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Poll: Obama Now Leading McCain In Red Swing States

Here's a stunning finding buried in the new Pew poll: Barack Obama is now narrowly leading John McCain among voters in the 10 battleground states that voted for George W. Bush in 2004.

The poll finds that among those voters, Obama is now up 47%-43%, which is within the margin of error, but still noteworthy. In the past few weeks Obama has steadily gained, and now passed, McCain among these voters.

A week ago, according to the poll's internals, McCain led among these red battleground state voters by seven points, 49%-42%. Two weeks ago McCain led among them by 10 points, 51%-41%.

No wonder McCain is transferring ad spending out of the blue states and into red ones and spending much of his final campaign time in the Bush states. He's trying to staunch the red bleeding.

Separately, the poll also finds that Obama is leading McCain by 16 points (52%-36%) among registered voters overall, and by 19 points (53%-34%) among the 15% of respondents who say they've already voted.


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THIS

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IS

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EXCELLENT

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NEWS

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FOR

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ZOGBY!!!

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FOR

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AMERICA!!!

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MATTDRUDGESEANHANITYANACOULTERTHEFIRSTDUDEREALVIRGINIAJOETHEBLUMBERTRACYTODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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IS RIGHT WHERE MCCAIN WANTS HIM!

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MCMENTUM!!!!

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OBAMA CLINGING...

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Don't want to be a dampner, but the Pew numbers seem too good to be true. Anyways, focus on the state polls. Forget nationals.

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The Pew numbers IMO do 2 things, 1 can be bad and 1 can be good.
The bad part is it hurting turnout for Obama, and Obama has been fighting that idea for a long time.
The good part is it help fuel the fire in the fight within the GOP. There will be more finger pointing if polls keep showing they are not making any ground.

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Uh...what did u just say?...lol

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Very good news for Obama can make people feel they don't need to vote because it will be a land slide.
Very good news for Obama can also make Republicans blame each other for why they are losing, thus they end up fighting more and saying stupid things like....
McCain adviser calls Palin "a whack job"

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Very good news for Obama can make people feel they don't need to vote because it will be a land slide.

For some people, it can work the other way.  It depends on whether they're voting because they have to or because they want to.  I.e., voting out of hope or fear.

A lot of people like to run with a winner.  Being stuck with a loser (McSlime) can be very demoralizing and make you more likely to stay home on election day.

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Word.

Nobody is complacent about this election. Nobody. Voter registration in Michigan, for example, is at 98% of those eligible to vote.


Registering doesn't always mean voting - but this time, I think it does.

I think these models people are using from past elections are useless in this one. I really do.

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I agree. I know that's how I felt in 1992.

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Yeah - 1992; and how I felt in '06.


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I was annoyed in 2006. Of course I was also excited to vote for Lamont, and Murphy, but as I was handing over my ballot to the poll worker, said poll worker was gabbing with a friend. Both were elderly males, and the conversation went something like this (they had just shaken hands): "Whoops! Maybe we shouldn't have done that. People might think we're gay or something! (It was bizarre)" Snicker snicker snort. "Whoa! We wouldn't people thinking we're too close or nothing" Snicker snicker snort. All I could think was "Jesus, just grow the heck up already, would you?" (They were both old enough to be my grandfathers)

Weird. All the poll workers at the school that I vote at appear to be in their mid-nineties.

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At least you voted in a school. They have us voting in churches all over Dallas and it offends the fuck out of me to vote in a church.

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Uh...what did u just say?...lol

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It's good as long as it reinforces the narrative Obama is winning big (esp when McScum is trying to claim it's tightening). I don't think it makes his supporters complacent but it can discourage McScum supporters.

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I am not a fan of polls, but it comes down to accuracy the Pew Poll is the most reliable. Its safe to say if the early vote numbers continue to hold Obama will have a good night on Nov 4.

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Yup. Pew has one of the best reputations out there. And if they're right this time - or even close - there's going to be some major surprises with red states turning blue on election night.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

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Wait, he's up 47%-43% in "10-swing states"?

We don't get a state-by-state breakdown?

So, this is basically a regional poll? Which is probably even less relevant than a national poll.

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Here's a breakdown of the swing states:

http://www.politico.com/convention/swingstate.html

Obama's leading in every single one.

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Yeah. I know he's up based on other state polls, I was just questioning Pew's policy of lumping them all together.

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NPR does this as well in their battleground state poll. I agree with you. If they are not going to share the info about how each state broke down, that composite average amounts to a rather useless datum.

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Theoretically, he could be up huge in one and trailing in the 9 others. We know that's not the case based on other polls, but this Pew number by itself doesn't really tell us much.

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This battleground stuff is just a piece carved out from their 1500-respondent national poll.  Here are the results for the entire poll:

        October 16-19   23-26
                Ob Mc   Ob Mc
Reg voters      52 38   52 36
Likely voters   53 39   53 38

By lumping battleground states together, they keep the sample size high enough to have some meaning.  If they were to break out each state, the sample size would be very low and the MoE uselessly high.

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Battleground analysis*
Republican states -- -- O 47 - Mc 43
Democratic states -- -- O 57 - Mc 31
Battleground states -- O 53 - Mc 35

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*Battleground states are CO, FL, IN, IA, MI, MN, MO, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, PA, VA, and WI.

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The 10 RED Battleground states are CO, FL, IN, IA, MO, NV, NM, NC, OH, and VA

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The 10 RED Battleground states are CO, FL, IN, IA, MO, NV, NM, NC, OH, and VA - so that is the universe the write-up addresses.

Also note, that the linked survey says that overall if ALL the red states were combined, Obama is close to being in within a statistical tie with McCain.

Obama runs nearly even with McCain in the so-called red states, all of which George W. Bush won in 2004.

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From the PDF:

        October 16-19   23-26
                Ob Mc   Ob Mc
Rep BG states   42 49   47 43
Dem BG states   61 30   57 31
All BG states   52 37   53 35
Battleground states are CO, FL,
    IN, IA, MI, MN, MO, NV, NH,
    NM, NC, OH, PA, VA, and WI.
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I have officially entered rapid-cycling mood swing freakout time. sigh......next Tuesday, please HURRY!!!!

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O.K. The local police just called me because my entire purse was found in the middle of the main street this morning. I think I had left it on the top of my car roof and drove into town. My mind is going fast.

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Chillin in NYC. No swings. We're in. Fear not.

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What?!?! Redistributing your money to Main St. instead of Wall St.?!?!

Socialist!!!!

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Oh...I'm right there too! It's rollercoaster time - I cycle between convinced a landslide is imminent and being equally convinced that the GOP will find a way to steal it (again).

And even when I'm in landslide mode, that can suddenly trigger a fear (irrational, I hope) that the reports of a potential landslide will depress the Democratic turnout!

I had problems even opening this thread...is this good news or bad news? LOL

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It's raining today. Is that good or bad for Obama? The World Series was postponed until tonight, or maybe tomorrow night (given the craptacular weather the Northeast is experiencing right now). Will that make people more or less likely to vote for Obama? My dog tried to eat a dead squirrel this morning. What does that mean, exactly, for the election? My Obama button fell off my coat yesterday, and landed face side up. Omen?

Needless to say, my productivity has been steadily declining the closer we get to Nov. 4.

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My Obama button fell off my fleece vest over the weekend, and ended up in the pocket, all by itself, safe and sound. Strange, but wonderful.

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I believe you are suffering from acute election anxiety, something affecting 125% of the people visiting this web site. The only known cure is WINNING!

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The only cure for that is to get offline but the cure is often worse than the disease.

;)

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I need my peeps. None of my close friends are political junkies like me.

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Exactly. It's a Hobson's Choice.

;)

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I'm tired of talking about the election with my husband, especially since we agree on everything about it. But I still need to spend two-thirds of my day reading about it on TPM.

My ulcer is ready for this election to be over.

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Two constants so far -
(1) all polls for swinging to Obama...
(2) all vote flipping swinging for McCain.

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OK, Palin is upgraded.

McCain adviser calls Palin "a whack job"

In today's Playbook, Mike Allen reported the following:

***In convo with Playbook, a top McCain adviser one-ups the priceless "diva" description, calling her "a whack job."

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Ah, the Blame Game begins.

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I wouldn't be surprised if this was coming from Huckadoodle or Mittens supporters in McCain's campaign. They're already looking to 2012, and hoping to cut Palin off at the knees.

Mwahahahaha. The long knives come out.

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Didn't Lincoln Chaffee call her something similar shortly after she was nominated?

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I misremembered. He called her a "cocky wacko".

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If you have not already read them, you need to check out the arguments for Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin for RNC chair. They are both hilarious and brilliantly illustrative of the hole that the conservative movement has dug itself in this country.

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Of course, once you finish reading those, you need to read Frum's take on Rush Limbaugh's "blueprint" for a conservative turnaround. All I can say is that Limbaugh has a much larger megaphone than Frum, and that suits me just fine in this case.

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I just now read those. LOL, thanks. Yes, for the reason you mentioned, I kept chuckling.

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We all know she is a whack job, although it is rather nice to have that affirmed.

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By a McCain guy, that is.

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I'm not sure your analysis of the state breakdown is right, though it's certainly ambiguous. I read that as noting three categories for all states: R, D and Battleground. The 10 battleground states are the ones listed in the footnote, and the remaining 40 states would fall into the R or D camps. Maybe someone should confirm with Pew?

This could be wrong, and it certainly seems implausible. I like our chances, but this figure (winning 47-43 in a batch of states including TX, KS, AL and SC) would seem to augur 1932 or 1964.

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My impression, reading the poll, is that the red state reference relates to those states within the 10 listed in the footnote that voted Bush in 2004.


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There are 15 battleground states listed.  Presumably, the 10 "red" ones went for Bush in 2004, and the five others the other way.

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15? hm. you're right. not sure where I got that number. thanks

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53-34 among those who have voted leaves 13% either voting for 3rd party candidates, confused about who they voted for, refusing to state, or voting down ticket, but not for president. Speculating that 3rd party and non-president voters account for 2-3% at the most, that leaves at least 10% unwilling (or perhaps confused) about who they voted for. Given the hostility to the polling firms found in right wing circles, I'd say it's a safe bet many of these are McCain voters, so the likelyhood that Obama is actually 19% ahead in early voting is practically nil, especially when considering Pew's overall numbers give Obama a much larger spread than anyone else's. Still, even if Obama is only ahead by 6 or 7 points in the early voting, that's good news.

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53-34 among those who have voted leaves 13% either voting for 3rd party candidates, confused about who they voted for, refusing to state, or voting down ticket, but not for president. Speculating that 3rd party and non-president voters account for 2-3% at the most, that leaves at least 10% unwilling (or perhaps confused) about who they voted for. Given the hostility to the polling firms found in right wing circles, I'd say it's a safe bet many of these are McCain voters, so the likelyhood that Obama is actually 19% ahead in early voting is practically nil, especially when considering Pew's overall numbers give Obama a much larger spread than anyone else's. Still, even if Obama is only ahead by 6 or 7 points in the early voting, that's good news.

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Harsh! But a very good observation.

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Um, I know that complacency is a real issue, but I still remember how excited I was to vote for Bill Clinton in 92, even though the polls showed he was very likely to win. I wanted to vote for this new kind of Democrat. To be involved in the whole experience.

I got to my polling station, and there was a long line, and it was raining, but no one left. Everyone was excited.

There might be complacency, but I imagine there's some real excitement out there, too.

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HIgh voter turnout and long lines at polling places are more likely to deter Republicans this year than Democrats.

Who wants to wait in line an hour to vote for a loser?

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Who wants to wait in line an hour to vote for a loser?

See below :-)

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The blogger at Thatโ€™s Me On The Left wrote this beautiful poem about Oilbama, who voted for the Bush Cheney Energy Bill.

I will vote Obama
I will vote for a man I know nothing about.
I will vote because it is time for a black man in the White House I will vote for a man I really havenโ€™t researched, and I really donโ€™t want to know anything bad about Because I will feel noble and good that I voted for a black man or a man who definitely is NOT George Bush.
I will vote for a man whose mother left America on purpose and stated the Americans around her in Indonesia were โ€œnot her peopleโ€
I will vote for a man whose father and stepfather were not Americans or Christians even though I felt uncomfortable about that Romney fellow and his Mormonism.
I will vote for a man whose father figure mentor in Hawaii was a communist and hated America and โ€œwhite oppressionโ€
I will vote for a community organizer, even though I donโ€™t know what that is Saul Alinksy is the creator of the community organizer concept
I will not Google Saul Alinsky
I will not Google ACORN
I will vote for a man who ran unopposed for his Illinois State Senate Seat
I will not Google how that happened to occur
I will vote for a man who allies himself with an unrepentant radical terrorist
But he is an โ€œeducation reformerโ€ now!
I will not Google Bill Ayers enough to find out what he wants to reform public education into
although my children go to public schools
I will vote for a man who listened to Reverend Jeremiah Wright for 20 years
I certainly will NOT Google Black Liberation theology, white oppression, and Marxism in the same search!
I will feel good about myself after I vote Obama
who is not George Bush
I will feel good that America voted for Obama
I will await the praise from the worldโ€™s opinion of us on our wise choiceโ€ฆ

I will be surprised when they still hate us
I will be surprised when I start to hate who I voted for.

I will vote โ€œanybody but Obamaโ€ in 2012

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Hey, congratulations moron! At least you managed to attribute the source of your bullshit rather than fraudulently claiming it as your own drivel.

Baby steps, loser.

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Do you have someone to keep watch over you next Tuesday night? Just to make sure, you know, you don't hurt yourself or others?

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Your intro is old and stale, why don't you start using "Barack, the bush/cheney energy bill voter"?

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sour grapes much?

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Ah, how remarkable. Such lyricism and miter. Here's one that I wrote for Obama. I call it simply:

Obama

A cold winter breeze
dark morning embers shudder
huddled and waiting
like blooms that sleep in the dirt
waiting for the sun
to dance in the flame


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On second thought, I think I want to name my haiku Hope, and dedicate it to Obama. Yes, I like it better, and is actually what I had in mind. So here goes:


Hope

A cold winter breeze
dark morning embers shudder
huddled and waiting
like blooms that sleep in the dirt
waiting for the sun
to dance in the flame

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Anyone who doesn't know anything about Obama at this point is a moron who hasn't been paying attention.

Obama has been campaigning for almost 2 years and if you don't know him it's because you don't want to; or perhaps you are one of those white people who just don't think you can really know an African American.

Hell if I know what the problem is, but anyone who doesn't Barack Obama by now is fucked up.

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Just remember that Barack is bi-racial. He's just as white as he is black. People forget that.

(Kay Bailey will be here (EP) tomorrow to endorse Bush Buddy Dee Margo (wife Adair is Laura Bush's best friend?) for the Texas legislature.)

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Ooh, poetry corner on TPM! I wanna play too!

There once was a guy named McCain
Who flew out here on his wife's plane.
But he had awful numbers
Thanks to talk of plumbers
And flushed his chances down the drain.

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lol... Bravo. Very nice.

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McLandslide.


John

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Stanch. Not staunch. :)

Yeah, I'm THAT guy.

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"Staunch" is an accepted variant spelling of "stanch."

And vice versa, interestingly enough, according to the American Heritage Dictionary. See the usage note here, as well as the definition here.

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Keep in mind that ALL of the polls exclude a fairly significant % of the pop. People who do not have land based phone lines and have cell phones only. These represent anywhere from 2-3% (conservaitve estimate) to more likely 4% of the voting public. The demographics list them in the under 29 years old range which votes overwhelmingly for Obama. So have heart when you see Obama's numbers on all these polls...just add a few more % points and you have a more acurate #.

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Pew polling now includes cell phones. So that may account for the better Obama numbers.

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Thank you for this info on Pew, which is new to me.

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This is about the 3d or 4th poll which shows Obama creaming McCain in early voting.

Don't believe the MSM line "hard to tell whether these would be just election day voters anyway"

Bullshit.
A banked vote is better than a "likely vote" any day.

Ask anyone who has ever walked a precinct on election day

Pundits are wondering what the Ground Game will look like next Tuesday

This is the trailer

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Can someone explain the calculations here. Speaking to an early poll person in WI, they mentioned the ballots go into a locked room and are counted on election day, not before.

How do we know the numbers? Or is that just a WI thing? Or is it not true at all and this person was either misguided or deliberately misleading. Never know in my conservative part of the state.

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When they poll, the ask the respondent whether they voted and for whom they voted. So it's like an exit poll, not hard numbers.

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I am also confident that there are a number of white people who do not want to admit that they are voting for Obama.


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My best friend married a woman from Georgia (call her R), and although R is herself a very sensible woman, she comes from a long line of what you might call "southern Belles." My wife and I met my friend and his wife for drinks on Sunday evening and R told us how her grandmother confessed, almost shamedly, that she cast her early ballot (in Georgia) for Obama. She told R because she knew that R was also supporting Obama, and she wanted to tell someone, but she did not want the news to spread among her friends at the country club.

R laughed as she told us this, however, because another of R's friends told R that she had the same conversation with her grandmother (who is a member of the same country club as R's grandmother). In other words, there is evidently an epidemic of older, white southern Belles in Atlanta furtively voting for Obama, but anxious that they maintain the appearance of being good country-club Republicans. A reverse Bradley-effect, perhaps? Let us hope that it is a bigger thing than anyone might have guessed.

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I love this anecdote. I truly do.

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OK, has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but if anyone missed SNL last night, you missed this little gem!

Jon Hamm's dead-on impersonation of a young and drunk James Mason in the Vincent Price Halloween Special was absolutely hysterical!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdqBuP-F5gQ

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Oops, I meant last weekend, not last night!

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My best guess for the minimum winning scenario is the following:

Obama wins :

Me,Vt,NH,Ma,RI,Ct,NY,NJ,De,Md,DC,Pa,Oh,Mi,Il,Mn,Co,Ca,Or,Wa, and HI.

Electoral College total = 271

California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii put him over the the top in the final moments.

So if any red or vacillating eastern state moves over to Obama's column, it'll be over with faster than stink on shit.

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Election night will be a violent repudiation of the Republican Party.

They will be humbled in the most amazing way. And that humility, no matter how pronounced, will be good for the GOP.

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While I agree complacency might reduce the turnout I think we all need to stop hand wringing and worrying. We also need to stop trying to deconstruct every word of every poll. It's not worth it. This next week is going to be hell enough for us. We are the committed and therefore the most with an emotional stake in the outcome. Let's not make it worse for ourselves.

Does anyone else agree that these early turnout figures are a sure sign that the combination of Obama's message and massive rejection of the Bush/McCain policies are going to energize voters sufficiently to turnout en masse?

I think the electorate wants to pile on the misery. People on our side want to run up the score just to vent their pent up anger. There is an urgency in this election that hasn't existed before. I think we're seeing the beginnings of a wave that will carry over even beyond November 4th.

That's enough to offset, and more, any complacency produced by the current state of the polls.

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To quote Lesley Gore....

"it's my election and I'll freak if I want to..."


lol....

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Well at least I tried.

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even the msm is picking up on THIS one.....


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27416412/

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Thread drift...

On Josh's piece on the front page:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/240472.php

He should update it to mention NC:

2004
3,552,449 total votes
30.8% voted early
1,094,154 voted early


2008 (10/28 5:22am)
1,411,999 voted early so far

More *already* have voted early, for a rate of 39.7% what voted overall in 2004.

The splits are up huge:

2008 vs 2004
Dem: 54.6% vs 48.6%
Rep: 28.1% vs 37.4%
None: 17.3% vs 14.1%

That's just staggering with a full week out.

I think there are two thinks to keep an eye on from the early returns on Tuesday:

#1 - VA: if we're up comfortably there, then we win. We will be too well firewalled to lose

#2 - NC: if we lead there and keep it comfortable, then it's landslide time

If NC stay broken from the Red in out direction on 11/4, then we'll pick off other Red States that are starting to teeter.

Still need to GOTV. Too many downticket races where we can crash the Repubs to let the opportunity slide by.

John

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These numbers are amazing. Thanks Tosh!

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Excellent stuff ... thanks

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A Haiku...

Republican rule.
Ends not a moment too soon.
Carcass smells like poop.


Another Haiku...

McCain's fun campaign.
A joy for your eyes and ears.
They feast on themselves.

Another Another Haiku...

Palin goes out rogue.
Flops like flailing bird.
Alaska's deep shame.


Thank you.

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Lovely. Bravo!! Very nice.

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I love this Pew poll--and they've got a great rep--but tend to think that it's an outlier, as it's so far beyond what any of the trackers from the past several days are showing. Right now it looks like Obama's lead has dropped to about what it was before the Powell endorsement. Hoping that the Wednesday-night speech will stop the slight momentum that McCain seems to have gained since Friday.

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The Pew survey is a national survey, not a survey in swing states as the post implies. It's kind of a no brainer to note that Obama leads nationally. But there is no necessary relationship between being ahead nationally and taking the electoral college.

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Watch the Obama TV "special" tomorrow night. Call everyone you know and urge them to watch. From what I can gather, it's going to be spectacular!

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McCain belongs in a Nursing home. Palin should go back to that small town in Alaska where she was Mayor of Hooterville? Or was it Bug Tussel? In less than a week they will be nothing more than a 'Fart in the Wind!'

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Lots of dumb male voters who don't make up their mind till the last minute are quite prone to wanting to be on the winning side.

All of those empty field offices reported by Nate Silver tell the story.

For the latest on McCain's Turtle Island-Gate, check out:

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html

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Lots of dumb male voters who don't make up their mind till the last minute are quite prone to wanting to be on the winning side.

All of those empty field offices reported by Nate Silver tell the story.

For the latest on McCain's Turtle Island-Gate, check out:

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html

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Lots of dumb male voters who don't make up their mind till the last minute are quite prone to wanting to be on the winning side.

All of those empty field offices reported by Nate Silver tell the story.

For the latest on McCain's Turtle Island-Gate, check out:

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html

McCain can now buy a penthouse condo in Buttfuck, Utah, divorce Cindy and party like he's always wanted to.

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McCain can now buy a penthouse condo in Buttfuck, Utah, divorce Cindy and party like he's always wanted to. (lots of blondes thereabouts...)

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Josh: I'm in love with your server....

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