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Poll: Obama Takes Nine-Point Lead over McCain

New national numbers from Fox News: Obama 49%, McCain 40%, among likely voters.

The poll finds, as several others have, that Obama now holds an edge on whose tax plan is preferred, 49%-37%.

It also finds that Obama leads by four points, 45%-41%, when respondents are "who they would go to for advice if they had to make the toughest decision of their life."

Still another key number:

McCain has a 47 percent -- 41 percent edge among people who say terrorism is extremely important.

That's uncomfortably close for McCain, who has spent months attacking Obama as a coddler of terrorists, and the spread is dwarfed by Obama's 22-point edge on the economy.


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This just in, keep pulling polls out of your ass.

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Well he is right that there is a poll that says its 44-43 among "likely" voters. Among registered voters its 47-37.

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Not only that, in the transition from registered to likely, Hispanic drops from 14 to 8 percent in the poll. It has some very shady calculations in it to drop over half the Hispanics from the list.

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To clarify the "over half" part, Hispanic were 14% of 1100 (=~154) to 8% of 800 (=~64).

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I know, that little nugget is buried in there, but its a good one!

I think we are pretty confident in those "RV" numbers this year...

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The other two samples in the AP poll, adults and registered voters, aren't too far off everybody else, but AP had to work really hard to define "likely voters" in such a way as to bring the election close, with a margin of error of 7% just to cover their ass. Even after all the cherry picking Obama is still ahead. I notice that the headline and story focus on the cherry picked results, and Greg ran with the focus of the story.

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Looking at the regional breakdown, over a 1/3 interviewed are from the south...McCain's strongest region.
REGION:
Total Respondents Likely Voters
Northeast 19 21
Midwest 22 23
South 36 34
West 23 21
Based on: N=1,101 N=800

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... keep pulling polls out of your ass.

He'll need a chain winch.  It's sooo awfully tight.

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The new AP-GfK head-to-head result is a departure from some, but not all, recent national polls.
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In this case, there is a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points; that means Obama could be ahead by as many as 8 points or down by as many as 6.

Horse shoes and hand grenades?

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Make up among likely voters:

34% Dem
28% Rep
27% Indy
12% None
1% Don't know

40% Indy seems more than a bit high.

John

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I can imagine how Nov. 4, late in the evening, will look like over here. Most people celebrating Obama's win, but SFCWallace posting messages about AP's McCain +1 exit polls .
"Dude, your guy just conceded!"
"No, no, no, look at AP!"

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Internals say 45% define themselves as "born again/evangelical" - kinda skewed, no?

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Not according to this survey (not sure how accurate it is...but the number matches).
http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdate&BarnaUpdateID=204

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Well sarg, if religion is your argument this election:

I've concluded from my readings that McCain thinks religion (like other things) is a joke and detests pandering to the religious right, whereas Obama, like Bush, seems to be a man of devotion.

I'd be happy to provide references but don't have time at moment

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I was just responding to the 45% claim

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That AP Poll has Obama Leading 48-38 among RVs dropping to 44-43 among Likely. How Likely is that?

Can anyone smell Ron Fournier et al.?

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Uh oh...there's another "outlier"...
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=309546869309178

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Beat me to it :-)

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I have grown to love 538 over the last couple of weeks. . .

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Nate does a great job (as usual) debunking the AP (and others) Likely Voter models over at 538. Definitely worth the read:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/some-likely-voter-models-are-suspect.html

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"McCain has a 47 percent -- 41 percent edge among people who say terrorism is extremely important."

Of course terrorism is important to the GOP.  How could they hold in in fear without it?

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FAUX Nooze is in the tank!
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Yep. They are definitely pro Obama.

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It's called an outlier. Did you bother to dig deep into that one, Wallace? Poor soul.

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They're all "outliers" if they don't say what you like.

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no no this is what an outlier is:

An outlier is an observation that lies outside the overall pattern of a distribution (Moore and McCabe 1999). Usually, the presence of an outlier indicates some sort of problem. This can be a case which does not fit the model under study, or an error in measurement.

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Give SFC Wallace a break. He needs some good news right now. So let him hug this poll tight, even Republicans need hope!

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true, anyone who gets marching orders from matt drudge does deserve a hug

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Actually, I Rush mentioned it on my way back to work...I looked it up as quick as I could.

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Though I noticed a big swing in the LV numbers. Dems went from 40 to 34 (-6) and Republicans dropped from 29 to 28 (-1). So that's 5 points right there. Also, it never says that the poll is of REGISTERED voters, it just says adults and likely voters.

So, while you have every right to tout this poll, I would place any bets on it based on the questions about its methodology and the swing in its likely voter model.

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Listening to Rush may harm your critical thinking skills.

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anybody who gets marching orders from Matt Drudge needs ECT.

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Here's some good news for SFC Wallace.

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The sample size is 800 for "likely voters" which leaves a margin of error of ~7%. That number is garbage.

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Actually, if they all say something you don't like, they're not outliers.

When all the polls say things you don't like, and one says something very different that you do like, that's an outlier.

(For example, if seven polls showed Obama losing West Virginia by doublt digits, and one polls showed Obama and McCain tied in West Virginia, it would be an outlier, whether you're an excited Democrat or a dismayed Republican.)

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Some are outliers.  Others are out-and-out liars.

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LOLOLOLOL!!!!

O very good, jzap.

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Nice jzap. lol

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Nicely done.

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Thanks, guys.

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Rock on, jzap!


John

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What the hell kind of question is that "toughest decision of your life" question?

Uh, I wouldn't go to either of those two guys because, duh, I don't know them.

This question is all about what's wrong with American politics--driven by likability and relatability. I'm glad it's working in our favor, but it still strikes me as a ludicrous question. Is there much tradition of this question in polls? Since it's Faux News, I'd love to blame it on their simple-mindedness.

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I somehow missed that - I can't believe they asked that. I have no idea what that means -

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I don't want to jinx anything, but I believe the Republicans are in for an epic drubbing in November.

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Maybe. But before you (or any of us) get too cocky, read this:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote

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... Republicans are in for an epic drubbing...

Count on it.

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The AP-GfK survey included interviews with a large sample of adults including 800 deemed likely to vote. Among all 1,101 adults interviewed, the survey showed Obama ahead 47 percent to 37 percent. He was up by five points among registered voters.

How can he lead by 10 points in a survey, when the headline says they're tied?

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You have the total group: 47-37
Weighted sample (registered)): Obama up 5
Weighted sample (Likely):44-43

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Cm'on guys be nice to Wallace. TPM trolls are an endangered species these days ever since the great "Gotalife/Fogu Kill-off" of Sept 08.

If we let SFC disappear, then we'll all have to travel to another site for unintentional comedy.

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why do you hate america?

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I'd really love to hear the answer to that, too.

America is making it very clear that it has rejected the conservative movement, especially the far right - which is one reason Palin is dragging McLame down.

So what's up with this small minority that hates the rest of us so much it just insists we're anti-American, palling around with terrorists, and all the rest of it, including a VP who thinks the Executive is in charge of the Legislative; not to mention the constant unrelenting voter suppression?

Why do you have America so much, Wallace?

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why do you hate America so much -


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I don't, I love America, which is why I'm fighting to keep the most left-wing nominee ever (even left of McGovern who opposes Obama's Card Check legislation) out of the White House by all legal and ethical means. I'm distributing signs and literature, knocking on doors and making phone calls. Writing letters to the editor and talking to co-workers. I'm fighting harder for McCain than I did for Bush, even though I prefer Bush's politics, that's how bad an Obama administration would be. I'm doing my best to prevent the damage Obama would cause to America if he were to ever be elected.

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Please be here on election night. I want to read your sad depressed posts.

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As opposed to the damage done by the Bush Administration, you mean?

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I hate to say it (well, maybe I don't), but this is why McCain is losing. Not even his own supporters believe in him. The only thing they're doing is running against Obama. That is not a good strategy, especially when there are serious issues at stake. I would have thought you would have learned that from watching the Dems in 2004.

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Very good point. The crap McCain is putting out there works on the fringe (see SFCWallace), but not on the general populace.

Nobody knows what McCain stands for.

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Nobody knows what McCain stands for.

M - mad
c - cranky
C - coward
a - asshole
i - idiot
n - nattering nabob of negativism

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I understand that...but just saying it doesn't make me like McCain anymore. He was my last choice in the primary...hell, I'd prefer Ron Paul, but I'm a realist so I'm left with McCain. Y'all act like 2000 and 2004 are the only elections you've seen in your life time. I survived 92 and 96...if need be I'll survive a loss this time...not sure that can be said of all of you...

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Do you really mean to say that the policies of Bush during his two terms in office have not been destructive to this country - in terms of our international prestige, our economy, which is struggling under the weight of two wars, our opting out of internaltional treaties on reduction of nuclear weaponry and technology, on global warming ? Do you really believe that the politization of the regulatory functions of government, the endorsement of torture when its efficacy has been questioned by a considerable percentage of the military and intelligence community, the ruthless pursuit of the right of the executive to secretly spy on its own citizens have been signs of success ? What the hell are you thinking about ???

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I always enjoy how every Democratic nominee automatically becomes the "most-liberal" person EVER. What do you base that on? His call for personal responsbility? His vote for the recent FISA bill? His pragmatic approach to problem-solving? His humble approach to foreign policy? Do you believe those are leftist positions? You must not read many of the posts around here if you think that progressives and liberals feel that he is the true-left of the party.

To imply that he is the liberaliest liberal ever brings to mind a what a conservative co-worker of mine said to me years ago about John McCain: "Only a liberal would think that John McCain is conservative."

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Actually he was tagged by the National Journal well before he was the nominee...Hillary was the front runner and she was 16th at the time (probably why she lost...not left enough). http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/?loc=interstitialskip

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It's just shocking that the National Journal would classify him that way.

National Journal relies largely on the judgment of its editors and reporters. They choose votes that they believe show ideological distinctions (they chose to include 99 of the 442 Senate votes last year) and they decide which side in the vote is liberal and which is conservative. Then they compute how often senators and House members vote each way.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002900172

Sounds a little subjective, don't you think?

And, I'll say for the record, I don't think there's anything wrong with being labelled "liberal" or "progressive"....I simply think the idea of Obama being touted as the "most liberal" member of the Senate is just plain absurd.

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People shouldn't get to worried about this one:

VA-Pres
Oct 22 Mason-Dixon: Obama (D) 47%, McCain (R) 45%

Keep in mind the M-D was the outlier on the last cycle:

VA-Pres
Oct 2 Mason-Dixon: McCain (R) 48%, Obama (D) 45%

John

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Mason Dixon is not to be trusted on any poll, them and ARG have been completely trash.

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SFCWallace:

Just chill out. You cannot change the game, so go with the flow. In the end, after Obama hopefully wins, your life will get so much better.

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I think that's the ultimate fear they have. Obama wins, things turn around, he gets reelected, and is held up as this century's FDR.

Many people might never see another Republican president in their lifetimes.

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If only it turns out that way -

O my god, the last 8 years will almost have been worth it! That's my dearest hope - and he's got what it takes.

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No, Tena, nothing will make the last 8 years worth it.

I'm not trying to be a downer, but really, the last 8 years were just that bad (in part because they were piled onto 12 years from the Reagan machine with a brief Clinton respite that--lodged in the midst of that sandwich--couldn't possibly do all of the good we wanted).

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lol...of all my fears, I must admit that isn't one I'm worried about.

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Did you happen to notice this? 39% to 23% ratio of conservatives to liberals in this poll. Yeah...that's realistic.

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Sorry, that was supposed to be a reply to SFC Wallace up above.

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Is it wrong I have an Obama poster in my office so everyone passing by sees it or? I'm a supervisor if that makes any bit of difference.

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Politics and offices can be tricky. I have my Obama sticker and old press pass on my office bulletin board and people see it all the time. No one seems to care (the vast majority of my colleagues are fellow Obama supporters).

There is one crazy lady in sales who thinks Obama is a Muslim and would never vote for him. But we mostly just ignore her periodic rants.

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I don't know. I'm a little freakish about politics in the office just because in my last job I found that I was the ONLY progressive in a VERY large department and it made me incredibly uncomfortable the way everyone assumed I shared their conservative (and evangelical, I might add) viewpoints.

I guess it depends on the situation....type of job, the kind of relationship you have with your subordinates, etc.

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Is it wrong I have an Obama poster in my office so everyone passing by sees it or? I'm a supervisor if that makes any bit of difference.

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Only if you have to ask twice. ;-D

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Democrat Barack Obama has expanded his national lead over Republican John McCain in the presidential race to 10 points, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49J0LF20081022

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Something else interesting about that AP poll:

McCain's strong showing is partly attributable to his strong debate performance; Thursday was his best night of the survey. Obama's best night was Sunday, hours after the Powell announcement, and the full impact of that endorsement may not have been captured in any surveys yet. Future polling could show whether either of those was merely a support "bounce" or something more lasting.

In other words, what we have is a five-day tracker where McCain had a couple of good days late last week, like he did in many of the other polls. Also, the sample size for likely voters was 800, meaning that 160 were interviewed each night. That kind of polling is subject to Diageo-magnitude volatility.

I'd guess that the O+5 RV figure, which is more likely to reflect the actual electorate this year, is close to right. It would probably be O+6 or 7 if the interviewing had continued through last night.

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Hotel Reservations - Check
Flasks filled - Check
Gas tank filled - Check

The opportunity to see Obama win the Presidency at Grant Park - PRICELESS!

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See you there!

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Most ridiculous poll fact out there - outside of the 2 polls showing Obama only ahead by 2 or less. IBD/TIPP has shown the race a bit closer than other trackers. They just showed Obama going from a 6pt lead yesterday to a 3.7 lead today. Part of the tightening is because McCain is now tied with Obama in the suburbs - a week ago, he was trailing by 20!

Now, that stat is wacky enough in itself. But it's not the most ridiculous. The wackiest part of their poll comes when you look at the age demo breakdowns. Obama leads among voters aged 25-44 by 3, 47-44. Among those aged 45-64 he leads by 12, 48-36. With those over 60, he trails McCain by 6, 46-60. You're probably asking, if Obama is doing that well with these age demos, how can it be so tight?

Well, maybe that's because they have McCain leading Obama among the 18-24-year old demographic by 10, 53-43.

53-43 lead for McCain. Among the youth voter demo.

Yeah....right.

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It also depends on how the polling is done. If it's
by phone, is it to a cell number ? And how many people actually answer their cells all the time ?
Land line ? Same question. I usually let it roll over to phone mail if I don't recognize the number
or it says unknown number. And what if the cell is turned off and it rolls over to phone mail.

Or is it in person ? Then where is it being done.

All of this can bias a poll or survey.


C

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It also depends on how the polling is done. If it's
by phone, is it to a cell number ? And how many people actually answer their cells all the time ?
Land line ? Same question. I usually let it roll over to phone mail if I don't recognize the number
or it says unknown number. And what if the cell is turned off and it rolls over to phone mail.

Or is it in person ? Then where is it being done.

All of this can bias a poll or survey.


C

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It also depends on how the polling is done. If it's
by phone, is it to a cell number ? And how many people actually answer their cells all the time ?
Land line ? Same question. I usually let it roll over to phone mail if I don't recognize the number
or it says unknown number. And what if the cell is turned off and it rolls over to phone mail.

Or is it in person ? Then where is it being done.

All of this can bias a poll or survey.


C

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It also depends on how the polling is done. If it's
by phone, is it to a cell number ? And how many people actually answer their cells all the time ?
Land line ? Same question. I usually let it roll over to phone mail if I don't recognize the number
or it says unknown number. And what if the cell is turned off and it rolls over to phone mail.

Or is it in person ? Then where is it being done.

All of this can bias a poll or survey.


C

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Mike from Arlington- If you work for the federal government, this is not allowed (Hatch Act). For private firms, I guess it is a matter of company policy.

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9 of the 14 polls used in the RCP average have Obama with over 50% of the vote. Only four have McCain over 45 - two at 45 one at 47. In 7 of the polls, Obama's 44 percent in the AP poll actually beats McCain. In 10 he ties or beats McCain.

Since 5/02, McCain has been ahead or tied in the poll of polls for exactly 10 days.

So, what we basically know is that in the Republicans fondest wish Obama is up by 1 with 8% undecided in a poll that downplays Obama's initial result by 3% and ups McCain's by 6%.

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Polls, polls and more polls...

IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Ten

the IBD/TIPP Poll shows a sudden tightening of Obama's lead to 3.7 from 6.0. McCain has picked up 3 points in the West and with independents, married women and those with some college.

Obama 45.7
McCain 42.0

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=309546869309178

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In the IBD/TIPP poll, they have McCain ahead of Obama among 18-24 year olds by 10pts, 53-43. There is absolutely no way that is correct. In addition, they have McCain and Obama drawing about the same amount of support from their party faithful (87 and 84, respectively...Obama actually does a little bit better) and Obama ahead with indies by +4. But it's a 4pt race overall? What the heck is their party ID breakdown? They must have the GOP ahead.

There is also NO way Obama is losing suburban voters by 20 to McCain. No way.

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Anyone heard anything about this one? Could be nothing. But I'm one of those Dems that will be freaking until it's all done on 11/5.

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/10/22/report-obama-internal-poll-shows-two-point-race-in-pennsylvania/

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On the one hand, I'm happy to see tightened polls because it will keep Obama supporters from becoming complacent and easing up on campaign efforts.

On the other hand, if ever an election was pre-scripted to steal, it's this one. The media has been going on ad nauseum about the "Bradley Effect" and I've been reading about electronic voting machines changing Obama/Biden votes to McCain/Palin votes right before voters' eyes.

I just don't want to be here election night listening to the pundits spouting "well, all those white folks just said they were ready for an African American in the White House. Guess they just lied."

Paranoid? I certainly hope so. Now let me remove my tinfoil hat before it ruins my hair...

PEACE

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The one good thing is all of the many ways Obama has to win vs. McCain right now (getting to 270). He can still lose PA and win by carrying VA, NV and CO along with IA and all of Kerry's other states.

But...like Tin Cup. "Hey, I played 18-holes of golf with a 7-iron. Can you?" "Shoot...I never even thought to try."

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LOok at that latest AP poll. If you follow the links to get to the company doing the polling and read it in detail it shows more "likely voters" than actual "total respondents."

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

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