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Palin Attacks Obama Over Wright -- Even Though McCain Said Wright Was Off Limits

Sarah Palin has now attacked Barack Obama over his association with Reverend Wright -- even though John McCain himself explicitly said this spring that Wright was off limits and that attacking Obama over his former minister was "not the message of my campaign."

Palin made her comments about Wright in a new interview with New York Times columnist Bill Kristol, after he asked her whether Wright was a legit issue.

"I don't know why that association isn't discussed more," Palin said, "because those were appalling things that that pastor had said about our great country, and to have sat in the pews for 20 years and listened to that -- with, I don't know, a sense of condoning it, I guess, because he didn't get up and leave -- to me, that does say something about character."

"I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring that up," Palin added.

But in April, when the North Carolina GOP released a TV ad on behalf of two local GOP candidates hitting Obama over Wright in terms virtually identical to those used by Palin here, McCain expressly condemned the attack and said his campaign wanted no part of it.

The ad attacked Obama as "too extreme," asserting that "for 20 years Barack Obama sat in his pew listening to his pastor." That's precisely the same point Palin made.

At the time, McCain his campaign called the North Carolina GOP and asked them to take down the ad.

"It's not the message of the Republican Party," McCain said then. "It's not the message of my campaign. I've pledged to conduct a respectful campaign."

When told that the N.C. party would continue to air the ad, McCain rejoined: "Unfortunately all I can do is, in as visible way as possible, is disassociate myself from that kind of campaigning."

So will McCain now disassociate himself from what Palin said? Or has McCain changed his mind and decided that the gutter attack on Wright he previously condemned in such high-minded terms is now a legit tactic for his campaign?

And if it's the latter, what's changed since then aside from the fact that his campaign is in trouble?


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Donate. Donate money. Donate time. Work the phone lines. Write a letter to the editor. Call your friends, get them to give money. Step up.

Word. And contact your local witch doctor to pray that the pythons and witches that have possessed Gov. Palin are destroyed!

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When I read her quotes now, I can't stop hearing her sing-song back-atcha voice in my head.

I can't help it.  Her charactiture has cast a spell on me!  Help!!!

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I've not said this, because it sounds like such a stereotype of a woman speaker, but the only thing I thought this morning, listening to her smear Obama was that she sounds screechy and annoying.

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It's not her being a woman, it's her.

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All I hear when she speaks is 'Beep beep beep beep beep beep-beep-beep beepbeepbeep.'

Which is the most racist term?:

1) witch doctor

2) medicine man

3) shaman

4) priest

5) exocist

5) exorcist

Yes and yes.

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Distance himself? Not a chance.

If Palin is saying it, then McCain has given the go.

The man has no shame. And he's a goddamn coward for hiding behind Palin's skirt while she levels these scurrilous attacks.

I wouldn't be too sure about that ..... get the feeling this lady does pretty much what she wants. What's he going to do? Toss her off the ticket? Notice how she referred to "a John McCain call" --- clearly implying that "a Sarah Palin call" would be quite different.

Very interesting article on her in New Republic:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8c130fe3-adab-4cb3-8443-c363f085cf13
It rings true.

Of course he knew she was going to bring it up, if not with kristol then at some point. In fact, kristol probably colluded with the campaign to raise the issue today.

Just look at the time frame in Greg's post. McCain was vowing to run a clean campaign back in March and April. You would have to have been living in a cave in Outer Mongolia not to realize he went back on that promise a long time ago. (If Outer Mongolia has any caves, that is.)

So will McCain now disassociate himself from what Palin said? Or has McCain changed his mind and decided that the gutter attack on Wright he previously condemned in such high-minded terms is now a legit tactic for his campaign?

I'm assuming this is rhetorical, right?

I mean, what previously held principle has McCain not abandoned in the last few months?

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... what previously held principle...

Who could possibly tell?  Besides the difficulty of unfolding so much flip-flop-flipping, there's this question:  How do you know whether any given principle had been previously held by McSame?  Because he said so at the time?  Sheesh!  Gimme a break!

Here's my question:

Why didn't Palin say to Bill Kristol that there's something wrong with his character for attending the past 20 years a synagogue -- the one where I grew up, and my parents still attend -- where only ten men can lead a service?

So the McCain campaign's answer for overtaking Obama's lead is to.......dig up debunked bullshit that Hillary tried and failed miserably at???

Hey, did you guys see this?

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/10/05/in-slip-up-palin-calls-afghanistan-our-neighboring-country/

I'd say the Dow sliding another 375 points as I write this is pretty extreme too. Now, which kind of extremism do you think is on most people's minds today?

I made a bet with friends in January that the market would tank below 10,000 before the election. If it doesn't rebound by the closing bell, I won! McCain is good for something, at least.

Obama should come out and address the economic situation.

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Hmmm.  Sounds like a good idea, just maybe not this instant.  Wednesday morning, after the debate...

McCain is flailing. It's like watching a bad swimmer speed up the drowning process.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

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It's true, he's all over the map right now. If he wants to gain back ground his "no plan" plan is a way to destroy any remains of his formally honorable reputation.

Hell, he's already a caricature of his formal self.

John McCain = all the staying power of Kimbo Slice

I like the part about her using basically the same text as the April ad. Even their attacks are leftovers...

NOW that the DOW is below 10,000, what if anything with McCain saying?

NOTHING..CRICKETS...

Oh, I forgot, there's always Rev. Wright and Ayers. People really want to hear about them don't they?

McCain's Organ Grinder Flings Feces.

Hate the imagery.

Love the line.

i'd say nothing has changed, 'cept this time McCain won't pretend that he does not condone tactics of this nature.

Hmmm, I wonder if McCain thinks it's unpatriotic to be more afraid of the economy than of a supposed friendship Obama has with a former anti-war extremist who long ago changed his ways.

Who should be more scared...us or McCain who has a running mate who claims Afghanistan is our neighboring country??

edit;

McCain's Organ Grinder Monkey Flings Feces.

"If only Barack had agreed to my town hall meetings...." will be his attempt at a fig leaf.

I imagine he is steaming about Keating. How dare he respond with truth against my sleaze!

We'll give them the truth and they'll feel like its hell.

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Boy how they've laid the groundwork!

Why is McCain doing this? Well, from Ras's poll today:

It is worth noting that Obama’s lead is now bigger than any lead enjoyed at any point by either candidate in Election 2004.

Reverend Hagee and the African witch doctor is now fair game.

No those aren't important. See for McCain and Palin they are able to hold separate and distinct thoughts from their associates. Not Obama. Anyone he comes in contact with, he automatically mind melds with and adopts wholesale every thought or pronouncement they've made. Ever. See, that's why it's important.


Grade A snark, right there!

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...for twenty years?

"African witch doctor"? Hmmm. Now, what kind of racist images does that conjure?

You do realize that the guy literally is associated with witchcraft, right? It isn't some random, racist connotation that people here have come up with. The guy is famous in Africa for his accusations of witchcraft against people. Kind of like a modern day Salem Witch Trials.

didn't palin sit there -- and NOT get up and leave -- during a guest "sermon" that declared terrorist attacks on israeli citizens to be god visiting judgment upon the jews? repeat: SHE STAYED, SHE SAT THROUGH A BLATANTLY ANTI-SEMETIC SERMON.

in her words, "what does that say about [her] character?"

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...for twenty years?

This must be your new "but she's got more experience..."

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Only for the current subject.

Who cares about the economy? I certainly don't. Two wars? Meh. What I really want to hear more about is Obama's associations. That's going to make the difference in my life.

The DOW just went down 10,000.

See what happens when the markets find out about Obama's dangerous associations. His relationships are the cause of the market falling and for the mortgage crisis. Why Obama? Why do you hate the world economy so much?

I'm hoping you meant "below 10,000" cuz if the down went down BY 10,000 it's time to start hoarding food and water.

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No shit! Jesus don't scare me like that.

Can we talk about the Witchdoctor now?

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...for twenty years?

Good point. Why would we want to try to copy the impotent tactics of your guy's campaign? McCain and Palin are running with William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright because, weak as that stuff is, it is the best your side has. We have much more damaging ammunition in our arsenal, so why play around with the cap guns that your side is firing?

Why not???

I bet if people wanted to start digging into Sarah Palin's religious history, it wouldn't be hard to find 20 years worth of "end-times," witch-craft believing, promise-keepers Man is in charge bs.

Can we find a less racist way to talk about him? After all, exocism is a time honored tradition for white people (firmly enshrined in the Catholic church's dogma), yet when people of color conduct the same ritual suddenly it becomes "witch doctor" with all the attendent racist stereotypes and images.

Please see my post above. It isn't racist....the guy is famous for his "witchcraft" hunting.

Please see my response to your reply.

McCain's comments in April boxed him in. If he starts throwing around Wright, there is a clip out there of him saying that his own campaigning tactic is disrespectful. So, he's going to need to get surrogates to do it and dance around why he isn't condemning such attacks in light of his earlier remarks about them being off limits. That is, this would be the scenario if the media would stay off the tire swing.

In that vein, I think the new DNC ad (I believe it's a web ad) is a great idea. There's much room for improvement about the execution though, I think, as it looks a bit confusing. But I'm hoping they will revise and air it.

If they want to go with Reverend Wright, we go with Hagee and Muthee. Wow, they rhyme. Heh.

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...for twenty years?

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Keep it up.

Tell me again how the fundamentals of the economy are strong, SFC. That's what you and your hero were arguing three weeks ago. Have you flip-flopped?

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Average wages (weekly) are up (in current dollars) from last year: From $690 to $719.
Price of oil is now below $90 a barrel.
Productivity was up 4.3% last quarter.
Consumer confidence rose 1.3% last month (even with the initial news of the credit crisis).
There are 2 options ahead, the next "Great depression" or "US Economy bounces back!" I'm betting on the latter.

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You moral dwarf - Rev Wright was one of y'all, Wallace - he was a goddamn marine.

Yeah he hates America just like all you military guys, right?

You are shooting yourself in both feet here - Palin is associated with a lot of America-hating wack jobs - two Pentecostal ministers and the AIP.

You really really want to go here? What a fool!

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"Rev Wright was one of y'all, Wallace - he was a goddamn marine."
I retired from the Army.

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O so you don't consider the Marines military?

I'm sure the nearest jarhead would love to disabuse you of that, Army.

Jesus man - you are standing on a moral saltine cracker that is crumbling under your feet.

Check this out folks: Sarah Palin said this yesterday.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/10/05/in-slip-up-palin-calls-afghanistan-our-neighboring-country/


“They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.

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... she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.

Hey, Burlingame is not San Francisco!  At any appearance here in the City, her supporters would be outnumbered by counter-demonstrators at least 10:1.

News from Ed Shultz

Sunday night I was told by Capitol Hill insiders the polling after Tuesday's debate will determine McCain's next shift in resources. McCain will trim operations in Minnesota this week and may be out of the state by the end of the week.

Obama has opened a solid double digit lead in the Gopher state. Some McCain insiders feel the state is already lost coupled by the fact that Al Franken is now leading Sen. Norm Coleman.

Sources with knowledge of the campaign are telling me this will be a crucial week for McCain. All Minnesota efforts will be reallocated to Ohio, Florida and possibly Virginia.

The McCain camp is now expecting the 527's to attack Obama on character in an attempt to shift the conversation and focus off the economy. One source told me tonight, "We are definitely in need of a game changer."

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/

They are taking on water at an alarming rate. Give more money, make calls, knock on doors. We have to break their collective backs.

Fuck the distractions. We need to stay focused. Money. Calls. Doors.

Very funny to read Ben Smith at Politico this morning explaining why Keating could be damaging to McCain it really isn't that damaging because he wrote about it. The thing that Smith totally misses is that this is not a story that people actually know about and know how it connects to the present crisis. Why are so many of the analysts and pundits so invested in making excuses for McCain? It drives me nuts.

Also--I was very happy to see that Cohen in the NYT went after Palin on the Never Again language. Being jewish this grated on me at a gut level. I can bet you all this was the same reaction for many. Even if not widely commented on.

The Dem candidates are off the trail today, the idiots are smear attacking, and the DOW goes down 10000 -- surrogates should step up and hit back.

This is the final and ultimate example that McCain is unfit to be President. If he didn't lose the election 2 Mondays ago when he said the "fundamentals of our Economy are strong", he lost it today, when his campaign launched the most predictable, desperate and selfish campaign of sleaze during this incredibly difficult time for America. This is just too transparent to work. Anyone who is persuaded by a mention of Ayers, Wright or Patriotism at this point is a complete moron. Not this time. America has been paying attention the past few weeks, and we just aren't that stupid anymore. The days of people voting against their interests out of fear, envy, insecurity are over. McCain-Palin is a total sham and a disgrace. Bill Kristol's absurd column in the NYT this morning says it all. They have no ideas. No plan. Nothing. Absolutely fucking NOTHING. Shameful, ethically, morally bankrupt people.

Bingo!

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America has been paying attention the past few weeks, and we just aren't that stupid anymore.

I was gratified to hear this very short snippet from Obama on the CBS radio news this morning (paraphrasing):  How stupid do they think you are???

This is a meme whose time has come.

That's exactly what I want to hear from Obama these next few weeks. "How stupid do they think we are?"

In the midst of the worst economic crisis in decades, with our nation in 2 Wars, this is all you got?

I want this Biden back on the trail. It still gives me a chill when I watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE

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Yep.  Subtext:  You got fooled in 2004.  You know it.  Don't let it happen again!

Time to surface every bullshit voodoo religious preoccupation flying around the fucked up cult she belongs to...AND to point out that her surfacing this shit despite McLiar's earlier statement that it was off limits only reinforces his dishonesty.

I respectfully disagree. Time to talk about the economy. Time to mention--as a boring aside--that McCain is desperate.

I agree.

Now is time for Obama to stick to his message. He can preface everything with "McCain is trying to distract you because he has no new ideas" or whatever, but he should stick to the issues.

And flood the country with that DNC ad (the one with video of McCain saying that if you're campaign is all negative then you clearly don't have a message to run on).

Co-sign. Remember, throughout this the McCain camp wanted to make this election a personality battle. Before the convention, it was a POW-vs-Celeb, and now, it is a POW-vs-WhoIsHe. Really, that's what they have been trying to achieve. They know they can never score points in an issue battle, and a personality-vs-issue battle as it is now will even destroy the authenticity of the personality because that personality double-talked and flip-flopped about those issues. No wonder they are trying their hardest to reshape it as an all-out personality battle again, that's the only thing left for them. Obama should never give an inch about this. This is, and should be, an issue election, and the Keating thing will work only in that context. Keep talking about economy, keep talking about issues.

Ditto HyperRevue's agreement with your post. Obama's tactics are working. Why mess with success. Our guy clearly knows what he is doing (what a pleasant change that makes) and I trust him to keep it up so that we will be looking at an electoral college landslide on November 5.

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Exactly, let Begala, Lanny Davis, Ed Schultz, etc., etc., talk about Palin's associations and McCain the trustifarian nitwit.

Obama and Biden should focus on the economy and McCain's role in shaping it over the past 30 years.

Agree. Also agree with those who have stated that Obama needs to come out today and speak to the press about the global stock markets tanking. Another, we need to remain calm speech. McCain is speaking in NM, so he will get his two cents in.

OKOK I'm convinced. You're all correct. It's hi-road time. It's just that she's so loathsome one's tempted to bite the bait. Part of their plan?

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"...the fucked up cult she belongs..."
Christianity?

No - more specifically, low-IQ Christianity preoccupied with end-times Rapture bullshit, and with finding non-existent sources of discrimination in Biblical texts never read intelligently (it at all) by congregants. I'll call it Taliban Christianity.

Don't be coy. It does not become you. I dare say that you know (without anyone here explaining to you) that Christianity is not a homogenous mass. Missouri Synod Lutherans and the Branch Davidians both answer to the description "Christians," but for all a prudent father has little reason to be concerned if his kid comes home from college and announces that he is joining the MO synod and much reason to be concerned if that same kid comes home and announces that he is joining the Davidians.

Ummm...no. I'm a Christian, and her beliefs look nothing like mine. She doesn't represent Christianity.

The demands of my faith are one of the primary reasons I support Obama.

If I follow your logic, you won't be mentioning Rev. Wright then. Of course, logic, reason, truth mean little when you are "turning the page" on the Economy. Good luck with that. Dow is below 10,000. Yup, you just lost another news cycle. Sorry.

No doubt, she's got her own witch doctor problem. Cue it up!

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Time to body-check hockey mommy. Take out a couple of teeth, too. Metaphorically, of course.

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John McSame regularly gets two minutes for high-sticking!

Time for some soaring oration about our collective fate as Americans. Obama has this thing won--if he takes the high road. This is not the time to wrestle in the mud with the likes of Sarah Palin. She's a Hooter's waitress.

Hooters? Hooters'?

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tap...tap....tap.......tap

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Pre-emptive assault here. Let's get rid of this guy who keeps clogging threads with long blogs no one reads. Click below to rec and add your name:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/public-service-ban-robert-hews.php

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AH. She's already been dircredited. Just because she didn't rip her clothes off during the debate doesn't mean she's suddenly qualified or creditable.

A little reminder here and there of who she is is all it should take to keep her gnawing on her own words.

I mean "credible" although "creditable" may not be far off given the circumstances.

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This is all they have - Ayers, and that couldn't be more absurd, and a retired United Church of Christ minister.

Jesus - I've never supported such a clean candidate.

Seriously. I think if one wanted one could dig up more dirt on most PTA members than they have found so far on Obama. Meanwhile, none of this matters. For all the griping on right wing blogs about how the media has ignored Ayers and Rezko and Wright, the truth is exactly the opposite. The media went to town on these stories six months ago. Guess what? No one was interested.

The reason why the press is not making anything of this is because none of it is news, and it will not become news just because Palin (who evidenly is 6+ months behind on her newspaper reading) tries to bring it back up. If Hillary Clinton (who is 100 times the politician that Sarah Palin is) could not make this stuff work to good effect, there is no chance that Sarah Palin will suddenly make it dangerous to Obama's chances.

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The chryon on MSNBC this morning referred to Ayers as "Willie Ayers".

Unfreakingbelievable. Willie? I've never ever heard him referred to as Willie. It (the chryon) disappeared upon news of the Dow tanking.

I think this week might be an excellent week for Chuck Hagel or Colin Powell to publicly endorse Obama. (Yes, I know. Each has some bad background, but for public relations value, it would be priceless.)

Willie Ayers = Willie Horton?

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Willy Nilly?
Wooly Bully?

Guys go to Ambinder and read his ridiculous inside information about what the McCain camp thinks will be their game changer: Ayers + Rezko, Crime (Obama is black and scary) and taxes (Obama is black scary and liberal). Are these people so out of touch that they really believe that people care about this when our economy and in general the rest of the world are going down a financial sinkhole?
How deluded can they be?

I noticed in one of the anti-Obama ads that continue to show here in Michigan, there is a picture of an African American in a suit and tie when they mention "corrupt CEOs."

No, that's not racist at all. Sure.

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OK, that's it. I want the entire country to know the word "Muthee" by the end of the week, and be able to recite all his crap about exorcising witchcraft and "stamping on the head of the python spirit" and having rabid Palinista Pentecostals "invade and infiltrate" government.

They're going to regret the day they ever tried to make more out of a narcissist (Wright) than a genuine raving maniac (Muthee).

Well, looks like McCain isn't listening to Ed Rollins over at CNN. So can we expect that landslide now.

John McCain, your challenge is to tell us what Obama's change means! Is it just rhetoric, or if not, is it really change in a bad direction? Don't waste your time beating up on him. Challenge his ideas and promises.

If you can do it effectively, you might come back from the deficit you now face. If you can't, you face the possibility of an electoral and popular defeat of landslide proportions.

I wonder what, if anything, they have done effectively so far in this campaign except rallying the snake-charming/fundie base by nominating Palin...

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There ya go again Greg. Always lookin back at what we said. True mavericks don't care about what we said yesterday.

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So where did you get the naked Palin pics?

So, this means her Jew hating, witch hunt instigating, end of times minister is officially fair game. Not to mention the per diem she charges the State of Alaska to stay in her own home for her own convienance. Also, I'd like to hear more on the potential tax fraud issue on the failure to report the per diem as income as required by law. That amounts to over $40,000.00 if you include what was paid for her husband and children. And, of course, all of John McCain's dirty laundry comes charging out ot the closet. Such a shame he has engaged on a course that will not only lead to his defeat, but will end up destroying his reputation, as well. though I do hope it puts a stake in the heart of the Republican Party.

View slideshow from Anti-Palin rally in Anchorage, AK


go to:

http://bigshow.bigfolio.com/?s=000011662&t=0e6a8ae03101be65098418ccb735e4a1

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Sarah Palin has a witch doctor and attended a church where the pastor blamed the terrorism and violence in Israel on the fact that Jews haven't accepted Jesus...

does she really want to go there?

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Somebody tell me what the hell the difference is between Muthee and Ahmadinejad?

He hates Israel, too, right?

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...for twenty years?

McCain opposed regulation for 20 years? Damn, he's toast.

Which is the most racist term?:

1) witch doctor

2) medicine man

3) shaman

4) priest

5) exorcist

The Res 2000 data shows that there are just 2% undecided at this point. Even if it is a little higher, McCain is now in the position of having to convince not just undecideds to join him, but voters who have made the choice to support Obama. The latter is extremely difficult at this time in the election process. If Obama has a genuine lead in OH, FL, and VA then McCain is not only toast, he is burnt toast.

The MSM can shut this down before it gets any traction if they so choose to - not exactly the "base" anymore.

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And don't forget the misogynist anti-semite Hagee. Or the anti-semitic group McCain sat on the board of, the US Council of World Freedom, with the creepy Iran-Contra criminal Singlaub. Or the white supremacists he associates with. Perhaps it's time to define McCain's prospective treasury secretary Phil Gramm as the economic terrorist he is.

McCain is a revolting excuse for a human being and hopefully by the end of the month everyone in the country will know about it and he'll only be left with the votes of other revolting excuses for human beings, which should be good for about zero electoral votes.

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The only question now is which will go lower, the DOW or McCain. And in either case it's thanks to Republican philosophies (Economic and Political).

As long as the financial markets continue to suck and the unemployment rate continues to go up, the last thing the Aaerican public wants to hear is Rev Wright or Aryers.

Mike Murphy, McCain former campaign manager in his 2000 race, posted this morning that McCain is making a mistake by going negative. According to him McCain needs to get back to what he did in 2000.
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/30_days_out.html

If this was the 2000 incrnation of McCain, this would be a much closer race, I agree.

NOW'S THE TIME:
BRING OUT THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY messages from Palin to the party; bring out the First Dude's membership in it; bring out all that anti-American crap.

Smear her with it as thickly as possible: show her to the American people.

I hope that's in the works 'cause I want to see her sink herself with that nasty little smirk of hers.

Nate at 538.com is making the case for Georgia!

I'm personally interested in Mississippi: 27% Black, 60% white. It probably won't go blue but it'll very interesting to see what the final vote is there...

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I saw that - plus the win percentages changed again since yesterday - McLame was at 15% yesterday. Its' dropped. And Obama is approaching 90% there now - 87.something now.

"I don't know why that association isn't discussed more," Palin said, "because those were appalling things that that pastor had said about our great country, and to have sat in the pews for 20 years and listened to that -- with, I don't know, a sense of condoning it, I guess, because he didn't get up and leave -- to me, that does say something about character."

"I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring that up," Palin added.

Yeah, it's really up to McCain to decide whether or not to attack. Let's just keep all this information on Reverend Wright between you and me, national newspaper audience.

MSNBC switched from Palin's attacks to the Keating Five website. CNN still toeing the Republican party line.

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How so? The Keating 5 website getting PR is not a bad thing.

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Let me just preempt SFC. Expect "For twenty years?" after every comment, folks.

For twenty years?

...wow, that requires no thought or effort at all! Unlike explaining how McCain is part of the culture that brought us the latest economic meltdown; going back to the Keating Five, how McCain took campaign money in exchange for help in reducing the penalty Keating (who helped create a meltdown that took billions to fix) got. How his and his party's deregulation platform helped create a bizarre home-loan trading frenzy that caused loans to be given to everybody, even my former neighbor who couldn't hold a job and was fucking unemployed at the time he got the loan (he's been foreclosed on now, of course).

It takes time and some thought and research to type all that out. Can't we come up with something easy and clever, like "for twenty years?"

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Well you know, it's pretty fucking stupid for them to go down this road when Palin's minister has said far more hateful shit about America than Wright - who is, Wallace, one of y'all after all - he was a goddamn Marine - was Muthee?

LBJ only allowed America-haters to operate on him.

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Rather than looking at the Ayers, Rezko, Wright stuff as legitimizing Keating Five attacks, maybe a bit more chatter is in order questioning the old man's miserable health.

Even Sanjay Gupta is now expressing skepticism about the records he flipped through under the McCain campaign's supervision.

Funny thing is, shouldn't the interviewer or MSM point out that Obama was NOT in the pews during Wright's sermon blasting the U.S. that is all over YouTube?

And does this now mean that Obama & his surrogates can start talking about Pentecostal speaking-in-tongues rituals she was part of? Or her time spent with a Kenya witch doctor (on YouTube)?

You mean the clip that WAS all over youtube, in March. I never thought I would thank Hillary for the campaign she ran, but it really did bring this out and defuse it early on. At this point, everyone's default position will be, "I've heard about this already, why aren't they talking about real problems?". It doesn't take a genius to see what they are up to.

The beauty of Rove's tactics, when they worked, was their novelty. It is a different time, with blogs, Youtube, MySpace, etc. Throw in 2 Wars and an Econmic crisis, and people are paying attention. This kind of dime store magic tricks just aren't fooling anyone.

And yes, my grammar and spelling are tortured today. I can't believe what I am seeing, as the markets explode, McCain-Palin want to talk about Ayers and Wright.

I'm sputtering. I wan't to kick something.

I just donated to Obama instead.

I misspelled "want". I'm taking a break.

Say "G'night," Grampy McSame, you're finished!

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Not to mention the AIP and yes we can talk about it.

Unfortunately Obama has no events scheduled today and Biden is off the trail to be with his wife and family as they grieve the death of Jill's mother.

I know the Keating "documentary" drops in about half an hour, but I think Obama in the very least needs to schedule a press conference to provide some news coverage for the networks so they don't run Palin's comments all day.

Agreed -- I want him to come out and hit back today. Give them no space to breathe -- gotta keep framing her crap into the "they are out of touch, they are out of idea, they are out of time, hence they talk crap" narrative.

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Your advice is noted.

I'm perfectly happy with how Obama and Plouffe and Axelrod handle things.

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Y'know Jonzie? Maybe it's ok. Here's Tepper's current headline:

"As Dow Plummets, McCain Campaign Highlights Palin's Attacking Obama on Ayers"

Sums it up pretty well. I think this'll be most people's take.

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I'm hoping that two things start appearing in Obama's speeches: John McCain wants to do for health care what he allowed to happen to our banking system. He's said it before, and here's hoping it becomes a staple.

Second, Obama should emphasize that John McCain will cut Medicare and Medicaid deeply to pay for his version of "health care".

This weekend, I was at a parade in a mostly white small town in a rural Kentucky county that votes republican.

The vehicle with the Obama signs got maybe a dozen cheers and applause during the one-hour parade, and just three bad responses - one yelled "boo," one thumbs-down and one yelled "shame on you!"

Obama has gone from 35 points down in Kentucky to 10 points down. He won't win here, but if that parade response was any clue, he's gonna get damn close.

For us Kentucky liberal dems, the real result we want from Obama is helping us get rid of Mitch McConnell, Geoff Davis (R-KY4) and Ed Whitfield (R-KY1).

Mitchie's in a tight one, but we need some real help on Davis and Whitfield.

Even *Karl Rove* is saying that this strategy is potentially fatal dumbassery from the McCain camp - and right now he's giving the electoral map to Obama.

I say an old aikido principle applies: the easiest way to defeat a charging opponent is to simply step out of the way and let them land flat on their face.

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It's pretty stunning, but I read yesterday that Rove was back on that track, saying McLame was committing political suicide.

And I still wonder if Rove has something up his sleeve by saying that or he meant what he said. If the latter, then Rove sort of is distancing himself from McScum (not that they are close in the first place, but...), which is in a way sad.

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Rove has something up his sleeve. *heavysigh*

Yeah Rove is a genius and we're doomed.

No he isn't, he's a Faux News talking head and he has never liked John McLame = they can't stand each other. Rove has nothing to give McLame and wouldn't if he did.

Arrgh, Tena, don't sigh! I'm not saying we are doomed! (:eyes rolling:)

I just keep hearing conflicting pieces of information that Rove is serving as an informal advisor or he is not. And after all Schmidt is a Rove protege. That's what makes me wonder about that.

But true, they hate each other. And Rove's comments are not treating Schmidt kindly.

I still wonder if Rove has something up his sleeve

Yes, a plan to save his own ass from the orange jumpsuit. Rove has every reason to try and be on the good side of whoever wins this contest.

Well then at least Rove is smart in that regard. Look how clueless Palin is. I'm not sure about her political future. Rightwingnuts will love her forever, but that's all. It being a surprise pick has gotten her a lot of attention this time, but next time around, she won't be a new face. She's just been around, being an idiot.

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It's been looking that way to me.

She's Howdy Doody with a very mean streak

"Gosh, Charlie, that's such a good question, and when that wonderful tongue-speaking pastor from Africa was laying hands on me to protect me from devils and witches and we were striving to pray out the gay I was thinking how gosh darn it was, dontcha know, that Senator Obama was in such a radical church and listened to that Reverend Wright hating America for so many years and never honors our troops by using the word victory or talk about winning while Todd and I were being such good Joe Six Packs and arming ourselves against the moose and the wolves and just in case Washington got a little crazy we palled around with the whatchamacallits, the separatists, to preserve our wonderful small town values and keep America safe while our troops were protecting us from all those terrorist communists in Chicago and northern Virginia."

"A little revolution is a good thing now and then, dontchathink, Charlie, isn't that what the founding fathers like Jefferson and Thomas Paine and General McKiernan were talkin about? Isn't that what we mavericks do is change things?"

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Palin's pastor is a Witch Hunter from Kenya so here is Keith Olberman with an Alaskan journalist discussing it. Palin believes that the blessing of Pastor Murthee brought her the Governorship in Alaska

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wohKOgLi8OA

I think when Palin goes down that hole, this video should be posted and the page turned back to the economy.

Bill Kristol is just helping in his own modest way. Maybe he can arrange to be in the Times building when Ann Coulter's mad bomber arrives.
That would be poetic justice.
I guess he agrees with McCain's campaign director: this election is about the images and impression which voters take away about the candidates, but not about the looming worldwide financial collapse.

His column the other day (a week ago if I recall) was pretty much to that effect.

You never expected them to honor McCain's word that the Wright story was off limits, did you? Word was out that Obama was going to release a piece on McCain's Keating Five scandal, and we're off to the nuclear war portion of the campaign. Read the Rolling Stone cover story, John McCain, Make Believe Maverick for how despicable and unfit for the presidency this man is.

A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty

By TIM DICKINSON

He's flailing.

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One too many "L"s.

WHEN is Obama - or preferably Biden -- going to hit Palin on her ties to the Alaska secession group?

I really don't think people are fully aware of her ties and what they believe.

Come on, Obama/Biden. Let's see you out there holding her feet to the fire.

I don't think they'll go there. They don't need to.

Food for thought: I just heard Palin on CNN talking in her rural, folksy, slang. Could you imagine if Obama spoke in slang of the Southside of Chicago?…he would be termed as ignorant and folks would probably wonder what ghetto he came out of. There is such a double-standard!!

mccain couldn't win this race if he single-handedly took out a middle-eastern terrorist strike force and defused a dirty bomb with his teeth on the washington mall.

thanks to his hard-charging (stillborn) rescue of the bailout everyone hates, even if he hauled bin laden up the capitol steps in chains, absolutely no one would think that it's not another one of his hail mary campaign stunts. he'd never get credit for it.

that's what happens when you lose all credibility, which up until now was the best thing mccain had going for him.

Dow dropped another 500 points. Index below 10,000 for the first time in almost a decade. The last thing audible will be Wright or Ayers today.

McLame is really lame,of couse Sarah doesn't know what stock market really doe.Bad day to bring up Ayers or Wright.

Most people are looking at the headline the economy tanks, rest ain't important.

The economy will continue to tank until Nov 4...election day. If Obama wins, the market will be flooded with cash and it will rise just as fast as it has dropped. If McCain wins, expect to see it go below 6000 before the day he is sworn in. The market is a key indicator of the mood of the people in this election cycle.

Dow dropped another 500 points. Index below 10,000 for the first time in almost a decade. The last thing audible will be Wright or Ayers today.

McLame is really lame,of couse Sarah doesn't know what stock market really doe.Bad day to bring up Ayers or Wright.

Most people are looking at the headline the economy tanks, rest ain't important.

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No shit, Sherlock.

McLame is just busy destroying what shreds of his campaign were still intact.

Yeah, it's "We don't care if the economy tanks or you are kicked out of your house or you get axed from your job, all we care about is to get elected." Any way you slice it.

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Palin is only bringing up Wright and Ayers now because she didn't know about them until last week. Before the debate her handlers were busy helping her learn that Spain isn't in Latin America, etc.

LOL! Wouldn't be surprised...

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/obama_responds_directly_to_pal.html

Sounds good to me -- I'm sure by "debating over character" he means he will question McScum's temperament and judgment in each and every issue that matters.

my new sarah palin homage is now up on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwMkV_vdlIM

Yep. The headline "Drop drops below 10,000" is at the front and center of every news outlet.

In other words, "Bush/McCain/Repugs burnt down the economy."

That's advertising you cannot buy. Priceless.

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Palin is disgusting. She's the worst of politics, a new generation that fed at the Rove trough for the past 8 years. When I'm done campaigning for Obama/Biden, I'm ensuring she only gets one term as Gov. of AK and never sets foot fear DC.

Who's the more foolish?

Palin for all the piss and vinegar she spouts, or
the people enraptured with what she is saying?

Credit: King Lear, Shakespeare - wording change to reflect different values and mores

Last week, in his NY Times column, Bill Kristol had suggestions for the McCain campaign on how to advance a winning strategy. One of those suggestions was to delve into the Rev Jeremiah Wright affair once again. Judging from his column today, it's perfectly clear that he's taking the position of trying to "save" the campaign with his own hands, by creating self-fulfilling prophecy!

We all know that it was Bill Kristol, besotted by Sarah Palin during a cruise to Alaska earlier in the year, who encouraged John McCain to make her the choice for his running mate. Kristol, who is supposedly a man of letters with a propensity to ponder life's twists and turns in deeply thought-out measure, has completely ignored the fact that this woman can't even put a sentence together that makes any sense, unless she's reading a teleprompter or notes. Why would a person of such journalistic stature give encouragement to someone so unqualified? Can anyone - ANYONE - answer that for me?

There was a time in our history when a columnist could practically dictate to the electorate
how to vote. News was hard to come by and he (it was always a "he" in those days) was seen as somehow superior in knowledge; a person who could be trusted to steer us in the right direction. With the advent of the information highway however, that time has passed. We no longer need their advice; we can see for ourselves who's best qualified.

It's high time Bill Kristol stood aside and quit interfering in politics; it's not his job. He should realize by now that in making his case for Sarah Palin as a "superior candidate" for VPOTUS, Mr Kristol has shown he has no superior knowledge any longer. When he encourages Palin and McCain to dredge up old news about their opponent, it only reinforces my opinion that he and McCain don't care about this country's future; only their own.

With his glowing report about Sarah Palin today, Bill Kristol has shown us, once again, that he's thinking with another organ rather than his brain.

So we have Kristol to thank for Palin getting the VP nod?

And here I thought he has never done anything for the Democratic Party!

Isn't about time for another article on McCain's gambling - and the tax problem.

He did not claim gambling winnings on his '06 and '07 tax returns - Of course not - because he's obviously in collusion with his friends at the casinos to keep his winnings off the books.

How about a Waxman investigation? Here's the link to the explanation on HP from a tax person:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-miller/mccains-tax-returns-hide_b_131675.html

McCain could start campaining on his mavrick record like:
How he went against his party with the immigration bill with Ted K. (oh yea he flipped on that one)
Or how he was against bush’s tax cuts. (oh he flipped on that
one too)
Or how he was against torture. (oh yea he flipped on that too)
Never mind.

Now for something completely different.
Here is a picture of scarah's little girl flipping
off a little boy at a campain rally.LMAO
http://img.allvoices.com/thumbs/event/940/700/20051964.jpg

Palin is PLAIN....She was picked by the zionists newsons....she is their new brainless, empty suit> who they hope will carries over their agenda>.Spread blood, hate,killing all over the world when our country is bleeding and almost crippled with financial meltdown, our homes lost value, our 401 K & benefits are slashed, our jobs are gone, almost 50 mil without any health ins., our schools and bridges and crumbling.... what's the urgent subjest zionist Bill Kristol will talk about or asked Palin to talk about??? The zionist newcons know Obama will NEVER let them have a say over our national or forigen policy and they are going to smear him on FIX news , WSJ,WS,etc....they are going down dirty and shamelessly.

Truth or Fiction? we don't know, but honestly, we don't care.. Palin can scream her bullcrap, so can we.

SARAH PALIN LOVER REVEALED!
In a world exclusive The NATIONAL ENQUIRER names GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin's secret lover!

No less than three members of the man’s family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with hus­band Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson.

These sources have named Hanson as Palin’s secret love, and say their affair nearly wrecked both their marriages.

Hanson owned a snowmobile dealership with Palin’s husband Todd, who immediately dissolved the partnership after he heard stories about the affair, which occurred around 1996, according to the sources. At the time, Palin was mayor of Wasilla.

Palin has vehemently de­nied cheating on her hus­band, and Hanson insisted to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER that he was never romantically in­volved with the 44-year-old Republican vice presiden­tial candidate.

However, Hanson family insider, Jim Burdett, has gone on the record and passed a rigorous polygraph test, revealing de­tails of the affair to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER in a world exclusive interview.

Burdett is a former brother-in-law of Hanson’s estranged wife Carolyn's brother, Craig Batton, and still speaks with many family members.

“I’ve known about Brad having had an affair for a long time, but it wasn’t until just recently that I learned his affair was with Sarah Palin,” Burdett told The NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

“Sarah was elected mayor of Wasilla, Brad became a city council member in the nearby town of Palmer, and they started an affair.

“Todd found out about the affair and was so mad he broke up their partnership at the snowmobile dealership,” Burdett claimed.

Another source, who preferred to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions, provided The NATIONAL ENQUIRER with a sworn affidavit attesting to the Palin-Hanson story.

“Todd was away on business a lot and Sarah felt lonely. Brad was a good listener, and Sarah talked to him at length. Eventually, she real­ized she was falling in love with him,” one insider divulged.

“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.”

I still think the Wright stuff could be turned around. The infamous "God damn America!" clip was really a populist expression of anger. The clip (when put back in context) says that those so-called leaders of government and business who say God Bless America, but then take away jobs and refuse to help the poor, are really saying "God Damn America!". It's not *Wright* who wants to damn America, it's Wright expressing his anger at those who by their actions damn America.

Sure, he's a firebrand and goes too far, but it's his passion for justice, his faith in God and in the people of America that makes him so angry.

Don't attack Palin's faith. There's a lot of Pentecostals, and attacking faith is a bad idea anyway. Draw the parallels. Wright's faith is actually very similar to many of the fundamentalists (including Pentecostals) who support conservative causes.

It's about Passion. It's about doing what's right for justice, what's right to help neighbors, what's right for America.

Address the fundamentalist Christians directly, many of whom are in similar economic positions to those Wright speaks of. He's not a scary stranger; he's much like your own preacher. Though perhaps louder than some.

Anyone else out there wanna put a cap in Tucker Bounds ass? What a total and complete slime ball.

Nothing this lady says has any substance. I don't care about something that was talked about months ago. I care about our economy today and my children’s future. I fail to understand why they feel the need to handle her delicately. I am a woman and when I am playing with the boys, treat me like one. I still do not see why see was chosen as the VP candidate. Any woman that supported Hillary should not support her. Hillary could run with the boys and play the game. This lady makes me think of some high school chic looking for attention. Can we please stay focused on the real issues that concern every American and not the mud slinging?

I suspect if Palin were treated as an equal among peers, she would fall flat on her face. McCain has been able to change the rules exclusively for her. And with the protected status she is not obligated to follow any code of honor. She can be as mean and nasty as she feels because no one is going to call her down. Someone needs to smack her silly for the next few weeks and to hell with being nice to her. She doesn't deserve it.

"If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we're going to lose."

Hilariously funny to boot ! McCain's spokeperson makes this comment and the stock market crashes below the 10,000 barrier!

Ya think maybe McCain might reconsider his stratergee and tictacs necessary to bring the economy under his control before the election.

Perhaps he'll put his campaign in remote control and head off to Washington to stir up those House minority repugs into some kinda non-action to thwart the market from dropping any further. Or perhaps walk into the Senate chambers and blame the members for being to slow to react to a financial crisis of biblical proportions.

So I suppose Palin's shenanigans at the Pentecostal church aren't off limits any more?

When are these guys going to work out that it is futile to throw stones in a glass house?

Bill Ayers won't save John McCain. Wright and Rezko won't either. I seriously doubt too many people give a rats ass about those guys considering the challenges facing the United States.

The Keating Five scandal however, now that resonates. Especially since the comparisons between the S&L scandal of the 1980s and the present one are so disturbingly similar.

DQ.. one thing to agree with faith and how it affects all of us.

But a religious person will not willfully lie to make a point. This is standard procedure for McBush/Failin.

Wright's a hardcore speaker, no doubt. But his message is probably no worse than what's heard Sundays in Baptist Churches all over the country.

Palin, even had someone engaged with witchcraft and spells advising her. Is that wrong or illegal? Probably not.

But when Palin accuses Obama of pallin around with a terrorist, who's now a professor at a Chicago university, who works on all sorts of causes, is now somehow making Obama a bad person.

Amazing.

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Want to talk about long associations with criminals and "terrorists"? Let's raise the issue of McCain's LONG and close relationship with G. Gordon Liddy of Watergate infamy. McCain is showing how incompetent and stupid he has become. He really doesn't want to go down this road.

We, the progressive movement, need to cycle the talking points into the discourse ourselves. We can do this by mentioning Keating Five, Palin and her nutty associations, Phil Gramm, etc. etc. at every opportunity to really influence the media cycle. We should be emailing our own listserves and talking up stories on every comments tread. For example, the Washington Post has two really important items today, one a profile of McCain's ugly treatment of his first wife, and the other a column by Meyerson dredging up the Phil Gramm ties. Not to mention the oft-mentioned Rolling Stone profile of McCain. Keep fighting, keep giving, keep phoning, keep walking! This thing is within our grasp.

The Repugnants are determined to do anything to attack Obama personally.

I'm waiting for them to announce they have phone video of him in a cave with Osama bin Laden.

They'll make up anything, they'll lie like there's no tomorrow and hope it makes people scared.

The truth is a casual association with a 60 year old ex-radical, when the US was embroiled in Vietnam and other problems are irrelevant today. Obama was 8 when Ayers did what he did, and wasn't convicted of anything. He's now a professor at a Chicago university. He's not a radical today.

On the other side, McCain and Keating were intertwined for years and years and there's no arguments about that. McCain got off, but Keating went off to prison.. Just because McCain slipped thru and skated on Keating, it doesn't mean he wasn't involved.. And with that crisis and this one so similar, one must wonder.

Desparation tactics.. McCain is dead.. he's just not stopped breathing yet.

Now that OJ is being sent to prison, does that mean anyone who ever meet him personally or bumped into him at an airport are guilty of associating with known criminals?

I am not sure if Team Obama should raise Keating Five, Troopergate or Todd Palin's membership of the secessionist party AS ISSUES. It's risky because it will hurt their message of politics of hope. However, they should definitely say something like this "The Obama-Biden campaign denounces those smearing tactics as worthless and dishonorable, tactics that will only distract us from the economic crisis that we are facing. The Obama-Biden campaign doesn't want to promote this ludicrous idea of guilt by association and certainly doesn't want to raise as issues Sen. McCain's problematic links to Keating Five or Governor Palin's Troopergate scandal or Todd Palin's membership of a secessionist party in Alaska." I believe this will be a double-edged sword: denouncing Team McCain's tactics and ACTUALLY raising those problematic links for public attention without raising them as issues.

Kerry lost by not addressing the false claims against him in 2004. All Obama has to do is point out McCain's work in Congress.

To avoid accusations against him, Obama can point out McCain record he's so proud of. Which Keating 5 is a master piece. It also lays the ground work McCain has been diligently stripping the depression era regulations that are the root cause of the current meltdown.

As for Palin, she practically has beat me stupid tattooed across her forehead. Just wait for the Alaska Senate report to be issued. She seems to act as if her pass actions in Alaska will not haunt her in the national election. Odd that many politicians have dropped their bids for office for less infractions.

I agree with you ChrisL, that's why we should do it. The progressive community out here can raise any issue we want. Obama doesn't have to have anything to do with these issue which, as you say, will distract from his message of hope and change.
But we are at liberty to raise whatever we want, and to cycle it into the discourse. We should keep reading those stories and keep emailing them, all the while posting comments about them on every site in sight.

"It's a dangerous road, but we have no choice," a top McCain strategist told the Daily News. "If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we're going to lose."

Wow. This should definitely be used in an ad. It will help put McCain's new smear strategy in context for every American.

Someone once said:

The road to hell is easy to follow, but once you've realized your mistake it's too late to turn back

Seems McCain has found his campaign took the road to hell and he wants to go back and and select another avenue. The problem is once you set a course, you can't turn back. He has never had to make the hard choice to see something thru to its end and take the hard knocks that comes when an urgent decision is rushed or good judgment is sacrificed in the name of expediency. The Rolling Stone article shows that in detail.

So McCain has made some bad judgments in the direction he has taken his campaign and he's rush a few urgent decisions, the VP nominee for instance, and now he wants to wipe the slate claer and try a different approach. Makes one wonders how effective he'll be if he does get elected.

It seems like the "No Rev. Wright for no Keating scandal" agreement just went the way of the dinosaurs. Shame on McCain, I once thought he had dignity...obviously not.

"And if it's the latter, what's changed since then aside from the fact that his campaign is in trouble?"

Exactly, Greg. He's on the gagging end of a s#!t sandwich, namely his political career.

Reminds me of the old saying, if you don't stop lying about me I'll tell the truth about you.

http://palincounter.blogspot.com/

Army Brat --- Couldn't agree more. As a progressive, I have been spreading the word.

I do want to make sure that Obama doesn't look as trivial as McCain --- not when we are seeing another stock market crash and global economic fears on the horizon. He should make that double-edged statement or something similar, let us do the dirty work of raising McCain's ties to Keating Five, Palin's troopergate and her husband's membership of the secessionist party, and continue addressing the economic crisis. Let McCain make a clown of himself when Americans increasingly turn to Obama for reassuring ideas.

I have it on good authority that Obama once owned a copy of James Brown Live At The Apollo. James Brown!
A coke-fueled, gun-toting, hip-shaking madman! Obama owned that album for 20 years! 20 years! 20 years! Is that the kind of man you want in the White House? Really? Yeah, actually, so do I...

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