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Palin Keeps Up Attack On Ayers, Obama's Patriotism

Sarah Palin continues attacking Obama's character and patriotism and raising William Ayers in Clearwater, Florida, this morning, though today she adds a new layer of dishonesty to the attack, taking a previous quote from an Obama adviser out of context to assert that Obama has lied about his closeness to the former Weatherman.

From the prepared remarks:

Barack Obama said Ayers was just someone in the neighborhood. But that's less than truthful. His own top advisor said they were, quote, "certainly friendly." In fact, Obama held one of the first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers's home. And they've worked together on various projects in Chicago.

These are the same guys who think "patriotism" is paying higher taxes. (Remember what his running mate Joe Biden said!) This is not a man who sees America as you and I do -- as the greatest force for good in the world. This is someone who sees America as "imperfect enough" to work with a former domestic terrorist who targeted his own country.

The "certainly friendly" line is a reference to this interview with top Obama strategist David Axelrod. In it, he said:

"Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school," he said. "They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together."

Palin left out the qualifier, obviously. Separately, Palin's use of Ayers to question Obama's patriotism makes it perfectly legitimate to point out that Palin repeatedly courted a secessionist group founded by someone who openly professed his hatred for the American government and cursed our "damn flag." And Palin's husband was a member of the group for years.

More Palin excerpts after the jump.

Evidently, there's been a lot of interest in what I read lately. Well, I was reading my copy of The New York Times the other day, and I was really interested to read about Barack's friends from Chicago.

Turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers. And according to The New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, "launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol."

Wow. And there's even more to the story. Barack Obama said Ayers was just someone in the neighborhood. But that's less than truthful. His own top advisor said they were, quote, "certainly friendly." In fact, Obama held one of the first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers's home. And they've worked together on various projects in Chicago.

These are the same guys who think "patriotism" is paying higher taxes. (Remember what his running mate Joe Biden said!) This is not a man who sees America as you and I do -- as the greatest force for good in the world. This is someone who sees America as "imperfect enough" to work with a former domestic terrorist who targeted his own country.

This, ladies and gentlemen, has nothing to do with the kind of change anyone can believe in -- not my kids and not your kids. What we believe in is what Ronald Reagan believed in! That America is "a shining city on a hill for all mankind to see" that America is a good and honorable nation, and that the virtues of freedom are worth fighting for! The only man who can take on Washington is John McCain.



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While the Obama camp SHOULD point out those things about Palin, for the first time ever I really actually think the argument that McCain is trying to distract from the financial crisis is actually pretty powerful.

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You are absolutely correct... Go after the economy, economy, economy with a touch of the Keating 5 and the Alaska Independent Party!

Obama and the dems need to go after that sick 'Yenta' Sarah Palin. Go after husband Todd and the Kids.

No.

SP is a joke, and is treated by anyone outside of the Rep/fundie base as such. The dems and Obama shouldn't dignify her comments (except to maybe mention that she's lying again), she hasn't earned a place at the grownups table.

Leave her and her husband to the tabloids and blogs, and leave her kids alone. They've got enough trouble on their hands, considering who they've got for parents.

I agree. It definitely seems like this is how the campaign is playing it. Besides, way more damning is that she is the subject of an ongoing legislative investigation. Still, that is a topic for surrogates and hopefully (though not likely) for the MSM to explore. Obama needs to stay focused on the economy and the issues. If he does that, he will "win" the town hall debate, which notoriously dislike slanderous character attacks.

I mostly agree that Palin and family only deserve public attention on the cover of the National Enquire. That's where America's trailer trash get their printed news; their televised news is off Fox. Keep her corralled in just a few venues that are Palin-friendly and her message doesn't go far.

But when she ventures outside of her ring of viciousness, then hammer her. Hold her up to the same standards as everyone else. If she fails to quote a source or mangles a quote from a source, show her the same amount of mercy given to Biden for forgetting once to credit a source he had used many times before.

Being treated equal is not sexist. It's part of the reasonable expectations one must endure in public life. That includes taking hard knocks. So far, Palin hasn't taken any.

Who said anything about sexism? I think going after Palin is just bad strategy. She should be treated as the fringe extremist and unqualified candidate that she is. Talking about her family or what not just makes her the subject of the news cycle, not the economy. That is precisely what the McCain camp wants, which is one reason why they have her saying this crap. Going after her is a distraction, and thankfully everyone seems to know it.

She should not be held to the same standards as Biden, but instead to the same standards as Hannity: "What else do you expect from a lying, extremist, fear mongerer?" Why dignify their temper tantrum by going after them?

The focus should be on McCain. He has plenty of bad associations and dirty skeletons to keep everybody busy for the next 30 days. Think of it as: we have more significant fish to fry than this insignificant liar and hate mongerer.

I agree that the campaign should stay away from attacking Palin. However, there's nothing wrong with unofficial surrogates in the media going after her.

Well, that's what I said in my post above. But I think "going after her" is too strong of a way to put it. There's no need to dig things up on her or her family. Just point out that she is the subject of a legislative investigation. She's refusing to show up for her subpoena a la Karl Rove style, because she apparently thinks she's above the law.

Going after her family will only further enable her relentless victim whining. While I don't think it will be effective in terms of wooing voters, it will keep the MSM busy on that story, rather than the real ones: the economy and health care.

I think the fact that her husband was involved in a secessionist group is relevant. I'm sorry, I do. The minute Palin brought up Ayers it put it on the table.

palin's own connections to the alaskan secessionists are real enough that going after 'todd' directly is best left for the msm.

The msm? As opposed to who? I'm not in any way suggesting that the Obama campaign do it.

actually there's nothing wrong with biden going after her. she's the VP candidate, he's the VP candidate. but he should do it dismissively and move quickly to discussing the top of the ticket. have a quick glass houses and stones line about her connections to an alaskan secessionist group. don't let the mccain campaign's smears change the subject, but acknowledge them and move on to what the american people want to hear about.

I just don't see what good this does. Who will it convince? It just makes it look like they have to resort to the same tactics McCain does.

This seems especially illogical, to me, since she is currently the subject of an ethics investigation and refuses to show up for her own subpoena--even after agreeing to cooperate with the investigation. I just think there is enough stuff directly about her political actions, that there's no reason to bring up the AIP.

This to me is like Keating 5--it is relevant to how she will handle her job. The AIP stuff smacks of Ayers to me because it brings up the same objections: do you have any proof that she supports secession? Do you really think she will help Alaska secede as the VP? I can't honestly believe that you do.

Let's stay focused on the egomaniacal, above-the-law way that she runs her government.

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You know, the one constant since Palin was announced has been reams of comments about how we can't attack her.

It's bullshit.

The point of bring up the AIP is not to destroy her with it....it's to blunt their arguments in regards to Ayers.

OK, but you still haven't answered how this will work or who it will convince. Why won't it just seem like tit-for-tat politics as usual, and enable Palin to keep it up? How would it result in anything else? How will it not just put Palin in the media spotlight, rather than get them back to the economy, which is the issue Obama is clearly, overwhelmingly winning on?

Teena, I'm not saying we "can't" attack her. That's silly. I'm asking what good bringing up the AIP will actually do. Especially in light of the current investigation that she's thwarting. Why not bring that up instead? That stuff, to me, isn't attacking, like this Ayers garbage is, it's bringing up relative political and public activity, like Keating 5.

Just what I said...it will blunt the attacks on Ayers. If Palin believes that Obama should be held responsible for Ayers crimes, then shouldn't Palin be held responsible for the anti-American ravings of political party that she associated with? Do you think she wants to answer to that? If she wants to talk about Wright...fine...then let her answer for her own crazy pastor who believes that Jews should be converted and homosexuality can be prayed away. This isn't rocket science.

But who on earth will make her answer to that? She has no more debates, won't take questions from the press, and is only doing interviews with Hannity and Kristol from here on it. So, yes, Biden could bring it up. But what would that actually do to make her stop? Do you think her rabid base that attends these rallies is going to boo her for talking about Ayers? Or Kristol will ask her hard-hitting questions about the AIP, because Biden brings it up?

Sarah Palin:

The product of the adulterous affair between Spiro Agnew and G. W. Bush?

or a lying, cynical bitch?

Thanks Greg for reminding all about Palin and her hubby's literally un-American activities. People need to know more about these people's pro-treason agenda.

They sent out Sarah Palin to attach Obama for having a pastor who said some off-the-wall shit? Are you effing kidding me?

It's like they're so desperate to change the subject from the economy that they're willing to pick a fight over whether attending churches featuring an actual witchhunter and end times theology that's so insane that even her exceptionally loony denomination condemned it as heresy is within the mainstream.

Attack, not attach. (So are we going to see those cool new editing tools anytime before the election, guys?)

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"(So are we going to see those cool new editing tools anytime before the election, guys?)"
The only true non-partisan issue out there!

Most of us are nice enough to realize what the intended word was and read past without giving it a second thought. As if no one else has very done it.
No harm intended, no harm done.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Barack Obama attracting 52% of the vote while John McCain earns 44%. This is the highest level of support ever recorded for Obama and is his largest lead of the year.

I love the smell of Mccain desparation in the morning

This is not bad at all for polling that contains mostly weekend data.

You got it all wrong. You should say:

I just love the smell of a napalmed campaign waifing in the cool morning air

I love this quote from the Rasmussen poll analysis as well: "It is worth noting that Obama’s lead is now bigger than any lead enjoyed at any point by either candidate in Election 2004."

Let Wassherman Schultz or HRC play the AIP card

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It's a decent attempt at making headlines.

Unfortunately for the Palin/McCain ticket, today's economic news will leave them below the fold.

There seems to me an even more nastiness to this since Biden is off the campaign trail as his family deals with the passing of Jill's mother, and thus is not out there to respond.

I worry that Biden is just too collegial-friendly with McCain -- not to mention too much a natural gentleman -- to do attack dog politics. Sister Palin has it in her blood. She loves every nasty lie that comes out of her mouth.

I disagree re: Biden. I bet you dimes to donuts he will attack McCain.

I doubt he can get anywhere near the level of "pal of terrorists". Which is a good thing, don't get me wrong. Still, his rhetoric has to be much sharper, more pointed. "Gambler", "temperamentally unsuited", "erratic", and "chameleon" are some of the "bites" that come to mind. He's got to get attention in the MSM. Look at how much air time Palin is getting for her "pal of terrorists" jibes alone. Biden can't be prefacing his remarks with "John McCan is a friend of mine..." He has to go at him and not let up. IMHO

I hear ya. I agree re: sharpening attacks and the language used to do it.

I think part of it also is that the debate is over. There is no longer the threat of being called out on the bs. She can say whatever she wants because they aren't going to let her do any more interviews and she won't have to answer to it. In fact, I think this is something the Obama campaign should say every chance they get - "It's easy to make wild claims when you won't ever go in front of the media and have to answer to it."

Yes, but interestingly, she doesn't seem to realize that she could very well be ruining her long-term career. It is clear that she is thoroughly ambitious, which is the only reason she took this gig, rather than having the smarts to stay away from what looked like it would be a losing endeavor and would risk her coming out "too early."

If people's impressions of her end up being that she is a racist fear mongerer who can only play to the base, which it looks more and more like it will be, I think her future in the Republican party is in jeopardy. Assuming they lose in 2008, not only will she be damaged goods, but so will McCain's campaign strategy, which will clearly be remembered as intensely negative campaigning. Huckabee has successfully appealed to the base, while appearing to be rational and ethical. He will seem a much safer and smarter bet in 2012, and will likely crush Palin even with her base support group.

I honestly thought she was politically savvy enough to use this campaign for her own benefit no matter what: help them win and get to be VP and a credible presidential candidate; if they lose, present herself as a capable rising star in order to make herself a viable candidate in '12. She's letting herself be used, and given the likelihood of their ship sinking, it seems like a fairly dumb decision.

Nope too bleeding shabby and Ras usually has a republican slant. I sense tomorrow's debate is going to get nasty. Mccain has little choice but to toss out as much mud as he can. Obama just needs to stay calm and focused on message, economy, economy and some health care.

As long as the MSM allows her to conduct hate speech rallies and no be challenged for the accuracy of what she says, we have to endure. There has to be a public backlash in order to send a message to her what she's saying is out of line. Unfortunately, the people at her rallies are enthralled with her and what she says. McCain has succeeded is scaring the MSM in to line. They report about the rally, who was there, what was said and leave it at that. As if the content of the speech has been vetted and filtered for accuracy before hand and the MSM need not analyze otherwise the message will be muddled with irrelevant facts.

Decent my pale white a**. It is a shameless attempt to play shiny object with the MSM. Mccain's camapign has become bitter, chaotic and nasty. Ity truly is silly season when the economy is still looking like a revealed Narc at a biker rally and Ms Lipstick is playing puerile your guilt by assoc is worse than his games.

I remember James Carville once saying something that certainly applies here: "Remember, when a skunk is cornered, *that's* when it sprays." Indeed.

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Take a look at the economy in the rest of the world this morning - and they're talking about a 60s radical.

That's relevant to bouncing banks in Europe -

Completely agree. We're looking at a possible global collapse. And these losers want to talk about a culture war. They couldn't be more detached.

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The economy is scaring me to death.

Me too. Check out James Kunstler's blog. Scary stuff.

http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/

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No, they're talking about the current Democratic nominee for President and his relationship to an unrepentant 60's radical who was part of a terrorist organization, and how the nominee has lied about the relationship.

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Wallace - I was a 60s radical.

I don't give a shit.

Nobody else does, either. That was 40 years ago and it's meaningless.

It has nothing to do with anything that is an issue right now. Nothing.

Yeah, me too. I'm scratching my head trying to remember it all, but I'm too riveted to the present economic freakout and this epochal campaign to be taking walks down memory lane. To hell with that crap. I'm expecting a notice any day now from my pension fund informing me that haven't sufficient liquidity to do any more payouts. I'll be royally screwed. Still, I plan one more $200 donation this month before hitting the road or moving into Hooverville. Jesus this is weird!

So what? I haven't heard McCain denounce Liddy...a "friend" that admitted he planned to assasinate a journalist deemed "unfriendly" to Nixon.

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LOL - Wallace comes out of hiding for this? Your boy is way down in the polls, his VP pick is the butt of late night jokes, the economy is faltering and the best McCain can do is to try to rehash long debunked nonsense? Good luck with that as I'm sure it won't make McCain look beyond desperate. :eyeroll:

My how the mighty have fallen. Not you SFC Wallace. You are the last person I would think would parrot this bullshit. Are you saying Obama is a terrorist? Of course not. Are you saying that because of his work on a non-profit board he sympathizes with Ayers' late 60's activities and positions? That would be laughable.

This is why the Republican Party is a dying party. The intellectual dishonesty is so rampant it is collapsing from the weight of its own ignorance. Palin is the future of your party and it is a very dim future indeed.

Oh lawd.

Those '60s radicals sure aint what they used to be- fundraisers for their children's schools? What sell outs...

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'Alas - we all got older and became what we were radicalling against.

It just happens.

Funny that the State Bar of Texas had no problem admitting me and the Illinois State Bar had no problem admitting Obama and I guess y'all don't know, but you can't get a license if you've been in serious trouble -

what's the lie??

are obama and ayers actually BROTHERS?!!!

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The lie is Obama said Ayersw is just some guy that lives in his neighborhood, when in fact Ayers hosted an event for Obama in his early political days, they have served on several boards together and given speeches together...none of which is anything "bad"....the bad part is why is Obama lying about it? Does he feel there's something wrong with the relationship? Is there more to the story?...Why keep lying about it?

So? Let's say it's true. So what? Do you think Obama's a radical? Do you think he's going to start bombing things? Has he ever in his professional life done anything to show that he sympathizes with the views held by Ayers 40 years ago?

C'mon, you guys have to make up your minds. Is he a radical terrorist or is he a pussy who can't stand up to Iran?

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I, personally, just wonder why he lies about the relationship if it's no big deal. Makes you wonder.

You are like McCain-you need to finish the debate with yourself first. First you make insinuation that Obama's association with Ayers makes him sympathetic to Ayers past. Then you say its Obama's supposed "lying" thats the issue?

You guys are shouting, but are being drowned out by reality. It really is tragic that it has come to this. Seriously, what is your plan to fix the economy? Calling Obama names?

Unreal.

I have actually talked to Ayres about is past. He is repentant. He feels that setting off bombs was not the right thing to do.

McFailin' can fling their feces, but with the current economic headlines, the Keating Five bomb is about to blow up in their faces.

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Except McCain was exonerated in the Keating five investigation and he hasn't lied about his relationship with Keating...unlike your guy and Ayers...oh and Charles Keating never bombed the Pentagon...

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Ok you moral dwarf, let's talk about who has been in prison = one of McCain's closest friends spent 5 years in the federal pen for crimes against America - G. Gordon Liddy.

William Ayers was never charged with anything - you're a liar.

Oh, and Gordon Libby wrote a book in which he talked about bears raping little girls. This is actually true.

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"William Ayers was never charged with anything - you're a liar."
Wrong again...he was charged, along with other members, for the bombings. Prosecutorial misconduct led to evidence being tossed and charges being dropped....not the same thing as being "innocent." Since you're a lawyer, I'm sure you're aware of this stuff, which would make who the liar?


You win the argument. Ayer's was a shithead 40 years ago. Obama associated with him.

Would you like a prize? How about losing 25% on your 401(k) and wondering how to send your kid to college? Congratulations. Character assasination should work wonders for this economic crisis.

It's really shameful to see smart people sink this low.

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Technically, McCain was admonished for his role in the Keating 5. McCain has even written that it was one of the biggest mistakes in his political career.

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Exonerated? No, not exactly.

He got off on a technicality.

The Senate Ethics Committee did not pursue, for lack of jurisdiction, any possible ethics breaches in McCain's delayed reimbursements to Keating for trips at the latter's expense, because they occurred while McCain was in the House. The House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct said that it too lacked jurisdiction, because McCain was no longer in the House.

Can you name a single, solitary "favor" that Obama might have done for Ayers? Did Ayers host the Obama family at his island getaway? Did Michelle invest in property with Ayers? Did Obama speak to regulators on Ayers behalf?

Most importantly, the fact that McCain has Rick "Fannie Mae's best friend" Davis in charge of his campaign proves that McCain didn't learn a single damn thing from the scandal.

McCain himself had to publicly apologize in order to save his political hide. His involvement will reek to high heaven to voters during this financial crisis.

What a vicious, nasty little woman she is. I think McCain's right about one thing: they ARE soulmates.

let the tabloids have Sarah Palin. We should not give her any coverage.

I propose this tabloid headline.

McCain's Organ Grinder Monkey Flings Feces.

Obama has to keep up the offensive. But put everything in context with the economy etc. McHorseshit is just flailing in his own, you know, stuff.

From:

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http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In..."McCain Goes Negative"

In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode...McCain Goes Negative!



McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.

A walnut slips to the floor.

McCain: Damn nutcracker!

Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: "J.M + S.P." This is then crossed out and replaced by "S.P. + J.M.". These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.

McCain: Well, the first plan didn't work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn't called the commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"

Palin: But...didn't you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?

McCain stops pacing, looks at Palin silently. He is smiling through tight lips but he is holding back anger.

McCain: "I think the time has come. We have to call in...Dr. Negative."

He pushes a large black button, which is the only button on a red phone on his desk.

Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book "Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse...for Dummies!" is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.

Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden's subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite--and the midwife was a Trotskyite!

McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.

Sarah: Oh, we've already met.

Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!

Sarah: You betcha'!

Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative's telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing "...illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers..."

Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.

Dr. Negative: Just practicing.

There is a pause.

McCain: That's fine, Dr. Negative. That's fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.

Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor--buttons reading "Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!"; business cards, reading "Push Polls Anonymous--We Call, They Fall" and "Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched"; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.

Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I'm ready! I'm ready!

Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical...

Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word "Radical" He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.

Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes...Yes...

McCain: You'll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth...

Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled "Rumor Mill". He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.

Dr. Negative: Yes...Yes...

He is salivating.

McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia--bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.

Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that's easy. They'll eat anything.

Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled "Minutia: So-called "Proof" for the Right". He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled "How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses", "The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!" and "You TOO Can Be A Warrior--From Your Own Couch!" fall to the floor.

Sarah plucks out the "Faked Moon Landings" book. She starts reading.

McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.

Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.

Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?

McCain: It is very difficult. Very...dark.

Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?

McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?

The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.

Dr. Negative: You mean...(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).

McCain (nodding): Yes.

Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled "Joker" brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.

McCain nods.

Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife--holding it from it very farthest end--and flips open the top of the pack.

Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.

McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember--no fingerprints!

Next episode: The smoke is cleared.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

nobody reads this, not here, not in tapper, no where you post this.

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I'm getting repetitive stress syndrome in my index finger having to scroll past this drivel every day.

Can someone please ban this asshole already? His ramblings are getting longer and longer and they're sucking up bandwith. It's getting ridiculous.

Second'd

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Second. This person is only using the commenting feature here to spam for their blog. S/He doesn't engage in any sort of conversation or even comment on the subject at hand. I think a banning would be in order.

Quadrupled. Enough of this spam already.

Single space this crap so I can scroll through faster.

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the problem with this Ayers nonsense is McCain and Palin are preaching to the choir. People who are already not supporting Obama will listen and those who do support Obama don't care. And the ones in between will no doubt be turned off by these shameless attacks. So, Palin can bitch all she wants.

Exactly Nulook. And that has been the problem with McCain's entire strategy, though even moreso lately. Even the Palin pick has been a hugely hurtful force to his campaign I think. It caused a temporary bump because of the hysteria around him picking some unknown ex-beauty queen from Alaska. All it did was shine more light on his campaign and of course energize the radical evangelicals. But as the days went on and people actually heard from Palin her numbers plummeted and dragged him down. Now she's out their preaching to the choir (i.e. hard core evangelicals) but she can't offer the ticket ANYTHING amongst the majority of the population who just sees her as a political ploy who is extremely dumb and incompetent. We're in the middle of an economic crisis and the Democratic ticket has two people who are displaying leadership, strength, and intelligence while the Republican ticket has one person who is erratic and uninformed and another person who is just plain dumb and comes across as a national joke. Even the more serious conservatives recognize this.

Donate. Money, time, energy.

The Obama camp can't make the Keating 5 videos and put their ads on air if they don't have money. Give, give, give. Donate, donate, donate.

the problem with this Ayers nonsense is McCain and Palin are preaching to the choir. People who are not supporting Obama will listen and those who do support Obama don't care. And the ones in between will no doubt be turned off by these shameless attacks. So, Palin can bitch all she wants.

The other problem is that it's old news. If there is some new revelation, then I might have some concern. But if they're going to recycle Hillary's attacks, well, wake me in 31 days.

And the really big picture is that a campaign that's still working overtime to rally its base on Oct. 6 is in pretty deep shit.

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Seriously.

Ayers, Wright - who cares? They tried it and that's all they have. That is the kind of man Obama is - this is all they can come up with. And it's stale and irrelevant.


There will be some major backlash coming from Palin's use of "Never again" for the Wall Steet problems,,,,, "Never again" refers to the Holocost,,,,, to equate massive genocide with economic reversal and realignment is a scandal of epic porportions,,,,, and then some.

Palin not only means 'backwards',,,, it also means dumbass.

Billy have been doing so from the dusty plains of Afg.

NILAP is a shameless cuckold whose sole goal in life mirrors Nicole Kidman in to die for aka "anything to get ahead"

Hey Wallace -- Promise to come back here on Nov. 5 and take your medicine. Because your ticket of two disgusting liars is going to get crushed, and we are all going to dance on its grave.

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I'll be here until I get banned for nonconformity.

Hillary's attacks worked against core Democratic voters! She won PA, won Indiana, crushed us in WV, KY, TN. So Independents may flock back to McCain because Obama's associations make them uncomfortable.

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O Noes!

We're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMED!


(And Karl Rove is a genius)

From one dude to another... I don't recall Clinton bringing up anything remotely close to what Palin is regurgitating. It's one thing to attack a health plan or foreign policy position. It's another to build an entire PR campaign around a single fundraiser from over a decade ago.

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Actually, that's wrong. In fact, Clinton HERSELF brought up Ayres at least once during a debate with Obama. One of the many reasons I'll never forgive her - and yet I now thank her for being so slimey because this all came out and was shrugged off months ago.

But Hillary did try to use this.

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She brought up Rezko, not Ayers.

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She brought up Ayers then Obama snapped back with the pardoned bomber stuff...remember?

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No, sorry, wrong. She did attack him on Ayres. April 16 debate. STEPHANOPOULOS brought it up but she was ready and ran with it. Here it is:

CLINTON: Well, I think that is a fair general statement, but I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position.

And, if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York and, I would hope, to every American, because they were published on 9/11, and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more.

And what they did was set bombs. And in some instances, people died. So it is -- I think it is, again, an issue that people will be asking about.

And I have no doubt -- I know Senator Obama's a good man and I respect him greatly, but I think that this is an issue that certainly the Republicans will be raising.

And it goes to this larger set of concerns about how we are going to run against John McCain. You know, I wish the Republicans would apologize for the disaster of the Bush-Cheney years and not run anybody, just say that it's time for the Democrats to go back into the White House.

link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=2


She was a slimebag. So Obama's ready for McCain.


I believe if Sarah does not want to give interviews anything she says should not be reported... Damn it... whats wrong with the MSM

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The MSM is not throwing this election to McLame-Painful. Not this time - quit bitching - they've been doing their jobs.

George Will, Charles Krauthammer and Bobo Brooks all have bailed on McLame and said he's unfit.'

The MSM is on our side this time - in case you haven't noticed - they've done their jobs. I never expected this, but they've gotten the message.


I second that. It's total bs that the media is giving her any coverage.

BREAKING: The Dow Jones just fell below 10,000 points and the Palin-McCain ticket wants to change the subject? well, i don't think so....lol

But Ayers . . . look at Ayers. 1968. Come on. Don't worry about the Dow. Worry about whether Obama was secretly plotting to destroy the US government from Hawai'i as a member in absentia of Weather Underground. That's the story. 40 years ago. Not today.

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Yeah and he was 7 years old when he was in league with Ayers.

God this is without a doubt one of the dumbest smears of all time. Which just shows you what kind of guy Obama is - this is all they got. This and a retired United Church if Christ minister.

That's some weak shit, man.

I would more concern if this was just hitting the airwaves.... its OLD NEWS

Palin is disposable. She has nothing to lose by launching ridiculous assertions and embarrassing herself by pushing tenuous tales. She either hasn't woken up to the fact that she's being used by McCain or she is just so eager for some political limelight that she doesn't care.

I don't doubt that the "underlying dynamics of this race" are strongly in Obama's favor at this point, but I still worry that once again McCain -- through his sharp instrument Sarah Palin -- is going to start cutting up Obama and making this race much closer than it needs to be. "Keating economics" just doesn't have the resonance of "palling around with terrorists", "dangerous to the troops", and "less than truthful." "Erratic" is good and really needs to be pushed. Also "gambler", "nation of whiners", "chameleon", and "temperamentally unsound." There so many quotes from fellow Republican senators and other past McCain associates to the effect that McCain is completely unsuited to be President, to the point, even, of being scary. Why aren't these being used?

BTW, Ayers is definitely going to come up in tomorrow's debate. I saw Brokaw pumping the issue on MTP yesterday. I have a sneaky feeling he's going to be this debate cycle's George Stephanopolous.

I'm very concerned about Brokaw too -- he's in McCain's tank.

Brokaw was an unbelievable tool on Meet the Press yesterday. He ended the whole thing by giving a little lecture about how all of this is really the people's faults because of their credit card debt. Not only is this a mind-bogglingly simplification of the economic crisis, it is utterly unbelievable that a man who has made millions upon millions because he has a good face and a nice voice would lecture people at a time when incomes have been falling and prices have been rising. When the hell has Brokaw ever had to worry about health care?

But I digress. Despite my utter hatred of the man and his faux credibility, I think it is good that this is the debate that he is moderating. The town hall style does not lend itself to interruption or grandstanding by the moderator. I do suspect that the questions he approves will have a bias to them, but honestly, Obama should be able to handle that. He's going to continue to get that kind of crap if elected, and he needs to show that he can take it. (I'm not saying that makes it fair or right, but just that this bias will be a reality against him for some time.)

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I hope so - I really hope McLame is stupid enough to bring up Ayers - if only the little baby jebus loves me that much -

I say let him bring it up. Obama can set the record straight, blast McCain for playing the smear game with McCain right there (and possibly getting McCain to blow his top), and then pivot to the "we need to be addressing the big problems we're facing."

I agree, this could cause Mount McCain to finally blow....just something simple, like, "If we're going to discuss past acquaintances,let's not forget Senator McCain's good friend Charles Keating, or Governor Palin's associates at the secessionist, anti-American Alaska Independence Party. They have just as little relevance to our current economic crisis, which is what we should be talking about. [PIVOT]"

....tick tick tick....KABOOM!

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Yup yup!

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As per another post I made here, Hillary brought it up during a debate. Obama's response was, "I was 8 years old when this guy did this stuff." That pretty much ended it. I think that'll be the response again.

Keating Five does have resonance, it depends on who carries the message.

Keating Five is so relevent to today's events that Obama should rightly focus there...but his surrogates should focus on the nugget that Begala brought up yesterday on Meet the Press:

But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”

I think "palling around with antisemites who used "communist" smears as a way to target jews" has a certain ring to it, especially in light of Joe McCain's comment yesterday that Northern Virginia is "communist country."

Exactly! More of that, please. Also, I'd like to hear more about the Palins' involvement in that secessionist group up in Alaska. Was there anything behind that? Why isn't that being put out front?

Begala earned my respect with that line. Gotta give credit where credit is due. And it was the first time I had ever heard of this group.

BTW, the line about the "Communists" in Arlington was still on the crawl this AM one of the DC-area channels (Channel 9, IIRC).

Speaking of creepy associations, I had forgotten about McCain's own contacts with confederate fan boys:

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/01/03/partisan/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cliff-schecter/john-mccains-white-suprem_b_99014.html

Hell, these asshats don't fear Barack Obama for being the second coming of JFK--or even FDR.

He's like the second coming of Lincoln himself.

And we know how certain southerners feel about THAT.

SFC Wallace should come visit me I love to enlighten my fellow military brothers :)

Man that Ras poll makes me smile. Mccain can grouse all he wants, simple answer 'Scoreboard'

That bitch didn't even offer condolences to Biden, and attacked him on the stump today.

I was just thinking the same thing. She's a soulless, vapid shrew.

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It did not go unnoticed that when Joe teared up the other night, she ignored that too and just kept giggling, winking and lying.

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That was disgusting! Lack of empathy is one of the hallmarks of sociopathy!

Runnin on empty...

Skies really? Have you seen the economic news this morn? Yeh I think Ayers will be an afterthought very shortly

Let's just call it what it is! Palin is holding hate rallies against Obama. It was clear from her speech at the Republican Convention what her role would be.

McCain needed someone to go out, get down & dirty & stir up racial tensions, imply Obama is a Muslim & anti-American. Palin does it well.

Her campaign appearances are nothing but hate rallies!

If she wasn't enough to make you want to puke, today they had people behind her dressed so that they made the image of the American flag.

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Hate Rallies.

Sign of Fascism?

The Dow Jones falling this morning.. EXCELLENT NEWS FOR BO...its all about the economy.

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well yes, but it's not really excellent news for anybody.

Please don't say that the tanking market is good news for Obama. It really effects people's livelihoods and should be kept in perspective.

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Word.

This is really scary.

Are you that stupid? This is bad news for everyone. Including the future President who will be handed a big pile of crap. Yeah, excellent news. Ass.

NILAP by doing this is losing her "aw shucks" meme. The voters can are not dumb and Mccain by allowing NILAP a platform of hate takes her away her only weapon aka the "she is one of us," crap Lowry et al would have us believe. The base will lap it up but the base it dimminishing like oxygen at a republican party

We are approaching the target... target in sight... open the bomb bay doors... Prepare to drop the KEATING FIVE in five, four, three, two...

I love how she points out she read about this in HER copy of the NYT. What, she's a subscriber? Bet the base loves that!

God, what an embarrasment for our country.

....um, I think that was Scooter Libby. But hey, he's a law breaking prick too...

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It was and he is.


meant as reply to flufferwink. sorry

LoLo not excellent news, it may help BO but none of us wishes the economy to tank

Poor Sarah Palin can't stop lying, even about trivial things. In the actual video, she screws up her line. Her prepared remarks say: "Well, I was reading my copy of The New York Times the other day." But if you look at the video she actually says, "Today I was reading my copy of the New York Times...and...it was a day late." But, of course, since she talked about it yesterday, her copy of the NYT clearly wasn't late. (Unless her problem is that she reads the New York Times but she gets the same day's paper over and over again.)

It's trivial but it does betray something about her nature: instead of realizing she screwed up her line and correcting it, she instinctively covers it up with a lie--blames it on the New York Times--without batting an eyelash.

Palin will not even appear on Meet the Press, or any other non-propagandistic media platform, and yet the Press still gives her publicity to spout nonsense?

If I were the Obama campaign, I would, instead of responding at all to the CONTENT of Palin's assertions, simply mock the fact that she's unwilling to be seriously interviewed by anyone, anywhere. How can you take her seriously at all?

Good idea. Build up the image of Palin as totally controlled by handlers, unable to formulate a thought or sentence of her own. Demand that she stop hiding and giving canned answers and submit to the tests that every other candidate has to withstand. Why should she get special treatment?

But, most mainstream press will try to get both sides of the story. Especially if one side refuses to talk to them. So instead of just interviewing Palin, they get some Obama people and a McCain mouthpiece and the question gets raised, "isn't this a sign of desperation?" Likely, if they got Palin, they would just talk to her -- granted, that would be a bigger risk considering the subject.

In other words, without her getting interviewers' time, time would more likely be granted to our side.

the obama campaign shouldn't do it but every single obama campaign surrogate ought to.

'why are we even taking sarah palin seriously? she won't even give live interviews or hold a press conference. how can anyone talk about the mccain campaign with a straight face?? this is ridiculous. it is an insult to voters and it is an insult to american democracy!'

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Poor Sarah Palin couldn't tell the truth if it bit her - she lied about divesting Alaska from Darfur even - and she brought that up herself.


So whoever is running John McCain's team must have shouted "Loose the Hounds!". They were all over the place this weekend. From my perspective it resembled an orchestrated tirade: we're losing and we've tried everything and oh,you know, I'm just going to scream because I just can't take it anymore!!!

When this is all over, if Obama wins, if McCain returns to the Senate, will anyone ever again say "I know John McCain, he's a friend of mine"? Every time Biden says he's a friend of McCain I want to punch his light out!

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It's a big fat temper tantrum.

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Stocking Market dropping >300 points and
World Market dropping will trump all.

It will still be: "It's the economy, stupid".

Sara Palin - a noun, a verb, and a lie.

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How true!

Not quite.

With Palin it's more like: "verb, noun, adjective, adjective, adjective, noun, adverb, verb, misplaced modifier, noun, lie, dangling preposition..."

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LOL- yes.

And her mangling of English has also not gone unnoticed.

Check this out folks: Sarah Palin said this yesterday.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/10/05/in-slip-up-palin-calls-afghanistan-our-neighboring-country/


“They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.

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Not only does she steal Joe Biden's line about building schools, she's so damn dumb she can't even get what she stole right.

When Karzai rears his head, you know, into American airspace...

Here is my perspective. My stomach is always nervous about the American electorate. The numbers seem to be really strong, and they are holding day by day. If they hold for the next 7 to 10 days, I am guessing they're going to stay there until Obama is handily elected President.

But do you want to know what boosts my confidence? When people like SFCWALLACE start spewing their hate-filled tirades tinged with racism...I "KNOW" things are looking very very bad for mcCain and the Republicans.

Each angry, aggressive, bitter post is like a hug from Jesus.

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Your jitters may be the election and may be something else - my stomach has been killing me - but it's the economy, not the election.

Ms. HTX. How about I change my avatar to the pix of Palin fromn the Fox clearwater rally and my username to "Yearning for Zarah?"

I feel the same way. When I read Kristol's column this morning, I realized this is pretty much over. They can't even credibly bring up one positive idea. This is the ultimate undoing of the people that hate government. 9/11, Katrina, and now the Credit Crisis, all show precisely why we need competent Government. Their model is destroyed, and they can't put it back together again.

They can piss and moan and throw shit on their way out the door though.

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Ban Robert Hewson. Rec and add your name by clicking below:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/public-service-ban-robert-hews.php

You know what really bothers me about Ayers and Obama and domestic terrorism? Which was the last terrorist attack from domestic origin? Oklahoma City building. Who perpetrated it? A right wing nut. If any local terrorism is gonna happen, it is much more likely going to come from that side than from the left. But somehow they are selling that the left are close to bombthrowers.
I think somebody should counteract this message.

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yes, and I hope Obama points out that MCCAIN voted against anti-terrorism legislation in the early 90s because it was directed at anti-abortion groups doing the bombing.

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That's pretty rich comig from someone who palled around with a group led by a guy who says he "has no use for" the United States and "loathe" the American flag.

See how easy it is?

Yes, I think Obama must apologizes for the fact that his failure to suspend his childhood and denounce Ayers when he was eight. Otherwise the Dow wuld be above 15,000.

I don't understand why that Bush debate/Palin debate juxtaposition video isn't an ad. It would make an outstanding ad. She needs to be discredited once and for all.

BTW, Palin didn't divest any monies out of the Sudan either. She was, as always, talking smack, with no substance to back it up. She knows HER base doesn't fact check.

Also, to keep focus on the international economic meltdown, McCain's guilt by association needs to include lots of Phil Gramm references. The Washington Post discusses more about that at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/05/AR2008100501816.html?hpid=opinionsbox1.

The real October surprise will be when people begin looking at their 3rd quarter 401k statements. Some people are obsessive, like me, and look at their fund balances on a regular basis. Others just wait for the mail. There are basically no safe investments left and people will really grasp how this economic meltdown is affecting Main Street when they see how their monies have been squandered.

University of Illinois at Chicago is a secret terrorist camp! If this guy is so bad why is he a respected professor at a leading american university? C,mon Sean Hannity explain this to me.

William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born 26 December 1944)[1] is an American elementary education theorist and former leading 1960s Marxist. He is known for the violent nature of his activism in the 1960s and 1970s as well as his current work in education reform, curriculum, and instruction. In 1969 he cofounded the radical Marxist organization Weather Underground which was active during the 1960s and 1970s. He is now a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the honor of Distinguished Professor.

Not to defend the Ayers or disagree that this connection between Obama and Ayers isn't being inflated for political purposes, but were the Weather Underground really terrorist (at least in the sense that we know of terrorism today)?

Didn't they specifically bomb public buildings at times when they were unoccupied and call in the warning of the bombings ahead of time to evacuate buildings to make sure than no one was injured? If anything they were vandals more than terrorists.

These were turbulent times, and this group bombed unoccupied public buildings to get media attention to make their statements (opposition to the war in Vietnam). They weren't actually targeting and terrorizing innocent civilians.

But it is convenient for the Republicans to revise history and treat Ayers as if he was the 1960s domestic version of Osama Bin Laden.

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