I think Governor Palin must have a very poor opinion of the average American.

Go back and try the other thread. I've managed to post several times.

Joe 6-pack? HA! What the hell is wrong with her? And that riff on Israel makes me wonder if she's one of the Third Temple End-Of-Days types...

Poor Baby. Boo Hoo. Is that your Pit Bull Best?

Ok. Their ticket is now splitting up the work:

A. mcShame's Pompous Lies.

B. mcDame's Pitiful Cries.

That's it. That's all they've got!

Well, at least they don't hate her because she's beautiful.

Now Palin is channeling the late Nebraska Sen. Roman Hruska:

"So what if he is mediocre? There are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they? We can't have all Brandeises, Cardozos, and Frankfurters and stuff like that there."
- Hruska speaking of Supreme Court Justice nominee Harold Carswell

Full disclosure: I have been living in Nebraska for the last 17 years, so go easy on the Cornhusker jokes, please. :>)

Don't know if you follow the estimable Alaska blogger Mudflats, but posted last night was the news that a witness in the Troopergate scandal got caught lying and has changed her testimony:

"Murlene Wilkes, faced with this situation, decided to change her testimony according to a report in The Public Record. Now, with the little extra incentive of avoiding perjury charges, she has admitted that she was asked to deny the claim - at the direct request of Sarah and Todd Palin."

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/troopergate-witness-flips-like-a-pancake/

No Ms Palin,

People hate you because you are an insane, lying fascist plutocrat trying to rape the Great American Experiment to death and destroy everything good and right about our country.

Have any prominent members of the mainstream media mocked Palin's faith?

No, but the McCain camp is running out of victim's cards to play.

Wow on troopergate.

Has anyone looked at the RCP map with no toss ups included.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

It's actually better than the fivethirtyeight projection.

I hate to celebrate early, as I've seen the polls swing quite a bit in just two weeks but hot damn is that a pretty site to wake up to in the morning.

But back to the question:

Have any prominent members of the mainstream media mocked Palin's faith? Does anyone know what she's talking about?

Anybody? I've heard disparaging words on the blogs, but that hardly counts. Well, unless the blogs are those ephemeral sources of her news that she couldn't be specific about. Regardless, I'm pretty sure she's not personally reading lefty blogs. So, did she make this up or is there something out there?

Thanks for looking up that Roman Hruska quote - it's exactly what came to my mind when I read what Palin said. What a classic piece of political Americana!

Unfortunately, the attitude it represents continues to be all too common.

From:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-couric-on-gotcha-journalism.html

Tuesday, September 30, 2008

McCain and Couric Spar on Gotcha Journalism

COURIC: Over the weekend, Gov. Palin, you said the U.S. should absolutely launch cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan to, quote, "stop the terrorists from coming any further in." Now, that's almost the exact position that Barack Obama has taken and that you, Sen. McCain, have criticized as something you do not say out loud. So, Gov. Palin, are you two on the same page on this?

MCCAIN: Now, just a minute, Katie. I have to step in here. That's another example of the media's "Gotcha journalism"...

COURIC: But, it was a question from a citizen. How is a citizen asking a candidate a question an example of what you call "Gotcha Journalism?"

MCCAIN: Because it was hard, Katie.

We don't want Gov. Palin to be asked questions, unless she is prepared for them. When she is prepared, as she will be before the debate, she sounds intelligent, knowledgeable and feisty. But when she has not been prepared, she sounds lost and incoherent.

We can't have people asking her questions before she has had time to be prepared with an answer.

COURIC: But, Sen. McCain, I have to say, you are 72-years old. Actuarial preditions show that if you were to be elected, Gov. Palin would have a 1 in 5 chance of actually becoming President. These are perilous times--unprecedented crises in financial markets, tensions across a wide range of critical foreign policy arenas. Shouldn't we have a Vice President, and a potential President, who actually understands these issues, beyond the preparation necessary for a debate?

Here is her response to a question on the economy, a critical issue, you would agree, Sen. McCain:

COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

COURIC: That answer, Sen. McCain, as noted by Fareed Zakaria, is incoherent.

MCCAIN: Yes. (nodding his head, smiling).

COURIC: Well, isn't it actually important that a potential President actually comprehend issues? That is, beyond debate preparation?

MCCAIN: No, Katie. That's what I mean by "gotcha journalism". It's obvious from these prior interviews that Palin has little to no comprehension of fiscal policy and economics. For heaven's sake, she received a "D" in macroeconomics in college! And, as I've I said in the past, I have little understanding of economic issues myself.

No, what's important, Katie, is that she sound like she understands the issues. In the debate. If she is sufficiently prepared, she can give an illusion of understanding the issues--even if she is only giving answers with the prepared and practiced spontaneity and content necessary to give that illusion force.

Given that the bar is set at the lowest standard imaginable, Katie, if she accompanies that performance with sufficient charm, we believe that media will follow, into focusing on the change from that low standard, and on those superficial entertainment values--you know, Katie, (McCain smiles through tight lips and squinting eyes and moves his hands up and down)--"She certainly appears to be more confident tonight; she appears more poised, coherent, humorous"--rather than her readiness to be President from an objective standard. After all, using the more important standard of Presdidential capability, she has already demonstrated that she is unprepared to be President.

So, Katie, we want them to focus on that difference, on her debate preparation, rather than on her actual well-demonstrated Presidential unreadiness. And that's what I mean by "gotcha journalism."

KATIE: But if I understand you correctly, Sen. McCain, you actually believe that it's not important that she understand the issues actually facing the nation...

MCCAIN: Right.(nodding)

COURIC: On which many people's very jobs, health and life will rely at this critical time...

MCCAIN: Yes.

COURIC: And that all that really matters creating a standard so low that she actually is rewarded for her widely seen and repeatedly demonstrated lack of knowledge and understanding. That we would be using what is essentially a remedial standard for Presidential capability--rather than one of actual capability.

Sen. McCain, you seem to be actually suggesting that we should decide that she is ready for the Presidency, simply because, after preparation, she has improved. Even though just days earlier, time after time, she was unable to give coherent answers on these subjects.

No one can gain Presidential-level understanding in days. And in the office of the Presidency, with its intense crises and unforseeable events, she will not be prepared for each unpredictable day, as she was for the debate.

Yet you expect media to focus on these values, rather than actual readiness to be President. That's what you mean by "gotcha journalism"?

MCCAIN: Exactly. And they will. Katie, I would say to the media: Once again--we "gotcha" to lower the bar. We "gotcha" to set expectations far below those actually required for a President. We "gotcha" to focus on characteristic unrelated to Presidential capability, and to ignore her statements made on these issues made days earlier--as if a few days of debate preparation can erase a glaring and dangerous actual lack of knowledge and preparedness. We "gotcha". (smiles).

COURIC: How can you expect the media to fall for that?

MCCAIN: It worked for Bush.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-and-couric-on-gotcha-journalism.html

I don't think Gwen Ifill is going to take to the folksy Palin ploy too kindly.

Biden should trust that Ifill will do what he can't.

It's time that normal Joe six-pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency, and I think that that's kind of taken some people off guard, and they're out of sorts, and they're ticked off about it.

Yes, I for one am looking forward to being rid of the staunch elitist and intellectual currently residing in the White House.

It's time that normal Joe six-pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency

Elitist bastard.

When is Joe Grain Alcohol American going to be represented?

I do have respect for those who have differing views than I do on faith, on religion. I'm not going to mock them, and I would hope that they would kind of I guess give me the same courtesy through this of not mocking a person's faith, but maybe perhaps even trying to understand a little bit of it.

I think the truth is that most people perceive Palin's brand of Christianity as being quite *disrespectful* of the beliefs of others.

Another thing, it is insulting to imply that most people do not understand her brand of faith. I think the truth is quite to the contrary - we all know someone who extolls this form of religion or have had personal experiences of it ourselves.

Last point: Is it just me or are folks getting fed up with this victim stance the right so loves to pose?

Here's the ridiculous interview of Palin by Hewitt along with even more ridiculous comments from the right-wing nuts.

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/0c03d39e-df44-41fc-af7d-f2f9a7f56b68&comments=true#commentAnchor

Joe Six-Pack doesn't own seven homes, thirteen cars, or even his own airplane. Neither do Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Her brand of pandering targets the petty gripes that fester in naroow-minded America - the growing entitlement crowd who think that the world is their oyster except that they hate oysters.

Palin to media: "Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful!"

When speaks of people mocking her faith, I think she means her creationism.

Yes, the right is becoming a party of victims. "A nation of whiners"--you spot, you got it; takes one to know one.

A question for the group: didn't Bill Clinton coin the term "Joe Six Pack"? Have the republicans coopted the term? Is it still an insult when it comes from Sarah Palin? Or does it help that she identifies with Joe Six?

You probably should have included the question here:

Hugh Hewitt: Do you think the mainstream media and the left understands your religious faith, Governor Palin?

Now it makes more sense. Anyway, it's standard boilerplate Republican-speak to whine about people, particularly the media, mocking their religious faith. One might say she's confused The Daily Show with the CBS Evening News, but probably not because it really doesn't matter. She's talking to CBN, and that's what feeds the hate within CBN's audience.

As for Gov. Palin's somehow representing Joe Sixpack, that's a bunch of malarkey. Even if it were true, why would we want Joe or Jane Sixpack anywhere near the White House? Even if it were true, one could hold a lottery and very likely pick a better Joe Sixpack for the job than this woman. Hell, Larry The Cable Guy is probably more qualified to be Vice President than Sarah Palin is, and he plays Joe Sixpack for a living.

Now, ordinarily it wouldn't be a problem, but the guy at the top of the ticket is really old and not in the best of health. You have to be in shape to be President; the Presidency takes a lot out of a person, even a healthy one, so I'd say if this 1 in 4 chance I've heard about of John McCain not surviving his second term of office is not being very, very charitable and unjustifiably optimistic, then Larry The Cable Guy ought to be able to run a marathon with no trouble at all. Given this, choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate was probably the stupidest thing John McCain has done in this election season, and that includes the non-suspension suspension of his campaign so he could go to Washington and fuck everything up.

What kind of an idiot would want to choose the brain surgeon operating on his or her kid from the friends he drinks with at the neighborhood bar?

my personal faith, and my personal faith is very, very simple. I don't belong to any church.

How are the fundies gonna read that? Not exactly "witnessing" to her Christian faith...

Not only is her faith, "very, very simple" - but as her faith goes, so goes everything else: Simple. Simple. Simple. A Simpleton!

Thanks, dearie, for the right word!

The Joe Six Pack line reminds me of what Senator Roman Hruska said about the soon to be defeated Nixon Supreme Court appointee G. Harold Carswell:

"Even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance?"

Palin Tax Returns.... Joe Sixpack results?

Coming soon... Rich Joe Sixpack from Alaska!

I guess Joe Six Packs go to 5 colleges in 5 years as well, and graduate with a C average, in Journalism. They also don't read newspapers, or certainly can't name one. They also haven't heard of Brown v. the Board of Education. They also believe everyone should work for the Big Oil too, apparently. Oh, and people and dinosaurs lived together.

As a guy who's name IS Joe, drinks beer, and makes less than 30k a year, frankly I'm insulted.

I don't understand how she can come out talking about being a regular Joe Six Pack when the McCain campaign itself isn't treating her like a regular Joe Six Pack - requesting deference from the media, booting photographers out of meetings at the U.N., bestowing interviews upon a select view. If she's just a regular person, why all royal treatment?

Sounds like the same response she gave when asked which newspapers she reads - all of them was her reply. Couric couldn't pin her down on which ones.

It's still all right to mock those evil community organizers though, right?

SP, still spouting the BS:

"Ironic too, Hugh, that some would consider my position on life and trying to usher in a culture of life, respecting the sanctity of life in America, that that is seen as an extreme position when to me, an extreme position is one that Barack Obama took when he was in the Illinois State Senate, not even supporting a measure that would ban partial birth abortion, not even supporting a measure that would during, after a botched abortion and that baby’s born alive, allowing medical care to cease and allowing that baby to die. That to me is extreme. That’s so far, far left it’s certainly out of the mainstream of America. To me, that is the extreme position, not my position of just wanting that culture of life to be respected, and not wanting government to sanction the idea of ending life."

She left her whacko church in 2002, which curiously coincides with her run for Lt. Governor...

Somebody here said it - yes, the Joe Six Pack is just a line the handlers fed her to try out. Try to reel in more o'them low information voters.

Fantastic. Someone get me a pen!

So let me say here:

PA +15, OH +8, FL +8. Wow!

Orange Alert in

3.....2......1......

This lady's world is coming tumbling down.... What will happen to her faith in god then?

the average American is AN IDIOT.

Hm, no, Gov. Palin. I, an average person, actively hate you because you are a fucking moron.

Hey! She's doing that " bite the toungue, I'm a lying sack of liquid crap" schtick. It's genetic .

No, Sarah, people know what white trash smells like, and they don't like it.

Keith Olbermann and others walked into a trap when they mocked her for that "witch doctor" praying over her. It was a long prayer, and in the middle of it, the guy threw a line in about witches. And she was mocked for it. Obviously, witch hunting is indeed absurd. But let's not pretend that no one was mocking Palin's faith.

i look at it this way: since the msm have been accused of talking about her religious beliefs (but haven't), they will now look into it and start reporting on her affiliation with the wasilla assembly of god and the wonderful rev. muthee and all the other "joe six-pack" ideas that they spout. she just opened up one of the doors that the media have been reluctant to walk thru. won't it be fun to see her being blessed from witchcraft on the evening news? or in the audience when the jews for jesus guy went on his rant? or. . . well you get the picture. it'll make the rev. wright thing look tame. c'mon, it'll be fun!

Witches for Obama!

Maybe she should continue to mock community organizing.

I know Joe Six-Pack. You're no Joe Six-Pack.

I am so sick of this woman.

She must have a really low estimation of a) Americans and b) what it takes to do the job she's running for. She is a national joke.

Here's another thing...her son hasn't called her???? What is that about?

My son served in Iraq. He not only called his girlfriend, when he could, he also called me.

Her discussion of that makes me wonder what sort of relationship they have. I'm very close with my children. I can't imagine why he wouldn't call her, except...

You get the idea. Why would she say such a thing???

Oliphant.

His cartoon was brutally funny, but it was indeed criticized for taking direct aim at Palin's religion.

is she serious? Joe six-pack? that's screaming to be a parody on SNL or something....

i want smart, capable people in positions of responsibility. I don't want joe six pack removing my appendix either....jeezus..

kiva

No Sarah, we don't hate you, we just don't want another George Bush anywhere near the Whitehouse, it's just that simple.

I did see something on CNN about the church Palin used to belong to. Basically the church had put out an ad saying that Alaska would be a haven during the apocalypse. I'm summarizing a lot here, and I didn't watch the whole thing because it was on at the reception desk at my office (ie, if I'd stopped to watch for longer than a few minutes, I'd've looked unprofessional). But the coverage was serious and seemed to raise legitimate questions. Not mocking, and certainly no more unfair to her than the Rev. Wright stuff was to Obama.

I think I've seen her religion mocked on The Daily Show, and maybe on the Tonight Show--but that's their job.