Election Central Morning Roundup
Today: Senate Dems Vote On Lieberman's Chairmanship
Today is the day when the Senate Democratic Caucus will vote on whether to let Joe Lieberman keep his chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. The Dems are widely expected to let Lieberman keep the chairmanship and instead merely strip him of a minor Environment and Public Works subcommittee chairmanship, despite widespread outrage among grassroots Democrats over Lieberman's attacks against Barack Obama throughout the campaign.
WaPo: Lieberman Getting Rid Of McCain Bumper Sticker
The Washington Post reports that Joe Lieberman is in the process of removing the McCain bumper sticker from his car. On the one hand this is probably a good move going into the Democratic caucus vote on his chairmanship -- but on the other hand, it's only been scratched off halfway.
No Obama Or Biden Public Events Today
Barack Obama and Joe Biden will be holding private meetings in Chicago today, and do not have any public events scheduled.
NYT: Vetting Of Bill Clinton Intensifies
The New York Times reports that the Obama transition team is stepping up its vetting of Bill Clinton's foundation and speaking engagements, and could end up asking him to separate himself from all that work if Hillary is to be appointed to the cabinet. "It's not just what he does or says -- it's the fact that the foundation is involved with foreign countries, some of which might well be in conflict with U.S. policy," said Abner Mikva, an Obama adviser and retired federal judge.
Up To Four Million People Could Attend Inauguration
The Washington Post reports that the federal and D.C. municipal governments are preparing for as many as four million people to try to attend Barack Obama's inauguration in January. Officials are proposing opening up large section of the Mall and setting up extra JumboTrons in order to accommodate the potential massive crowd.
Hoyer: Expanded Dem Majority Won't Turn Left
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer will tell the National Press Club today that the new Democratic dominance on Capitol Hill will be approached pragmatically, instead of running hard to the left. "For the first time in decades, we are a true national majority party -- and if we want to stay that way, we must govern like one," Hoyer will say, according to prepared remarks.
Poll: GOP Sen. Martinez In Serious Danger
A new Quinnipiac poll finds Sen. Mel Martinez (R-FL) with some pretty lackluster numbers, with only 42% of Florida voters approving of him and 33% disapproving. In a match-up with a generic Democrat for his 2010 re-election campaign, the generic Dem leads with 40% to Martinez's 36% -- an abysmal showing for an incumbent.















Liebershmuck probably just scratched out the "palin" part of the bumper sticker.
November 18, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, he removed the McCain half of the sticker.
Now he's ready for 2012.
November 18, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, you're good. I would have said he was a dumbass and stuck it to the painted surface of the vehicle instead of the glass. I NEVER put stickers on the painted parts of my car.
November 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, Liebersuck says "I actively campaigned not only against the Democratic presidential candidate but also against the Congressional Democrats. Therefore I should keep my homeland security chairmanship and nothing less is acceptable" and gets what he wants.
There is no organization this ridiculous claim is accepted and accommodated -- unless your organization is the Democratic party. This is nothing about vengeance, it should be common-sense simple.
Very, very disappointing.
November 18, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cosign.
November 18, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
So lemme get this straight, Steny. Rethugs can steal a Presidential election in which they lost the popular vote, yet are still free to "govern" (loot and pillage, more like) hard right with barely even token opposition. Dems regain power in a landslide, but they have to govern like moderate Republicans.
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Steny.
November 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you happen to miss what happened to the Republicans this year, Steve?
I know that Democrats are anxious to start destroying themselves with infighting, but personally, I'm going to take all this talk with a grain of salt. I'm anxious to see results that restore the country and fix some of our immense problems. If they're considered to be left, right, or moderate, I don't care. Labels don't mean much to me.
November 18, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
November 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
That isn't what Hoyer said and hyperbole makes it much harder for Barack to get anything done if more than half the country is working against his plans.
Common sense dictates that to get substantive and sustainable change, the democratic party must govern from the true center of the spectrum that Obama represents. Moving from the right extreme to the left extreme is not logical.
Yes, that means some of Barack's progressive solutions may be more of a moderate conservative bent (using Faith-Based Initiatives to address social ills comes to mind) and some may be more of a moderate liberal bent such as rebuilding the broad regulatory controls that have been dismantled over the last 30 years.
Hoyer is simply acknowledging the reality of how Barack intends to get things done after decades of partisan gridlock.
November 18, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
What if the "true center" is well to the left of where Steny and the corporate talking heads would like you to believe it is? A proposition for which there is a good deal of evidence.
Apologists for Democratic capitulationism are just well-meaning but ill-informed dupes.
November 18, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hoyer is talking about Barack's agenda and how the democrats are going to govern. The true center is just to the right of Barack, who is finally speaking a true center-left democrat when it comes to selling his ideas to the country.
Your paranoia about some grand conspiracy to derail all of our very important projects is what comes across as naive and ill-informed. If you think corporations and moderate conservative won't have a hand in fashioning the new America Barack is working to achieve then you haven't been paying attention.
November 18, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever, go on living in your fantasy world while the Lieberman-loving Democrats go on being as useless as they've been since 2006. The Dems may look solidly in control for now, but if they flinch from stimulating the economy sufficiently to pull us out of a deep recession, and from beginning to move us back in the direction of economic justice, the same voters who have put them at the helm will just as unceremoniously dump them. Center-right business as usual will spell abject failure.
November 18, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck with your own fantasy world if you think yanking this country from one extreme to the other is a way to accomplish anything other than continued partisan warfare. Obama is redefining our political language and you still holler in the old dialect. Again, good luck with that.
November 18, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
That you see (what once were) core Democratic values as "extreme" disqualifies you from making a worthwhile comment.
November 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually Sparky,
We just want to yank America to the positions held by the guy pictured in your avatar.
Not quite respectfully,
Richard L. Adlof
November 18, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is not what he is advocating, Sparky. I would be quite happy with democrats or republicans who sought such progressive solutions to our problems. That is the point. It isn't a left or right issue.
November 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's going to be the same Senate Dems who voted for the Iraq War voting to keep Lieberman, plus any new Senate Dems who would have done the same. It's not that hard to game out. Stupid is as stupid does.
And Pat Leahy isn't a grassroot Democrat. He's the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. It's not only DFHs who want Lieberman gone.
November 18, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have a feeling HRC is likely to vote against Lieberman.
Lieberman could have ended up campaigning against her.
November 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Allowing Joe Lieberman to retain his chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee is a direct and unequivocal spitting in the face of the many thousands of volunteers and donors across the country who gave freely and enthusiastically of their time and money to help elect Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and hundreds of other Democrats at the national, state, and local level.
Inasmuch as Obama himself appears to be eager to cravenly capitulate to an individual who was directly trying to harm my own interests by actively campaigning for John McCain and Sarah Palin, I consider my contribution to the Obama campaign to have been a waste of money.
November 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Leaving Joe chair his committee is a freakin disgrace.
November 18, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a fucking joke. Yeah, that's taking him to the woodshed all right.
The thing is, this is not just about holding Lieberschmuck accountable for his betrayal, for his ad hominem attacks on Obama, for his support of Republican Senate candidates.
It's also about the future. And if those Democrats who happen to be of the invertebrate species feel they can stray off the reservation with no real consequences, party discipline will be impossible and passing the Obama agenda will be difficult at best.
November 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only way that they should allow Lieberman to stay is if he issues a public apology.
November 18, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
What do you think he's sorry for and what would an apology accomplish?
November 18, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have no idea what he is sorry for, other than hurting his own future electoral chances, but what he should be sorry for is being a disingenuous, immoral hypocrite.
An apology would serve the purpose of enabling the Democratic Caucus to extract a small amount of flesh (and some political cover) for what is perhaps the illusory privilege of perhaps having Lieberman's vote a bit more often than they otherwise would.
If the decision was up to me, I would boot him out, but it's not. As such, an apology is the best way to put, if you will excuse the expression, lipstick on a pig.
November 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman looks like something that escaped from the Ghostbusters' containment unit.
November 18, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the D's let Lieberman stay and there is any domestic terrorist incident, expect Joe to use his position to knife the administration in the back.
November 18, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
What about ineffectual Harry Reid?
Won't somebody please think about the children that his lack of spine will affect negatively?
November 18, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama has lost my support. Period.
November 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
What does Obama have to do with the Senate?
November 18, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
See Ya!
November 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, for god's sakes. Can we please let the man take office?
November 18, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
This makes me want to f*cking vomit.
Joe is a traitor.
And the Democrats are a bunch of pussies.
I am DISGUSTED by all of this.
Nothing is going to get done in this "CON-gress", because if these Democrats don't have the fortitude to correctly handle this situation, then they won't have the fortitude to pass the legislation to create real change.
November 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that the dems have to handle this situation appropropriately to get things done and they will. They need his vote and don't need the unnecessary drama. Traitor joe will keep his chairmanship. Time to move on.
November 18, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, move on out of the party. Actions have consequences.
November 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nah, he kept the Palin, ditched the McCain half. Looking to the future..
November 18, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's going on in Alaska? I would think it would be part of Morning Roundup everyday. Please keep us posted, if only to let us know when to check again.
November 18, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another 24,000 absentee and early voting ballots will be tallied today. These ballots are from districts that lean toward Begich, so Nate Silver expects Begich to finish up with a 3,000 to 4,000 lead over Stevens.
November 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
What happened in AK is this:
Stevens has lost. It's onyl a matter of formalities and politeness which keeps the news orgs from putting the final nail in his coffin.
November 18, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey TPM, quit citing Politico and their thinly sourced stories. They've been concern trolling all year -- worries in the DNC over Obama, worries about "working class whites", worries about PUMAs and all the otehr BULLSHIT which turned out to be wrong. If Politico was a baseball player they'd be batting .100.
Your top page has a story about "Progressives Critical Of Possible HRC Pick". I clicked thru and discovered it was the usual rightwing concern trolling that we've seen all year.
Unnamed "insiders" are griping, supposedly. Obama "insiders" talkign to the sleazeballs at Politico? I'll believe it when I see it.
I'm sure if we found out who these "insiders" are they'll be pretend-Democrat and Obama-hater Bob Kerrey or uber-dirtbag Dick Morris.
Bottom line: Politico is a rightwing propaganda machine. Stop relying on them as the sole source for information.
November 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed that politico is a right-wing propoganda machine. That's why ben smith was in the tank for the clintons throughout the primary.
There are a ton of people pissed about the clintons getting a job in the administration. Alot of obama's support was anti-clinton and now he's putting them in the whitehouse? Give me a freaking break. I don't want the clintons anywhere near the whitehouse. It's time to turn the page and move on.
November 18, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
SoS isn't in the White House.
It's Foggy Bottom.
And an important distinction.
November 18, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
ps. Some people are pissed but I don't buy that 1) they are in the Obama camp and 2) they would talk to the rightwing Politico. This team just doesn't leak.
And Politico has been playing the fake Dem card all year. Next time I see Bob Kerrey (and his shit-eating grin praising "Barack Hussein Obama" for attending a secular mardassa) refered to as an "Obama supporter" by Ben Smith, I swear I'm gonna lose it.
Yet TPM again and again cites Politco as the SOLE source for stories. That's like citing Drudge or Rush or FoxNews.
Do yourself a favor: Ignore Politico's concern trolling. We'll see more stories about "turmoil" in the coming months to make the bruised and battered GOP readership feel better.
November 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am much more concerned with the clintons as secretary of state than the traitor joe issue. Mr. Bill took hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign governments and businesses for his "foundations." The question is why would these governments, companies and people give all that money? It sure isn't out of the kindness of their hearts. They wanted to buy influence in the new President clintons administration. The longer it became obvious that the clintons wouldn't get the whitehouse, Mr. Bill got more and more irrational. The guidos of the world were knocking on his door asking WTF? We want our money back.
Now, as secretary of state Mr. Bill can pay back his buds with favors. The not taking fees on a going forward basis is a non-issue. It's all the hundreds of millions he already got from dictators and such.
No clintons in the administration. Our country should not be able to be bought. I don't want them anywhere near the whitehouse.
November 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton's foundation is a charitable organization engaged in things like fighting AIDs in Africa. I wouldn't confuse the more dubious contributions from foreigns and other s to his presidential library with the more legit contributiosn to his organization, which is more akin to giving to the Carter foundation.
November 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
And? The point is that governments, dictators, foreign corporations, etc., did not give hundreds of millions of dollars out of the kindness of their hearts. They wanted to buy influence. That's the point. Where the money ultimately goes is immaterial.
November 18, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama sent a strong signal last week by saying he did not hold any grudge. That actually undercut Harry Reid's (and probably a few others') initially tougher position toward Lieberman and gave cover to Lieberman's friends in the Senate.
November 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama said what he needed to say for his own political purposes, but- rightly- stopped way short of even hinting about what the Senate should do, one way or the other. I don't buy that for one second as an excuse for Harry et al.'s lack of spines.
November 18, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto. Obama was trying to be magnanimous and he did NOT tell the Senate what to do.
November 18, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
4 Million people expected at the Inauguration --- incredible!!
Wow, that's a lot of Porta-Potties.
November 18, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's remarkable the anger Lieberman stirs every morning. It is also remarkable how the course of events continue to let Joe float.
How many are ready to change party ID today?
All kidding aside, I'd like to see Libermann stripped as well. .
But at the end of the day Joe will have less affect on the larger scheme of things for the next two years. He is more annoying and less harmful than in the past.
November 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
We HOPE he's less harmful than in the past. But he could use that committee to make a good deal of trouble for the Obama Administration if he so chose.
November 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
He could also lose that position at any time if the Democrats choose.
November 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, right, they'll grow a spine then. Pull the other one.
November 18, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like Lieberman wouldn't know his chair could be kicked out from under him at any time? It's not about showing a spin, it's about achieving significant policy goals.
The alternative is a rogue who 1) diminshes their numeric majority, from a possible 60 to 59 and 2) is hell bent on causing chaos and revenge.
Yes, there'ss a risk with Lieberman, but you deny there's a risk without him? This cool calculus is what they are considering. Unlike the more emotive reactions I'm hearing.
What is that saying about hodling your enemies closer?
The wisdom of that is possibly lost on some.
November 18, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
...and for some it's just a stupid old saying you use to make a shit sandwich taster better.
November 18, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is flat wrong. It is not the case that Lieberman's chair can be pulled at any time. Senate rules actually makes that pretty difficult. But more importantly, Senate Dems know as well as Lieberman knows, that attempting to punish him later would look terrible politically. Attempting to remove him after he causes trouble with have the look of a party trying to cover up its wrongdoing or inappropriate punishment of political independence. Of all the suggestions that Democrats have put out to provide cover for their incredible cowardliness on this, this is the most insultingly stupid.
November 18, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
And that wouldn't look fishy -pulling his chairmanship after he has started an investigation. Wouldn't happen- the Dems wouldn't miracloulsy find a backbone.
November 18, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry to disagree, but he's proven himself to be a loose cannon. The tiger cannot change his stripes.
November 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
--He is more annoying and less harmful than in the past. --
He will do ANYTHING to get back in the limelight and a fraction of power, up to and including hearings on the Obama Administration. Bank on it.
November 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
AP reported: "Obama has reportedly told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada it would hurt the message of unity that he wants for his new administration if Lieberman leaves the Democratic caucus. Reid met with Lieberman last week and was initially inclined to strip him of the Homeland Security Committee chairmanship, according to a Senate Democratic aide.
Reid was non-commital entering the all-Democratic session."
Friends, there is a real distinction between cult of personality and real democracy. The power of any politician, however loved, needs to be checked. Now is the time to send Obama and the Dems that if they don't make Lieberman pay the price, we will make them pay it.
If Obama doesn't have any role to play in all this, he will have to explain to us what he really meant by saying he didn't hold any grudge against Lieberman. It was not a simple sentence of personal sentiments. It was a calculated political statement.
November 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Friends, there is a real distinction between cult of personality and real democracy. The power of any politician, however loved, needs to be checked. Now is the time to send Obama and the Dems that if they don't make Lieberman pay the price, we will make them pay it.
Huh?
November 18, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am so disgusted about the whole leaving Lieberma in his chairmanship... weak willed democratic patsy stuff.
I just watched a two minute rant on MSNBC of two ignorant women talking about this issue. The reporter in Washington kept talking about how this was all about revenge and being vindictive... it was infuriating. If the republicans were doing this they would talk about how his behavior warranted consequences... the democrats are going to need an overhaul to ever shake their reputation as weak victims that will always be defined by others.
November 18, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I meant to say "there is a real distinction between cult of 'elected' personality and real democracy."
November 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
No money. No volunteering. No confidence in the Dems. Good luck in 2010! I'm finished. Time to join the REAL Socialist party.
November 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the reason you were volunteering was simply punishing people like Lieberman, rather than to achieve policy changes like environment, foreign policy, health care, end of torture and gitmo, all I can say is good luck.
I loathe Lieberman and wouldn't turn my back on him. But I trust the judgment of the Obama team who are likely considering the prospects of a 59 or 60 majority in the Senate, and the GREATER GOOD of passing important legislation.
Karl Rove would never have tolerated Lieberman-like behavior. But then again, I'm nto a Republican, and I find their ruthlessness distasteful. Perhaps Dems are "too nice"? But that's also why they care about workers who lose their jobs and children without health insurance.
It's probably difficult for the Dems to ever act like the ruthless bastards in the GOP.
November 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama still has my support. The Democratic party does not.
November 18, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's mostly a few bad apples, like Harry Reid, imho. Pelosi is doing a far better job at discipline in the House, with a much more unruly crowd.
What are the chances Reid can be pushed out or asked to gracefully step down during the next 2 years?
November 18, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Observer 2.
Well Said. You explianed my thoughts so much better than I ever could.
I would take weak dems over repugs any day.
November 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
As long as there are people who will support weak dems there will be weak dems. You are passively rewarding there behavior.
November 18, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not rewarding anyone. I wouldn't have supported, volunteered or donated to the Obama campaign in the primaries if I was rewarding Dems for their mistakes (like Iraq).
You're very angry about Lieberman and I understand your anger. I would like to see Lieberman stripped as well but that doesn't mean I will leave the party.
I may be wrong, but I don't see him doing great damage to the Obama agenda in the next two years before he's up for re-election. I actually think he will tame down quite a bit.
November 18, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think anything like "ruthlessness" was even required here. Its only Democrats that could have even made this such a dramatic issue to begin with. Joe attempted, quite deliberately and very publicly, to undermine the Democratic/progressive agenda. There should be a serious consequence for that and there should have been no discussion or fuss about it. Levy his punishment and move on. If he decides to blow it up into some larger dramatic issue by following through on his pathetic threat to leave the caucus, that is a decision that, most likely, blows back on him. Maybe we lose a vote, but we also make it clear that we are willing to stand our ground on party discipline and stand up for our values. That would be simple, confident strength, not ruthlessness. Acquiescing to Lieberman's lame blackmail is weakness not being "too nice."
The point is that achieving our goals begins with being able to stand up for our principles. Legislation is about compromise but its also about tough negotiation. Apparently we have started the ball rolling by staking out that we will cave to the weakest of bluffs from the lamest of operatives. Nice work, Harry.
November 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope WJC doesn't have to suspend the foundation entirely. It does a lot of good in the world.
November 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can't he hand it off in a blind trust or soemthing like that to soemone else for the expected 4-6 years?
Surely someone can administer it. How about Bill Gates?
November 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
It still doesn't solve the influence already bought and paid for. There is no way to avoid that conflict, unless mr. bill gives all the money back, which he won't. The going forward stuff is a red herring.
November 18, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't begrudge anyone giving money that helps fight AIDS.
Give it back? Fuck off.
November 18, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't either. How much of the hundreds of millions paid to the clintons went to fight aides in Africa? I bet not much. How about full disclosure by the clintons of the money collected, from who, and where it went? Why is that such a problem? I really don't get it.
I'll stipulate on some money going to fight aides. Where did the rest go? Gee, I wonder.
November 18, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Demanding that Lieberman be stripped of the Homeland committee chairmanship has nothing to do with vengeance or ruthlessness. All I have in mind are two considerations: party discipline and party development. You don't want to send a message to the party membership that it's alright to keep sabotaging the party agenda. You want to make sure that those who have worked hard to achieve majority for the party in the Senate, not those who are hostile to the party over and over again, are rewarded for positions that will give them --- and by extension, the party --- precious leadership experiences. Someone might add that all Lieberman has done as Chair in the past has been shielding the Bush administration from scrutiny.
As I have said before, Lieberman should be stripped of the chairmanship and be put on probation. If he behaves well, he will be next in line for something big. If he chooses to caucus with the GOP, well, good luck to him, cuz he will be drowned in the sea of political egos.
November 18, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
co-sign
November 18, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
how about: lieberman should lose the chairmanship cause he's done such a criminally negligent job. although now he'll discover the importance of oversight, with the caveat "we don't want to look backwards," so his colleagues in the bush administration will continue to evade scrutiny.
it's okay, i didn't want to have to spend a dime or lift a finger in '10 and '12, and now i won't. thanks for the money and free time, dem "leadership"!
November 18, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
One of my favorite sayings, which I remember hearing from the actor James Cahn--"You can sh*t on my face, but that doesn't mean I have to lick my lips"--but that's exactly what the Dems appear to be doing.
I suppose we should wait to hear what actually happens, but if they think that taking a subcommittee away from him while letting him keep exactly what he wants constitutes "standing up as Democrats", well then I'm not sure what the point is of a political party. If you reward someone who actively campaigns against your candidates in the most agressive and negative way, what do you actually stand for, and why should I have any faith in you passing the progressive agenda that we voted for overwhelmingly?
I gave money to the Obama campaign, but neither he nor any Democrat will get my money next time around if they continue to behave like such spineless tools.
I'm also about sick of hearing all the "team of rivals" nonsense--I want the most qualified people in the next administration, who will be most effective at carrying out the president's policies and who work well with him, not a bunch of people who have their own agenda and who will make your administration ineffective. No affirmative action for Republicans, backstabbers, and other losers whose agenda the voters rejected. I'd also prefer not to re-appoint the entire Clinton administration--I believe there are many other highly qualifed people at the state level and in Congress.
November 18, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Motion to make the Democratic parties mascot the lemming.
November 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Steny Hoyer, like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, NEEDS to step aside in January 2009 and let someone focused on actual leadership assume control of the leadership.
November 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Breaking news - Traitor joe keeps his chairmanships. Drama over, move on.
November 18, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll get over Leiberman when you get over Hillary ie not gonna happen.
November 18, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. I'll never get over the clintons.
November 18, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
No confidence in Harry Reid, the exotic and perplexing jellyfish from Nevada.
November 18, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Goddamned gutless wonders.
When he screws them--yet again--I don't want to hear their crying and recriminations.
November 18, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sens. Harry Reid, Amy Klobuchar- I look forward to supporting the Independent candidate and/or challenger that runs against you. I don't reward wishy washy.
November 18, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should Lieberman not conduct himself honorably, Obama has in all likelyhood reminded him that the Ambassadorship to The Maldives will be open and ready for him at any time.
November 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
DEMOCRATS CAVE IN TO (fill in the blank.)
Well this is sickening. Senator Obama reads one book about Lincoln's cabinet---not the best book, and not by the most accomplished historian, although she is a good writer---and he seems to draw the wrong lesson from it. Lieberman is not in the category of Chase, Bates, Seward, etc. Joe is a copperhead--a secessionist--a traitor.
All this smokescreen about "60 votes." If the Republicans could run the Senate without 60 votes, as they did, and get everything they really wanted, since they also controlled the executive, why can't the Democrats? The answer is, lack of leadership, lack of principle, lack of spine.
Obama ran a great campaign---all winners do, by definition, right? I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I doubt that Lieberman is trustworthy, and I doubt there is any benefit to this interference by the Executive into what should have been the sole concern of the Legislative branch. Our vaunted "Constitutional scholar" again proves the wisdom of the old saying: "Power corrupts."
Reid, Hoyer, Pelosi ought to be made honorary members of the Republican party. DON'T GIVE ANY MORE MONEY TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY--send back that next fund-raising appeal with a short note. Only give to particular candidates.
November 18, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cowardly dems have proven once again that integrity is up for sale.. "Give me what I want or I'll caucus with the republicans"- Lieberman.
Dems could NEVER get any republicans to cross the isle for that magical 60 number because too many DINOs and Lieberman make it impossible don't ya' know.
Meanwhile cowardly dems are allowing the repubs to ripoff the taxpayers and empty the treasury without any accountability or even an explanation as to where the money is going and for what nor what we get from it.
All done so repubs can prevent Obama and the dems from carrying out their campaign promises. NATIONAL HEALTHCARE...forget about it...not enough money now. SOCIAL SECURITY benefits...sorry but we had to spend the money on the bail out. HELP WITH HOME HEATING COSTS OR ANY OTHER SOCIAL PROGRAMS...just not enough money now.
Unregulated greed is sending us right into a GREAT DEPRESSION...but the wealthy will not suffer. We elected these dems to stop this republican obstructionism...to end this corporatocracy...to stop the process of turning all our tax dollars over to the rich. Remember, "enough is enough". Screw this easy transition crap...make some fucking waves...shake our current system up before it destroys our economy.
I am starting to feel the same way I did when I found out Obama voted for FISA and telecom immunity when voting against it wouldn't have changed anything, would not have hurt his campaign but would have been standing up for civil rights and the 4th amendmnent.
I'm just sick of dems allowing themselves to be intimidated by a minority of wrong mis directed wealthy or ignorant people. Dems should have told Joe to go screw himself and maintained their integrity and gained some respect. It would have been worth the chance of not getting a 60 vote filibuster proof majority. Watching our senators succumb to blackmail showed us their principles are for sale.
November 18, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
btw...Steny Hoyer should be beaten with a "Liberal" stick until he gets it. It's the reason we elected a dem majority...we are sick of the status quo...we don't want more of it. Of course we want you to move to the left. We cannot stand this center right crap that's why we voted for Change you idiot.
These people are only able to see through the lenses of the wealthy or he would know this and be excited about it. People like Hoyer cannot change no matter who gets elected...he's always the same old same old. His past is also his future. Absolutely no vision.
November 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The angry Dem-bashers are out in force today. Most of us liberals & Dems have confidence in the smartest team in politics, which ran circles around their opponents and confounded ALL of the media conventional wisdom and naysayers. This isn't a question of benefit of the doubt. They've EARNED the right to be trusted in the short term and not to be micromanaged with all the minutae. OBama & Co. know what they are doing. If you don't know that by now, you either haven't been paying attention or are being disingenuous.
Hey, maybe some of you no-name concern trolls are just GOP troublemakers?? LOL.
November 18, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
One litmus test for Sec of State: Against the Iraq invasion from the start!!!!
Anybody who was too lazy to check into the validity of the pro-war propaganda doesn't deserve to be handed the reins of foreign policy. Anybody so easily duped by pro-war hysteria or so spineless in the face of pro-war pressure can't be trusted to have either the right intuitions or the moxie to fashion and advance a truly "changed" foreign policy.
November 18, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone considered that by 'allowing' him to keep his chairmanship and keeping Lieberman in the caucus gives the Dems the ability to keep him on a short leash and also makes him indebted to Obama for his magnanimity as well?
Yes he's a scumbag and yes it would feel great to see justice be done and have him ousted but I suspect that the Senate Dems got more from this bargain than they're letting on.
November 19, 2008 4:24 AM | Reply | Permalink