"Clintonites Are Everywhere"
Politico has a good rundown of all the Clintonites that have been invited into Obama's government, and what it all means. Money quote:
"Obama is showing great good sense in making use of their experience," said William Galston, a former Clinton domestic policy adviser who's now at the Brookings Institution. "You have an entire cadre of people in their 30s and 40s and early 50s who were either in senior jobs or second- and third-tier jobs in the Clinton administration, who really earned their spurs and know their way around -- and know something about how the institutions in which they served actually function."
The piece notes: "Thirty-one of the 47 people so far named to transition or staff posts have ties to the Clinton administration."
Relatedly, I wanted to revisit a point made here yesterday that made some of you mad. It wasn't really meant to be about Obama but about the experience of this cadre of government professionals "in their 30s and 40s and early 50s" described above.
These are people who are taking charge again in a city that is vastly, vastly different than it was the last time they held power. In the 1990s these then-younger players were heavily constrained by Clinton's less-than-50% win, the ascendancy of conservative ideas, the eventual takeover of Congress by the GOP, and a media where power was much more concentrated in the hands of big news orgs and star columnists and pundit types. The result: Triangulation, cautious governance, achievements with a centrist gloss, and pitched battles with a press corps hell-bent on inflicting daily damage.
Today, they're back in charge at a time when conservative ideas are broadly discredited, the GOP is in ruins, and polls show broad support and even impatience for liberal governance and major change. Their president has a big mandate, and they enjoy sizable Congressional majorities. There's a new media infrastructure to watch their backs.
The sense of opportunity here to reaffirm the public's faith in liberalism, to create a sustained Democratic ascendancy, and possibly to build an enduring Democratic majority, is something that these good people could only have dreamed of back in the 1990s and even as recently as a few years ago. And Obama is tapping their experience of government -- an experience, ironically, informed by a sense of government's limitations and potential for failure -- to make it happen. It's a key emerging storyline that I think will be important to understanding events as they unfold in the coming months and years.















I don't see much difference today. The media has been yapping incessantly about Obama' every move. I have never seen this much attention paid to a transition, ever. They're desperate for an exclusive. One that reflects a "misstep" on the part of Obama, or "dissaray" or whatever.
So, you'd think that this:
would be reassuring. I don't find it so, because it seems that the new media infrastructure holds some of the loudest and harshest critics of the new Administration.
November 14, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
The internet will be the fundamental difference between the Obama and Clinton administrations in this venue. The progressive blogosphere aside (sorry, Greg) we've just seen what impact the internet can have on a campaign, let's see what impact it can have on a presidency.
November 14, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think I understand your comment. When you say "internet" what are you referring to? (And yes, I mean this: do you mean the ability to reach three million voters via e-mail, or do you mean the blogosphere?)
November 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
More in response to your initial comment, but the 24-hour news cycle is increasingly seeing diminishing returns. They have been engaged in little else but breathless, baseless speculation and tea-leaf reading since November 2007 (at least). It's like they have some kind of anxiety order where the slightest provocation sends them into a frenzy over what moght occur.
It's a sickness, and it's making all politicial coverage almost unwatchable. We need a pretty white girl to go missing to get them off of the Obama watch or something.
November 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
You never hear about direct mailers going viral, do you? I do mean the ability reach millions of people directly, but not only reach them but interact with them to a degree, be it fundraising, messaging, rallying activism and volunteers or just to create a sense of participation. As most of us here in the comment section realize even a modest amount of participation fosters a sense of community, and I expect the Obama administration to aggressively utilize the ability of people to participate and comment on issues to their political advantage. The Bush administration and the conservative movement were flat footed in harnessing this new communication medium (new when we're dealing in 4 and 8 year cycles) and basically America has no idea what an internet savvy presidential administration will be like. I certainly don’t, but the Obama campaign broke new ground using it as a tool for fundraising and organizing and they’ve already made it clear they’ll fully embrace it as a communication tool going forward (the You Tube Presidential address for example). Bush used to (god I love saying that) say he wanted to go over the heads of the news media and talk straight to the American people. They seem to have missed a real opportunity, then again the GOP seem rather hapless online.
November 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see a difference, but I can only be hopeful that it'll last.
The media really savaged Clinton, starting with the Vince Foster nothingness. They were happy to parrot the GOP's insinuations and talking points.
Today the GOP is discredited. Their slime won't get nearly the same traction it did in the Clinton years.
November 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is a fact that Obama's executive experience is thin other than the extremely positive example of his campaign.
It is smart that he is using experienced people IF he can manage and direct them. Rev. Wright showed that he will stand by someone until they truly show that they must be cut loose.
As the Obama organization expands from the campaign to the Obama administration (I still love typing that!) less control is inevitable. I will be confident until proved otherwise that Obama and his team are up to the task.
Getting people rowing in the same direction seems to be one of Obama's strengths. I'm happy to have a seat here at TPM to watch.
November 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR SARAH PALIN '12!!!
November 14, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
These people are in the "transition" team, the key word being transition. They are not in admin, not yet anyway.
BTW, not all people worked in the Clinton era become automatically "clintonites". Sorry to burst your bubble.
November 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me echo both of those points, and point to my blog post on this topic. The key points are that the White House staff is decidedly not a bastion of Clinton staffers, thus far, and that's where the power lies; that there's a distinction to be drawn between those who served in government between 1992 and 2000, and the far-smaller set of Clinton loyalists; and that the transition is likely to be far more weighted toward experience than the eventual government, for obvious reasons.
November 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Especially if they worked for Gore.
November 15, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
The obvious point to me is that OF COURSE he's using a lot of people from the Clinton administration. Who else in the Democratic party has any experience in running a government?
November 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
How could there NOT be Clintonites everywhere? (They were all over Obama's campaign, too). You need experienced people, and the experienced Democrats obviously are the ones who served in the most recent Democratic administration. Dog bites man story if ever there was one.
November 14, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
not sure how many times I have to say this guys -- I'm interested in the experience of these people. that's what I'm writing about here -- what it's like to be one of those people...
November 14, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
But you go further than that when you remark upon that: "Obama is tapping their experience of government -- an experience, ironically, informed by a sense of government's limitations and potential for failure -- to make it happen."
That strikes me as half-factual, half-speculative. It's certainly true that these people experienced an extremely frustrating period in the executive branch. But how it shapes their perceptions of government's limitations and potential for failure is anyone's guess, and, I suspect, highly varied. Some Clinton-era staffers I know emerged pragmatic to the point of pessimism. But others, equally scarred by the experience, emerged with redoubled determination to implement meaningful change, and have been waiting for another crack ever since.
The tone of any administration is set at the top. Bush's cronyism, his contempt for rules and procedure, his emphasis on loyalty over talent - all of this seeped down into the daily operations of his government, and swept up even staffers who might not have been predisposed to such things. In a similar fashion, Obama's values are as likely to influence his appointees and their behavior as any of their past experiences, for better and for worse. That's where the focus, I'd contend, properly belongs. The past experiences of these folks are diverse and varied. Sure, thirty-one of them served in the executive branch during the Clinton administration. But I'd wager almost as many have spent some time in their career on the Hill. Or at law firms. Or on corporate boards. And we don't see stories about those angles. In part, that's because they're not equally salacious - but mostly, it's because such stories would be misleading.
November 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're going to need to clarify this, Greg, because every time you explain yourself, you just make it harder for me to understand what you're talking about.
You're writing about the "experience" of these people? What does that mean exactly? You're writing about the number of years that they have been in government or their qualifications? Or are you writing about their personal experience and stories of working in this government?
Right now, I just honestly have no idea what you're trying to get at or what point you're trying to make.
November 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think he's saying that what he's writing about is not so much about the experience they have from the Clinton admin, but about what they are experiencing right now (or will experience) because of the changes in the political atmosphere.
November 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understood you the first time Greg. Point well taken then and even more trenchantly restated
November 14, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I kind of understand Greg's logic. Obama is a smart politician, he is no dummy, he needs all the help he can get during the transition. Once the transition is over, i still expect some of the Clintonites to continue to work for him until 2010. Obama would have mastered the entire system by that time.
Folks, i see him bringing his own men on board after 2010. Most of the Clintonites, Rahm Emmanuel especially, will like to return to their normal business. Watch out for Susan Rice and Austin Goldsbee in 2010.
November 14, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both before and after transition the human capital developed during the Clinton administration will be critical to a successful presidency.
I don't think most people appreciate the depth or breadth of the governance problem Obama faces. For that we have Dick Cheney to thank, who from the very first days of the Bush transition, worked to transform the bureaucracy by placing key operatives at the assistant and undersecretary cabinet positions in every department. From there, Cheney managed to reshape the entire executive branch. The rot is deep and it is broad and I for one am delighted to see that Obama appreciates how to root it out.
Failure to do so would doom his presidency before it even began
November 14, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this time it finally got through my thick skull what you were driving at.
When Clinton came in, I remember the story being that Bill had no choice but to fill a lot of spots with people who had little or no high-level governmental experience because there just weren't a lot of Democrats left who'd done it before but were still of an age to serve. Jimmy Carter's presidency had been twelve years earlier, he'd only had the four years and the last Democrat before him had been Lyndon Johnson, eight years before that.
I was so fixated on the memory of those stories that I thought your point was that, unlike Clinton, Obama has the benefit of having had a comparatively recent and long Democratic administration in the past to train up potential appointees for his team. But, yeah, looked at through the eyes of those people, this must be mind-blowingly heady stuff. Hopefully, they've also learned the dangers of hubris from Bill's first year and a half and Dubya's first eight years.
November 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Assuming that the "Clintonites," such as they are, will use their experience to implement the Obama agenda, that's great. And I think this is what will happen, rather than what some people fear, which is that they would be bringing old Clinton baggage to the job.
After all, outside of the Carvilles and Stephadiculouses of the world -- who are obviously not in this mix -- most of these folks were not in Bill and Hillary's inner circle but Dems devoted to public service. Presumably, they do recognize the opportunity in the Obama administration to achieve policy changes that go far, far beyond what Clinton could have imagined.
November 14, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
The press -- especially including this site -- are in withdrawal after one of the most exciting campaigns in years (though they, the press, made it more exciting than it was with their "Why can't he close the deal" crap). Furthermore, the press is much larger than it has ever been in the past, with too many mouths seeking too little sustenance, in their Darwinian battles.
They have to write about anything, their jonesing is so overwhelming, that they are reporting stuff they would have tossed in the circular file years ago. Pity them. Pity us.
November 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
And, hey, speaking of which, why can't he close the deal?
November 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone realize that without people who served under Clinton, Obama's transition would be populated with inexperienced Dems or fossils who served under Carter?
this is the biggest load of nothing, this whole controversy, I have ever seen.
November 14, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Second.
November 14, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good? Clinton did a good job. His staff was compitent and seemed to do a good job, maybe they can do even gooder this time? I'm sure the experience taught them things they can use to the goodest effect this trip around!
You must have been bored to even write this story up.
November 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like your idea "gooder"..
November 14, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were looking to hire a CEO for my start-up, I'd prefer someone who had been in a top post at a company that had failed. I've seen too many perfect-track-record types who carry a sense of invulnerability which ultimately became their (and our company's) undoing.
November 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is impossible to fix problems using the exact same thinking that created them.
The Clintonites did a pretty good job 15 years ago, but I'm nervous about a bunch of backward-looking Boomers pretending it's 1994, only there's no Gingrich.
If I got behind Obama only to end up with Jim Carville, I'm going to feel like this was a bit of a bait-and-switch.
Still better than anything the GOP has, but still.
November 14, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is all the hoopla about using people from the Clinton administration? Obama ran against the policies of the BUSH administration, not Clintons. I don't remember him making a pledge that he wouldn't use Clintonites. Why is there analysis of this issue? I would think this was common sense.
November 14, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it is reasonable for Greg to use the phrase: Clintonites. Whether anyone agrees with this or not misses the larger point, which is the vital experience that these people bring to Obama's Transition Team, and hopefully (IMO) his administration as well.
Clinton's administration was probably the most embattled administration in modern history. Let's remember that many of these people have acquired political combat skills as well as administrative skills. Obama's going to need them - badly, I think.
George W. has left a smoking hole in the ground, where once boundless enthusiasm was the perceived problem. My dear god, what a tragic mess.
Equally tragic is that the mere destruction of the US Constitution, and most of its foundational ideals, wasn't enough to get the American citizenry's political attention. No, what we needed was full-on global economic collapse to finally wake up, I guess.
Henceforth, let all who aspire to the throne take care. You can take away our civil liberties, imprison our fellows and spit on our friends, but stay the fuck away from our Costco memberships.
Any guesses as to how many voting Americans now care about the carnal possibilities of cigars, or blue dresses, or what the meaning of is, um, is?
November 14, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama Urged to Pick the ORIGINAL 'Team of Rivals'
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4834
November 14, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good. Some of these folks may not strongly support the same policies we do, but they have the experience and deep roots Obama will need not having those roots himself. Ultimately, we need Obama to surround himself with experienced Democrats and trust (and I do) that he will weight the opinions and use his own intellect and excellent decision making (as evidenced in the campaign) to do the right thing. I was never a huge Clinton supporter (Mr. or Mrs.) but I have no problem with them being in the Obama administration.
November 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of Clintonites, here some other good words for Obama from another Clintonite:
http://www.wowowow.com/post/linda-tripp-barack-obama-monica-lewinsky-john-mccain-bill-clinton-140662
Because, according to Greg's definition, Linda Tripp is a Clintonite too!
November 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink