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Bill: Hillary Would Be "Great At Being Secretary Of State"

Bill Clinton is weighing in on the talk that Hillary could end up being appointed Secretary of State, giving her a strong but cautious endorsement.

Speaking yesterday to a business conference in Kuwait, Bill said that both Hillary and himself worked very hard to get Obama elected, but added that they didn't do it with any expectation of a job offer.

"But if she decided -- if he decided to ask her to do it, and they did it together, I think she'd be really great at being Secretary of State," Bill said. "But I have no Earthly idea what is gonna happen."

Bill is obviously walking a tightrope here, in that he wants to talk up Hillary's prospects but can't cross the line into making outright demands that would decrease her chances. And top of that, his own presence is an issue, with the Obama transition team vetting his own dealings with foreign business and governments in order to determine whether there would be any conflicts of interest.


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It aint gonna happen.

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It shouldn't happen either. And here's why:


1. Hillary Clinton is no diplomat. She’s a self-proclaimed “fighter,” a skilled legal advocate, and a superb self-promoter. Decorum, understatement, and subtlety—the traits of diplomats—are not her thing.

2. Hillary Clinton has no experience in diplomacy. Nothing but phantom “experience” emerged from her extended primary campaign, including her supposed landing in Bosnia under sniper fire. The closest she got to real diplomacy was some ceremonial work with women’s groups in Northern Ireland.

3. Hillary Clinton has terrible judgment on matters of foreign policy. She supported the War in Iraq without ever reading the key pre-war intelligence report. She failed to recognize the need for skepticism toward Musharraf’s military rule in Pakistan, or the desirability of pursuing Al Qaeda into Pakistan. Like John McCain, she failed to recall that negotiating with our enemies has been a feature of our diplomacy for half a century.

4. Hillary Clinton is not a team player. In her campaign and stump speeches, she used the first-person singular more than any politician I can remember. Both she and her husband have super-sized egos ill-suited to teamwork, let alone teamwork in diplomacy. Diplomats have to be willing to work for months in secrecy and obscurity, caring only about getting the job done, not who gets credit.

5. Hillary Clinton’s positions on foreign policy have been risky and dangerous. Remember her threatening to “obliterate” Iran during the presidential debates? Having her leading State would make us less secure. Among other things, it would risk squandering the extended honeymoon that global admiration for President-Elect Obama now promises.

6. Neither Hillary nor Bill ever had much interest in foreign policy. Domestic policy was their thing. Bill (like Dubya) missed a chance to get bin Laden, resolved too late to fight the genocide in Bosnia, and failed (despite valiant effort) to advance the cause of peace in the Middle East. This is far from a stellar record. Hillary may cite it as vicarious “experience” (as she did during the campaign), but it is nothing to brag about.

7. Millions of voters, like me, supported Barack Obama because he has so much more to offer than either of the Clintons. We are overjoyed to have a true adult in charge of our nation—someone quiet, thoughtful, dignified, circumspect, self-effacing and self-restrained.

We have no doubt of Obama’s toughness, but toughness doesn’t require trash talk. We are tired of hucksters and self-promoters running and representing our country. We wanted to see the Clintons’ backs and still do. We want a fresh start, especially in foreign policy.

http://jaydiatribe.blogspot.com/2008/11/hillary-clinton-bad-idea-then-bad-idea.html

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Excellent points. I hope it doesn't happen as well. In addition, throw in zero credibility, which is terrible for a diplomat. No credibility and you are fighting an up hill battle. Let it be someone else, please!

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Wow, what a lot of assumptions passed off as facts.

First, Hillary didn't threaten to obliterate Iran, as much as Obama supporters like to repeat this canard. She said "They have to know we can obliterate them," meaning they have to respect our power. That's a far cry from threatening to obliterate them.

She failed to recognize the desirability of pursung Oasam bin Laden into Pakistan? Since that has never happened, it's a little hard for anyone to "realize" it. Sending troops into a foreign country against its wishes is a risky move. An argument can be made for it, but suggesting that someone opposing it is demonstrably wrong is a tremendous overreach.

Another distortion by Obama supporters is the notion that Hillary (and McCain) don't believe in talking to our enemies. The key point was "without preconditions." Support Obama's position if you like, but please don't pretend that he wants to negotiate with our enemies and Hillary won't. The issue was whether the President (not lower ranking aides) should meet with our enemies face to face without insisting on certain conditions first. Hardly as cut and dried as your distorted post indicates.

Hillaryn is not a team player? Well, I think the fact that a lot of Senators have praised her for her ability to work with others pales in comparison to your scholarly assessment of the number of times she says "I".

As for the rest of your opinions, it never ceases to amaze me how many people think they know the intimate details of a person's personality from watching them campaign.

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Sorry Chris. But if someone says that I have to know they will cream my ass...it's a threat to me.

She not only failed to have the strategic vision to pursue OBL in Pakistan, she attacked Obama for having it!! Then Bush did precisely that. In short, you proved my point, Hillary only thinks of doing that which has been acknowledged or said to be the strategic. She is not a strategist or visionary. She is a tactical person. Great at manuevers, but she lacks an overall game plan. Which is why her campaign was such a collosal mess and fiscal disaster as well.

The key point was that 'preconditions' have been the code for why Bush failed to talk to our enemies at all. Like Obama said, it is pretty crazy to think folks have to agree to concessions you demand prior to you even talking to them. That type of thinking is completely ineffective and we know this because of the failed foreign policy under Bush with Korea, Iran and China.

Hillary received praise from Senators due to her political power as Bill's wife and the assumption that she was going to run for President. The fact that she is not a team player is easily demonstrated by noting how Obama was able to eclipse her in getting far more legislation passed with bipartisanship in the very brief time he was in the Senate. He even sponsored a medical records act with Hillary. Hillary is not a team player, she is a power broker and every one knows it. She demonstrated the same trait during the primaries by insisting on staying in the race, and damaging the nominee politically, despite knowing following the 11 consecutive primary wins by Obama in March..that it was impossible for her to win the nomination.

She is not a team player.

Most reasonable folks make assessments about folks character based on their deeds. Hillary's deeds demonstrate she is not a team player whether you look at her actions as a candidate for President, advocate for universal health care as First Lady or the ability to vote with the ranking chair of your party on the Intelligence and Armed Svc committees after they read the NIE report and tell you they opposed the Authorization to Use Military Force, based on what it said..

Hillary didn't read the NIE and voted for it anyway. Not a team player.

When it comes to intimate details of her personal life though...she IS a team player. She remains, MRS. William Jefferson Clinton to this day.

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Funny thing is that the republicans have been the ones pushing the bs that clinton is a "team player." She evidenced that she is not based on her conduct in the primary and leading up to the general. What a bunch of bunk. Team player. Too funny. The republicans want her in the cabinet to smear the obama administration. They got nothing on obama and they have a dump truck load on the clintons.

Yep, on what we know about the clintons. We know about the clintons based on their actions. Their words are meaningless and their actions speak volumes.

Bottom line, she probably will get it due to obama trying to bring the clintons into the tent so that they are pissing outside the tent. I am sure that he would rather give her a lesser cabinet position, but she would never take it. I just hope that the vetting process reveals how awful the pick would be and obama backtracks, but I doubt that he will backtrack, regardless of the vetting process.

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Hey I just read point #1 and you are so full of shit I do not need to be insulted by the other 9. I am still amazed how Clinton hating takes people to a completely irrational place. When you are finished being crazy we can talk.

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Wow. You exhibit her same diplomacy, art of understatement and decorum. You are real fighter just like Hill.

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Why does Bill try so hard to remind us, it was him and his wife who pretty much single-handedly elected Obama?

I have less of a problem with Sen.Clinton becoming the SoS, more of a problem Bill royally fucking around with the administration.

STFU Bill

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Well if HRC gets SOS, you'll have years of Bill and his ego inserting itself into the public arena, just like today.

The title of this movie is, All About Bill.

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See Below.

I agree. Bill should among the biggest reasons working against Hillary during the vetting I think.

But my instinct?

I think she will become SoS. I think Obama is sinciere in his offer and is looking for reasons to give her the position rather than reasons to deny her.

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Well I think I trust Obama's judgement a hell of a lot more that the crybaby Clinton haters on this site. Everything you all try to rationalize about her supposed dysfunctional personality always sounds so petty and projectionist. Look in a mirror kid! Why oh why do you now think Obama is so stupid to consider her .... to ask her above all others???

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STFU Bill

Congenitally incapable.

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Easy. Do you want people telling our guy to "STFU"?

He's a former President of the United States. I totally agree with your comment, but I find it offensive when people denigrate the office like that.

Obama has helped bring civility and respect back to the discourse. Why can't we strive to do the same?

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Anyone else think that Dems should stop purging the Senate of all its big-time leaders? Kennedy probably won't be there for much longer. Obama and Biden are gone. And now maybe Clinton?

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I know most of us are looking for a reason to keep Hillary away from the reason but the need to stay in the senate is not one.

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Oops...I mean

I know most of us are looking for a reason to keep Hillary away from the WH but the need to stay in the senate is not one.

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The was the Senate operates on seniority, Hillary really isn't a "leader" there.  Neither was Obama.  Biden was, though.

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Finally, reality raises its beautiful head. Thanx for reminding us of Hillary's political numbers.

(I still can't decide who qualifies for this years Wasp Zelig - Bill Clinton or Sarah Palin.)

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heh heh, I guess it then becomes partly an issue if Hillary is a long term or short term thinker. Short term, SOS is the way to go. But long term, staying in the Senate will give her the most influence over time. Yes, seniority-wise she's a lightweight. But she has popularity nation-wide, and has little chance of loosing in future NY elections.

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That could be Obama's reason to leave John Kerry there. Also Russ Feingold moves up the food chain. Hillary is not a Senate leader, she's a junior Senator from New York and somewhere like 38th in seniority in the Dem caucus. Is is this reason why I think she'll accept the SOS job. She reportedly asked Reid and Kennedy to create a Healthcare sub-committee that she could chair and they turned her down. The Senate is big on "waiting your turn" and seniority, and at 60 years old I don't think Hillary is going to want to get in line and pay her dues there.

If Bill Clinton is being vetted, it's probably by Podesta or Craig, guys who know most of his secrets already.

Hillary could have an interesting confirmation hearing, with the Clinton Library Donor list being front and center. Obama pushed for release at times during the Primary, so he can't brush it off as a non-issue. And it isn't - that list should be public record.

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If you think it should be public record, fine. Lobby to get the law changed. Presidential Library donor lists are confidential. Past attempts to subpoena the lists from the Reagan and Bush I libraries were also unsuccessful.

Being vetted for a position doesn't mean that you have to waive your legal rights, anymore than someone should be required to waive attorney client privilege simply because they're being considered for a job, even if it's SoS.

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I think the law should be changed. Do you think anyone foresaw the possibility that an ex-president's wife might be president (or SOS) years after getting his palms greased for his library by the rich and powerful around the world?

Just because someone isn't legally REQUIRED to do something, doesn't mean that they SHOULDN'T for a whole host of other reasons. Just as I felt that John McCain should release his medical records during the election, I think that Hillary and Bill should release the list of donors to assure the American people that there will not be any conflicts of interest.

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Schrodinger

I agree with you.

You may have those legal rights not to expose who the donors are, but that simply means you fail to pass the vetting test that Obama has set forth with his 63 question questionnaire.

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Spouses of Reagan and Bush 41 were not running for President, or in the running for Vice-President or Secretary of State. Foreign interests buying influence is a real concern given those positions especially.

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So being the father of a sitting President doesn't matter? Funny how Dems are so concerned about Bill's library, but I've never heard a word about Bush I's library. I guess he doesn't rise to the level of Clinton hatred.

And why is it that Bill getting donations to his library equates to getting his palms greased? Is raising funds for a library, or a charitable foundation, now equivalent to getting your "palms greased"? Oh right, only if it's Bill Clinton doing it.

When Bob Dole ran, should every donor to the Red Cross have been scrutinized?

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Yeah, ChrisO...imagine that we Dems have higher standards for our own.

Kinda like raising kids to have high standards even if the next door neighbors kids play outside for hours, yours have to come in and do their homework and chores.

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There will be new leaders in the Senate. I am not worried about that.

It will be interested to learn whether or not Bill Clinton will pass muster with the vetting team.

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I really hope that Obama doesn't pick her as SoS, the drama she brings is enough by it self to not want her as SoS.

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I think most people feel the same way you do. The headache she brings isnt worth it. I honeslty cant see him picking her. He doesnt need her. He already has her voters. With Richardson you get some one whose credentials is just as good as hers minus the drama.

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If she's being vetted, she's the pick (unless there is something dug up that disqualifies her). Obama wouldn't vet her unless he was serious, and she wouldn't agree to be vetted if she didn't have assurances it was hers if she passed the vetting process.

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Being "vetted" does NOT mean she is the pick. It simply means her background and any/all possible impediments to her Senate confirmation are being investigated.

Don't jump to the conclusion that she is the choice. Note that Bill Richardson is under consideration also.

Second, she might end up with HHS. If she wants to do Healthcare (again), HHS would give her a platform, would not conflict with Ted Kennedy's role.

But personally, I'd rather not see her as SoS. Too much of an opportunity for her and Bill to "bigfoot" Barack on foreign policy. (Actually that is just about true for anything she would be assigned.) But at the same time, I'd like for her to be put on ice for 2012.

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I agree Jade. Besides, there seems to be far more political upside to selecting Richardson in terms of 2012 re-election.

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It means she's under serious consideration, not that she's the pick. You don't get to be "the pick," unless you clear the vetting process.

The most you can say is that she's on the list of people being considered seriously enough to warrant vetting. Purely speculating, but I'd guess the content of her meeting with Obama was a) "You're on the list of people I'd like to seriously consider for SoS. Would you be interested enough to endure the vetting process?" and b) "where should we send our kids to school?"

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With Richardson you get some one whose credentials are just as good as hers minus the drama.

Richardson's credentials are better, in fact.  But what he lacks is her star power.

Imagine Obama sending his SoS to the Middle East to knock some Israeli and Palestinian heads together to get some movement on the peace front.  I think Hillary would throw a harder punch than Richardson.

But she does being danger with her, and it's spelled Big Dawg.

OTOH, if foreign influence on the SoS were a disqualifier, the way the Saudis pull this administration's strings, we might as well have Dickwad Cheney as SoS.

Oh, wait...

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But she does bring danger with her...

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I agree. I think Obama genuinely wants to offer SoS for Hillary. But Bill doesn't help. I can see him go fully rogue.

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Pay attention bro~ once Obama got the nomination locked down Both Bill and HIllary backed him up 100%. That is how a Pro handles it and that is how the Clintons acted. You on the other hand sound like a jealous school girl. Thank god Obama isn't distracted by your petty attitude. He knows how smart she is, he knows how much she can help him in a messy complicated world. He knows she is much more experienced in international affairs!

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Well, it seems your memory is faulty.

Once Obama had the nomination wrapped up, Hill would not concede. Rangel and the rest of her supporters had to come out and coerce her into the concession. Hill wanted to wait until the DNC to concede. There had to be a meeting held on neutral turf at Senator Feinstein's home first...then Hillary made a major big time press conference in the national Bldg on in DC....so, puhleeeze stop trying to act like they jumped on board with alacrity...didn't happen like that AT all.

Stop trying to re-write history.

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Agreed, along with the total lack of credibility. You can't believe a word that comes out of either of the clintons' mouths. We've had 16 years of double speak, distortion and out and out lies. I'm tired of it.

Unfortunately, with the reporting coming out, it may be a done deal. There goes our credibility on foreign policy out the window. What a shame.
I guess she'll be dodging sniper fire when she lands at heathrow.

Nonetheless, I hope that she and mr. bill don't pass the vetting process. How on earth could they? Give me a freaking break. Kazahkstan dictators, marc rich, etc., etc., etc. Talk about a slow motion train wreck. Ugh!

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"She might be SOS, so the large fee you paid me to speak at your conference might not be wasted after all!"

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Nailed it. For Bill, it's always about peddling influence.

Bill, remember all those "Hillary as Veep" wishful talks. Well, this SOS talk also will also follow the same formula.

Vetting Process = It ain't happenin'.

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What's interesting is now that her name has popped up for SoS, the GOP strategists are releasing some of their links of Bill to foreign entities. I'm sure the GOP had a huge narrative they were going to push on the public in the event Hillary won the Dem nomination. Make her and Bill out to be sympathizers to foreign nations that don't have our best interest in mind. I believe they had to scramble with Obama and got caught with their shoes untied.

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they had to scramble with Obama and got caught with their shoes untied.

actually, their shoes were tied together. one of the most gratifying parts of this election was how early on the GOP salivated to take on hillary, assuming she was a lock on the nomination. all that oppo research for nothing. unless she's SOS, of course.


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What's interesting is now that her name has popped up for SoS, the GOP strategists are releasing some of their links of Bill to foreign entities.

Tin Foil Hat Moment: It's more than interesting if one suspects that this may be the way that Obama torpedos any chance of this nomination ever getting through the vetting stage. He knows that there's dirt out there, but can't be seen digging it up and exposing it -- to do so by any Dem would be entirely unseemly and inappropriate. So, floating the prospect of a Clinton SoS kicks the GOPers' pavlovian anti-Clinton reflex into overdrive and they come up with the slime that Obama can't touch. Obama has an easy out and comes away smelling like a rose.

Not saying that this is what's going on, but the prospect of such a scenario couldn't be better written by Roviavelli.

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I agree Schmedley. However, I think the Clintons are responsible for the leak. I think the Obama team anticipated how the Clintons worked and knew that any talk with her WOULD result in a leak, which they then could capitalize on.

I see no political upside to HRC as SOS...the Clintons were strong on domestic policy not foreign policy. I do not think WJC needs to be given a world stage again, where he gets to dispatch Hillary on errands for his global affairs while using the SOS jet.

The job has too much prestige for the Clintons to be recycled onto the world stage and to the public again.

Given HRC a policy wonk position, like global warmning czar.

As far as strategy though, I do beleive that all this talk is due to the Clintons and not the Obama team. It will be leveraged to the Obama teams advantage, once again, much to the Clintons chagrin...they are no longer the master politicians. Obama and his team are exceptional power brokers.

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Bill Clinton will always be HRC's Achilles heel.

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It seems to me that all the "buzz" and unattributed quotes on this are coming from the Clinton camp to try to make such a big deal out of it that Obama will feel forced to select her. Particularly that anonymous quote yesterday to the effect of "he wouldn't have made her schlep to this extent with all this publicity and then not offer her the job"- talk about transparent!

If they hold true to strict vetting, the Clintons won't pass muster. I hope Obama doesn't give into the blackmail. (media: "*some say* if he doesn't offer the position it will splinter the Democratic party".... yeah right).

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I agree. You don't see all this chatter about Richardson, for example. It's clear that Obama has at least three people under consideration, so it's by no means a lock for Hillary. And if this is all from her camp, I'm sure it's cutting against her chances.

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My guess is if he didn't give into the VP pressure by everyone in the Galaxy, he won't have a problem appointing someone else if they are more qualified for the job.

Heck, we don't even know if she wants the job. I find it interesting how many Republicans are in support of picking her. This makes me wary.

Some of these same same peeps are adamantly against Kerry and Richardson filling the spot.

My guess is they want Hillary to have a cabinet position to use her as a stepping stone to begin rebuilding the party. And, what better way to rebuild than rally up the Republicans and conservatives against the family that shattered the Republican dream of ruling the Universe for all eternity.

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It "seems to me"? In other words, you base this on nothing. And reporters who attribute quotes to members of Obama's transition team are all lying because they re in the tank for Hillary. Facts don't mean a lot to Clinton haters, do they?

I'll bet it seemd to you that the Clinton's tax returns would be full of smoking guns, too. After all, everyone on this site assured us of that fact repeatedly. Sure turned out to be a non-event, didn't it?

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I don't worry about her doing a good job, as I think she'd be very effective in it - I worry about the White House having so many Clintonites in it and if they'll be able to see her as SOS and not "First Lady".

When is the last time Hillary has worked for somebody? Will she be able to work for and take direction from Obama or will she go into business for herself. I know Obama could remove her, however that would fracture the party into a civil war.

I think it might have been best to leave the Clinton's out of the Administration, I don't think there was clamoring for her appointment at least publicly - however now the door has seemingly been opened, it could open old wounds again if he goes in another direction.

Also you have to feel badly for Richardson, and Bill probably wants Hillary as SOS just to stick it to Richardson.

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Hillary as Secretary of State? HA!

Sounds more like Obama is playing quarterback and succeeded in faking a pass to divert attention from a lateral pass to a nearby back to make an end run around the opposition undetected to the goal.

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YEP!!

That is what I am talking about. The Clintons think they can outmanuever Obama. It's not the first time they have miscalculated this 'naive, and inexperienced' former Senator from IL. lol lol

Every time I hear talk of HRC in the cabinet, it reminds me of that debate in IA where she started cackling 'I wanna hear this' after Obama was asked how he was going to bring Change when most of his advisors were former Clinton folks...and he cut her laugh off..by quipping ..."I am looking forward to you advising me too, Hillary'


That was one of the absolute best moments/responses during the primary debates.

Another was in Philly when he said

" I spent the weekend riding in bumper cars with my girls to preparing for this debate'

Following every contender on stage being allowed to state why he was not prepared to be CinC before he was asked to respond.

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Jonze,

You nailed it. HRC is my senator and i am sure she be an effective SOS, my concern is Obama is surrounding himself with too many Clintonites. He defeated HRC by running against the Clinton machine, now, he's embracing the same people with open arms that is not Change we can believe in.' What about Richardson, Samantha Powell and Susan Rice?

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Jonze,

You nailed it. HRC is my senator and i am sure she would be an effective SOS, my concern is Obama is surrounding himself with too many Clintonites. He defeated HRC by running against the Clinton machine, now, he's embracing the same people with open arms that is not 'Change we can believe in.' What about Richardson, Samantha Powell or Susan Rice, i mean, those the people helped shaped Obama's foreign policy, the policy we as his supporters embraced.

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Just to send the world on a wild goose chase, someone in Obama's camp should anonymously release to the press Sarah Palin is being vetted for Secretary of State.

If anything, it would give us at least 48 hours of fun in the Internets.

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BWaaaHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Good one..

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The stories about the vetting process seem to be more reliable than the stories about Hillary being considered for the SoS position. (Stephanopoulos seems to be the main source.)

So, what's the likelihood that Hillary is being considered for some position other than SoS?

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So, what's the likelihood that Hillary is being considered for some position other than SoS?

Small, I'd guess.  I don't think she'd want to leave the Senate for anything less than one of the Big Four.

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VERY high...Indy.


I suspect...that is why she is out campaigning for the SOS job. She IS being considered for a job she will take but one which she does not prefer. Afterall, she thinks she should get the most plum and prestigious job in the cabinet ..that is all that would befit her and Bill's 'stature'.

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I don't think Obama is going to begin his presidency by being "forced" to do anything by the Clintons. If he doesn't want Hillary, all he has to say is Bill wasn't willing to be fully vetted.
But there are three things achieved in this choice: Hillary is removed as a threat in 2012, Palin gets knocked out of the media, and a woman is placed visually in Obama's cabinet, which is very important to the women voters. I think this may be Obama/Axelrod strategizing already for a second term.

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Bill's decision probably hinges upon whether or not the Sec. of State gets to have interns . . .

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Worthy of Rush Limbaugh.

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Napolitano for Attorney General....

4 years in that positon and she can run for Senator in Arizona in 2012.

WINNER! WINNER! WINNER!

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I don't see Obama as hiring "Clintonites." I see him strategically disassembling the Clinton machine.

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I wondered about that too. Being SoS would rule out a run in 2012 for Hillary. But Obama would be risking a lot just to keep her occupied for the next for years.

There's the Bill issue and the fact that she has a history of debacles behind her that makes one wonder what kind of executive abilities she has. She tends to be high handed and stubborn, and has a top-down management style coupled with a foreign policy decisions that are closer to Joe Lieberman than Obama.

According to HuffPo, Bob Gates has said that he will stay on as SoD if Hillary is SoS. How is that change? More importantly, will she toe Obama's line? I see drama ahead.

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Oh please quit with the pseudo~psycho~analysis please! The more you pretend to understand what motivates Hillary Clinton the more I have to laugh. Projection is a bitch!

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I agree Debra.

I see this as a new coach taking on a team with a losing record and turning it into a championship team, with many of the former players. We see this all the time in sports. New coach, same players...but now they have a winning record.

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Drama is in the Clinton's DNA. Obama should have seen this coming.


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Another, and a new, perspective on the vetting process. This is from Mike Allen at Politico (take it for what it's worth):

"Team Obama, after all but offering SecState to Senator Clinton, is expressing EXASPERATION with the Clinton camp for the difficulty in getting a clean vet on President Bill Clinton’s many entanglements. “The ball is very much in her court, but the president's finances have been a major point of sensitivity from day one,” a Democratic official said. (“Day One!”) “Given that everyone's mystified by how deliberately public the Clintons have made this once secret process, the assumption is either that the Clintons are trying to use the public buzz to steamroll their way in, create a sense of inevitability that overcomes those concerns, or that it's just a matter of time before they … satisfy vetting somehow, some way. Otherwise, after all this speculation, there’ll be a permanent dark cloud hanging over her finances. … But generally the sense among the no-drama Obama world is: This is well on its way to winning best Oscar for drama.”

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O..lookee, lookeee...game on!!

You want it, you leaked it...now give up the data...or you will not be selected.

Game, set ..match.

Obama vs. the Clintons...round II.

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Before Hillary Clinton is nominated to become Secretary of State, Americans must be provided:

1) A complete listing of all donors to Bill Clinton’s Foundation and Presidential Library.
2) A thorough discussion by Hillary Clinton concerning her approach to the job of Secretary of State in which she clearly indicates how whatever financial and other interactions her husband has had or will have with foreign leaders or prominent foreign citizens will not in any way conflict with her job as Secretary of State.

This may be a tall order but if the Clintons are unwilling to satisfactorily comply, Hillary Clinton should not seek to become Secretary of State.

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clearly i am disappointed in this and if it should happen obama would have my weaken my confidence in his ability to choose the best qualified person for the job regardless of ideology.....this would go down as a politically-motivated kiss ass blunder in my book...

hillary c is sharp so i dont oppose her per se (unlike palin, she is a quick study), but i do have a problem with the notion of choosing possibly the least qualified candidate out of the pool to mitigate old grudges....that is not change i want to believe in kind sir....

best of luck either way.....i guess this is one of the whole host of things i may not be too happy about, but the alternative is unthinkable, so that is as far as my gripe will go i suppose..

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I guess I don't see this as political "kiss ass" because there wasn't a groundswell for Clinton to get the SOS post. Heck there was certain belief that Obama was going to move quickly to name key posts and Hillary was never mentioned by the talking heads - it was Lugar, Kerry, Richardson, Hagel and sometimes Holbrooke.

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I feel like I stepped in fresh shit. This thread stinks.

Clinton hating? Really?

The Primaries ended months ago. Get over it. Everyone is on the same team, and we are ALL losing right now.

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We all lose if the clintons are anywhere near the administration. Check this out:

From Mike Allen:

Team Obama, after all but offering SecState to Senator Clinton, is expressing EXASPERATION with the Clinton camp for the difficulty in getting a clean vet on President Bill Clinton’s many entanglements. “The ball is very much in her court, but the president's finances have been a major point of sensitivity from day one,” a Democratic official said. (“Day One!”) “Given that everyone's mystified by how deliberately public the Clintons have made this once secret process, the assumption is either that the Clintons are trying to use the public buzz to steamroll their way in, create a sense of inevitability that overcomes those concerns, or that it's just a matter of time before they … satisfy vetting somehow, some way. Otherwise, after all this speculation, there’ll be a permanent dark cloud hanging over her finances. … But generally the sense among the no-drama Obama world is: This is well on its way to winning best Oscar for drama.”

From the other side, a Democratic source tells me that Clinton herself is conflicted about taking the job.

And this drama is before she even gets offered the position or accepts? Can you in your wildest dreams imagine the chaos and drama and distortions and blatant lies from the clintons if she gets to be secretary of state? Un-freaking-believable. Big mistake on obama's part if these bozos are anywhere near the whitehouse. It's not "clinton-hating," it's facts, pure and simple. It's time to turn the page and move on.

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Anyone who threatens to "obliterate Iran" as part of a campaign strategy to secure neo-con and Jewish votes, shouldn't come within a mile of the State Department.

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Absolutely agree, Agrippina.
Those Iran comments should immediately disqualify her. It is against international law to threaten genocide.

Obama wants diplomacy.
She likes bluster and doesn't seem to bothered by war/s.


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Interesting that Clinton folks are talking and putting the blame on Obama if Hillary isn't chosen in saying "it will be the media's fault if Sen. Clinton is passed over" which is really saying if Obama can't stand up to the pressure of the press then Hillary will not be chosen.

They do make a good point regarding the vetting issue though - Everybody agrees that Sen. Clinton was using the NY Senate seat as a resume padder/stepping stone for her own eventual Presidential run. And of course Bill Clinton would have known that his dealings and finances would be called into question, so either his dealings are clean or he was sabotaging Hillary's chances along the way.


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I'd love to know who these "aides" are who seem to be making a lot of remarks to stir up the pot in the media. And if the Clintons can't control their on aides from talking to the press now, then how can they be controlled once the real work begins if Hillary becomes SoS? Maybe this is enough of a reason to find somebody else for the job.

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Hello. All this bull being stired in the media by the clintons is a glaring freaking reason why neither of them should be allowed within a hundred yards of the whitehouse or the state department. No more clinton melodrama. We have too many international and domestic problems to be wasting time with the clintons' egos. Sayonara and adious. Let's get down to business.

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Ditto!!

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Ditto!!

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As tough as the Obama vetting process is, something tells me Bill and Hillary won't pass the test. Bill has some very "questionable" deals going on financially, and the Obama team won't stand for it.

It's possible Pres.-Elect Obama already knows Hillary won't pass the test, but wanted to float her name anyway as a sign of respect that he didn't overlook her. To make her the offer but her not be able to accept would put the blame squarely on the Clinton's. Then it would open the door for Bill Richardson to be offered the position, which may have been the plan all along.

HERE'S AN INTERESTING ARTICLE ON THE SUBJECT:
http://okwassup.blogspot.com/2008/11/secretary-of-state-clinton.html

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