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Prominent McCain Supporter: I'm "Absolutely" Concerned That Obama Is Anti-American

This is a must-watch: On MSNBC just now, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), who has been a prominent McCain-Palin supporter on the cable talk shows, went on perhaps the most bizarre and McCarthyite rant about Obama that we've seen from a supposedly-respectable politician in this entire election.

Check out these clips:

Bachmann said she's "absolutely" concerned that Obama is anti-American. She attacked him for his association with, um, his wife, which she said raises questions about Obama's love for America. And -- in true Red-Scare form -- she called on reporters to investigate which members of Congress are secretly against America.

On top of all this, she also alleged that Saul Alinsky was a teacher to Obama in Chicago. Alinsky died in 1972.

Hmmm, maybe Bachmann has been writing all of McCain's robocalls in her spare time?


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This stuff really doesn't benefit the Republican Party.

It's painful to watch the grand old party these days.

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Sad, really.

Note the pause the first time what's-his-name lines it up and asks whether she specifically thinks Obama is anti-American. You can damn near hear her thinking "Do I go there?"

And she did. And from that point on she goes way the hell out into right field. Going, going, gone. Once she crossed that line, there was nothing holding her back.

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Heh. You think watching them is painful, try listening to them. These people make your ears bleed.

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"Supposedly-respectable politician"?

Eric, Eric, Eric, you give her far too much credit. Do you forget the near headlock she had on Bush during the State of the Union?

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Yeah, the secret service practically had to pry her off the guy.

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To be fair to her, the President of the United States has traditionally been the capstone of legitimacy and respectability in this country and the world. So George Bush ...

Oh, wait.

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Good for Matthews, pressing her like that.

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He should have pressed her more - exposed her illogical thinking. God, she is a nitwit!

I'm from Minnesota, but luckily, not her district. We didn't think she could be unseated this time around, but now she's vulnerable. It's crap like this that is doing her in.

Minnesota will go for Obama in a big way and those folks won't think too kindly of her Hardball comments downticket!!!

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I'm in MN, too, but not her district. But I'm grateful for the privilege of voting for Franken... and AGAINST Coleman.

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Yeah - I think Obama helps Franken too.

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I'm glad to have a candidate to vote for instead of voting against his opponent. I'm voting (and putting up lawn signs, donating money, etc.) for Franken, and I don't care about Coleman. He's just another name on the ballot.

Of course, I'm donating to Elwyn Tinklenberg regardless of who he is because Bachmann is such an embarrassment to our state. She represents the most conservative district, and even in other Republican leaning districts she wouldn't have a hope, or so I like to think. Anyway, we have seven districts that elected sane people, and there's a chance of sweeping the House races this year. Please, help Elwyn Tinklenberg and Steve Sarvi, who are underdogs against incumbents, and Ashwin Madia has a shot at an open seat. No one will be able to call us a swing state after that.

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I'm live in IL, originally from MN, and donated to El T after seeing this shameful display. Seems like a really good and progressive guy as well.

Hopefully his team comes up with a TV ad that would embarrass anyone thinking of voting for her. Wouldn't seem to difficult given the abundant material to harvest from. You would think there would be a few thoughtful conservatives in the district who would feel ashamed of the insane and incoherent person respresenting them.

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I watched the whole sad episode. I half expected Bachmann to give an 800 number for kids to call in order to turn in their "leftist" parents.

The question becomes how it plays on Sunday morning. Does the McCain camp try to walk it back, or go all in.

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This woman is not alright. She could be a danger to herself and others. All sharp and pointed objects should be kept out of her reach.

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I think she should be segregated from the rest of humainsty, and all sharp objects put well WITHIN her reach.

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I'm confused now, i don't know who's worse that crazy congresswoman or Palin?

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Bachmann is trying to out-Palin Palin. She has obviously interpreted Palin's quick rise from obscurity as a sign that the sky's the limit for female conservative nutjobs who lack policy knowledge and other substantive qualifications for leadership.

She's positioning herself for the future: Palin/Bachmann 2012!

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Bachman and Palin, the pathetic duo.

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Oh, she's soooo 1952.

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Here is yet another "Joe" for Mc Cain etal to embrace. Oh Edward R Murrow we need you once again.

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Why does this person get air time for her bile?

Though I'm glad to see that Mr. Matthews stood his ground, this is the sort of gibberish I'd expect to see on Fox.

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That was batshit crazy.

She's totally out of her mind. Anyone who would pull that stunt she pulled - grabbing the President of the United States and planting a big one on his lips on the floor of Congress in front of Jesus and Laura and everybody is totally out of her mind.

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She's Anne Coulter. I don't think she believes a word she says but the lunatics eat it up. She's a much smarter version of Sarah Palin.

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What in the world makes you think she's any smarter?

She sounds pretty dumb to me.

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She is not dumb at all. I think she's an attorney. It's an act.

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They must've paid her well. More than 30 pieces of silver?

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LOL - nicely played sir. It took me a second read to catch that.

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No, sorry, she's a complete nutter. There are all kinds of brain farts she's polluted the atmosphere with out there and this one's near the top. She'll basically reguritate anything her Republican masters tell her to no matter how dishonest, disrespectful or downright insane. And since when does someone being an attorney exempt them from being an idiot?

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As an attorney, I am well qualified to answer that question: never.

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She's a dumb attorney - went to an evangelical law school, I think - no offense to any evangelical lawyers out there!

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You are correct:

...she enrolled at Coburn School of Law.[9] Coburn was an affiliate of Oral Roberts University. The law school was accredited by the American Bar Association but folded after less than a decade of operation

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Sweet!

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She is on Larry King right now. She looks crazier than a pet coon. Are all evangelicals this wacky?
RFK Jr. is on too talking about David Inglesias the US Atty.

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You don't think there aren't some blindingly stupid fucks who are attorneys? People who couldn't find their asses in the dark with both hands and a diagram?

Tena and the rest of the army of lawyers who hang out here? Any of y'all wanna weigh in on that?

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I think I have before - haven't I?

I know I've gone off on law professors - but yeah, there are some pitifully dumb lawyers out there.

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Just because you pass the bar exam doesn't give you any more IQ points. Some of the attorneys I run into are pathetically stupid. In fact, I can't talk to my republican attorney friends anymore. All I see is this big question mark where their head should be.

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She's a knuckleheaded attorney then.

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Quayle was an attorney. (And I assume still is.) Being both an attorney and stupid isn't illegal.

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What happened to the republican party?

When did they turn so ugly?

We know these talking heads are liars, they know they're liars, they just don't care that they're liars. They know the old adage: repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it.

I guess what gets me is that they seem to enjoy, even relish, lying. These are bad people.

Honor is no longer a virtue in their book. Being shameless, however, is.

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When did they turn so ugly?
It's always been there, just below the surface, it just bubbles to surface when they become desperate enough.
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Yeah, the secret service practically had to pry her off the guy.

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How did this end up here? Sorry, CC. This is a duplicate of something I posted above. But whatever you were saying, it was correct!

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The GOP hasn't become radically crazier in the past few weeks; we're just seeing the crazier parts of it.

That's because at this point in the election, the saner conservatives are simply unwilling to go on TV and link themselves to John McCain. They don't want to put themselves in the position of having to defend the obvious lies, shameless smears, erratic behavior, disastrous VP pick, terrible policy proposals, etc. Moreover, they can see that McCain is going to lose and don't want to tie themselves to that sinking ship.

So when Hardball and other talking-head shows need to find someone to represent the GOP cause, they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel. After the election, all the manstream GOPers will be back -- kicking McCain's corpse, no doubt.

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The answer to your question is 1877. Ugly has been the normal state of the Republican Party since 1877. There have been periods of deviation from that norm, but, basically, yeah, I'm calling it at 1877 when they sold out the African Americans and abandoned them to 90 years of terrorism in order to steal four more years in the White House.

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Historical context/knowledge is sexy.

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They turned ugly in 1948 when Nixon spread lies and fear about his congressional opponent Jerry Voorhis and won the election. Nasty got a big boost in 1952 when Joe McCarthy targeted only Democrats in his anti-communist witch hunt.
Nixon cemented the evil with his Southern Strategy race baiting. Lee Atwater sank slime to a new level in 1988, Rove sank it further in the 90s, resulting in the "election" of George W. Bush

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Yeah, they were just peaches back during the New Deal. Gotta love the way they killed the League of Nations, too. TR's conduct during WW I (until Kermit was killed) was truly the very picture of political decency.

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???????????????????
Which Kermit are you referring to, and/or, what are you saying in this post?

Kermit Roosevelt
10/10/1889 - 6/4/1943
Born: October 10, 1889 at Sagamore Hill, Oyster Bay
Died: June 4, 1943 at Fort Richardson, Alaska on active duty.
??????????????????

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Doh! Quentin, not Kermit. Pilot. Shot down in 1918.

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Yay Michelle! That's our little firecracker! She just keeps making me proud to be a Minnesotan. Well...her and Norm Coleman.

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I just wish people would stop attacking John McCain's #2 pick for Vice President on this liberal-leftists-commie web site!!

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You forgot "anti-American".

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The really scary thing about people Bachman and Palin too, is how they keep that perfect beauty pageant smile while they accuse sitting members of Congress of being anti-american, and "paling around with terrorists."

Seriously, the people in this woman's district need their heads examined.

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Yeah, she's no good. She's also the one who, on the House floor, laid the blame of the economic crisis at the feet of urban minorities. Classy.

Give money to the man running against her, Elwyn Tinklenberg:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660

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That's another thang. Does the GOP even give a shit about how they look to anyone who isn't white?

Oh, nevermind...

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That horrid lunatic witch! Does it hurt to be so willfully stupid?

No matter. Thanks so much for providing the link. I just donated $50 a few minutes ago.

I feel better already.

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Thanks for the link. I just gave the guy $10. I've never been to Minnesota, but we don't need a McCarthyist Talibangeical pseudo-attorney like her in U.S. Congress. Dump Bachman!

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She should be censured for remarks like that.

This shit is reprehensible, and I want her punished, humiliated and thrown out of office.

She is un-American.

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don't worry, John McCain is going to repudiate her any minute now.

Any minute now...

any day now...

zzzzzzzz.....

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what do you mean? red scares are as american as baseball, apple pie, lynch mobs, and illegal wars.

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i just watched it for the second time, because i couldn't believe what i heard a couple hours ago, when hardball first ran.

that may be the most frightening interview i've ever heard. seriously, that is McCarthyism 2.0

i'm still stunned. kudos to matthews for drawing her out, and getting her to state clearly her (and presumably, the party's) view. this sort of shit needs to be exposed. it's a delicate dance, though: while it needs to be exposed, it's not going to help the hateful, violent crescendo to which the GOPers have been moving.

i wonder if mccain -- per his statement at the debate -- will repudiate bachmann's sentiments ... or if he will/would endorse them.

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Give them enough rope....... as my dear dad used to say.

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Matthews had Katrina vanden Heuvel on to respond to this diatribe. You have to see it. Wow.

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thanks for sharing--that was good to hear!

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Good, strong response from Katrina. The more I see of her, the more impressed I am.

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She was incredible and dead-on when it came to Bachmann's McCarthy-esque rantings. I always enjoy watching her on these programs; she challenges pinheads like Buchannan head-on every time. And, if she'd do me the honor, I'd marry he in a New York minute...intelligent women are so damn sexy.

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She was obviously aiming for Barack calm, but was spitting mad and had to struggle to contain herself.

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Well, when Pat Buchanan says your right wing hate speech is wrong, then you are really in trouble.

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Wow...wait till she finds out about Todd Palin!

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Wow, I watched it and I'm scared:
-- Scared of what our country is coming to. They are making the words 'Terrorist' and 'Anti-America' synonyms for 'Democrat'.
-- Scared that this stuff might actually scare others in a different way and give McCain the election.

Today a 6 year old boy stole the Obama sign from my yard because 'Obama wants to take [his] money and Christmas presents'.

I don't know what to say. Wow.

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Chin up. Cheer up.

Aw shit, you think people didn't get into fistfights over Andrew Jackson?

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I just felt really pissed off at Chris for letting go on and on perpetuating her bs with no correction. I mean he let her spout tons of republican smear talking points on his show. Uncorrected... there are people out there who will believe her bs even if they don't believe that Senator Obama is unamerican, they will believe that Senator Obama launched his political career in Ayers' living room.

These lies that are told over and over againg become rumor and truth via urban legend... it's gone around so long everyone just believes it is true....

I can't watch anymore...

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Actually, I'm glad Matthews let her go on. I do think in this case, he knew how batshit and terrifying what she was saying was, and he was giving her enough rope to throttle herself in public. Notice, in the response even Buchanan backed away from that crazy screed.

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I think Matthews knew she was going to hang herself, and simply gave her the necessary length of rope.

Bachmann did the GOP no favors with that little performance.

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In fact, notice that Matthews egged-her on a little, and kept pressing it to get to the heart of what she was saying: that liberals and members of Congress, her colleagues, should be investigated for "unAmerican Activities".

I thank Matthews, actually. Darkness needs to be brought to light sometimes.

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On the contrary, I think Chris was letting her in to fully reveal the lunacy. Come on, she was accusing half of the Senate to be anti-American! That could work in 2004, right now, I think she is digging her own hole.
I saw Bachmann in a debate last week. SHe is a good debated, because she talks about everything as if she knows. The democrat is quiet typical Minnesota guy, so she kind of impose on him. But there was an interchange on earmarks, that of course, are anathema. Next question was about the Stillwater bridge that she supports, and you guessed, is to be funded by a earmark.

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While I understand what all of you are saying... I myself, an activist and Obama supporter from the beginning did not know that

'he launched his career in Ayers' living room'

was not true!!

I had heard it so many times and not heard it refuted anywhere until the debate Wednesday night and a tpm blog this week about the rabbi who had a coffee for him.

It was not an important issue to me... but it demonstrates how much repetetive lies become 'facts' when unrefuted!!!

I understand that she was nuts but she still got in a long line of bs unrefuted.

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What a nutball.

It's my understanding she's in a pretty tight race fore re-election. Please, please, please let Obama have some very long coattails. That woman needs to lose her job.

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Bachmann has been batshit crazy for years, even when she was a the Minny congress. She isn't one of those wingnuts working this as an angle, or who on occassion gets lost in their own punch of bullshit. She's is truly fucking nuts.

It's also a sign of how completely insane the GOP has gotten. That not only is she accepted with open arms, but the GOP is rushing money up to her to defend her seat. You've got to think that guys like Luger are just puking when they think of half their party. Or why guys like Warner just want to get the hell out of there.

What happened to the GOP of Howard Baker and Nancy Kassebaum? There always have been swine like Nixon, but there use to be a good number that you could hold some respect for. They just don't exist anymore.


John

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I think she totally pretends to be nuts. She wants attention and she wants power. Compared to Michelle, Pat Buchanan is a sweetheart.

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She's not smart enough to pretend to be nuts. She's dumb as a wall, and batshit crazy to boot.

John

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I happened to catch that as it happened. I gave her my response while she was still ranting.

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That give me a sick feeling to my stomach. The swift boating campaign at its prime.

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I saw Bachmann. It was interesting because Katrina Vanden Heuvel came on not too long after and gave a very passionate reply which warned of the kind of dark and proto-facist forces Bachmann was stirring up. This was interesting to me mostly because I find characters like Bachmann to be mostly amusing. They don't really make me angry. But Vanden heuvel was visibly upset by her.

What interests me is that I suspect there is something of a generational difference here where I am not conditioned to take people like Bachmann seriously. She is just one of many absolute nutjobs, particularly ubiquitous in the House that I just don't imagine as having much influence over anything. But I may very well be wrong. Bachmann is too stupid and too crazy to achieve much of anything but she has a posse. The mood of this country can change very quickly. Katrina feels that in a way that maybe some of us who are bit younger than her probably do not. I didn't get a chill when I listened to Bachmann. I got it when I listened to Vanden Heuvel

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My reaction mirrors yours - I don't take Bachmann seriously and the House is where you get these wackjobs.

But in the end, they don't represent anything at all like a mainstream which is why getting that scared of them seems to me to give them far more importance than they deserve.

Except that vanden Heuval so obviously did take her seriously - and I understand her historical analogy and why she made the point.

But this isn't Germany in 1930. We aren't going from weak Weimer to Hitler - we're moving from American Fascism back in the other direction -


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It may not be Germany in 1930 but it's plenty German in MN-6.

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It doesn't matter where one's ancestors came from!

Whether it's "German", "Black", "Muslim" or "Irish", that doesn't matter.

This kind of racial profiling in politics has got to stop.

Having German blood does not mean someone is right-wing.

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I see that the folks at Daily Kos are also putting out the word to fund her opponent. There is apparently a Democratic-sponsored poll that shows her only 4 points ahead.

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You know, I've watched her and other right wingnuts closely in many interviews and it's weird that, in most cases, their eyes have a tendency to bulge slightly every so often as their mouths spew that rapid fired hate mongering. I'm pretty sure their aliens.

On another note, with apologies for the imagery and not to intimate any complacency whatsoever, it sure is fun watching these folks work so hard to try and put a spit shine on this turd of a campaign.

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Sad! In some sense you got to feel for the republicans. Independents and undecideds are cool to their smears and on Nov 4, were going to get a democratic President, Senate and Congress.

Conservative monopoly on our country is slowly crumbling.

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In some sense you got to feel for the republicans.

Um, no you don't.

Reeps are doing bad things to us, and have been for a long time now. I am not at all inclined to feel sympathy for them.

I still am agog over this continuing battered-wife syndrome that surprisingly many liberals seem to profess for conservatives and Reeps. Maybe it's because they only feel sorry for the Reeps who currently hold office in districts and states that they don't have live in every single day.

Believe me, I won't shed a single tear if my representative, Marilyn Goddamn Musgrave, gets tossed out on her ass this year. And neither should you.

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Co-sign. No. Sympathy. And especially NOT for any "rational" Republicans (are there any left?) who stay silent and don't call these bozos on this crap.

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I called her office and demanded an apology. Call her office.

Her St. Cloud office number:
320-253-5931

DC Office:
202-225-2331

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I just called her numbers. All mailboxes are filled. That is a frightening woman. I just donated to her opponent. He's only 4 points down.

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My favorite:

CM: "I thought Tony Rezko was some business guy. I didn't know that he was a leftist anti-American guy."
MB: "Yeah, that's troubling too."

I do think that would be an awesome media report. We've gotta find out who these anti-American congresspeople are. We have to look over everyone's record (or to save taxpayer money we can just look over the Democrats since Republicans are always pro-American). No stone left unturned. I want to know who these people associated with beginning in kindergarten. I want to know who they have been in the same room with.

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I heard a rumor that JOHN MCCAIN was palling around last night in New York with a man known to himself pal around with a terrorist.

I think that's something Sarah Palin should start talking about at her rallies!

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It can't be true. Who will I vote for? Who can I trust? They are all out to get America!

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G. Gordon Liddy?

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Wow! Is this the 50's over again? Who elected this nutcase?

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Proof that positive progress is by no means guaranteed...

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I'm from Minnesota - not her district- but I know she got elected on those conservative social issues - she's an evangelical. Exurbia. We in the city are more tempered!

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See, that's the demographic they are shooting for. I can just picture it-its the same as O'Fallon, Missouri where McCain, Plain, Huckabee (where is he now?)and Romney did their big thing in Aug. I have family there and its that exurban, McMansion, thang that tries to re-create the fictional 1950's ideal but with an evangelical twist.
Makes my skin crawl but is also really funny because they all have abortions, divorces, affairs, go to Hooters, etc. but are trying to "get right with Gawd", so it must be OK...

punters.

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I find it interesting that Matthews and much of the media continued the Ayers narrative, yet I have still not seen any of the new outlets play the comments from McCain during his Letterman interview. What about McCain's connection to Gordon Liddy?

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Shhhh... Ayers Ayers Ayers!!

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Right--and just a few years ago Liddy, on his own radio show, called for the killing of federal agents. Liddy never apologized for those comments.

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it was more than a few years ago. and i wouldn't go too far out on a limb demonizing liddy for his 'head shots' comments - he was referring to the alarming increase in the use (and misuse) of no-knock warrants by federal law enforcement agencies that had led to people being gunned down by federal agents. in order to attack liddy on this, you kinda have to defend stormtrooper tactics.

his point was that if someone storms your home in the middle of the night and in defending yourself you shoot for center mass instead of taking head-shots and it turns out it's a federal agency 'serving' a no-knock warrant (wherein they bust down your door and don't identify themselves as law enforcement) you'll end up dead because they will be wearing kevlar vests and will return fire with lethal force.

no-knock warrants are bad news. and janet reno's DOJ is something i'd rather not have to defend too strenuously...

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It's not about demonizing Liddy, it's about showing the hypocrisy of the Ayers charges. And by the way, Liddy has a wealth of baggage beyond random comments.

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Wow... that woman is mentally ill, seriously. Look at her eyes... wide-open throughout... she is such a whack she even doesn't blink (!) as she keeps vomiting crap. That's a psycho.

Crazy McCain rally lady must have voted for her.

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Sad! In some sense you have to feel(sarcastically) for the republican party. Independents and undecideds are cool to their smears and on Nov 4, were going to get a democratic President, Senate and Congress.

Conservative monopoly in our country is slowly crumbling.

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Matthews gave her a lot of rope, and she promptly wrapped it around her neck and hung herself.

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Thats exactly what I was thinking after watching this a second time. You can tell by the blank looks on her face every time he asked a question regarding some of her comments. We dont need fanatics like her at a time like this.

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She hung herself as far as we're concerned. There are a whole lot of people out there who believe she has the guts to stand up and tell the truth about this evil liberal, leftist, anti-American scum. We shouldn't get too complacent. Red states love shit like this.

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Like the hefty guy used to say, "You are correct, Sir!"

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What the fuck, Minnesotans?

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Disgust Barometer:

In the past 30 minutes, her opponent for her House seat has raised over $7,000 at ActBlue.

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660

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I wonder if this interview could turn into a game-changer for that race. How could it not, unless that district is populated with Crazy McCain Rally Ladies.

"...no?"

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Don't forget Harriet Christian.

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It's populated by right-wing German Catholics and exurban anti-taxers.

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$10K in one hour.

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Thanks for the link, just gave $50.00.

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Let's get that to $100,000! Pass it around!!

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Talking about Rezko, I kind of remember that in the lawsuit in Illinois it came out that he and his group raised more money for Bush than for any democrat, and that they had connections with K. Rove. Anybody else remember anything about that?

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Michele Bachmann, as has already been pointed out, never made a lick of sense when she was in the Minnesota legislature, either. When she was elevated to Congress, it was kind of like..."Mr. Smith Goes To Washington," if Mr. Smith hadn't been real smart. You kind of think, "Er...okay. How did THAT happen?"

Because she talks like this ALL THE TIME. Not in the sense of accusing members of Congress of being anti-American; I admit, I've never heard this. But she was obsessed with making sure gay people never got any rights to anything, she talked about how God spoke personally to her to order her to run for Congress, she claimed that she knew about a secret plan to divide up Iraq and give part of it to Iran, and holds the distinction of having introduced the Light Bulb Freedom Of Choice Act to keep the government from making you install compact fluorescents.

Here's what I'm saying: she's weird. She's always been really, fundamentally, utterly weird. When she did that thing with grabbing Bush's arm, nobody actually from the state was surprised, because...she's weird. That's the word I most associate with her. I mean, it's not that this isn't evil and horrible and frightening, but mostly she's just...a real, genuine weirdo.

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This is not the 1st instance that a Republican has claimed liberals to be anti-American. This has been an ongoing process, election after election. I blame all liberals for allowing conservatives to define what constitutes "Americanism." What and where is our version of "Americanism"? Why cannot we dare to define conservative essentialism as anti-American?
Matthews may have looked strong when he asked how many Congressmen could be labeled as anti-American, but he was weak not to question where she got the constitutional/authoritative/transcendent privilege to define "difference and tolerance as anti-American." How anti-American is it to call a fellow American, let alone a Senator, an anti-American? He did not question the premise from which she was defining Americanism and calling others anti-American. Why didn't he ask the anti-American biatch this question, "When did fascism, intolerance, inequality, ignorance, corruption, war mongering, anti-Science, deregulated/unrestrained capitalism, lies, revenge, and all other conservative values championed by Republican Party become exclusively Americanism?" In short, why cannot we define conservatism is anti-American the way they define liberalism as anti-American?

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I agree but would like to perhaps make the caveat that I'm sure you would agree with, and that is; its the *extreme* right wing conservatism that needs to be called out.

I sense that that kind of flag waving, knee-jerk, goose-stepping nationalism is waning right now except among the extreme wingers. If we have another 9-11, all bets are off...

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I agree with you, especially about Democrats ceding Americanism for some time. It is one of the first things that attracted me to Obama--his ability to frame his story as a quintessentially American story, the kind everyone can get behind. I can understand how, in the course of campaigning, he's gotten forced into talking about other issues and aspects of himself. But I wish we would hear more that does not just defend Democrats, but actually asserts that their values are more moral, less elite, and yes more American than their Republican counterparts.

Don't know if you read any of Biden's comments from today. He played defense against this kind of crap (about Palin's pro-America comments from yesterday). It was pretty great.

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To paraphrase the immortal words of Barney Fife about Ernest T. Bass:

She's a NUT!!!

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She needs to be DEFEATED!

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The AP has picked this up. And the local MN teevee are running with the story. This thing might have some legs.

Is her district really that conservative? It's in the twin city burbs, right?

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It's a gerrymandered district that contains a bunch of exurbs and a particularly socially conservative German Catholic area. Ironically, while we in MN-5 were electing the first Muslim to Congress, a liberal and very sane representative, the folks in MN-6 were electing this lunatic.

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Her district touches the burbs, but most of it is exurban.

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Her district also includes Stearns County, the presumed home of Garrison Keilor's Lake Wobegon.

Which makes sense, in a weird way. With all of the kids in Lake Wobegon "slightly above average," somebody like Bachmann needed to anchor the other end of the Bell curve.

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Does anyone else find it interesting that with all the shit being flung at Obama he's still up in the polls over McCain. I find it encouraging. I think it's more a refection of Obama's quality than McCain's failings.

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The final solution for the Apocalyptic Christians involves this kind of madness.

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Chicago Tribune endorses Obama...

"This endorsement makes some history for the Chicago Tribune. This is the first time the newspaper has endorsed the Democratic Party's nominee for president."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-chicago-tribune-endorsement,0,1371034.story

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Great Editorial!

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I thought so too. It's great hearing the perspective from those who have been following Obama closely for years.

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240 years and this is their first endorsement for a Democrat. If that doesn't say something then WOW.

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The paper has been around for 240 years? Wiki says 1847-ish (course, they are libruls)...

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I think it's something like 160 years.

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160, 240 whatever. It's never happened so that's saying something. It will be interesting to see what the WSJ does...

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That's what happens when you type without looking at the keyboard folks. 160, so sorry.

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no worries. It's historic. who's counting?

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Great editorial, as said above. Some soaring rhetoric in there, but the banal also caught my eye when it came to Mr. Country First's veep selection:

"McCain put his campaign before his country."

Anyhow, a real eye-opener, and I guess this could help in Indiana suburbs/exurbs(?).

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I was gonna cancel my subscription if they endorsed McCain. I might cancel anyway. Their new design sucks.

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L.A. Times is also good.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-endorse19-2008oct19,0,5966124.story


Oops, I don't know how to post this URL so you can click on it.

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Stirring. Moving.

How can any sane newspaper not endorse Obama?

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WSJ won't, but they are not in the category you indicated.

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Palin/Bachmann 2012, Raving Loony Party

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Makes sense....the common loon is Minnesota's state bird.

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Donate to her opponent. Even if it is only $10. That is how we will beat these crazies. It's Friday night and you're likely at home, not spending money on booze & food. Spend it on better guests for Chris Matthews!

DONATE:
http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

DONATE:
http://www.tinklenberg08.com/

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He has gone from 2,000 prior to the interview to #39,000 as of five minutes ago. She is a great fund raiser.

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Eric or Greg, could you maybe ask the Obama campaign for a response? With your help this could get big!

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Good for her. We need more of that from them and THAT repudiation needs traction...

To paraphrase "Hillary" (Amy Poehler), grow some balls, Repugs!

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Mrs. Bachman wants to investigate a majority of the Congress? Do I have that right?

Gallon of gas, meet fire!

This woman is clearly in love with something, it's just not America. So sad for the people of Minnesota!

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But this isn't Germany in 1930. We aren't going from weak Weimer to Hitler - we're moving from American Fascism back in the other direction

We hope to move in the other direction on Nov. 4th. All signs are that we will. But here we must deal with genorously adiposed women and their arias. And she's got a back-up chorus of nine guys in black robes who have gone off-key before.

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Let's ask any republicans we can find, are you proud of this? Are you>

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I think it's more a refection of Obama's quality than McCain's failings.

I think Obama was extremely genorous to McCain. The fact that Obama did not, and did not need to tear McCain to pieces only emphasises how far Obama towered over him, as a politician and a person.

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All liberal politicians and their supporters are whiners when Republicans call us anti-American ("Oh, my God, she just called me anti-American for being a liberal? She is scary." That is a fucking weak response. At least to the ignorant ears, it almost gives an impression that we are guilty of being liberal. That "we are being demonized" is not the effective response).
Right wing extremism is hijacking "America" and "Americanism," and all we do is whine, directionless. Yes, we are guilty.
In a sense, liberals are anti-Americans to let Republican extremists/fascists define us as anti-American. Tolerance cannot tolerate intolerance. That is the paradox.
[How do we deparadoxify this situation that we are in? Neither Habermasian consensus nor Mouffe-Laclau's hegemonic theory nor Lyotard's deferand sufficiently provide a way out of this? In philosophical term, there is simply no telos, and every meta-regulation is nothing more than an expression. Yet, on the one hand, we are still trapped into Kantian Enlightenment humanism, with the burden to awaken Republican cavemen; on the other, we aspire to be post-Kantian /post-humanist and are willing to tolerate their intolerance and let them be who they are. No, we cannot tolerate intolerance and cannot allow intolerance to define Americanism. There has to be a rigorous discussion on what constitutes America on liberal platform so that we prevail in the nationalistic discourse.
Maybe, Obama feels the urgency to deliver another speech on Americanism, in a manner he did on race].

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It wouldn't be wise for the Obama campaign to get down in the dirt with Bachmann but Katrina is perfectly accurate in describing folks like Bachmann as fascists. The right has called us communists and unAmerican for decades. Throw it back at 'em. They've become so over-the-top extreme with unprovoked wars, trashing the Bill of Rights, suppressing the vote, deploying the military within the United States, training local police to act like a secret police, running racist campaigns -- why is fascist not a perfectly accurate description of some of these folks? I do not mean that it describes generic conservatives or even generic Republicans but there is a group within the Republican Party that it describes with complete accuracy.

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This is why I'm loving Biden. He's working class with that no bullshit *fire* that goes a long way to pushing back on this.

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S, we have been demonized for years and it was a bad time when we were in the minority and helpless.

The entire zeitgeist has changed and they don't own the public discussion anymore. The Repugs don't have the majority and are getting ready to lose every thing - the White House and Congress.

I was scared shitless 4 years ago - that was the time to be scared.

Now I'm not scared of these people because the whole country is telling them that they are only speaking for themselves - a small group of nutty angry silly not very bright people.

Everything is changing - look at the SCOTUS decision about Ohio today - that was awesome. The Obama Camp sent a letter to Mukasey about the ACORN fraud the Repugs are trying to pull again that they are alleging has ties to the White House - which is major -

They are fighting dirty because they know it's over.


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I hope we get a mandate because the Dems have been without a spine for so long they hardly remember how to stand up straight. I'm not talking about loading up on pork or even passing the leftie legislation I'd love to see, but they better find a way to work with some small "c" conservatives to take our Constitution back. Plus a big majority will enable Obama to put some strong liberals on the Supreme Court.

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Let's hope it also applies to WI.

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According to Rachel Maddow, Bachmann's opponent, El Tinklenberg, has received $30,000 from all over the country since she was on Hardball.

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Two pieces of great news - according to Rachel Maddow, Tinklenberg, Batshit Bachmann's opponent, has now raised $30,000 since that appearance on Hardball. LOL!

The other good piece of news - Repug Susan Collins has called on McLame to stop the robocalls.

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I was about to post that. The follow-up events give me great hope the country is not going to fold for this jinda shit.

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I think we're a closer to 40K now. Bachmann just laid her ass on a beehive.

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I actually sent money to him via ActBlue.com (along with three close Senate races). I am curious how many donors sent money to Tinklenberg. The more the merrier.

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1030 donors as of 9:40 EST.

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I'm loving this and I'm LMAO!

You know all these 6 or 7 years I've held on to the belief that once these people were exposed enough, Americans would wake up and say "Wait just a damn minute..."

Oddly enough, what I saw happen was that America got the shit scared out of it by the election of 2004. I have not to this day met any but a handful of people who could believe it had happened - everyone I ran into for weeks was shell-shocked. By 2006, it was all over - Bush was sliding downward precipitously and everyone was mad.

Now everyone is madder.

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Looks like we are getting closer to 50K now. I'm looking at the ActBlue number, not sure if their number includes the money and donors through his own campaign website, but if not we may have gotten past the 50K line already.

Yes, we are VERY mad. And we want to make them pay!

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What's up with Rachel giving a shoutout to McCain for saying that he wouldn't make any signing statements as president? This is the same guy who said that he would balance the budget in his first four years and who has repeatedly lied throughout his campaign. And yet, we are supposed to believe what he says about signing statements?

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I think she's trying to signal that she hopes that Obama also takes up this position, and thus turns it into an issue to be used against Bush and his abuses of power after the election.

The problem with this is, anything that'll highlight differences between McCain and Bush is something that we should avoid at all cost. Personally, I wish that she hadn't gone there, it's a serious cart-before-the-horse issue right now. But that's just part of what makes Rachel, Rachel.

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It wasn't that long ago a group of prominent republicans bent on destroying a president personally, and then hoping a political would follow.

The players in the Clinton impeachment, Tom Delay, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr et al all were rejected for their actions.

I hope their is another purging of these republicans who act as though their only agenda is to attack anyone with a d next to their name.

I guarantee that once Obama is elected the republicans will work day and night to manufacture some sort of scandal against him.

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From Wikipedia:

Bachmann introduced the Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act, to repeal the nationwide phase-out of conventional light bulbs. She argues that the government has no business telling consumers what kind of light bulbs they can buy: "By 2012, incandescent light bulbs will be no more," Bachmann said. "Fluorescent bulbs are more polluting because of their mercury content. We are working on a light bulb bill. If the Democrats can hose up a light bulb, don't trust them with the country."
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She quite appropriately represents all the dim bulbs.

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Nice.

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She is more infamous for proposing "elimination of minimum wage," not just for voting against raising minimum wage.
El Tinklenberg is behind by just 4 points. Let's hope he unseats the fascist after this anti-American epithet. We really need to help out El whatever we can.

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Just kicked in some bills.

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She puts the "Duh" in Duluth.

When it comes to brains, she puts the "Miny" in Minneapolis.

Working on something for St. Paul....give me a few minutes.

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Bachmann is batshit crazy - probably the most extremist politician in Washington.

The people of the 6th District MUST elect El Tinklenberg and get rid of the hideous Bachmann.

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I watched that whack-job on Matthews...with my jaw on my chest. She is one scary person...and she speaks with a smile on her face.
I also watched Rachel Maddow, and she told us, and I believe Rachel always....that bachman's opponent collected $30,000 in the few hours since backman's performance!!! I say that she has 'jumped the shark'.....just the way that the whole repub party has!!!

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And looks like we've just got past 50K (per ActBlue).

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Is Obama's push back to the GOP ACORN Smear getting any MSM coverage (outside of Rachel and Keith)? CNN bit hook, line and sinker into the GOP ACORN talking points, I was wondering if they were giving equal coverage to Obama's pushback...

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You guys really have to check out Tinklenberg's Act Blue page. That's where the Kossack's are flooding him with donations because his own site crashed with the traffic. He's up over $50k in just a few hours!
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660
You can just hit refresh every few minutes and watch the totals grow. Nothing like taking back our democracy!

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Thanks for the link. It's $55,110 now. I just gave $25 and that's without even knowing how I'm going to make it to my next payday.

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I think El Tinklenberg should send her a thank you card. Maybe even a dozen roses. This was an act of generosity towards his campaign that you rarely see from a political opponent in the midst of a highly contentious race. I wonder, was that her usual nuttiness or did she act extra nutty just to help bring in those donations?

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I am now a proud contributor to El Tinklenberg's campaign. That one will have to go down in the random life trivia portion of my brain.

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Over $52,200 for Tinkleburg so far. Sweet. This is linked via here, Huffington, Salon, etc.

I wonder if this will scare any other Repub spokespeople that want to repeat this kind of crap in the future.

One can dream....

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I wonder how the wonderfully loonie Michelle Bachman would answer this question: "Why does someone who is Anti-American want to run for President of the United States?".

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ActBlue is now at $52,732. I just made a contribution in memoriam of Ms. Bachmann.

G'Night all.

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El should just use the Hardball quotes as an ad from here on out to the election. Bachmann is a national embarrassment, and Minnesotans in her district should get rid of her.

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If El's watching the money roll in right now, he's got to be tickled to death over it.

It's $56,240 now and there's still a rerun of Rachel Maddow coming up, plus the local news that will probably give it a mention.

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60 grand and counting. Hit 'refresh' every 10 seconds and watch as the figure rockets. This toxic woman is a gift to Democrats. Minnesotans need to get rid of this poisonous woman, pronto. In the mean time, she's done us all a favour...

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And that's probably what ActBlue alone raised, I assume, so put together with what his own campaign site raised since then, the total should be much bigger.

We must boot that fascist out of Congress.

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I think his site crashed do to all the hits

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The guy has raised 1 mil this ENTIRE ELECTION CYCLE, he is on his way to making 10% of that entire sum in ONE NIGHT. Keep sending that word and DONATING, LET'S GET THIS NUTJOB OUT OF OFFICE.

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Just Donated my share $25 plus tip!

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I just watched Bachmann in "Fool for Christ" on Daily Kos. Whoa Nelly, she's one dimwitted loon.

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66,800 +

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In addition to donating money...

http://www.censurebachmann.com/

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I just did both. It feels good.

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I think it's time that Obama challenges McCain to run a really positive, issue-based campaign. I hope he will mention that his campaign could have run ads on Palin's shady association with the Alaskan Independence Party and her Troopergate scandal as well as McCain's numerous shady associations but he absolutely doesn't want to take this country in that "same old politics" direction.

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I keep pointing this out: every one of their flailings does more damage. Thankfully, the idiot fascist is not my congressperson. (Mine's Keith Ellison; Yay!) 50 grand? amazing. A good friend at work lives in her district (lake home and a looooong commute). His face turns grey every time her name comes up. This is going to make him very happy.

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I think an alien parasite has penetrated Michelle Bachmann, depriving her brain of necessary nutrients, and has taken over. Please, TPM,
we need an investigation into what demonic spawn turned her into a wingnut drone. Oh, and don't look in her eyes. The spawn attacks the eyes first.

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65,500+

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Three more newspaper endorsements (including the Denver Post!), which come after those surprising endorsements today by the Tribune and the LA Times.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875479

* And of course, as Obama dominates in this department, Fox is whining...

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/17/rmiller_1017/

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I just gave $25 to Mr. El Somethingorother. C'mon u lot, lets get what's-his-name to $100,000!!!

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Just broke 70,000 against that cow!

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On Dec. 1 I get a $125 dollar raise from the VA. I gave tinklehammer 25 of that ...Let's get rid of Fascists from congress!

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Don't ever refer to increase in VA disability as a "raise." You earned the respect and compensation for your service-connected disabilities by your faithful service to our nation. I was just increased myself to 50 percent disabled and I am contributing to anti-Fascists as my fixed-income resources are diminished by failed Bush administration.

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Thank you.

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Censure Michele Bachmann
http://www.censurebachmann.com/

Dump Michele Bachmann
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/

Michele Bachmann is Minnesota's Answer to Florida's Katherine Harris. This blog is here to chronicle Michele Bachmann's antics.

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As we say in Hawaii, that's one Hauna Wahine!

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He's gotta be way past 100k if he already has 75 on ActBlue. One can hope. . .

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Only at 73 plus on Act blue so far...but climbing!

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Just threw $20 to Tinklenberg.

Then I did a big double-flip-off FUUUUUUUUCK (intake of breath) YYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUU!!!!!! to the shitstain unAmerican Bachmann. In my mind.

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This woman has taken an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution?

Maybe she forgot that!

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How much does it cost to buy teevee time in the MN 6? Do they have to pay Twin Cities media prices? Anyone know?

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This is Bachmann's Church in Brooklyn Park,Minnesota---CREW FILES SECOND COMPLAINT AGAINST LIVING WORD CHRISTIAN CENTER

LWCC MAY HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR PASTOR'S STUNT PLANE // 9 Feb 2007
CREW FILES IRS COMPLAINT AGAINST LIVING WORD CHRISTIAN CENTER // 17 Oct 2006
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StarTribune.com
»8 Feb 2007 // Washington, DC - Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service against the Living Word Christian Center (LWCC), in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota. This is the second complaint CREW has filed against the LWCC.

CREW’s complaint alleges that the LWCC, organized under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC), has engaged in illegal financial transactions with LWCC’s senior pastor and founder, James "Mac" Hammond, in which Hammond has profited from the church’s activities. Hammond and his wife are two of the seven members of the LWCC’s board of trustees, making them “insiders” under federal tax law. Tax law prohibits insiders from benefitting from a 501(c)(3) organization.

Loan documents given to CREW by the blog Minnesota Monitor show that LWCC showered Hammond with favorable financial deals, including a scheme under which Hammond purchased a plane, partially on credit, from the church and then leased it back. The church then paid Hammond twice the amount per month to rent the plane that Hammond paid the church to buy it.

In addition, the plane remained in Hammond’s possession while the church paid all of the related expenses, including rent to store the plane in Hammond’s own hangar.

The leaseback deal may violate tax law “inurement” rules barring financially favorable deals to insiders like Hammond as well as prohibitions against using charitable resources to compensate insiders for activity not related to the organization’s tax exempt purpose.

In addition, between 1999 and 2004, the LWCC made Hammond eight loans totalling $1.9 million at very favorable rates and terms. Two of the loans were related to the purchase of the plane Hammond then leased to the church, three were unsecured in any way and another was for Hammond to buy a private house in Florida.

CREW’s earlier complaint, filed in October 2006, charged Hammond with violating the prohibition on churches engaging in electioneering activity.

Melanie Sloan, CREW’s executive director, said, “Pastor Hammond and the LWCC have shown a disturbing pattern of violating federal tax law and the IRS has done nothing.” Sloan continued, “The IRS has not hesitated to target liberal organizations. When will enough be enough and the IRS finally step in and investigate a conservative church that has repeatedly demonstrated its contempt for federal law?”

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There is one universal rules when politicians go on tv: DONT SHOVE YOUR FOOT UP YOUR BUTT.

This video is all over the web. She just nailed her own coffin shut. I cant wait to see how her campaign spokesperson spins this. Whats worst is that she stepped in it all on her own, Mathews basically just let her hang herself.

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Bravo, Mr. Mathews! Any more...?

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I've been watching the threads on this at Daily Kos, and posted the various links in a reader comment here:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/astral66/2008/10/an-amazing-thing-netroots-acti.php

The Act Blue site just hit $75,000!

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The U.S. Government vs. Living Word Christian Center in Brooklyn Park

October 6, 2008

On its face, the case of the U.S. government vs. Living Word Christian Center in Brooklyn Park seems like an esoteric argument over obscure issues in the tax code and the organizational chart of the Internal Revenue Service.


But attorneys for the church and its pastor, the Rev. Mac Hammond, argued in U.S. District Court on Thursday that the case is about the First Amendment, separation of church and state and the reach of the government into the actions of religious organizations.

Magistrate Judge Jeffrey Keyes took the issue seriously enough to ask for more information from both parties. "It's an issue I could see moving a long way through the courts," he said.

The IRS has filed a petition in U.S. District Court to force the church to answer a demand for detailed financial information. The church declined to comply with an IRS summons in March, arguing that the request was overly broad, and that the law states the request must come from a "high-ranking official" of the IRS. The U.S. attorney's office then sued to force compliance.


The IRS is interested in compensation for Hammond and the details of a relationship in which the church bought a jet for the pastor and founder of Living Word, which he then leased back to the church at a profit. The deal was questioned by a Washington watchdog group.

Hammond originally drew attention to himself by endorsing now-U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann for Congress from the pulpit, which violates rules for tax-exempt organizations. He later apologized.

Hammond is a proponent of the "prosperity Gospel," which teaches that a life dedicated to Christ will result in spiritual and material riches for its members. He owns homes and property worth millions of dollars.

Pickard said the church was concerned about the potential for misuse of information about donors and members, as well as the broad net cast by the IRS inquiry into Hammond's personal finances.

Amy Rotenberg, another attorney representing Living Word, said the church is fighting the case for all religious organizations, not just itself.

"Living Word's position is that it's an unlawful government intrusion into the church," Rotenberg said. "The impact on all faith communities is quite significant."


Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune


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Voila I know your post are anti-Bachbitch---What's the bottom line?
In your own words!

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What is intriguing aboyt Michelle Bachmann and her affiliation to this church is that ,in addition to you tube videos she has done speaking about this church(entitled "being a "fool" for Christ",) She was endorsed from the pulpit by Pastor Hammond himself, who is being investigated by IRS. BTW, Bachmann is an attorney,but also has a juris magistrae in tax law. Hmm...wonder if she's been advising the good pastor?

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Thank you.

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One wonders if Tinklenberg is even aware that this is going on tonight. It should be a nice present for him when he wakes up in the morning.

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Wouldn't you like to see his face?!

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Bachman will be known, as the greatest fundraiser for her opponent.

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As a person who lives in an area of this country that Governor Palin would undoubtedly consider not "pro-American" enough, I have to register that I am sick of having my love of country questioned simply because of where I live or what my politics are. Representative Bachmann even takes it one step further, equating liberal politics with anti-Americanism. Excuse me? Liberal and conservative are each points of view that inform peoples opinions and worldview. Neither has a better claim on patriotism just as neither of our two main parties can claim to be the party that loves America more than the other. So let me say it loud and clear for all to hear: I am a liberal, Chardonnay sipping, New York Times reading, intellectual who embraces San Francisco values. But more than that: I am an American. Don't you dare question my dedication to my country. Ever.

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I served for conservatives and liberals. And would do it again if able. We are all Americans.

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This Tinklenberg fundraising story should be put up on the main page.

Maybe someone in the MSM will pick it up and send a message to would be Bachmann's out there of the kind of swift retribution they should expect to see.

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Me thinks she shot herself in the tits,

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Actblue over $80,000 now for Tinkleberg.

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This has gone "viral" I guess they say. Elwyn Tinklenberg (sp.?) has raised $84,275!

Here's that handy link again, http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660

I let my eyes roll a bit when somebody above said let's pump him up to 100K but I see that it is not as unrealistic as I thought! Now it's at 84,500!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From Tinkleberger:

Kossacks:

The last few hours have been nothing short of astounding. Since Congresswoman Michele Bachmann appeared on MSNBC"s Hardball earlier tonight, there"s been a deluge of support unlike anything we have seen. We are so grateful to the Daily Kos community and others who"ve sounded the alarm on Bachmann"s extremist, shameful rhetoric and pitched in with whatever they can to help end her tenure in Congress.

Our phones haven"t stopped ringing. Many have called in to say they"re sorry they can only send money and wish they could be here to help. We want you to know what a difference your funds are making and that, thanks in part to your help, we are confident that we will be able to win this race. We are preparing to get out the vote on an unprecedented scale, and with supporters like you we will have the resources we need to get the job done.

I am both hopeful and humbled at the reminder you gave me tonight " that in our country"s darkest times, it is the strength and belief and action of ordinary Americans that ultimately brings about the change we need. From the hardworking folks in Minnesota"s Sixth District to all of you: we are proud to have you on our side.

Thank you,

El Tinklenberg

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This feels like we're in the movie, "It's a Wonderful Life"! We get to stand up and do something in real time! He's at $87,325 and counting!

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Just goes to show the coat-tails of the BIG O!

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Yes, our name-caller is "concerned" that Obama (and we) may be anti-Amerian yet she'll have other reasons for concern by the time the sun rises in Minnesota! By then, early risers in the East may have begun a round of donating! LOL! Sorry to post the numbers out of order, but I see we are at $91,405!