Joe is really going to vote against all the progressive issues that get brought before the Senate? It will play for shit in his home state if he has any desire to get re-elected in 2012.
It really is time to play hardball with him and box him into a loss in 2012. Make him go GOP. There are other moderate Republicans who we can peel off to get things done.
John
November 7, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does the saying go? If he quacks like a duck, acts and looks like a duck......he is GOP.
He is just a lame duck caught on the wrong side of the senate floor.
November 7, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shorter Joe: You can't fire me, I quit!
November 7, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
He must really enjoy being part of the senate minority.
November 7, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree Fosberry. For Lieberman it's all about Joe. He thinks the Senate seat belongs to him, not to the people of Connecticut and wants the power and perks of being in the majority. I lost any lingering respect for him in 2006, and he just keeps getting more despicable.
November 7, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
agree 100 percent with Powcat . . .
I add what makes Lieberman think he is so important that he has any leverage. He's been hanging on by the skin of his teeth since 06. Now that we're sitting at the 58 mark in members, add on the fact that I feel many Republican under the guidance of our new president are going to have a different attitude because of the state of the country . . . his possible vote no longer has significance. He's lowered himself realistically to a NOBODY! HE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND ONE MUST PAY THE CONSEQUENCES FOR HIS ACTIONS.
November 7, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL Joe, who are you crapping? Try getting re-elected in Connecticut in 2012 as a Republican.
November 7, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman has shown his stripes, and they aren't Democrat. There is no way this turncoat should be allowed to chair the committee that oversees the government. And after the country has given the Democratic party a clear mandate we cannot bend to this weasel's threats. Goodbye Joe the traitor and good luck with that re-election when we will put the full party's force behind the Democrat running. I'm sure President Obama will be glad to campaign for the Democratic candidate.
November 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah Joe, say it ain't so!
Uh, don't let the door hit you on the way out, Joe.
November 7, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
His options are join the people he has been brown nosing for the past year or...hmmm...That's all his options.
Enjoy the Minority Caucus Joe ;)
November 7, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Promise?
November 7, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
please oh please
November 7, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
There were stories after the election in 2006 that certain issues simply didn't get brought up in dem caucus meetings because they made Lieberman uncomfortable.
I honestly think the Democratic Caucus could get more done if they didn't have to work around the fact of Joe Lieberman being a member.
November 7, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good riddance. Who needs a self-serving turncoat.
November 7, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, sorry Atreideshawk, I didn't bother to read all the posts. Great minds think alike. ha!
How about this?
"I'll have two Joes to go, and fast."
Maybe the plumber and the dweeb can get together with Scarborough for a special "three amigos" show.
November 7, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes! Scarborough is SUCH A TOOL. On Wednesday morning he spent his whole show pissing and moaning about how the media won the election for Obama and were sooooo mean to Grampy McSame. Why, oh why, can't MSNBC move his show to later in the day when I don't have to watch it? Maybe do Midnight Joe instead?
November 7, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let him go hang his brown nose on the ass of Mitch the bitch!
November 7, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The way I'd like to see it:
Reid: "Uh, Joe? Yeah...I talked to the other members of the caucus today. They are all pitching in to hire a nanotech company to have a violin made that is microscopic enough to express their sympathy for you."
November 7, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
November 7, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
LMAO!!!
Technology at its finest!
November 7, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let that be the first infrastructure investment of the new Congress! Think of the applications!!! Shrinking investment in education and the arts? Why not compromise and invest in tiny, tiny instruments for the children! Hell, name the bill after Joe! If I could REC a comment, I would break my mouse in this thread today...
November 7, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it possible that this reaction from Lieberman is exactly what Harry Reid was trying to get, without appearing to want that?
Could it be that the machiavellian Harry Reid we heard so much about at the end of 2006, and who has been missing in action since January 2007, has miraculously reappeared?
Nah.
November 7, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
This time I could be convinced of that, I really could. Reid know him well enough to know that he's so caught up in his own hype and self-importance that he'd never acquiesce to stepping down as chair, even if he kept his seniority. I think Reid is trying to look reasonable and show that Lieberman is the one who is being unreasonable.
Lieberman's narcissism really bit him in the butt, and he went too far and waited too long to step back from the ledge. He is just politcally dim: Why would he want to join a party, now further in the minority, that would have gone ape shit had he been selected as VP? Has he ever considered that? Also, does he think that the press will be his new "base" and that, like McCain, they'll hang on his every utterance? In a word, no. He's no "war hero." He's just a whiny, self-serving senator. Nothing compelling or cool about that.
Sore Loserman--too stupid to realize that his only value was to be the useful idiot.
November 7, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point - I keep forgetting just how enormous and overwhelming is Lieberman's ego.
November 7, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Joe, turning on your fellow democrats: UNACCEPTABLE, you have to live with the choices you make dude. Good Riddance. Join the minority caucus if you must! No body cares. Oh and good luck with your election bid in 2012, I don't think you will be senator again.
November 7, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Must you go, thank God!
Here's your hat, Joe, what's your hurry!
Come back when you can't stay so long!
November 7, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
They think this is a threat anyone cares about?
Good riddance.
November 7, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, Josh, others at TPM, keep up the great work. You guys and the bloggers are the reasons I keep coming here.
If Joe has such convictions, how can he do a 180 now, or apologize, and be credible? He's a chicken. Joe needs a dunce cap strapped on, and be tarred and feathered for the disgrace that he is to the D party.
November 7, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And thinking of this group of idiots as the destination he'd be headed for, you gotta laugh.
November 7, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw that article and almost peed my pants. Their problem is that they weren't crazy enough? Yeah. That must be it.
November 7, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Capt. Edward J. Smith to First Mate William Murdoch: "Oh, to hell with the iceburg! More coal, man, MORE COAL!"
November 7, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
So he's threatening the Democratic Party. Rich! And they're supposed to still want him WHY?
Like we really think his opinion in a caucus is still going to be valuable to us? Give me a break.
Cut him loose to go crying to the Republicans he so adores.
November 7, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
As others have said--bye, Joe.
November 7, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
C-ya!
November 7, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a THREAT?
November 7, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Lieberman, the only American who was on the losing side of the last three Presidential elections. I think he likes being a loser.
November 7, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's a professional martyr. They are the most tiresome people on earth.
November 7, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
... only American on the losing side of the last three presidential elections ...
Excellent point! LOL!
That should be on his tombstone.
November 7, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never knew that there were people who tried to climb back into the Titanic from the lifeboats...
Props, Joe. Props.
November 7, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I missing something here? This is a technicality since the majority position isn't at risk. It doesn't mean his votes will go any differently, so who the hell cares if he hangs out with the Dems? Lieberman can go to hell.
November 7, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I take back the 'no rush' comment I made a few threads back. That's it, will be writing to my dem. senator (probably should write to Spector, too - ask him to take Joe The Lieberman off our hands..)
November 7, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't write, don't call.
November 7, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. I just applied to work in the Obama/Biden Administration.
http://www.change.gov/page/s/application
What the heck. It's worth a try.
November 7, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dearest Joe,
Bite me.
Love,
The American People
November 7, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then, my dear, thrice Sore Loserman, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
November 7, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe, you have a lot of chutzpah. You are in no position to make any demands. At this point you are only entitled to a Senate office, which is now to be located next to the Capitol's dumpster. The only think you deserve is to be drummed out as the lying traitor you are, you lousy schmuck. Go ahead and caucus with the Republicans if they'll have you. They know who and what you are and I am sure they won't trust you any more than the Dems do. You made your bed, now lie in it. Maybe Gov. Palin can offer you a position in Alaska, shoveling moose shit.
November 7, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The clown is bluffing, but if he really wants to take it that far, then let him!
Let him quit, let him convert to the GOP - with six new Senate seats, it's barely noticeable, especially since Franken could very well win in a recount.
Lieberman right now is so UN-important! So pathetically useless to anyone right now and his GOP conversion will make headlines for about half a day.
Good riddance, scumbag!
November 7, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I despise Leiberman, Senator Reid is once again showing his lack of political acumen. There remains a possibility of getting a filibuster-proof majority. If the recount in Minnesota comes our way, that's 1 more. If Saxby Chambliss losses his runoff (and he probably will) that's 2. And, if Ted Stevens the felon gets kicked out, as he should, a new election in Alaska may very well produce the third giving us a 60 vote majority. Unless Harry Reid pisses off Joe Leiberman enough to send him packing. That would be a shame to have 59 votes when we could have had 60.
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November 7, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're forgetting several key things here - there are Republicans who are going to cooperate with the Democrats. Chuck Grassley's state just went blue, for example. There have been moderates all along, like Olympia Snowe, who often votes with the Democrats.
The president just won with a large large popular vote margin. The Repugs who aren't totally insane will be disposed to cooperate because the country just spoke.
They will listen. Some won't - but fuck 'em - they're the minority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are the minority now!!! Ha hahahahahahahaha!!!
November 7, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bury the minority under our Steel Boots of Justice! And bring in Iglesias as AG so he can prosecute Gonzo and Gang.
November 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck..leaving Joe in the ranks of democrats will only enhance his ego...repubs threaten a filibuster...what will Joe do??? we need his vote....bullshit!...let him go over to the GOP now and the CN voters will clean his ass up on his next election. They deserve this pleasure to boot him of their politics!
November 7, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah. Work for other votes crossing over. Having 51 did us no good. We're not going to get to 60 anyway, so we're going to have to deal with Republicans. And we'd have to deal with Joe as an indy who barely voted with the Cacus in the current congress. Let Joe go Republican if he wants. Expose him for what he is, and than take his seat in 2012.
John
November 7, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is completely wrong, because Lieberman has specifically said that the ability of the Republicans to filibuster must be preserved.
He will not be a 60th vote. His caucusing with the Dems is meaningless outside of that context. He is saying "Zero punishment for actively campaigning for McCain or I walk."
The only possible answer is: Then walk.
November 7, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
It won't matter. You can't count on Lieberman voting with the Dems, and cloture votes are rarely along party lines anyway. If they can't attract at least a few moderate (read non-suicidal) Republicans to their measure, they ought to re-think what they're proposing.
Lieberman has been taking advantage of his position as the 51st member of the caucus for two years and I'm pretty sure the rest of the caucus was looking forward to the day when they can tell him to STFU.
Besides, he's bluffing, and it's a hilariously empty bluff at that. He'll take what Reid gives him and like it. He has zero chance of re-election in CT as a Republican.
November 7, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
You think he's really going to be the 60th vote on a filibuster???
November 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
By all means share your better-than-Harry Reid's political acumen with the rest of us and explain how, exactly, you think a majority of 60 with Lieberman would be in any way different (in a way that's better) than a majority of 59 without him.
It's not like being in the Democratic caucus would make him one nano-iota more likely to vote with the Democracts on cloture motions. We're already run that experiment. The results do not permit the rejection of the null hypothesis.
November 7, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good-bye Lieberman. Hope the door hits you on the way out.
November 7, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe needs to have a talk with Chris Shays about long term prospects for New England Republicans. He's lucky he has 4 years left on his term, because I think he is looking at retirement after that.
November 7, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
McConnell is still playing old school politics thinking he needs as many people he can muster to harass the Democrats.
Unfortunate for him, Pres. Obama is going to be including some powerful hard, hitting Democrats and Republicans in his Cabinet that will work both sides of Congress effectively to the middle ground to reach consensus on Legislative issues. It'll make McConnell look like the rank, political amateur he is.
McConnell hasn't realize the Washington game is no longer playing politics...it's being transformed into a working government. He's gonna have to learn some new rules if he wants to play the game.
November 7, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is an excellent point. Team of Rivals, indeed! Bring it on.
November 7, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't read Team of Rivals yet. Does Kearns Goodwin note that while Lincoln appointed both Dems and Repubs, they were primarily from the North and that the primary ideological split was along geographic (North vs South) and not party lines?
November 7, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
That Homeland chairmanship is too powerful a position to leave in Joe's hands.
Sorry for sounding conspiratorial, but given his performances during the election, I wouldn't put it past him to order clandestine investigations on other senators in the caucus -- knowledge is power, and he's proven that he's not trustworthy.
November 7, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buh Bye!
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Seriously, if he left the caucus, he would go from senior majority member to senior(?) minority member, he won't bolt. But will we kick him out is a bigger question. We know we can't count on him for filibuster votes.
November 7, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even more contemptible is Lieberman's sniveling and to get back in Dem. good graces. What's with this guy? You bet wrong and lost, Joe. Take your medicine like an adult.
November 7, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Adios, Joe.
Don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you.
November 7, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm looking forward to this guy trying to get his ass re-elected in the Senate, even as a Independent!
The GOP will welcome him with open arms - and then immediately send him out to get coffee and donuts for everyone.
"Hey Joe, my garbage can's full - can you drop by and empty it?"
"Anything you say, Congressman Boehner!"
November 7, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's funny! -- My daughter was watching CNN with me on Wednesday and Blitzer offered the following teaser, "What will the be the role of the Republicans in the Senate in 2009?" My kid immediately shot back, "Janitors and bathroom attendants!"
November 7, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smart girl! She knows who's in charge of Washington now! :-)
November 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is great; Joe has zero leverage here. There isn't anything the GOP can offer him except membership, so his veiled threat/pout just makes him look like a spiteful loserman. If he's trying to bluff Reid, he's even more useless than I thought.
He might come to his senses and realize he'll be an obscure member (except as a punchline) of a marginalized party for 4 years --after which he'll almost certainly lose his 2012 re-bid-- but now he'll have to take an extra bite of his own crap sandwich.
I think Josh summed up Reid's position a la Joe beautifully: "Here is my offer to you. Nothing."
November 7, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dang, I forgot to mention the crawling and the groveling.
November 7, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This would be a good place for a "Hulk smash puny threat!" joke.
November 7, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Traitor Joe is the Eddie Haskell of the Senate. I hope they move his office next to Larry Craig.
November 7, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
In January, he could actually move into Craig's office. After all, Joe has clearly demostrated he has a very wide stance.
November 7, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a threat and a promise, right, Joe?
Go to your new home--they could use some Joementum.
November 7, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someonoe seriously explain to me how this is a threat- I mean that.
Joe will leave the Dem caucus....and do what? Caucus with a group of people who will not vote with him 90% of the time? How is that a threat?
Joe- you are losing your chairmanship. Period. If you were SMART, you'd find a way to stay in the Dem caucus, get a position in some piddly committee and hope to find a way to win back the hearts of the people of CT.
If Joe continues down this road he will be ignored by BOTH dems and repubs for the next four years. But then again, he made a bet. And he lost BIG TIME. So fuck him.
November 7, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Traitor Joe is the Eddie Haskell of the Senate. I hope they move his office next to Larry Craig.
November 7, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
See ya Joe. You won't be missed. And if you bolt, good luck with that senate run in 2012. Last I checked, repubs are NOT doing all that well in CT.
November 7, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
How difficult would it be to organize a recall for Traitor Joe?
November 7, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shouldn't that be Joe the Traitor rather than Traitor Joe? Joe the Lieberman would also be acceptable.
November 9, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This calls for a revival of the Good Bye Joe song, from last year!
http://witlist.blogspot.com/2006/08/good-bye-joe-song.html THURSDAY, AUGUST 17, 2006
Good Bye Joe! (a song)
Sung to the tune of "Jambalaya (On the Bayou)"
Good bye Joe, you gotta go, mi-oh my-oh
You gotta go just like that schmoe Ney from Ohio
Cunningham, Katherine Harris, and Delay-oh
One day soon all W's goons are gonna pay-oh
You ran with Gore, that's for sure, and we're grateful
But this whoring for the war is kind of hateful
The attack on Iraq was just shameful
And 'al Queda's candidate'? We've had a plateful
Move aside, Joe it's time, that's for damned sure
That's the word heard from Hawaii to New Hampshire
Ned took a stand, he's our man, that should end it
You blew it on Iraq, now don't defend it
G.O.P, R-N-C, that's your new home
With the chickenhawks and jarheads, that's where they roam You got kissed, 'George's bitch' is your new name Let Rumsfeld, Rice or Cheney be your new flame Good bye Joe, you gotta go, mi-oh my-oh You gotta go just like that schmoe Ney from Ohio Cunningham, Katherine Harris, and Delay-oh
One day soon all W's goons are gonna pay-oh
(With apologies to the late Hank Williams.)
November 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should blog this!
But then again, Hank Jr. might sue you for royalties!
November 7, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ugh. Think Progress is reporting that Evan Bayh was just interviewed on Fox News and said that Lieberman should be forgiven and allowed to keep his chairmanship! WTF? What kind of way is that for Bayh to act? How about some party solidarity for once? Let Lieberman lump it.
November 7, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The DLC must stay together forever! Long live the DLC!
Oh, it's dead? When did that happen???
November 7, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
That, among other things, is why Bayh is not veep. He's so stunningly dumb. Had he been picked as VP, that would have been Lieberman talking about *him.*
And to tuck tail and run his mouth to Fox as fast as he can?
It's going to take him and his ilk more time to learn that the same old crap will not play this time.
November 7, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best thing, no matter what, to getting Joe Lie. out of the caucus is that he could no longer get on television to undermine democratic initiatives. He has repeatedly been on simply because he's a contrarian democrat. If he were no longer a democrat, his value would be lost entirely to the media, and he'd no longer be such a thorn in the side of progress.
Just get his ass out of any leadership position.
--Ron
November 7, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank god this isn't our new VP if HRC had been nominated:
ThinkProgress: Sen. Evan Bayh: Democrats ‘Should Have a Spirit Of Forgiveness With Regard To Joe Lieberman’
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/07/lieberman-bayh
Asshole.
John
November 7, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, Bayh: now YOU'RE on our *hit list. Watch your back, dude.
November 7, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Fox News is aleady blaming Obama's win for the stock market plunge this week! WHODATHUNK???
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/07/fox-obama-market/
November 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a coordinated effort from the Riech wing. I've heard Chris Plant mouthing off about this for a couple days now. Of course it has NOTHING to do with rising unemployment, low earnings and unstable financial markets.
November 7, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
They started this during the campaign.
They were pushing the meme that the Markets are scared of Obama.
[rolls eyes]
They're going to look really fucking stupid when things start to improve, after January.
November 7, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Four years left traitor. Then you're toast. Watch the money pour in for your opponent.
November 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fate of traitors is banishment from the fellowship of community. He's toast!
November 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm actually glad to hear that Lieberman is threatening to switch parties, because I think it makes the decision easier for the Democratic caucus.
The threat to switch sides has to be meaningless as a tactic because otherwise every Senator could use it to extort a chairmanship, and it doesn't work that way. Committee assignments have to be based on seniority and leadership. And as far as leadership is concerned, Lieberman has been pulling in the wrong direction.
The real question should not be whether to punish Lieberman, but what is best for the country and the party. And what is best for the country and the party is for Lieberman to follow and not lead.
And it might have still been a tough decision for other senators, but Lieberman has now made it easier for them. The threat to switch demonstrates that Lieberman is not really interested in Democratic ideals or goals, but just his own personal aggrandizement.
So to hell with him.
November 7, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm dying laughing here - this is too funny - he's threatening us by threatening to join the...wait for it...MINORITY!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And they area a bunch of feebs to judge by that article about their meeting - the problem was they were too moderate.
I can't express how hard that makes me laugh. Yes yes, that's it, Tony Perkins! Bear down harder and lost the culture war a 3d time, bozo!
You've lost twice now. Get more extreme - I dare ya.
November 7, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
He also threatened to hold his breath until he turned blue ... I mean Red.
November 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, if Lieberman wants to go caucus with the Republicans, be my guest. It also might help Martin in his run-off with Chambliss.
Who's up for re-election in 2010? Could the Dems reasonably lose 4-5 seats?
The 60 seat filibuster-proof Senate is a crock. It's more of a GOP boogeyman than anything.
November 7, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares? Who needs this jerk?
November 7, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't it President Johnson who replied when threatened during the civil rights movement-
"Kiss my Ass."
Take a clue Reid.
November 7, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Evan Bayh thinks Joe should keep his chairmanship. He said as much while interviewed by Hannity today.
November 7, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Threaten Reid?
That's a smart tactic.
Joe, go fuck yourself.
Dave
November 7, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman is where he is because Ried doesn't have the cahones to get rid of him. Here's his big chance to not stick wih "more of the same." If he folds here, then McConnell wins and they'll eat him up just because he's so pathetic.
It's just bad bad bad all around. Get rid of him Harry. You'll feel so much better.
November 7, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Harry Reid is not the problem. He needed to keep Joe in the caucus with an even split so the Dems would have a majority and control the committees. Now that we have a clear majority, we don't need Joe the Traitor, but Reid is offering his old friend a fig leaf. Ultimately, I think he will let the caucus make the judgment.
OBTW, it is cojones.
November 7, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Testículos or gónadas. Cojones = F**K!
November 7, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Reid backs down we can replace him with Chuck Schumer or someone with a spine.
November 7, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude - he set this situation up - cut Harry some slack, people.
He was running a Senate that was almost evenly divided. He had one hell of a job running that place under those circumstances, with a totally hostile Executive.
Jeez.
November 7, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
hear! hear! I agree- with the atmosphere that he had to work in, Harry has done a done a good job.
November 7, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-frakkin-sign.
November 7, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman may be a traitor but he can still filibuster. Reid will consider all options carefully before doing anything.
That said, Lieberman is a vindictive man who has shown that he will do anything to further himself even at the expense of the taxpayers he represents. In the end I think Reid will strip him of his chairmanship rather than deal with his threats. It will be interesting to see if Lieberman gets reelected when this term is up. My guess would be no.
November 7, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's take a look at Lieberman's many accomplishments:
• Conceding the 2000 election before there was a full recount
• Speaking on behalf of John Hagee
• Speaking on behalf of Sam Fox - a contributor to the Swift boaters
• Being a constant cheerleader for the Iraq war
• Being more of an advocate for invading Iran than many republicans
• Losing the dem primary to Ned Lamont, then switching to Independent so he could stay in the race
• Being McCain's toady, helping him remember which sect of Islam Iran belongs to and what countries border Pakistan
• Backstabbing Obama during the GOP convention
• Trying to play McConnell against Reid to keep his power in the senate.
The appropriate position for Joe is to sit in his senate office stipped off all power and wait until 2012 when the people in Connecticut will finally oust this douchebag
Joe should
November 7, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
A stunning list of treacherous accomplishments. Having been emotionally traumatized by Gore's loss to Bush, my memory of that period is a little hazy. One questions:
How did it come to pass that Leiberman became Gore's running mate in 2000? Wouldn't the vetting process have unleashed his stench as soon as they started looking at him.
November 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am truly astounded that there is so much hostility toward Joe, whose undeniable moral integrity was the godsend Gore needed in the wake of the Lewinsky scandal to keep Florida in the Democratic column and keep Clinton from tarnishing our party's image with Values voters (and Wal-Mart Shoppers).
Since he seems to have an umbilical connection to the backside of McCain, I suggest he simply follow Cap'n Mac around for the rest of their careers.
November 7, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
O hell I love this comment - from the Values Voters (and Walmart shoppers) to the umbilical attachment to McCain's ass -
I salute you, sir!
November 7, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who has saluted Joe for his unflinching opposition to, well, how can I politely describe the contact between our then President and his former intern, I resent the implication I would post an inappropriate reference to that part on Senator's McCain's posterior. I came close, but no cigar.
November 7, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bye bye Joe. Don't get hit by a truck on your way out.
November 7, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should just appoint him to some far-flung ambassadorship, preferably in some minor central asian republic or some backwater in the Arab World.
November 7, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can he be Deputy U.S. Marshall to U.S. Marshall Walt Monegan in Alaska?
November 7, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Deputy Droopy Dog
November 7, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vote him out he has proven over and over that he is a traiter and can not be trusted. I am convinced that he helped to sabotage Gore's chances of winning. Lieberman will only go back and repeat everything that is said in the meeting to the media and to his republican neo-con friends.
November 7, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's another thing to think about in our post-election fervor- If he leaves the caucus now, isn't there a month or so when it's 50-50? That may be his only chit, though it's short-lived. Nothing gets done (though it's the holidays in a lame-duck congress so nothing may anyway), but timing may be his angle.
That said, If I have read these things right, something springs out at me:
1. Joe was chairman over homeland defense.
Joe was also chairman over oversight (If I remember right).
2. We have had truly criminal actions trailed back to the White House from Justice, but not where an oversight committee would even go ask? I think I read here that a primary concern regarding Joe and a new Obama administration was random, meaningless investigations of WH activity? Where has he been for 8 years??
3. The judiciary committees and intelligence committees were kept pretty busy, but how about this guy? Could he also be culpable in the stonewalling by the White House, if he was the one authorized to launch WH investigations anyway?
4. So then add the "Warrantless Wiretap Program". Add Gitmo. Part of me wants to know why none of this came up during the election itself? And why not now, if Joe is a central, intersecting figure?
5. Back when he lost the primary, he left his party to go independent. When he won against the Dem candidate, the decided to caucus with Dems, and actually said it was simply to keep his seniority.
Where I come from, if something doesn't make sense, it just means you don't have all the pieces. The question is not if Joe is a rat, but WHY is Joe a rat? He isn't stupid, or self-destructive. So what's a better deal for a self-serving politician that he is willing to lose his political future, the respect of his party and constituency, and his own long-time belief structure? I don't know, but is sure is worth asking.
November 7, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good riddance. Let him caucus with the other Independent Democrats .... um, oh yeah, that's right.
Can you have a caucus of one?
November 7, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually there is another one, Bernie the Socialist. Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. He don't want no Joe, neither.
November 7, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please-go acccross the aisle. seehow your constituents are with that! (remember them??)
November 7, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget that Lieberman went on t.v. and made the statement that all ballots from overseas should counted, when in fact there were no dates on them and no proof of when they were sent. Gore's legal staff, which was challenging those questionable ballots, was flabbergasted when Lieberman said that on t.v. Those votes were allowed, which alone made a big difference.
November 7, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm beginning to think Senator Lieberman's middle name is Massengill.
November 7, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that he's chief of staff, maybe Rahm can deliver a dead fish to Joe's house. Or better yet, maybe Joe wakes up and finds a dead pig's head in his bed.
November 7, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Valid strong feelings aside, I suppose the smart thing would be to pimp Lieberman for his support on every Dem. vote.
Let him keep his chairmanship so long as he is little more than a Dem. lapdog on votes - including votes to stop the inevitable GOP filibusters.
If he fails to tow the line on any vote, then there is absolutely no reason not to kick his ass out of both his chair position and the Dem. caucus.
November 7, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
On a serious note, the only value Joe had to the Democratic caucus was getting them to 51. After that he was irrelevant. Being the difference between 59 and 60 is absolutely meaningless.
Josh's post on the home page is way off. The only thing you can ask for in getting to 60 votes for cloture is either a)the Senator to vote his conscience or sconstiuency b) delivery on some other issue of importance to that Senator c) a show of loyalty to the administration of the Senator's party. The latter is, how shall we put it, out of the question. So why give him a committee chairmanship when the other two tools are available. The R's cannot offer him b) or c).
November 7, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I cannot stop my fingers from typing how strongly and profoundly I dislike this disgraceful and dishonest person. A senator is supposed to show examples of good moral character to other people and Mr. Snake does the opposite.
November 7, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buhhh-BYE!!
November 7, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe the gasbag is going to form a NEW party with 'The Maverick' and Lindsay the Graham Cracker called:
The three guys who nobody wants and we don't give a shit party. The start of the 'New Centrist's Movement'.
Their initials - GOF Grand old Farts.
btw - Joe is a virus.
November 7, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Byrd voluntarily giving up the most powerful chairmanships for the betterment of the Senate is the exact mirror opposite of the bullshit hijinx Lieberman is up to right now.
November 7, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
See your bed over there Senator? Go lie in it, but don't get too comfy. I don't think CT voters are going to fall for you shtick again in '12. Especially when President Obama comes into town to campaign with your Democratic challenger!
November 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe the Plumber meet Joe the loser.
November 7, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I allowed any officer in my outfit to act like Lieberman does, it would demoralize the entire corps. I say bust his balls.
November 7, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope he leaves. Fuck him.
November 7, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time for some Cromwell:
"YOU HAVE BEEN SAT TOO LONG HERE FOR ANY GOOD YOU HAVE BEEN DOING. DEPART, I SAY, AND LET US HAVE DONE WITH YOU. IN THE NAME OF GOD, GO!"
November 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares if this animated douche bag rides out his term with the Republicans? I can't see him as a very important figure in a party that will be in a civil war highlighted by the worst kind of rancor and backstabbing unless he's just going to give lessons in rancor and backstabbing.
November 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm replying to myself which, in addition to being inappropriate, is considered self abuse among certain fundamentalist sects. So I'll try not to beat this to death. Nevertheless, I'd like to note that my use of the term "douche bag" in the above comment was original to my thinking at the time it was written. Upon closer examination of other comments, I realize that this vaginal irrigation device is being used to describe the Connecticut Senator by increasing numbers of my co-commenter. Which leads me to the question: Why are more and more people thinking "douche bag" when they see Lieberman? The more traditional designations for the scum of the earth such as "shithead", "schmuck" and "fucking asshole" are being cast aside in favor of this more exotic epitaph. How come Lieberman's such a douche bag?
November 7, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shays: Lieberman’s Election “More Important”
by Paul Bass | October 18, 2006
Posted to CT Elections 2006
U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman said at a New Haven campaign stop Tuesday that he does, after all, want to see the Democrats retake control of the U.S. House of Representatives — then was joined by a Republican congressman who praised him as a “national treasure” and called Lieberman’s reelection more important than his own.
If you can stomach it, here is the video:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8490516338673869563
November 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Ted Stevens is in Jail, but not kicked out of the senate, he cannot vote from his cell. Does that make Joe more important if their are 39 Republicans plus one member of the "Joe" caucus?
November 7, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get the sense Lieberman has thought this through very clearly.
What's the point of joining a caucus you don't agree with? Is this just about lunch buddies?
If he starts voting with the Republicans -- against his own positions -- how is that going to endear him to the Connecticut voters he is supposed to represent?
I say, vote him out of the Democratic caucus and give his chairmanship to somebody who understands representative democracy.
Lieberman is finished.
November 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
No thought necessary. He's been actively threatening to bolt to the Republicans if he doesn't get his way in every little thing since 2006. Its reflex to him. Besides, what's good for Joe Lieberman is good for America and therefore anything Joe Lieberman does or says is for the good of the nation and therefore its just plain immoral to threaten him with consequences for his serial betrayals.
November 7, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, forget everything i said yesterday about lieberman and the chairmanship.
the "unacceptable" comment is grounds for immediate removal. WOW. now he's threatening the party?? fuck him, he's done. he's gone off his rocker completely.
call the bluff, remove him immediately, and force him to reveal the (R) that's been behind his name for god-knows-how-long now.
November 7, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why the hesitation? This is exactly why the Dems need new, bold leadership. Lieberman takes arrogance to a new level...his comeuppance should be swift and decisive.
November 7, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
In mid-November 2007, the Senate Democrats tried to pass a motion for cloture on a farm bill. It failed 55-42, with Lieberman, Sanders, Grassley, Smith (likely replaced by Merkley), Coleman (possibly replaced by Franken) and Thune joining the 49 Democrats. Nine months earlier, Lieberman voted against cloture in a filibuster meant to prevent the Senate from discussing a House bill explicitly rejecting Bush's plan to send another 21,500 combat troops to Iraq.
This is the spectrum for Joe. Any issue that relates tangentially to the protection of Israel, including withdrawing from Iraq, will push Lieberman to the Republicans; on just about anything else, he'll come along for the Democrats even if there's no real benefit to his constituency, like the farm bill. Connecticut's not getting rich from corn ethanol subsidies, folks. Is there a Republican out there who votes like this? I'll read any voting record you present. Collins? Snowe? Specter? Yeah, I'm sure they'll be 100% behind whatever we care to propose.
You want to be upset with Lieberman for what he said in the primaries, okay. If you just want to stick it to him because bastards like him don't cross the Democrats and emerge unscathed, then maybe we're all a little more Republican than I thought.
November 7, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
i'm a hard worker, but if i deliver veiled threats and/or ultimatums to my bosses, i expect to be taken to the woodshed for my insubordination/disrespect.
so should joe.
November 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
That may be, but Harry Reid isn't Joe's boss. Joe gets paid the same from the Treasury whether a single piece of Democratic legislation goes through, or none do.
It may be that a cost-benefit analysis shows that demoting Joe is a good move, from whatever perspective. Pushing him around for the joy of doing so publicly isn't and shouldn't be enough.
Let's remember how effective we've been in getting bills through the Senate, and remember that there's no difference between 51 and 59 when it comes to a motion for cloture.
November 8, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Therefore, regards ANY issue affecting the Mideast, Lieberman can be depended upon to break with the Dems and vote with the Repug Likudites.
Given the changed climate in D.C., one or more sensible Republicans just might come across and side with Dems on key Mideast proposals.
Not only should he be gotten rid of, the Netroots ought to begin bankrolling a recall effort in the state of CT. There would be one quick Dem pickup.
November 8, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe-mentum,
don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
November 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of all committees, Loserman should not be chairing the Homeland Security Committee. The last thing we should be doing is giving an anti-Arab racist a platform to spread fear. Its healing time.
November 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say we each send him a box of Rice-a-Roni as a lovely parting gift.
November 7, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Joe.
See ya'.
November 7, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
This despicable POS should jump ASAP. Go on Joe, we all want to see you run as a Republican in CT!
November 7, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out
November 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
What an utter twat. Goodbye and good riddance.
November 7, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say let him go. He is worthless. We now have a majority we don't need him. The only way I would even consider letting him have his chair is to make him buy time with his own money on all the major networks and make him get down on his knees in front of Obama and beg his forgiveness as well as the Democrats forgiveness and say to the world that he was a total asshole.
November 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say let him go. He is worthless. We now have a majority we don't need him. The only way I would even consider letting him have his chair is to make him buy time with his own money on all the major networks and make him get down on his knees in front of Obama and beg his forgiveness as well as the Democrats forgiveness and say to the world that he was a total asshole.
November 7, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
After reading the piece regarding the 60 vote majority I realize that is not a reason to keep Joe. We forget that the yellow dogs or was that blue dogs will do whatever it takes to stay elected. I wouldn't count on SD Senator Tim Johnson to do what is right for the country. Please keep TJ off of the banking committee. No one that voted in favor of the 2005 bankruptcy bill should be anywhere near that committee.
November 7, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin-Lieberman 2012!
House Democrats who claim Lieberman is ok because he votes with them except on the war is like claiming I'm ok except for the bullet in my brain.
It's time to heal. Extract this cancer known as Lieberman.
November 7, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
re: Lieberman bolting the dem caucus:
To paraphrase Shakespeare, "Tis a consumation devoutly to be wished !"
November 8, 2008 3:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Liebarmand is Chair of Homeland Security, but he never held a hearing, not even on Katrina. That should be enough to get him replaced.
November 8, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman should join the rats and hang out in the alley where he belongs.
November 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I actually hope that the Democrats do NOT win all three of the presently "toss-up" races. If they do, then Lieberman’s vote becomes the 60th, and therefore crucial to breaking filibusters- and I can’t stand the idea of that smarmy little worm having that much power.
Right now, Kos is trying to start a movement among the people to pressure Reid and the rest of the Senate Democrats to boot Lieberman from his chairmanships of various committees. I think it’s great. Let him continue to caucus with them if they want, but as far as I’m concerned he should have as much seniority as any other Senator elected just two years ago.
That, after all, is when he was first elected to the Senate as a member of the “CFL” party.
So he's saying “well, then I’ll bail and caucus with the Republicans”. So what? Merely CAUCUSING with them doesn’t help them any- so they might throw him a little bone and make him the “ranking member” of a committee or two, but the reality is that they’re not going to give him any kind of serious power.
And they’re certainly not going to vote with his positions on many, many issues (assuming, of course, that he continues to vote on social issues in the way he has in the past.)
So frankly, unless it’s for that all-important 60th vote, Lieberman’s vote isn’t important to the Democrats. Enforcing *some* party discipline, however, IS. I’m not normally a huge fan of the parties using power plays to “whip” members into line, but I think it’s called for when the guy was out there shilling not just for McCain but for Republicans of all kinds.
So… let’s hope that one of these races goes clearly into Republican territory (I’d bet on Georgia, myself) and we can dispense with Lieberman.
November 8, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
So? Who cares if he leaves the caucus? He can't be trusted. In the unlikely event he's Number Sixty, would he vote to break the filibuster? I dunno. So, go joe!
November 8, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman is King Rat. The Democratic Party doesn't need anymore Rats. Does CT have a recall provision? I say Dump His Ass.
November 8, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he wants to call him self independent, we should help him. Toss him out of the causus and take away his chairmanships. If he wants to be Republican, he can help himself. Democratic? What has he done to show he loves them lately?!?
November 8, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's possible that one or both Maine senators would vote with the Dems on key issues, that they will not stand for continued filibustering, given the stark reality of present/emerging conditions.
Not only can he resign from the Dem party, Joe can resign from America and go join the Likud. That's where he really belongs.
November 8, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boot Joe, he is not a reliable 60th vote anyway, boot his ass out the door, and make sure eveyone knows he was booted!
November 8, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not forget that we still have a Georgia Senate runoff to fight, where our Chicken Hawk Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) is a real bottom-feeder of a Senator. He took the seat in 2002 by charging that triple amputee and decorated Vietnam vet, Max Cleland, was unpatriotic and a threat to our national security. Like the neocons, Chambliss did this despite receiving FIVE deferments from military service himself, most of them on the flimsiest of rationales. He is now running commercials exploiting the images of the tragic events of 9/11, and is somehow trying to connect the tragedy to his opponent, Jim Martin, who was a Georgia public official at the time. I certainly hope progressives out there in the rest of the nation will give something to Jim Martin, and thus retire once-and-for-all the sleaziest member of the US Senate. Help us in GA! This election is not completely over.
November 9, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
My belief is he should never have been re-elected in the first place! Conn. voters seem to be rather stupid or foolish......take your pick.
November 10, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't stop the song in my head.
"So long.
Farewell.
Auf Wiedersehen.
Goodbye!"
November 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
For more in-depth analysis, check out what BuzzFlash has to say on the subject
here
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/143
and here
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/144
November 17, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink