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Poll: Obama Has Narrow Edge In Indiana

For the first time in a month, a new poll gives Barack Obama a slim lead in the very red state of Indiana, which hasn't voted Dem since 1964 and where George W. Bush won a 60%-39% landslide in 2004.

The numbers from Public Policy Polling (D): Obama 48%, McCain 46%, within the ±2.6% margin of error. As usual, the economy is the driving force here, with 60% of voters saying it's their most important issue, and this group going to Obama 59%-34%.

Obama advisers insist that they have a real shot at an upset here, partly because McCain started organizing on the ground so late here -- Obama has been here ever since the primary, and McCain has had nearly no presence at all, in part taking it for granted and partly relying on the GOP governor's re-election campaign to do his GOTV for him.


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Come home to the BLUE!

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A few random thoughts:

1. If we see McCain or Palin campaigning there before election day, my guess is, the state is already lost. Palin was there already, but one visit isn't indicative of a trend. Any more time or resources devoted to the state tells me that the McCain camp is just flailing around and the absolute best case is a very, very small win.

2. Or maybe the state is already lost, a la shades of Tennessee for Gore in 2000.

3. How great must it be for the person who is running the campaign in this state? Even if they end up losing by two points, the person could probably increase their fees by quite a bit.

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Indiana is winnable. Obama just needs to repeat his narrow lose along with Clinton's voters and he wins the state.

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McCain has had nearly no presence at all, in part taking it for granted and partly relying on the GOP governor's re-election campaign to do his GOTV for him.

They learned nothing from the Democratic primary. You would have thought that the McCain campaign might have had the good sense to consider whether they should take anything for granted. Or maybe they just thought the whole 50 (22) state strategy was a joke.

As Howard Dean said, people won't vote for you if you don't even ask them to. Obama's campaign has been asking for months now, and McCain's taking the vote for granted.

Not to belabor the point, or anything, but the sheer ineptitude of the McCain campaign should raise real doubts in the minds of moderate Republicans.

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Not to belabor the point, or anything, but the sheer ineptitude of the McCain campaign should raise real doubts in the minds of moderate Republicans.

Well said. If I might, I would like to springboard off of this point to make another which has troubled me ever since Kristol, Lowry, Castellanos, etc started claiming that McCain and Palin need to be "freed"; that is, they have tried to excuse the evident ineptitude that the campaign has recently demonstrated by laying it at the feet of "advisors" that are "stifling" the "real" candidates. The line goes that they need to stop letting his advisors control them and just be themselves.

This is, to say the least, a curious excuse. If McCain and Palin really are so easily controlled by his advisors, why in God's own name would we want them within a country mile of the red telephone? I am not really convinced that the campaign he is presently running is really the work of advisors stifling the "real" McCain. I am perfectly content to suppose that the campaign we are presently seeing is McCain's own work. If, however, I really believed that the hapless ineptitude that we are witnessing really were the fault of advisors, this only makes the case against McCain more, not less damning.

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If, however, I really believed that the hapless ineptitude that we are witnessing really were the fault of advisors, this only makes the case against McCain more, not less damning.

You said it. Is he so weak that he can't even get out from under his own advisors? Is his judgment so questionable that he isn't able to see their ineptitude? Either he has no backbone, or, he really misjudges the situation. Exactly the kind of commander in chief our country needs right now.

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I agree, but let's not forget that PPP is a DEM-leaning outfit....in other words, they have a slight Democratic "house effect". Both Fivethirtyeight.com and Pollster.com have talked about "house effects" in polling firms. PPP = slight Dem lean and Rasmussen = slight Republican "house effect". So, when I view poll numbers, I try to keep in mind if the firm doing the polling is thought to have a "house effect" and if so interpret the number accordingly.

With this in mind, I'd subtract a point or so from Obama's direction from this PPP poll.

Still, a statistical tie in Indiana at this point is EXCELLENT NEWS FOR MCCAIN!!! LOL. Sorry...couldn't resist.

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I couldn't agree more, CT. Worst campaign I've ever seen.

I do think they took a whole lot for granted. And now that it is smoking rubble, McLame is madder than hell!

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You would have thought that the McCain campaign might have had the good sense...

And that right there is where the problem starts. The McCain campaign has shown not an ounce of sense this entire season.

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Come on Blue! You're my boy, Blue!

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Whether Obama wins Indiana or not, the mere fact that he's forcing McShame to move scare resources there from other states is a victory in and of itself.

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So often I hear and read that the economy is the driving force in the polls, which may be partly true. But the response of both Obama and McCain to economic crisis is also a big part of the equation in the polls, and it should not go unnoticed.

I say this because recently I've been hearing some argue that if the economy had not tanked, McCain would be winning, as if McCain falling in the polls and Obama rising in the polls is due completely to outside forces.

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Indeed, the candidates' leadership skills before the crisis rather than the crisis itself have shaped people's decisions.

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It's utter delusion on the part of Republicans to think this. It's not the economy tanking that was the problem, it was McCain's bizarre response to it.

The other thing that some commentators are overlooking is Sarah Palin. There's a local NPR show here in CT called "The Faith Middleton Show". She has a segment on politics every week, which is going to be upped to every day until the election. Yesterday, she had two "analysts" from Quinnipeac and UConn, who attributed Obama's huge fundraising haul in September entirely to the tanking economy.

WTF? They didn't even mention the nearly $10 million Obama picked up the day after Palin's acceptance speech at the RNC.

Some Republicans seem unable to recognize how disastrous Palin, and McCain's own behavior have been for McCain.

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Co-sign. I wonder if the Repugs *know* that Palin was a disaster and won't admit it or if they are just that clueless...either way-Score!

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Economy? Check. McCain response to economy? Fundamentally Sound Check. Palin? You betcha.
Bush? BINGO.

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I agree. If the poor economy were behind Obama's funding increases, that would be very strange--people saying "Oh, I'm worried I may lose my job--better give some money away. My 401(K) is in the toilet--better give some money away. I can't afford to pay my mortgage--better give some money away." It'd be crazy to say that the bad economy isn't boosting Obama's numbers in the polls, but it isn't the only factor. He's been running the better campaign from day 1, and I think he would've won this election handily on the strength of his organization, the force of his personality, and the weakness of the GOP, with or without a mortgage crisis.

The only reason McCain was ahead for a moment was that people were excited about Sarah Palin at the Republican convention. But that wasn't a sustainable excitement, because sooner or later the voters were going to find out how unacceptable she was--not on experience, but on the issues. So the Palin pick was always short-term gain, long-term loss. And without her, McCain wouldn't even have been able to manage a short-term spike. . .

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MSNBC's Chuck Todd said he was told by rethug sources that McCain has no GOTV effort in Florida or Pennsylvania.

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McCain is losing PA big time. Pollster has Obama over McCain by at least 6 points on average.

In Florida, it doesn't appear that the McCain campaign is getting much help from the local politicians (Charlie Crist for example).

http://thepajamapundit.com/

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Pollster has Obama up 15 in PA.

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Wasn't one of the reason he brought Palin in to be VP was to not only get the evangelicals pumped up, but to also use their legendary ground network. Seems that they are excited about going to their hate rallies, but putting that much energy behind getting McCain into the White House.

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I am going to edify you with a quote that has fueled me since March.

I campaigned for Obama in Youngstown. On the night of the Ohio primary, I was overly optimistic about our chances. I asked a staffer what he thought.

"I think we lose by ten to twelve points."

I was crestfallen. He appeared perfectly happy with that result. I asked him why.

"Because we will win the primary, and when McCain is sunning himself in Arizona this summer, we will have in place a massive campaign apparatus. We will be ready for the fall."

He was a field director for Obama in PA, on loan in Ohio.

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Beautiful.

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Oh, man. You've made my day for today--thanks!

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I think you've made my month!

I was just thinking about it this morning: just what in the hell was McSame and his minions doing from March until June? Did they do *any* planning whatsoever or did they think they could rely on mythmaking and media suckups alone? Well, that's how he won the nomination in the first place, right?

From the lime green jello mold speech, to Obama's overseas trip to the debates, McSame's campaign always seems to be surprised at how well he performs.

They really thought they could punk him. Dumb asses. Somebody should have told McSame that he was never smart enough to match wits with Obama and to plan accordingly.

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Obama campaigns in Indianapolis, IN on thursday morning before heading to Hawaii.

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Obama's appearance in Indiannapolis Thursday morning should help. He'll get to talk about Indiannapolis being his last stop for a couple of days and the reason why. The audience will have a subconscious reminder that he's off to see his "white" grandmother, which should offset some of the "he's black" fear-mongering.

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"Indianapolis"

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Speaking of all that, check out this photo of Obama's grandparents when they were young:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/his-last-parent.html

My spouse walked in, saw the photo, and said immediately, "Is he related to Obama?"

A Sullivan reader commented:

I've never seen that picture of Obama's grandparents before. The picture of his grandfather amazed me -- I find the resemblance striking. (The ears, the long chin, the tilt of his head.) Frankly, I notice more family resemblance there than in the few pictures of his father I've seen. This feels significant to me, and I'm trying to articulate why ... something to do with how stupidly mistaken so many people are about his otherness.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/that-photo.html


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Wow. Now that you mention it...damn!

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Speaking as a Hoosier, I think Indiana is definitely winnable for Obama. He has an awesome ground game here. McLame has nothing. Yeah this is a Republican state, but people are definitely sick of Bush et al. The rural vote might be a tough sell for Obama, but if he can GOTV in the cities, I think he can flip this state.

I am seeing tons of Obama ads. Only a few for McLame, and most of those were done by the RNC, not the McLame campaign itself. I still think McLame is taking us for granted, and he shouldn't be.

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Kristen - I know this may sound silly but is there any impact from David Letterman's pounding on McCain this past month on residents of Indiana? After all, Letterman is one of them....

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I think there could be. Letterman is very popular here, a favorite son, as it were. Letterman pounding on McCain is a good thing for Obama, for sure.

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Thanks. I was definitely wondering about that. Seemed to me that McCain did himself no favors in snubbing Letterman nor during his subsequent "I screwed up" appearance. I don't have a sense of how Dave is seen these days in Indiana since he has been in the New York area for years. Sounds as though he still commands a certain degree of respect and Hoosier pride.

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Indiana,

Michigan here. You know, we've had our differences. Sometimes it seems like we look down at you more than we look down on Ohio. I know I've implied that your residents are into bestiality and cannibalism. I apologize for those remarks. They were out of line.

You have some good things to offer. Illegal fireworks -- I love them, though I would never think of shooting them off here, of course. And the Amish. I once had a great bowl of chicken soup -- the best ever, really -- at an Amish restaurant. And let us not forget the flea market of Shipshawana. And you gave the world David Letterman. And Indiana's only Democrat, John Melloncamp.

I could really warm up to you, Indiana. Even, dare I say, love you, if you go for Barack Obama and Joe Biden in a couple weeks. I'll at least respect you the next morning.

Sincerely,
Michigan

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I love them, though I would never think of shooting them off here, of course.

Of course! In fact, you only love the thought of them, right? You'd never actually hold an illegal firework in your hand, right? You just like the thought of being able to do so....

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I just love the idea that we live in a part of the country where a short hop over the state line gives us a chance to marvel at wonderful firework packaging.

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The key to Obama winning in Indiana will be winning the northwestern part of the state.

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It definitely will come down to GOTV efforts and how many moderate Republicans jump ship. Obama will need a number of people who are voting for the Repub Governor to switch and vote for Obama for president. From my vantage point here in East Indiana, it going to be very close.

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If Obama wins Indiana, I am going to crank the theme from "Hoosiers" on my stero at full blast, windows open, and cry like a f*cking little kid.

Because if he has won Indiana, of all places, then that means Virginia is also gone from McCain, and so is North Cackalackey.

F*ck, man. I'm going to be crying in joy Election Night, aren't I? Big, sloppy tears of joy.

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Yep. We'll all be blubberin'. Eight years of dark, bitter pain washed away. I have climbed out of the pit of despair, feeling hope for a bright future. How exciting to be alive for this.

Fourteen days to go. Gassin' up the Chevy Bourbon, gettin' ready to drive people to the polls all day and party all night.

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North Cackalacky? Is tht along the lines of Mississtupid? What kind of arrogance is that.
Are you a closet Nancy Pfotenhauer pfollower, Lars?

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Ref: "relying on the GOP governor's re-election campaign to do his GOTV for him."

It is this reliance on State in every battleground and economically hard hit state that has left McLame with zero chances of crossing 200 electors. They just chose to ignore what happened in 2006. As a consequence, they will be losing states like Indiana.

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Constructive response: "People make mistakes more than machines," said Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright.

How about checking the damn machines?

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So maybe he thinks those damn machines weren't programmed by people???

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How many "not since '64" states are in play? Indiana, Virginia, North Dakota, maybe Montana. Any others?

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McCain's view of Indiana as safe for him and completely republican isn't entirely reality. Yes we usually go for the GOP in presidential elections, and we have a GOP governor, but he is a divisive figure to say the least--loved by some and hated by others. Before him, we had 12 straight years of Democratic governorship. We have a beloved Dem Senator. So if McCain believes that Indiana is 100% repub all the time, he does so at his own peril.

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It is way too early to gloat. However, if you are a Republican war hero losing to a truly inexperienced bi-racial guy who sandwiches the name Hussein in between Barak and Obama, there is only one place to start looking for the blame. Bush. Obama deserves a world of credit, but they will not give him any. So if they want a scapegoat, Georgie boy is not only convenient, he is the proper choice.

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Let's be cautious on this one. If this is like other Public Policy Polling polls, it is fully automated and this tends to be less reliable than those in which two human voices actually connect.

On the other hand, maybe this is why Obama is heading to Hawaii through Indianapolis.

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I'm not so sanguine about Indiana. Grew up in the state and have lots of relatives smeared all over--upstate farms, Indianapolis (and its exurbs), and downstate too. They've all been Republican for years--some border on wingnuttery, relatively few are "persuadable." I know this is all anecdotal.

I remember Mark Shields comment on PBS in 2000 on election night when Indiana was called by MSM. Lehrer asked, "Any news there, Mark?" Shields: "Not really. Look, if the GOP nominated Charles Manson, Indiana would go Republican."

Now that they HAVE nominated Charles Mansion, my gut still tells me that Indiana will go Republican. I wish I could be more optimistic, but I'm not.

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I just noticed my typo: Charles Mansion. Freudian slip, folks.

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Shouldn't that be Charles Seven-Mansions?

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Wow.

I haven't been daring to hope for Indiana. I figured, if sinking a basket from half-court in front of cheering US troops didn't put you ahead in Indiana, nothing ever would.

But then McCain snubbed Letterman (Dave's really big there), and I thought maybe...but not quite. Then I heard McCain would go on Letterman after all, and I figured the Hoosier State was out of the running again. I missed that episode, because I was watching Biden on Jay Leno, but from what I heard.... yeah.

If Indiana goes for Obama, assuming the other polls are correct, then that may mean every state I've ever lived in (WA, OR, CO, MI, IN, NJ, PA) goes blue this year.

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I live in Carmel Indiana. When Obama talks about the 5% who will get tax increases because they make over $250,000, a lot of those people live in Carmel. (I am not one of them, but they are here). When I drive around town I see 5 Obama bumper stickers for every one McCain/Palin sticker. In 2000 and 2004 it seemed everyone had a "W" sticker on their car. I have no doubt that McCain will win Hamilton County Indiana. But I do think most of the voters are voting for him while holding their noses.

I guess what I am saying is that there is very little visible support for McCain in a deep, deep red area of Indiana. I really think that there is a chance for Obama in Indiana because there is no McCain presence. I also think Indiana has been ignored in every election of my lifetime except for the time Dan Quayle was the VP. (And let me apologize on behalf of the state for that.) I think the state is liking the attention it is getting because we finally matter. And Obama is the only one paying attention to us right now.

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Born and raised in Indiana, where my first year in college my political science teacher pointed out that over 85% of those who get a college education leave the state (that was back in 1981), I have to say that it is quite an accomplishment for Senator Obama to have reached the possibility of winning in the state.

I am very curious to see where the 'red states' are in polling a week from now...

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Two weeks to go is a little too early to celebrate. Hell, I did the Homer Simpson dance when they called Florida for Gore (and I didn't even like Gore) and I still regret that. There's still lots of work to be done--and precinct walking is good for you too.

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The city of Indianapolis was named after a poor Wabash indian who had no apples,,,,, just an historical note.

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If Obama carries Indiana, I think Eugene Debs himself might just rise up out of his grave and go for a dance along the banks of the Wabash.

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Of course Obama will win Indiana. All of the Obama staffers that won Michigan were sent down there last week. They definitely know how to play this game.

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If any Democrat has a chance to win Indiana, one out of Chicago would. Come on Hoosiers! You can wrap this election up for us.

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