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Poll: Debates Improved Opinions Of Obama Among Independents And Conservatives

New polling from ABC News and The Washington Post reveals just how big Barack Obama's victory in the collective debates really was.

The survey finds that more than a third of likely voters (36%) said their opinion of Obama had gotten better because of the debates, while only 12% said it had gotten worse. By contrast, only a fifth (20%) said their opinion of McCain had improved, while more than that (26%) said it had gotten worse.

The numbers among independents are pretty interesting, too. A third (33%) said their opinion of Obama had improved, while only 19% said their opinion of McCain had improved -- significantly less than the 28% of indys who said their opinion of the Arizona Senator had worsened.

And get this: While McCain won handily among Republicans, opinions of both candidates improved by approximately the same number among conservatives. Twenty seven percent of conservatives said their opinion of Obama had gotten better, while 28% said the same of McCain.


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I have laughed since the last debate at the conservative press. Bobo wrote that article in which he praised Obama, but in the end said he's so serene he's dull. And Nooners remarked that he's so serene he almost seems to be hiding something ( which just proves again how batshit crazy she is.)

Bobo, you and Nooners just don't get it. He's not dull, he's not mysteriously calm - he's just too cool for y'all. That's all there is to it.

LOL

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Bobo, you and Nooners just don't get it.

To paraphrase Upton Sinclair, their paychecks depend on their not getting it.

All that tire swinging has given them concussions. Either that, or McCain dosed the dry rub with peyote.

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They're both just wacky. Bobo can't write a fucking thing that doesn't sound ridiculously pretentious - especially when he starts a piece this way: "We have been watching Obama...

What's this "we" shit? Why can't BoBo just say: "I have been observing Obama..."?

They drive me nuts, but at least they are clearly making their own half-ass cases for Obama.

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He drives me up a wall. He tries to be this omniscient observer. But he writes such fluff. Ugh!

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He's all about the common man and Bobo wouldn't let a "common man" within 10 miles of him for real.

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His "knowledge" consists of commercial demographics and the choices consumers make; it's such a cynical, superficial, and reductionist view of voters and politics, I'm surprised anybody takes him seriously.

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Caliph Garrett: "Either that, or McCain dosed the dry rub with peyote."

Gawd, I wish that would happen. Trust me, you wouldn't be getting these sorts of responses if the swing shift was chewing on some "brujo's choice."

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So how do we explain the tightening in the polls? Even though repubs are repulsed by mcShame, what keeps them from supporting Obama? Is there some sort of self-limiting process going on, whereby repubs "police" themselves and bully people into supporting mcShame? Or is it the allure of a sexy VP?

Something is happening to interfere with people's reason. And I'm betting it's the mcShame efforts to inflame passions:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2008/10/mcshame-campaign-in-a-nutshell.php

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I don't get that either, Thera. Not at all.

It doesn't make any sense when you put the polls next to everything else that fairly screams that he's way ahead -

632,000 new donors?

It doesn't compute.

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I believe it's mainly previously disaffected wingnuts, who earlier pretended they might not vote, coming home because they're finally mollified by the amount of red meat McPalin has been throwing them. Which, of course, means exactly nothing in terms of increasing McPalin's chances.

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Eggzactly. The strategy (or tactics, I get them mixed up) of the past few weeks for McCain is to get the base foaming at the mouth. Considering that they're also mouth-breathers, it's not a pretty sight.

They've given up on getting moderates and fence-sitters. It is their only chance at not facing total embarrassment.

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I agree and if you look at the cross tabs of many of the polls it is GOPer coming home to McCain. Doesn't help him win...just natural behavior at this time in the race.

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Thera and Tena, I'm willing to bet it's not as close as we might think. I don't trust polls (what reasonable person would in this climate?) and I think there's a generational shift going on that is somehow not being measured.

I'm not smart enough to show my math here. Just gut.

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What I notice in the internals of the R2K poll over at Kos is this. In the past few days whites are preferring mcShame a bit more as are men. Also in the middle age group (from about 30 to 44) there has been a small shift from Obama to mcShame.

So, putting that together men like Joe the Plumber, white, in their child-rearing years, maybe yearning for a sexy dame, and perhaps resentful as they see a future slipping away - have turned to mcShame.

Those are the folks, I think, that the mcShame ads and rallies are manipulating.

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Talk about needing TheraPy!

Weird thing is, other than the sexy dame part (got one of those already, ty), the above description nearly fits me.

However, the future I see slipping away makes me want to vote for Obama. Maybe I just have a different future in mind.

Plus, I'm a Masshole. We don't care what "real America" thinks. Just a decent cup of coffee please.

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Then you're the perfect person to look at. You obviously are not driven by desires and resentments. Honestly, you're right about those folks needing therapy - though they likely don't want it.

But to appreciate Obama you need to have a good observing ego, a means of managing your emotions and not just going for the jugular or the nearest dame. You're a person who thinks.

Glad you're with us, buddy!

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Its not that close. Although it is very useful for Dems to think and act like it is, its not that close at all.

Obama's numbers have been fairly consistent since the Dem convention. McCain had a shot with his own convention but squandered it when he picked Palin. Since then its been a battle for the independents, the undecideds, and the all important electoral college.

Keep in mind folks these polls are obsessed with the so-called "Bradley Effect" and are working hard not to paint too rosy a picture for Obama.

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Those are the folks, I think, that the mcShame ads and rallies are manipulating.

Yes, that is who they are aiming at and that's what Palin does do for them - she brings out that base that may have stayed home otherwise. But I still can't understand what McLame was thinking cause that base is not big enough to elect anyone. His only hope was to hang on to the independents and Democrats who voted for Bush but that ain't happening cause Commander CooCoo already scorched that earth and sowed it with salt.

Weirdest campaign evah!

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Exactly! Plus the number of newly registered way favors Dems. I still say the polls are missing something big.

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I agree with you completely.

I try to keep this down to a dull roar, cause I don't want to raise my own expectations too high, but I think you're right.

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me too...

There must be some kind of "effect" that will prompt people to vote against mcShame, though they fear saying their choice aloud.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't there an issue with the polls under-representing folks who are completely reliant on cell phones (which would primarily affect estimates of the gap, not the trend)?

Also, it might be worth watching for a "McCain Effect" where late-deciders and switchers break toward Obama because McW has failed to maintain enough personal distance from his ugly campaign tactics. If there is going to be such an effect, the Powell endorsement today is probably going to help amplify its strength.

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I don't believe the debates had enough substance to fully engage the public's interest other than niche/wedge issues. I liked the generalities of Obama over the incoherent babbling of McCain, but would relly liked to have heard a real debate of issues without the campaign rhetoric.

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Think that will ever happen in our lifetimes again? I mean, a Presidential debate that on the issues and not the rhetoric of campaigns?

It's hard to imagine, given the way campaigns are run, the money, television, the general divisiveness
we all expect.

So damn ugly out there.

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While much has been made of the unknown number of white voters who would likely not vote for an African American, not enough has been made of the disaffected, educated Republicans, some of whom like Powell have been vocal in their support and others like George Will, Peggy Noonan, etc. who may well vote for Obama. These are only the public figures; there must be people who think like them.

As tempting as it may be to say that there aren't that many educated republicans, I've run into a fair number who like Obama much more than McCain, especially after the Palin pick. Whether the number is significant, I have no clue, but quiet support from that segment of the republican party certainly wouldn't hurt the Obama vote count.

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Yes, I keep thinking that repubs who genuinely care about this country will, in the privacy of the voting booth, stop and ask themselves if they really want to take a chance on mcShame's recklessness and his age - given his dreadful VP pick.

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O I agree - any Repugs with brains who are still Repugs, at any rate.

And there are Repugs with brains - most of them, however, have already switched.

;)

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Then for the next 20 years, instead of hearing about the freakin' Bradley Effect, we can hear about the Palin Consequence!

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Are you trying to seduce me?

LOL!!!!!!

I love that sexy talk -

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Always! ;)

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I'll tell you, though, Thera - the NYT has a story about who likes Palin and it's mostly guys - big surprise! Guys cannot see through her like women do, apparently, which is what I expected. But anyway, all these NASCAR guys who come to her rallies and are almost fanatic about her - I would be willing to bet a good number of them get in front of that ballot and say: "can I really trust this woman to run the country? O hell no..."

And they end up voting not for Obama, but Joe Biden.

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I like that assessment Tena. I imagine many of them like her as a potential (pardon my expression) "piece of ass". But do these guys really like women beyond that?

She's an unreachable, which many guys are attracted to. These guys probably still have Bo Derek posters above their beds.

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I hope so... although in the mob they don't seem capable of rational thought. I say that because at the moment I have today's picture on the NYT (online) of the "mavrick" boys attending Palin rallies and think that she's become some sort of small town rave phenomenon.

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That's the article I read.

Those guys are young. A lot of them are just young and dumb enough to vote for her. But guys who are not that young anymore and who are capable of seeing this as something more than a fucking football game, are more likely, IMO, to say they are voting for her (some weird psychology that tells them maybe they get to fuck her if they say they are voting for her - who knows? But they won't when it comes down to it.

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You know it. I know it. But they're in fantasyland.

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If you take a look at my little post this morning (over on the sidebar here), I've combined the "passions" that mcShame/Dame evoke. And they fit the mob mentality.

Rape, as we know, is a crime of aggression. And it's that type of sexualized aggression I think we see being aroused by the mcShame campaign. And I doubt these men have enough mature ego functions to enable them to transcend the base passions being evoked here. They are "aroused" in these rallies.

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Even Alec Baldwin played into the Palin beauty-myth.

This makes me want to have a good Sunday Scrub. Ick.

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Yeah, those guys again. The ones at football games, that travel in bunches, that bar hop, that as a gang are capable of so much bad, when as individuals they are capable of so much good.

Never liked their schizoid ways.

And I don't think they ever liked me.

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"Twenty seven percent of conservatives said their opinion of Obama had gotten better, while 28% said the same of McCain." This is telling!

In short this is 1/4 of conservatives with a more favorable opinion of Obama. Kinda fit with a theory that about 5% of conservatives (1/4 of 1/4) do have measurable amounts of sanity(Bill Buckeley's son)and would be prone to vote for Obama, Palin was the tipping point. This 1/4 of 1/4 is between 3% & 5% of the total pool of voters, and likely higher in battleground states. So a 3% to 5% switch in battleground states means McCain is into toast time! The independents provide an extra margin. Obama's $150M haul and Powell's endorsement lend weight to this view as these type of folks need more than their gut feelings to follow and many are not tied the the political purse or ideological swamps in any way. On the 1/4 of 1/4 it is something like Obama's $150M haul, it was made of the average contributions of I believe $86; at this level numbers do matter and strongly indicates the likely outcome.

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Lovely comment, ADLEED.

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I want to piggyback on your point with an idea I've been mulling since Palin and that I recently read reflected in an AP article. The whole "dumbing down" the republican party concept. It seems since George Sr. and maybe in an effort to shed his father's image, George Jr. has started a trend of dumbing down the party. "Brownie" is probably the most visible example but make no mistake the problem is endemic.

Palin pushes that point to a whole new level. She is so far below the "regular Joe" its laughable. 5 colleges...and did she ever really graduate? Who knows...but I do know this... McCain painted every Ivy league, over achieving, upper crust, culturally and intellectual elite republican, into the corner. They are stuck with no way out.

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It seems that today's republican have forgotten the Reagan years....Republicans in black tie looking down their noses on the homeless and other disenfranchised groups. Reagan may have had everyman appeal, but he is still the closest thing to Royalty that this country has produced.

Now McCain wants to pretend that Joe Plumber is the party base. Joe Plumber has never been the party base. Remember G.W's famous joke, "they call you the elite, I call you my base" Republican's have always been elitist, their gift was in convincing the typical white voter to vote against his or her own interests in the hopes that someday they could achieve the same. His Palin pick may have energized a few targeted groups, i.e, Evangelicals, and White Males with a high school education, but he totally screwed the base. They are almost unanimously horrified by the thought of Palin in office. And I wouldnt be surprised if a significant portion of Barack's record breaking haul was raised in Red States!!

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Palin sexy? Not after hearing her speak the first time. Hard to get my groove on while listening to Palin's fingernails-on-blackboard sweet nothings.

Now, the tippy-tippy-tap of TenaX's fingertips on the keyboard? Bwang, chicka chicka! That's sexy!

I'm not surprised that the polls are tightening, but I do note that it's McCain's numbers rising a couple of points and not Obama's dropping. He's holding at that 50 percent level. I was encouraged this past week when a former co-worker, a blue collar high school grad in Iowa who voted for Bush, called me to ask a work-related question. After I answered, he asked if I'd seen the last debate, after which he enthused about Obama and mentioned that he and his friends would be voting for Obama.

Keep in mind that the national poll is ultimately meaningless. Electoral votes are the key and even the MSM are showing that Obama is over the 270 mark.

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It appears that public opinion polling is not who McCain is referencing when he uses the phrase, "my friends".

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Is this the same poll that the Post is releasing after midnight tonight? I think they're showing larger numbers based on this same poll.

If it shows support moving to Obama based on the debates, I'd think the horserace numbers would be good too.

The last poll had Obama up 10, though, and I could see a sudden contraction to about 6. This happened last month too.

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