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What McKiernan Really Said

In tonight's debate, Sarah Palin mischaracterized statements by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan, in which he said that an Iraq-like "surge" would not be appropriate for Afghanistan.

Palin asserted that one thing distinguishing John McCain's proposed policy in Afghanistan from President Bush's was that McCain thinks that "the surge principles that have worked in Iraq need to be implemented in Afghanistan, also."

In response Biden pounced, noting that McKiernan had come out against such an approach just today. Palin then hedged, saying that "McClellan" (meaning McKiernan) had not "definitively" ruled out using "surge principles" in Afghanistan:

Well, first, McClellan did not say definitively the surge principles would not work in Afghanistan. Certainly, accounting for different conditions in that different country and conditions are certainly different. We have NATO allies helping us for one and even the geographic differences are huge but the counterinsurgency principles could work in Afghanistan. McClellan didn't say anything opposite of that. The counterinsurgency strategy going into Afghanistan, clearing, holding, rebuilding, the civil society and the infrastructure can work in Afghanistan. And those leaders who are over there, who have also been advising George Bush on this have not said anything different but that.

But according to a report in Thursday's Washington Post, McKiernan was emphatic in remarks made Wednesday, that a "surge" would not succeed in Afghanistan. Here's what McKiernan actually said, according to the Post:

"Afghanistan is not Iraq," said Gen. David D. McKiernan, who led ground forces during the 2003 Iraq invasion and took over four months ago as head of the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan.

Speaking in Washington yesterday, McKiernan described Afghanistan as "a far more complex environment than I ever found in Iraq." The country's mountainous terrain, rural population, poverty, illiteracy, 400 major tribal networks and history of civil war all make for unique challenges, he said.

"The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,' " McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a "sustained commitment" to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution.

Biden 1, Palin 0.


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McCain's response to Palin's false statements: "Sarah Palin does not speak for my campaign."

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These people never own anything. Sarah breaks it. john disowns it. He's gonna throw her under the bus.

Jeez...she even "doubled down" on that and challenged the fact checkers to look into it.

(I think this is the part where she said that.)

Well, McClellan didn't do the best job at Antietam, but he did sort of win that one. Maybe she's on to something. I imagine McClellan must be getting a little on in years now though. Probably nearly as old as McCain himself.

Well, if they want to align themselves with McClelland, have at it.


He lost to Lincoln in '64.

Where's Ulysses S. Grant when ya need him?

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Digg this if you can.

The Digg link is always available from the Share pulldown in the lower right corner of a main article on TPM.

The "white flag" bit went over like a lead balloon with the public.

I don't know who the hell told her it was a good idea to say that, but they blew it.

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Well, there ya go filterin' my answers through that elite eastern media doncha know. I'm gonna give ya a little straight talk and ask 'n answer my own questions, again.

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Oh, I forgot:

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Sheesh, that should have been: [wink] [blink] [wrinkle nose]. I guess I'm just all tired from debatin'!

McKiernan is almost certainly correct that a "surge" isn't the thing for Afghanistan. But Palin ignored the bit about the "surge." She argued (poorly) that counterinsurgency practices could have a positive effect in Afghanistan. I think that's true. But that's a completely different point than she was asked about.

—Theory

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Many of the pundits were singing the praises
of Palin forthe fact that she didn`t
She deconstruct.No she did not,but
he didn`t really say much either.
Basically she was a cheerleader for
McCain as a maverick which was a lead in
for Biden who showed that McCain has not been a maverick on anything that matters to the
middle class,or education,he has no plan for running the country other than endless war

I guess Palin was right when she said McClellan never said that, because it was McKiernan that said it. Maybe there was some method to her madness.

She is out of her league. Thanks Sarah... you are sort of a blessing in disguise. Too bad the conservatives that are in a sort of phermone induced drunk over you will be starry eyed after your performance tonight. Hopefully everyone else will see it for what it is.

I still think she's a fuckin' mess!

I think Biden did just fine.

She not only was inaccurate on the surge and the general - she was inaccurate saying that Alaska is a huge energy producer when it only produces 3.5% of U.S. energy production. She also said Alaska under her leadership accounts for "much progress" towards U.S. energy independence when we haven't made progress on it, and in fact Alaska's supply under her has gone down. Details of this here -

http://dailysource.org/special/palin/216#

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Certainly, accounting for different conditions in that differentcountry and conditions are certainly different.
My brain hurts now.

But, in Palin's defense, General McClellan did say that the surge worked at the battle of Antietam.

Is it really too much, too elitist to demand that the leaders of the most powerful nation on the planet be able to speak that nation's language fluently? I'm willing to bet that Palin is one of those who believes immigrants should be required to learn English. It's appalling that we even have a candidate at this level who is more grammar- and syntax-challenged than Bush. I honestly didn't think it was possible.

No, you're right. It shouldn't be too much to ask to have leaders who speak well, be highly intelligent, and have a tremendous grasp of all the issues our nation faces. But, that's not going to happen with the McCain-Palin ticket.

If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny.

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