Leahy Becomes First Senator To Demand Lieberman's Ouster From Homeland Security Committee
We now have our first Dem Senator who has come on the record and called for Joe Lieberman to be booted from his plum spot on the Homeland Security committee.
In an interview with Vermont Public Radio today, Senator Patrick Leahy left no doubt whatsoever: He believes Lieberman should be given the push.
"Every Senator will have to vote the way he or she believes they should," Leahy said, in a reference to the upcoming vote on Lieberman's fate in the Dem caucus next week. "I'm one who does not feel that somebody should be rewarded with a major chairmanship after doing what he did."
"I felt some of the attacks that he was involved in against Senator Obama...went way beyond the pale," Leahy continued. "I thought they were not fair, I thought they were not legitimate, I thought they perpetuated some of these horrible myths that were being run about Senator Obama."
"I would feel that had I done something similar," Leahy concluded, "that I would not be chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in the next Congress."
This interview, first summarized by a Daily Kos diarist, could prove a blow to Liebrman. The Connecticut Senator seemed to be building up some momentum, with Barack Obama saying he held "no grudges" against him, a quote that some Senators and Lieberman allies started using to claim support from Obama.
Several Senators voiced qualified support for Lieberman, and a few were even said to be lobbying in his favor behind the scenes. And while Senator Harry Reid earlier seemed to be sending signals that he wanted support for Lieberman's ouster, he recently was reported to be in discussions about a possible deal on Lieberman's behalf.
Now, though, these quotes from the well-respected Leahy could prompt others to make public statements against Lieberman and could shift the momentum against him a bit in advance of the full Dem caucus' vote on Lieberman's fate next week.
Late Update: Here's audio...
















I knew we weren't going to make it through the day without a Lieberman post. But if we've got to have one, this is a pretty decent one in my book.
November 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Another entry into the Lieberman chronicles.
This is the first real move against him. I know that
"Barack Obama saying he held 'no grudges' against him, a quote that some Senators and Lieberman allies started using to claim support from Obama."
is what has been said, but let's get real. Obama is distancing himself from Senate issues right now, as shown by his timely resignation. This isn't his game to play outright. Also, 'no grudges' is miles away from supporting Lie and I am sure that if Lie is stripped of his posts, Obama's not going to lose any sleep over it. This is the first real move, and it being Leahy is showing that it is a very strong move.
November 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
We need to e-mail Sen. Leahy and thank him for bing only a handful of Democrats with a spine and a moral forseight.
November 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see criticisms of Leiberman that have more substance to them, rather than just those related to partisan issues.
To wit:
- Michael Brown(FEMA) "Well-qualified!"
- Hearings(or lack thereof) on the substance of DHS issues and problems (He is the chair, after all.)
November 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed - I think that, while Obama may not hold a grudge, he's taking the high road and leaving this up to the Senate democrats to decide.
This seems wise -- he shouldn't be seen as part of this fight, should be above it all. Let nobody say he pressured anybody to do anything with regard to Short Ride.. and let nature take its course.
David
November 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed - I think that, while Obama may not hold a grudge, he's taking the high road and leaving this up to the Senate democrats to decide.
This seems wise -- he shouldn't be seen as part of this fight, should be above it all. Let nobody say he pressured anybody to do anything with regard to Short Ride.. and let nature take its course.
David
November 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed - I think that, while Obama may not hold a grudge, he's taking the high road and leaving this up to the Senate democrats to decide.
This seems wise -- he shouldn't be seen as part of this fight, should be above it all. Let nobody say he pressured anybody to do anything with regard to Short Ride.. and let nature take its course.
David
November 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed - I think that, while Obama may not hold a grudge, he's taking the high road and leaving this up to the Senate democrats to decide.
This seems wise -- he shouldn't be seen as part of this fight, should be above it all. Let nobody say he pressured anybody to do anything with regard to Short Ride.. and let nature take its course.
David
November 14, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed - I think that, while Obama may not hold a grudge, he's taking the high road and leaving this up to the Senate democrats to decide.
This seems wise -- he shouldn't be seen as part of this fight, should be above it all. Let nobody say he pressured anybody to do anything with regard to Short Ride.. and let nature take its course.
David
November 14, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed - I think that, while Obama may not hold a grudge, he's taking the high road and leaving this up to the Senate democrats to decide.
This seems wise -- he shouldn't be seen as part of this fight, should be above it all. Let nobody say he pressured anybody to do anything with regard to Short Ride.. and let nature take its course.
David
November 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed - I think that, while Obama may not hold a grudge, he's taking the high road and leaving this up to the Senate democrats to decide.
This seems wise -- he shouldn't be seen as part of this fight, should be above it all. Let nobody say he pressured anybody to do anything with regard to Short Ride.. and let nature take its course.
David
November 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh no - so so sorry for all the multiples.. first timer (obviously!) Must've been a hiccup :) Will do better..
David
November 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
And we now have this report throwing cold water on Bayh's theory that the Senate can always get rid of Lieberman later if he acts up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/bayhs-defense-of-lieberma_n_143863.html
November 14, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Evan Byah's interview was really bizzare. I didn't see any reasoning in his argument.
November 14, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of his argument is based on the idea that Joe will vote with the Repubs even if he thinks the Democrats are on the correct side of the issue in order to exact revenge. I would like to think, in spite of his stand on some issues, that Joe is a little more patriotic than that.
November 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the fact that you can try to see better things in Joe.
I have no doubt that Joe isn't all that patriotic.
November 14, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
He would probably conduct some tomfoolery with some bills, but I can't believe that he would work to defeat initiative such as health care, financial or education reforms that he believed would be in the best interests of the country.
November 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then again, he actively supported McCain (and by extension that stupid woman) solely on a single issue (and he is on the wrong side of it, even).
That seems to suggest he is (1) not exactly the type of guy who acts in the best interests of the country and (2) can easily sacrifice major domestic issues for his insane foreign policy agenda. Simply, he can't be trusted. And I guess that's the whole point (rather than his harsh words during the campaign per se).
November 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very well stated.
November 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is loyal to his country, its just that his country is Israel.
November 14, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for restating the obvious. I'm lost as to how a bunch of seemingly intelligent people could waver so much over what to do about this untrustworthy, backstabbing pimp for AIPAC. I am a former Connecticut native (grew up in Waterford), and I feel ashamed that this creature ever called himself a democrat. Get rid of this turd, democrats !
November 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You concede to a guy because you don't want him to exact revenge? That is a weird reason to stand for or against Joe.
I just think most Senators should take a clear position and stand by it. Either for or against lil'joe.
November 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, exactly - ty.
So at last we find a Democratic Senator with a spine. TY SENATOR LEAHY.
Lol at dems making deals with Loserman. So typical of spineless Reid and his sheep-like ilk.
Loserman is a disgrace, and while for political expediency Dems must caucus with him, NO WAY should he keep chairmanship of such an important oversight committee that he has been completely incompetent running.
Lieberman must GO.
November 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone please go to www.Liebermanmustgo.com and signthe petition, and e-mail all those Sen. on the steering committee and let them know that we elected a President, and we can unelect them, especially Sen. Dobbs.
November 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone please go to www.Liebermanmustgo.com and signthe petition, and e-mail all those Sen. on the steering committee and let them know that we elected a President, and we can unelect them, especially Sen. Dobbs.
November 14, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bayh's comments never made sense even without the threat of filibuster. If you can't get a majority of the Democratic caucus to agree to strip the chairmanship now, what makes you think you can get 51 of them later?
November 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fly in this ointment is the likelihood of the Repubs leaping to Traitor Joe's rescue. I don't see them all that enamoured of him -- if they were, why hasn't he lept fully into their arms by now? Nobody likes a traitor and getting down in the gutter to filibuster the rescue of a slimeball like Lieberman isn't going to appeal to anyone with a sense of honor (of course, I'm making a hugh assumption about GOP notions of honor). After all, he's voted against them 90% of the time. With stooges like that....
November 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dan,
Excellent point and it's duly noted on my side that this puts a serious hole in the position I was advocating yesterday. My argument only holds if there's a reasonable likelihood of the Dems being able to carry out the threat of removing the chairmanship for Traitor Joe not playing ball. If that's not the case then I agree wholeheartedly with you that they should simply do so now.
November 14, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a big fan of Leahy. Also, just because Leahy and Barack have such a good relatioship, may be it's not fully unfair to imagine what are the President-Elects impressions on the Liebermann issue.
I just wish there were a few more democrats like Leahy. Also, I kinda liked him in the Dark Knight.
November 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you have a good point. Obama's playing this one close to the vest, BUT....
November 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is more to the Lieberman contretemps than meets the eye. Joe has a personal vendetta against Obama. No apology from him is going to change his desire to do damage to Obama. The Democrats would be big time stupid to give him back his chairmanship. Better to have him outside the tent pissing in than inside the tent and setting fire to the place and thwarting Obama's agenda.
November 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leahy is a great American. All are gains (or most of them) are for naught if we let this traitorous asshole back into a leadership position. Why did America vote for change?
November 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a hard time believing that the fate of the world rests upon whether or not Joe Leiberman retains his chairmanship.
November 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just because the complete fate of the world doesn't rest on this issue doesn't discount the fact that it is of importance.
Our congress is not accustomed to expressing healthy boundaries. Just look at the last 8 years. They have been walked all over, conciliatory, and complicit to our detriment.
The senate needs to express some healthy boundaries here. Lieberman was not doing a good job in the chairmanship prior to the election.
He not only questioned whether Senator Obama was a Marxist... he fed into the myths and stories that were inspiring hatred and violence in the McCain/Palin rallies. This is about not rewarding his outrageous behavior and feeding his practice of intense manipulation in the senate. He needs to experience some consequences. I think he should be welcome to caucus with the democrats. He should not be committee chair of Homeland Security.
November 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you. Believe me, I won't shed a tear if Joe is kicked to the curb.
My point was in response to the "all the gains are for naught" argument of the previous post. That's just silly.
Of all the things people want to see "change" in this country (people being the American people, not just TPM addicts), I don't see Joe Lieberman's Senate role being high on the list.
November 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. While I believe Lieberman should be booted from the Homeland Security committee chair, I doubt he is long for this world (politically) in any case.
Question: Will the upcoming caucus vote on Lieberman apply only to the lameduck session, and won't committee assignments be redone in the new session?
November 14, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotcha!
November 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I FEEL ya, traitorjoe.
It does seem like we are tolerating a traitorous, treacherous reptile!
November 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Dems cannot ditch Lieberman fast enough, in my opinion. Er, that is, take away his chairmanship and watch him bail. As for losing the possibility of a filibuster-proof majority, that only means anything if the Dems can trust Lieberman to vote with them when they really need him. Yeah, that's a smart bet. C'mon.
November 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pat,
I've got a crush on you, sweetie-pie.
November 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent. I was wondering when and who would be the first. I tip my hat to you, Sen Leahy, and to all of your constituents in VT.
November 14, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't hold back, Pat. Tell us what you _really_ think!
I hope Joe The Schmoe gets his dick stuck in the elevator door on his way down to Purgatory.
November 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Jews believe in Purgatory. Neither do most Christians.
November 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
My personal fantasy is that Leahy leads a faction of serious Dems (Feingold, Whitehouse, etc.) out of the wilderness of the Lieberman-Bayh-Dodd-Pelosi pseudoCracy, and into an alternate universe where John Conyers is allowed to mention the word 'impeachment' at a hearing.
Seriously, with Republican obstructionism and Bayh-inflected collusion a given, there is nothing left to lose.
November 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you on that fantastic voyage!
November 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman will get at least the more Conservative Senators, like Casey, Bayh, Pryor, both Nelsons, maybe Carper and Feinstein, Rockefeller and Salazar, etc.
I wonder if we'll know how each Senator voted. Maybe not unless its leaked.
November 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the vote will be by a secret ballot, I doubt anyone will really know -- doubtless some will argue one way, then vote the other.
November 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT: I left you another Al link, if you're interested (on the other thread):
Al, Al, Al
November 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good. I've emailed my Senators and told them they need to vote against keeping Lieberman as Chair of the Committee. Get rid of him! If he wants to join the Republican caucus... good riddance.
November 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have TWO Democratic Senators? Not fair! Kentucky has none! Give us one of yours.
November 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leahy: We're not intimidated by punks like you!
Lieberman: You remind me a lot of my father....I HATED MY FATHER.
November 14, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Senator Leahy. I might develop a crush on you if you keep acting this way.
November 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh thank god, finally!
November 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leahy would make an excellent US Attorney General.
November 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
could not agree more
November 14, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Lieberman going to tell Leahy to go fuck himself or will he call up Cheney and ask him to do it?
November 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe needs to go. After what he said about Barack Obama during the campaign, it is not a matter of holding grudges or not, it is just wrong for him to be allowed to stay as a Democrat and as the Chairman of a poerful committee.
Joe elections have consequences. You did not have to be so mean spirited and deceitful in your support of John McCain. It would have been okay for you to support McCain but not too speak ill of Barack Obama when you did not have to.
Moose
November 14, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah.
I just can't even believe this is UP for discussion after watching Lieberman stand up at that RNC and tell folks...forget party affliation..this is a time to put Country First...not to mention how he said we would not be safe with Obama as CinC.
WTF is to DISCUSS?!!
Joe's got to GO!!
November 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like Leahy didn't get Chris Dodd's memo.
November 14, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vetween Country Wide and this I'm thinking he's another douchebag from CT.
November 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Easy there fella.
You bash Alaska, now Connecticut? How does a State get off your shit list?
November 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dodd= Banking industry.
Leiberman= Insurance industry.
The two together equal major money spent by lobbyists to get what they want during this economic crisis. Think AIG.
That's what Dodd has been smoking- the corporate bank/insurance/investment lobbyist money pipe.
November 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It pains me to agree, but I think you're correct.
November 14, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which is better, money pipe or pole?
Woohoo! (Hey it's Friday, give me a break!)
November 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
lol!
November 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good on Leahy.
November 14, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only rationale for not taking away Lieberman's chairmanship is the 60 vote thing, which, if we even get it (with 3 seats still up in the air), will mean Lieberman will get the spotlight, with his whiny, smarmy visage, as he intones how sorry he is that the unpatriotic Dems have moved away from what's best for the USA and for that reason he is against a filibuster. So what's the point?
He is unreliable, disloyal and absolutely self-interested. He has stated that he is against the filibuster.
After the crap he said about the Dem President-elect during the campaign, it just boggles my mind that there are *any* Congressional Dems who back him.
November 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has stated he's against ditching the filibuster (wow: was Joe part of the original annoying Gang of 14?), so what, really, is the point of keeping him in the caucus? They kick him out, they lose his vote. They keep him, they still lose his vote.
I was feeling better about this yesterday, but now I'm back in the "get rid of him, NOW" frame of mind.
November 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't agree more. Bayh and Dodd and their ilk want to keep Lie in his chairmanship for two reasons:
1) personal affection (dismiss this out of hand)
2) trying to stack as many votes on the D side as possible.
Does anyone think that Lie will actually fall in line? With any vote? The man is politically radioactive and has nothing to lose by voting his own way EVERY TIME. He knows he has no shot of being re-elected, so the idea that either ideology or loyalty (or as the product of some good will) he will stay in line is a fucking joke.
Boot him. Now. Get this shit done before Obama takes office so that Obama doesn't have to even think about it.
November 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
YAY, a Democratic Senator with balls, they've all been so wishy washy on this issue (see Amy Klobuchar last night on Maddow's show).
November 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, now that one Senator's finally spoken out, the rest will probably fall into place pretty quickly.
November 14, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Compromise. Throw Lieberman a frikkin bone but DON'T let him chair Homeland Security. That is the one issue where he is against the rest of the caucus. Let him chair a committee where his views are in line with the party.
That is not punishment. That is practical. We can't have the Homeland Security Committee going rogue.
November 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think maybe part of what is moving this discussion towards keeping Liebermann is the fact that so many Republicans have felt a kinship with him and his decisions over the last eight years. There might be a political advantage with the GOP in the senate by keeping him a part of the caucus. However I agree with all of the commentators on here who believe that he needs to be stripped of his current chairmanship of Homeland Security. Not simply because of his actions during the election but mostly because of his rhetoric over the last five years of stoking the flames of aggressive foreign diplomacy simply because we are America. It would seem that Joe needs to listen to what former president Clinton expounded on at the DNC convention, namely that America is best served by the power of its example not an example of its power.
November 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pat Leahy for Majority Leader! Tepid Dems, Go Cheney yourself!
November 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's Harry Reid waiting for? you've got a President, you've got the majority. Get rid of Lieberman you don't need him. He's threatening you with .... what?
November 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman, an active member of the republican election committee, shouldn't not be rewarded the chairmanship. The spoils go to the winner. He is part of the losing team.
November 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's hope the Neville Chamberlain-Evan Bayhs get their ass handed to them Tuesday. Republicans didn't have 60 and they got everything they wanted. Backbone time.
November 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a game of chicken. Two cars racing at each other with the gas pedals to the floor. Leiberman's problem is that he only has one car. The Democrats have a garage full of cars. In that there are a lot of fall-back options open to the caucus.
Firstly, I think they need to make Leiberman a fair but hard deal.
They certainly, definitely need to remove Leiberman from Homeland Security. At the same time, it shouldn't be taken from him without immediately offering him another substantial chairmanship. Any chairmanship in an area that he's in full agreement with most Democrats would be fine. He should be offered no chair having anything to do with national defense. He should be offered almost any chair in social areas.
If Leiberman goes postal, bring in Susan Collins and Olympia Snow. Tell them that the first to switch parties will get top level committees. The President has a few ways to sweeten such deals. He could offer the Senator a few politically insignificant but luxurious ambassadorships for whomever they like. Monaco, Luxembourg, Fiji.
Given the political winds, I suspect one of them would switch. If neither took the bait, then a Republican Senator or two could probably be peeled off for simple cloture on most votes, perhaps even McCain.
November 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Leiberman's problem is that he only has one car. The Democrats have a garage full of cars. In that there are a lot of fall-back options open to the caucus."
Kinda like the 50 state strategy. Lets hope this becomes the rule.
November 14, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
OOOweee!
What a great plan. You are a good negotiator/strategist...like it!!
November 14, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, I'll take Fiji, definitely.
November 14, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only 35% of Connecticut voters would re-elect Lieberman if the election was held now:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/14/10476/841/187/660873
November 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh. That many?
November 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Methinks that 35% = Repugs.
November 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
We really are stuck with him. That just sucks so bad.
November 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Leahy for speaking out. Now let's think about this 60 vote thing. Suppose a piece of progressive legislation comes up on a topic Lieberman has always supported. Suppose Lieberman would be the 60th vote on cloture. He would have to show he has absolutely no integrity left were he to vote against cloture. And if he did not support progressive social legislation, he'd kill whatever backing he had left in Connecticut. Leave him in the caucus, but strip him of a major committee chairmanship.
November 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw crap - Leahy demanded Lieberman's ouster? Now we can be sure that it never happens, like all the demands for accountability over the past four-plus years. This is just another Sternly-Worded-Letter, thus guaranteeing old Shitface is rewarded for his bad behavior.
November 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Deal! NONE. Liebermann got us into a heap of crap by not standing up for Al Gore in 2000. He has played this game before in the Florida recount. He did not stand up and be counted as a Democrat and rolled over and played dead.
No Deal!
November 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the Senate Dem's need to make Joe chair of the committee on outreach to New England Republican House members.
November 14, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Senate Dems lack of a spine never ceases to amaze me. Someone tell these cowards that they control things now not Leiberman or the repubs. How can these Dems stand up for us when they don’t have the balls to put Leiberman in his place. It’s like if your best friend screws your wife and you take him back like nothing happened. Leiberman cant be trusted he has been screwing the Dems for years by avoiding investigating Katrina and Blackwater. His deplorable actions in the election should be cause enough to kick his traitor and unpardonable ass to the curb. The Dems are under this delusion that if Leiberman remains in their caucus all will be fine and he will side with them on all of their issues. Yeah right, fuck Joe Leiberman he is liar with no character. Joe looks out for Joe and no one else
November 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think in the scenario you posed it would be your wife you take back and your wife who screwed your best friend. After all, Lieberman was a democrat.
November 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's one thing to support your buddy but Leiberman crossed a line and continued the dishonest narrative that his right wing elders created. He should be stripped of his committee position and be allowed to prove himself again.
Did he do anything on the committee? I didn't think so.
November 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sen Leahy ALWAYS had the cognones...Go Senator
November 14, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Holy Joe, looks like you'll be sitting on the back bench, reading Balzac!
November 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Write Leahy to express your support and thanks, and write your own Senators or CALL NOW. Let them know how egregious we think Lieberman's behavior was.
November 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I emailed Dodd again today about Lieberman. I'm not sure he pays much attention to me, though, as I've called him a "whore for the banking industry" on more than one occasion.
It's an involuntary reaction, I see a corrupt douchebag politician, and I just start screaming "Corporate Whore! Corporate Whore!"
I think I need help.
November 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've never called Dodd a whore, and he hasn't responded to any of my e-mails about this. And I was nice, too!
I don't think he wants to know how interested and committed Dems in CT feel about Joe.
November 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was kidding, I never called Dodd a whore (to his face, anyway). It is just mind boggling how far removed our Senators seem from their constituents lately.
November 14, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Patrick Leahy. Senator. Statesman. Patriot. Deadhead.
What's not to love?
November 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please don't subject us to any of your scratchy bootlegs from the 70's!
November 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
LIE must go. period. Not after all he did to embarrass the Democrats, and specifically his uncalled for scathing attacks on Sen. Obama's person, while being the sidekick for Sen. McNasty. Such attacks are still now being used by the neo-cons to continue to trash Sen. Obama. Finally, we have a Dem, Sen. Lehay, who has got spine.
I sent emails to Reid, Pelosi, Jessie Jackson, Jr., Byah to loose LIE pronto! Let's send emails to all the Congress people and demand letting this traitor go! He is a disgrace, a one-issue zealot, doesn't have the people of Conn at heart neither America as a whole. He is a mean-spirited, vengeful Republican! So what if he wants to caucus with those peurveyors of hate, his sleazy Repub cronies.
November 14, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand and agree with Lehey's principled argument, but in the end, that isn't the basis upon which most senators will make their decision. There will be pragmatic political considerations, those considerations will win the day.
That said, I do not understand how Leiberman has as much pull with this issue as he seems to have. IMO, he's a paper tiger. Dems are not likely to get 60 votes in the Senate, even with Leiberman, so, what difference does his one vote make? Not much. And, does anyone really believe that Leiberman would enjoy voting with the Republicans on social issues? My guess is there is more to this than anyone has reported on yet. Why would some Dems even want to keep him happy - what's the benefit? Just because they like him? Bullshit. That's not what's going on here. There is something happening behind the scenes that's not being reported on - guaranteed.
November 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Insurance company lobbyist money.
November 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
They stripped House Democrats from Comm. chairs in 1964 after they supported Goldwater- they should do it now with Leiberman as well.
November 14, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
FINALLY...a Senator with some sense...let Senator Reid and President-Elect Obama know that keeping Senator Lieberman as Homeland Security Committee Chair is unaceptable! I have already sent emails to both. Contact your Democratic Senator now! Living in Texas, I unfortunately don't have a Democratic Senator but we will be working on that!
November 14, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
His despicable behavior during the campaign certainly merits action, but, as Rachel Maddow well-noted last night, his utter failure to perform any oversight at all re W's misdeeds (cf. Waxman)is reason enough to yank his chairmanship.
November 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Life is a two-way street. In the words of Arthur Miller: "Attention must be paid."
November 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are three possible reasons for Lieberman's performances:
He's an incurable egomaniac...
He has an IQ 2 points below plant life...
He has balls so big that he must carry them in a wheel barrow!
November 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can anyone come up with a compelling reason why the Dems would want to keep Lieberman in his current chairmanship position?
I have yet to hear THAT explanation from anyone, anywhere.
November 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is most frustrating about this scene is that, due to decorum, the Senators must act as if Lieberman is an honorable person though everyone knows he isn't.
It's enough to make one heave.
November 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bravo for Senator Leahy! He understands that you can’t let people walk all over you and your friends in this life. He understands that miscreants like Lieberman will continue to behave badly if they are rewarded for their bad behavior as Senators Nelson, Nelson, Bayh and Salazar would have.
Joe Lieberman was uncivil and dishonest in this election. As one of tens of thousands of Democrats who have supported the DSCC and Dem candidates and helped make this majority possible, I am outraged that Senate Dems would spit in our collective eye. DSCC, if you reward Lieberman, forget my campaign donations.
Look, Senate Dems, if you can’t stand up for yourselves, why should we expect you to stand up for us?
They need to end this distraction soon and strip Sanctimonious Joe of his Chairmanship.
Way to go, Senator Leahy! Yay!
November 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely!!
November 14, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word on the street is that Feingold is against Leiberman keeping the chair as well. Not surprising, Russ frakkin' rules!
November 14, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. You're saying something nice about Feingold????
(you know I'm just teasing....)
November 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
;)
November 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Senator Feingold!
November 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have known all along that this traitor will show his true colors.
I don't know why they are trying to keep him now since they have enough vote without him. I really think that they should do away with him soonest. He is nothing but a conniving back biter that he really is all along.
More grease to the elbows of Senator Leahy. I just wished that there are more people like him.
November 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some Democratic Senators simply want to prove the Republicans are correct when they accuse Democrats of tolerating treason, spies, and disloyalty.
November 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the tide is turning for Lieberman.
November 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a compromise we can all agree with: make Lieberman Chair of the Massage Chair committee. He will be in charge of Ted Stevens. Fair enough?
November 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd prefer that he be in charge of Mr. Wide Stance, myself.
November 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a compromise we can all agree with: make Lieberman Chair of the Massage Chair committee. He will be in charge of Ted Stevens. Fair enough?
November 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman is incorrigible. Collegiality and Senatorial decorum are fine, but the man has actively campaigned against our new president. He said many vicious, ugly things and gladly promoted Republican talking points (lies). Fine, there are a few Blue Dogs who aren’t much better. Boot him off the chairs he now holds. Give him the Small Business assignment and tell him that he might get something better if he behaves. Unless I’m missing something here, what can Lieberman do for us besides more treachery? If he throws a fit and joins the Republicans (I’d argue that he’s already done it and is now an agent provocateur for them), so what? I say call his bluff and if he bolts, good riddance to bad rubbish. Don't worry about Joe's future. He'll end up on Fox or in an endowed wingnut chair somewhere. You betcha.
November 14, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Backstabbing Joe has already said on the record that he favors the filibuster to save us from those chicken anti-war liberals. Don't think kissing the Dems kissing his behind is going to keep him from reaching over & stabbing them in the back again.
Evan Bayh is way cuter than Lieberman, but just as much a master of situational ethics; i.e. he can never find a situation where ethics is essential.
Pat Leahy is an American hero. Greg's good news is featured on www.RealityChex.com
November 14, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman, regardless of whether he bolts or not should be considered as a Republican because he CANNOT be trusted. Can him!
November 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's get real here folks. I'm no fan of Joe Leiberman but his attacks weren't as bad as Hiliary Clinton's during the campaign. And she may just get rewarded with the Secretary of State job. It's all about politics. Nothing new here. I thought this election was about bringing the country together. Instead, it's politics as usual. How sad.
November 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't recall Clinton puzzling over whether Obama was a Marxist.
In any event, my objections to him have little to do with what he said during the campaign, and everything to do with his chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee.
November 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Putting aside feelings for justice, and focusing on the politics, I think Lieberman's history shows he serves his own interests. The question now is, who's agenda will he follow in the future? I think he has the biggest chance with the Dem party, the Repubs turned on him with Palin, and he'll not have another chance in that party because he didn't deliver the voters. I predict that he'll side with the Dems in the future, because that's where he has the best chance at power.
November 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Leahy. Even if Lieberman stays, it's good to know some Dem opposition went on record.
November 14, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Senator Leahy! I'd like to see someone do a poll on how many people want Lieberman out of that job. Just curious if I'm part of a vocal minority or if most Democrats agree with me. It should be broken down by party affiliation.
November 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least someone in the Senate still has a pair.
November 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is just the democrats' witch hunt for their own Benedick Arnold. He ran from them at top speed hoping for a better deal after 9/11. He knew the money was headed that way and was hoping to get his hand in the pie before Bush gave the job to one of his own cronies.
They are both the same scum though; Bush and Lieberman. They both really are. As for the democrats hunting him, he deserves it. I just wish that they weren't getting my tax dollars to do it.
If the Senate believes Cicero to be a traitor, perhaps they can take care of it after hours. http://mediacondom.com
November 14, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Appreciation for Sen. Leahy's demonstration of integrity and leadership can be sent here:
senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov
Or on his Senate contact-page:
http://leahy.senate.gov/contact.cfm
November 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, I'm sure they can find a suitable job for Sen Lieberman.
November 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I heard Pelosi say there was going to be a greater bipartisanship in congress I was afraid she was talking out of the "other side" of her face. Revenge against Leiberman... so sad. Obama will show his true colors and you will understand why Senator Leiberman could not back Obama. ACORN's top 2 politicians receiving money Dobbs and Obama. Rahm Emanuel (Obama's chief of staff) was on the ACORN board when they were lying about their finances, which is a huge factor for this recession (the sub prime loan problems actually started under Carter. Clinton made then worse). Barney Frank’s (leader of the Financial Services Committee) boyfriend ran Fannie Mae for several years in the 90’s and raked in $90 million. Hhmmm, can you say conflict of interest Barney.
Has anyone heard of Margaret Sanger? After a lengthy incubation, the sick dreams of Margaret Sanger were finally hatched. Against the excuses of her modern defenders, it should be remembered that the founder of Planned Parenthood's main interest in the legalization of abortion was not that women should be freed from the bonds of childbearing but an attempt at eugenics -- to cap breeding by “inferior” humans (nonwhites, the disabled, and the insane). She also supported the controversial 1950s pill trials in Puerto Rico, in which poor women were given dangerous, sometimes fatal doses.
Although Planned Parenthood has tried desperately to shred the files of its founding mother, Margaret Sanger herself has left a detailed record of how she lived and how she thought. The most unimpeachable source of the former is her autobiography, written in 1938, and of the latter, her landmark book, "The Pivot of Civilization," written in 1922, that unsavory types should be cleansed from the larger population. Do not take my word (which I doubt most of you will not) read her books. You can probably get them from your local library, Amazon or other bookstore. It is truly sad that Obama is about to give Planned Parenthood full access to the poor, disabled, and insane. Life should be respected without consideration of race, economic standing, abilities, or disabilities.
November 14, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some of Sanger's beliefs are discredited, but were not uncommon in the early 20th century. Hitler put the kibosh on the legitimacy of eugenics, although I suspect that deep down inside Limbaugh and Hannity and their ilk would like to see extermination of inferior humans.
Sanger's views on eugenics have nothing to do with the issue of choice today. The focus is on personal freedom to have, or not have a child.
Read up, ACORN is a red herring issue.
Lieberman is a traitor to the party and, like McCain, has always been in favor of unprovoked war against Arab (and Persian) states. The Bush Doctrine is an anti-American position and we have to move sharply away from it.
November 14, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suggest leaving him in place but subjected to a definite chill. The voters will have their way and his opponent can ask them whether they can trust him to do what's right for them.
November 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Lieberman is a coward, running with whomever the Republican was who won the nomination, leaving behind the Democrat party, yet still participating in the process, seemingly with no principles. The Democrats are under no obligation to have him continue to participate in their Party, just as he did not participate in their process for President. Congratulations to Leahy for saying so. I think the citizens of Connecticut were screwed over royally when they voted him into office.
November 14, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
As Barack Obama says he holds "no grudges" against Lieberman, is it not a form of a witch hunt now to pursue Lieberman with vengence. Is this what the Obama ministration wants to be remembered for in History?
November 15, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who said anything about "Kicking Out?"
Greg, I think your choice of words leaves the false impression that Leahy demanded removing Lieberman from something to which Lieberman is entitled. Let's be clear:
- committee chairs are re-assigned at the start of each Congress.
- there is no Senate rule requiring parties to appoint their most senior members or re-appoint the same members to Committee Chairmanships.
- the longstanding Senate tradition is that parties appoint their own party members to chair committees, not members of other parties.
- individual Senators may form an agreement to officially caucus with a different party during part or all of a Congress.
Lieberman, then, is demanding a committee chairmanship from a party he quit and then tried to prevent from winning an expanded majority --the very same majority that would provide him a senate chairmanship!
He's demanding this preferential treatment under threat of quitting the caucus!
If Democrats decide to give a different Senator (a Democrat, for example) the chairmanship that Lieberman held last Congress, it is not an "ouster."
The real question is: on what basis does Lieberman deserve a chairmanship?
November 15, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Senator Patrick Leahy left no doubt whatsoever: He believes Lieberman should be given the push."
Why how generous of Leaky Leahy! Good thing his party covered for ole Leaky when he released United States classified information and endangered the country.
As neither a dem or a repub, I am enjoying the inability for dems to display anything but lip service about bipartisanship. Reminds me of ole Nancy (brow lift) Pelosi who couldn't even keep herself under control during the bailout package.
Bipartisanship:
Dems: Agree with us or else!
Repubs: Huh?
November 16, 2008 1:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see, Obama removed the reporters from his plane during the election under the guise of room, this happens after their paper supported McClain. Now Lieberman has to make serious amends in order to stay on an important committee. Glad Obama and his group do not hold grudges or they would make Lieberman fall on his sword. Smart move to make Clinton the Sec. Of State, then he can fire her about two years into his term. He can't get rid of her as long as she remains a Senator and she may run again. Fired, she will simply fade away (he hopes).
November 23, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink