Polls: McCain Gains Steam In Key Battlegrounds
A new set of polls from Strategic Vision (R) has some good news for John McCain, with him taking back leads in Florida and Ohio, and holding on to his lead Georgia. But all his work in Pennsylvania has only managed to make a small dent in Obama's lead:
• Florida: McCain 48%, Obama 46%, within the ±3% margin of error. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 52%-44% lead.
• Georgia: McCain 51%, Obama 45%, with a ±3% margin of error. Two weeks ago, McCain was up 50%-43%.
• Ohio: McCain 48%, Obama 45%, with a ±3% margin of error. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 48%-46% edge.
• Pennsylvania: Obama 50%, McCain 43%, outside of the ±3% margin of error. This is better for McCain than the 54%-40% Obama lead from two weeks ago, but he still hasn't managed t drag Obama to below 50%.
The most recent polls in Florida and Ohio have been a mixed bag, though on balance they've favored Obama. McCain has a small lead in most new Georgia polls, though an Insideradvantage poll from this morning put Obama up by one point. And every poll out there has been giving Obama a significant lead in Pennsylvania.















These @#$$%@ polls are killing me!
October 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The polls are not as all over the place as it seems... The MOE is key when interpreting a poll. If you apply the MOE, the only poll that has changed in a statistically significant manner seems to be FL. Does that mean that Obama has lost ground there? Not necessarily. It depends on how Strategic Vision accounts for voters who have already cast their votes. Not accounting for those voters, or accounting for them in the wrong way could explain the statistically significant difference from two weeks ago to today. [This is also a Republican pollster; it may skew somewhat towards Republicans.]
Again, taking the MOE into consideration, Obama may have essentially held his lead or gained ground. Having said all that, this is just one pollster. Other polls are showing that Obama's lead in these states is growing, or holding strong. FL does seem to be the exception. If there's any real movement for McCain it may be happening in FL. But, it's not even clear that there is movement for him there.
October 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
October 24, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for trying to walk me back...
These @#$$%@ polls are killing me!
October 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too. I'm getting obsessive...I have all the polls bookmarked, and I find myself hopping from one to the other, hoping for good news.
October 25, 2008 4:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Consider the source. Strategic Vision appears a Republican source. Look at fivethirtyeight.com and electoral-vote.com where the polls show Obama ahead.
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October 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word.
They especially kill me when Eric contradicts himself in the space of 3 posts based on miniscule "movement" -
October 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can see it coming out of his ears. Look out! He's gonna blow!!!
October 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I need a rimshot here. . .
October 24, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric:
As always, your headlines need a LOT of work. For the love of G-d, one poll result from one outfit does NOT mean McCain "gains steam".
Please, please, stop this.
October 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric confuses me as well as to his motivations.
October 24, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
No offense intended Eric. I'm relatively new to commenting here but this is one of my favorite sites. But I agree that the headlines on poll results are sometimes over-the-top, almost like they are coming from the McCain-Palin campaign. Could you please focus more on aggregate poll results when typing out the bold print? If people are worried about GOTV then maybe the motivational message needs to be focused on something like "Every vote, every state, the win, and the margin, all matter!"
October 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric is focused on :
a) drawing attention to his posts (perhaps he gets paid by the click?)
b) drawing attention to this site
c) pissing off all the people who react to his silly characterizations
Oh and by the way. I have never seen him once respond to criticism. Not a good trait IMHO.
October 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooooh a Republican firm cooks the polls to show McCain ahead.
So surprised!
October 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rather than assuming "a new set of polls" shows an overall change, I think it's best to put all polls into perspective. In the same morning you have mentioned that Obama is gaining in battlegrounds and so is mcShame.
Uh....
October 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he thinks that this way is a lot more fun.
October 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
He want a horse race? Let him go to the track!
October 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or to CNN!
October 24, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
So according to Sarah Palin, if I'm hearing this right, Bill Ayers is a bad guy and Eric Rudolph is an okay dude.
She was very upset for having to answer the question of what a terrorist is, turning her head and letting out a sigh of disgust. Then she refused to be critical of her base, the same base who thinks murdering abortion doctors is some sort of act of righteous justice, and just danced around the question.
October 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Next he's going to post some other kooky poll.
Hannity's America/Limbaugh's Trailer Daily Tracking Poll
McCain 74
Obama 5
Barr 21
October 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's one mike. Based on a simple phone survey (the two phone conversations I've had this morning), 50% of WI residents are voting for mcShame.
(margin of error is likely astounding!)
October 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
CHECK THIS OUT.
The girl admits to making up the story about the attack...details coming.
http://kdka.com/
October 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lovely. I knew the story would unravel; I just didn't expect it to unravel this quickly.
October 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. So... it's over? :)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/fox-news-vp-if-mccain-wor_b_137522.html
October 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I KNEW that story was just a wee bit too perfect. Thanks for posting this, mike.
October 24, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
too perfect? It was holier than swiss cheese.
(if you want more cheesy analogies, I'll keep watching the local news. They drive me crazy.)
October 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Freaking psychos. They can't deal with losing.
Soon the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be unbearable. Republicans will be cutting themselves and showing signs of stigmata.
October 24, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"They can't deal with losing" Hold on dude. One psycho nut job does not a party make.
October 24, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should know.
October 24, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should know.
October 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if her story were true? You promise that no loud Republican voices would proclaim that this black backwards-B carving mugger was a representative of Obama supporters?
October 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
SV produces junk...better than a Zogby internet I guess
October 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, now. Don't let's pile on here. I mean any aspirant to the MSM ranks has to demonstrate a facility for cherry-picking poll numbers to make a Presidential race look a lot closer than it actually is. Sure, it's not qualitatively different (or any less transparent) than Drudge trumpeting a McCain 'Comeback' about ten days ago, but the guy has to make an effort, f'r cryin' out loud.
I mean, you think he wants to write up poll results for TPM the rest of his life?
October 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Leave the polling analysis to the experts. These weird headlines, in addition to your ridiculous national tracking poll weighting method, make me cringe.
October 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain gains steam while Obama holds double digit lead in key battleground states as he grabs hold of a clingy lead in Georgia. See? it's fun!!!
October 24, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yah, color me flumoxed also, Eric. I saw "steam" and thought, whoa! But there ain't much heat here.
A flip between McCain 48%-45% and Obama 48%-46% - within the margin of error - not very steamy.
October 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
AHHHHHHHH I need a bridge!!!!
October 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think SP's burned that bridge. . .
October 24, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a gut a feeling, these polls are more close to reality than Insider Adv poll showing Obama leading in GA or Quinnipiac poll showing a 10+ Obama lead in OH.
I'll say it again, I think we're in a closer election than some of the polls suggest.
Win VA. Win PA. Win. Simple. Rest is hype. Obama will run close but may not win too many other red states.
I'm avoiding as much undesirable news as I can, but also have a feeling we're getting too giddy in the TPMland and other blogs, which scares the hellauvtame as well.
October 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Don't drink the KoolAid. There's a hard campaign ahead of us. Obama's been outspending McCain by 2-to-1, but he no longer has that level of financial advantage.
Regarding this particular poll, the methodology has not changed from two weeks ago, so the numbers do show significant movement towards McCain. That's nothing to sneeze at.
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October 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. I'm sensing a NH moment all over again. Hope.Hope not. Too much and premature certainity.
October 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Real Clear Politics won't even include the Strategic Vision polls in their state averages.
October 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby who has Obama by 12 says that McCain has stopped his slide after four days of declining numbers. OMG, Obama is going to lose.
October 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
" Georgia: McCain 51%, Obama 45%"
What? That's not possible?!? Obama is up 1 according to the trend line!
October 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you for a change. Obama leading in GA is absolute B.S.
October 24, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Kash, I would agree that Obama will have a difficult time winning here in GA but I don't think it's impossible (I think Nate Silver theorized he needed at least 30% of the non-AA vote). I'm more jazzed up about the possibility of Senator Chambliss getting the boot which I think is more likely.
October 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know about the polls. I'm beginning to think Polls have derailed, especially in the southern states. I don't have any emperical evidence, but I've a feeling McCain supported remains strong but silenced in the south.
I think more and more polls are taking us back to the N.H. moment.
As long as he wins PA and VA we're fine. Lots of other stuff just doesn't fit.
October 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously...do you not understand the concept of MOE?
October 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who is Bob Barr going to take votes from in GA?
October 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're funny. One poll shows him up there and everybody calls it an outlier. Perhaps you forgot your geometry but it takes more than one point to make up a line. But hey, you gotta have your narrative that we're all "in the tank" and divorced from reality, so keep on truckin. We'll get our comeuppance come November 4th, right?
October 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, that 1 pt lead has a MoE of 3.8, so it can be read as anything from a lead of 4.8 for Obama to a lead of 2.8 for McCain. This GA poll has a 5 pt McCain lead with a MoE of 3, which means that it could range from anything between an 8 pt McCain lead to a 2 pt McCain lead. It is entirely compatible with the 1 pt Obama lead reported earlier this morning. Despite your frenzied insistence on this point, neither is an outlier. They are both comfortably on the trend line.
October 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're missing (ignoring) the obvious point. Bush won GA by 12 and 17 pts. Bob Dole won GA against a fellow Southerner for crissakes. Reagan and Bush won GA by 20 pts in 1984 and 1988. The point isn't who's leading, the point is that it's essentially tied. That would have been unthinkable six months ago. There's been a sea change in electoral politics and you can't deny it.
October 24, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Georgia would be amazing. Maybe that long primary fought out in every state was worth it if we can pick up these red states.
October 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, GA would be amazing. That's why I'm going to go with kash79 and SFC on this one and not believe it until the tallys are in on 11/4.
Heck, I'm still finding it difficult to believe that OH and FL are suddenly so blue. These states are never, strictly-speaking, blue. Dems there should not think that this isn't a close race.
October 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I kind of look at it this way: regardless of who leads Georgia (or any other current "Bush-battleground" state), almost all the polls seem to indicate Obama is either close or leading.
I don't think I ever believed Obama would win them all, but the fact that he's within striking distance in Georgia, Ohio, Indiana, NC, Virginia, ND, and Montana--even in who-the-hell-knows-because-you-can't-depend-on-it-avoiding-stolen-votes Florida--this is what means something to me.
Remember, he doesn't have to win them all. He needs to hold Kerry's states and pick up a few. What's important is that McCain is playing serious defense in ALL of them.
October 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look at Florida in this poll and ask yourself; what happened in the last two weeks to cause that radical of a turnaround?
• Florida: McCain 48%, Obama 46%, within the ±3% margin of error. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 52%-44% lead.
October 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please. These Strategic Vision polls are crap.
1)They won't provide any demographics on the web site announcing these results.
2)All 4 states show Palin with the highest net favorability ratings of all 4 candidates.
October 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I look at Florida as dessert--you may get it, you may not. If you do, it will be sweet, but you can't count on it.
The great thing is that McCain is having to work his ass off for states that should've been his for the taking.
But Obama's competitive in all of them.
October 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please. These Strategic Vision polls are crap.
1)They won't provide any demographics on the web site announcing these results.
2)All 4 states show Palin with the highest net favorability ratings of all 4 candidates
October 24, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please. These Strategic Vision polls are crap.
1)They won't provide any demographics on the web site announcing these results.
2)All 4 states show Palin with the highest net favorability ratings of all 4 candidates
October 24, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
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October 24, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where did he gain steam? It just shows alot of these states are going to be very close.
October 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, McCain has a foothold in "battleground" Georgia?
So, how's Wisconsin looking? Remember when that was a battleground? How about Minnesota? Michigan? Colorado? Iowa?
October 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric-
"Gains steam" is a loaded phrase. It implies that McCain had momentum and is building upon it. A single set of slightly outlying polls from a single pollster does not mean that McCain is "gaining steam."
Even if his gains in these polls were reflected by other pollsters, it would represent a shift in momentum, not a "building" of it. Until these results are reflected more broadly, they probably have a lot more to do with the pollsters methodology and sampling than with any shift in the campaign dynamic.
Admittedly that makes for a longer headline, but...
October 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe instead of "key battleground" the term should be "key crumbling ledge."
October 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
look at the favor-ability rating of Sarah Palin in the poll to find out if the pollster could be trusted or not.
in FL, PA,and Ohio she has 49% favorability just as high as Obama....... and her favorability ration is higher then her unfavourability rating......... when was the last time that was true.
This is a moral booster poll for the GOP and this pollster is taking one for the team.
October 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
ERIC, Wrong photo for the story...or is it?
October 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric WHY post these friggin polls?
Yeah they are believable alright
Obama has lower approval ratings than the pig Palin
there samples are correct ....NOT
Eric did I tell you Hillary lost the primary!
October 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
these polls don't upset me. Obama (and therefore the country) is in great shape for a smashing election victory.
but if McCain is gaining ground, we should consider that the radio ads McCain and the RNC have put into heavy rotation are having their intended effect. something to pay attention to, I think.
October 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
These are the polls that show Sarah Palin has the highest favorability rating of any of the 4 candidates.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
October 24, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, Eric/TPM:
It is irresponsible - just plain, old irresponsible to post as a "trend" ("steam" is a "trend" word)ONE poll result. And don't you find it suspect, Eric, that McCain is doing so much better in not one state - but 3??? Doesn't that make you stop and think that perhaps there are some methodological questions that can be asked????
Since this polling outfit doesn't post crosstabs, there is absolutely no way to evaluate its credibility. For example, Palin's favs/unfavs are out-of-line from MOST other polls. Why? Was there an oversampling of white, evangelical Christians?? (like another recent poll showing a "close" race). Who knows, since we don't have that info.
Every posting doesn't have to be 538, but geez, there are just some basic, quantitative literacy guidelines that should be used when reporting results.
BTW: Just common sense: Why would there have been a drastic turn-around in numbers?? LEt's think about this, Eric. What changed?? Palin's policy speech on special needs children?? McCain's sitdown with Brian Williams?? Maybe it was Powell's endorsement that sent equal amounts of people scurrying to Obama and from Obama??
All I ask is that people think before reporting results.
Why does this infuriate me on this particular day??
Josh Marshall rightly admonishes those news outlets who repeated (not reported)the assault/hoax Pittsburgh story.
The "steam" headline is the same sort of mindless, brainless - and ultimately cynical crap (can't think of a better word).
We MUST be better than this. This election/country/historical moment deserves better than this shit...
Just, please: stop it.
October 24, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Strategic Vision usually skews at least a couple of points republican. They are pretty reliable if you figure that in. I mean, we had so many polls yesterday in PA showing a 10 point Obama lead, and they have it at 7 points. Make the same adjustment to FL and OH and you have Obama tied in OH and ahead by 1 in FL.
Kash79, forget an "NH moment"--those polls were taken in the immediate aftermath of the Iowa caucuses, when Obama was riding an artificial high, and the polls didn't have time to adjust for the bounce subsiding. All the other primary polls were largely close to the end result.
October 24, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The issue I have with polls "closing the gap" is it gives McCain supporters hope. With Obama up by 10+ across the nation and in many "swing states" kills any hope for McCain and his supporters.
This is important because any polls showing positive McCain movement will encourage them. With Obama's lead continuing to grow it is a great discouragement and would lead, in my opinion, to less voters coming out to support McCain.
If you go to any sporting event in which "your team" is getting crushed, most of that teams fans leave before the game is ended. However, if their is a glimmer of hope, many fans will stay. Same with the polling showing any kind of "positive" trend for McCain.
On the other hand, Obama supporters seem electrified to go vote regardless of how much he is up on McCain. There is a real passion for people to get out and vote for Obama.
I don't know anything about "Strategic Vision", but it seems with this poll and the recent AP poll, the driver is to encourage McCain supporters. It almost seems like it is fixed, because as most polls show, the trendline is going more and more positive for Obama.
If McCain's supporters stay home that means more Democratic House and Senate members.
October 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to retire this as it wasn't quitre true when first posted, and is even less true now.
McLame is OUT of steam.
October 25, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink