Palin Attacks Obama Over Pakistan Policy She Agreed With
In order to run a campaign like the one John McCain and Sarah Palin have run, the first order of business is to shed your capacity for embarrassment. Case in point: In a speech today, Palin attacked Obama over Pakistan during a rundown she was offering of the "crisis scenarios" Obama might face as President:
Now, Senator Obama, too, having advocated sending our U.S. military into Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government, invading the sovereign territory of a troubled partner in the war against terrorism, gotta call that scenario number two.
Recall, though, that Palin got into trouble last month when she inadvertently agreed with Obama's position on this during an exchange with a voter, Michael Rovito, in a Philadelphia pizza joint:
"So we do cross border, like from Afghanistan to Pakistan you think?" Rovito asked."If that's what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin responded, before moving on to greet other voters.
This wasn't some passing, barely-noticed campaign moment -- it was big news, and McCain was forced to disavow Palin's remarks on national television. As noted in this space before, whoever lets this sort of thing into her speeches is either incompetent or very, very brazen.















That's pretty much true of the entire GOP, isn't it?
They really believe their business connections translates into more money, which means more ads. Add to that a belief that perceptions can be infinitely manipulated by those ads, and any sense of embarrassment only becomes a liability.
October 21, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting with Palin and Rick Davis - "Just say what we goddamn tell you to say, nothing more! If John himself says what we tell him to, SO WILL YOU!!"
October 21, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
And then she winks at him, "Ya bethca!" and goes out and gets all mavericky on his message!
October 21, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll go with 'brazen.'
They rely on the assumption that their average supporter is too low-info to actually look anything up on their own, and their memory is too swiss-cheesy to retain anything past about a week ago.
Besides - Palin's fans will accept anything at this point. Who cares if today she said the complete opposite of what she said a month ago? They agree with what she says today, whatever that might be.
October 21, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, that would be "brazen".
They have chosen to try and lie their way to the White House. Frankly, McCain is showing himself to never have had "honor", no matter how much he claims it for himself or others have claimed it for him.
October 21, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
RE: Saint McCain's alleged former honor:
Paging Bob Somerby!
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October 21, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two votes for 'brazen.'
I was in St. Louis last weekend and I saw a McCain-Palin yard sign with McCain blacked out with spray paint. As far as McCain has fallen, anyone who thinks he's the drag on the ticket is beyond all hope...
October 21, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well put.
For example, what's McScum's position on x?
How could anyone possibly know? All we know is what he says it is now, and maybe what he said it was a while ago... and a while before that...
It could change at any minute.
October 21, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The McCain/Palin campaign is now beyond pathetic. No one cares about anything foreign policy related at this point. The economy is in the toilet and people are trying to find ways to simply pay their bills and keep their heads above water. I love the fact that Obama is keeping the focus everyday where it needs to be - on the economy. As Carville famously said "it's the economy stupid."
October 21, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it just me or is everyone else experiencing 2-3 minute delays when they post a comment? All I get is an hourglass symbol for the longest time.
October 21, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, I hit Submit and then go excavate some more email. I return every few minutes.
October 21, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get about a ten second delay on a Mac. However, I have felt myself actually aging on some days. It is bad.
October 21, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correction, that just took 35 seconds, ridiculous.
October 21, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both incompetent and brazen. There are two people on the ticket, you see.
October 21, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh by the way, did anyone see one of the pundits on MSNBC this morning say that Palin's camp was shocked her SNL appearance didn't bump her up in the opinion polls.
Do these morons not realize she was BEING RIDICULED for the entire country to see while she sat there????
Nah, she was too busy waving her hands in the air to even realize she was being humiliated.
October 21, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I thought she could have really worked that, like doing the rap thing herself. But no, she seemed stupid as usual. I don't know why she bothered.
October 21, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
A smart politician would have turned that to her or his advantage, no? But not this fucking nimrod.
October 21, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin blasting Obama on foreign policy? C'mon...this is a joke, right ? The DOW, NASDAQ and the S%P are down--why is Palin-McCain talking about foreign policy instead of the economy?
October 21, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Might that be their strategy at this point - wait to see what the worst news is on a given day and talk about something else?
I realize it makes zero sense. But this campaign is so ham-handed, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they're running things at this point. Reactive to the extreme.
October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're talking about foreign policy now because that is where McCain still beats Obama handily in the polls, even with Joe Biden on the ticket.
There are still A LOT of twits out there who feel Palin has more foreign policy experience than Biden!
October 21, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
JOSH, GREG AND ERIC:
The postings are SO slow. It makes posting here unbearable. Could you please address and let us know if you are working on this???
October 21, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
They know they can put that into her speeches because the media will never call them out on it.
October 21, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course she does. However, there's this:
“Gov. Palin’s negative rating is the highest for a vice-presidential candidate as measured by The Times and CBS News. Even Dan Quayle, with whom Mrs. Palin is often compared because of her age and inexperience on the national scene, was not viewed as negatively in the 1988 campaign.”
Ouch.
October 21, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would hurt. I mean, if she had a clue about it.
October 21, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone else not understand a word of what Palin says when it is written out? I really struggle understanding her! I feel like I'm in the stage when learning another language, and you can understand if someone is speaking because you can get the situational gist of it, but when it is written out, you really have nothing to go off of and it just befuddles. Anyone else feel that?
October 21, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I have to re-read and still don't get it. And for sure I cannot listen to her as it seems she never passed English and learned that words ending in ing are meant to be said in ing, not in', that drives me f**king nuts.
October 21, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, folksy doesn't translate on the page.
However, this isn't actual folk-speak on her part. She really can't order her thoughts under pressure, and she still seems to be trying to find the right road to a talking point - any talking point will do - without much more success than in the Gibson interviews.
Slightly less fucked up, but still a long way from conversational.
October 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Caribou Barbie makes Dan Quayle look like a Phi Beta Kappa.
October 21, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only did McCain have to disavow Palins' remarks but he called this an example of "gotcha" journalism. You know, a student in a pizza joint asks a question of a VP candidate and McCain calls it gotcha.
On the other hand a Democrat Presidential candidate stands in the driveway of a plumber from Ohio, talks to him for 10 minutes in detail about his tax proposals, has a back and forth with the guy, and the McCain campaign is out there saying how ridiculous it is that a citizen can't ask a question of their elected leaders, then uses the guys disagreement of his plan to drop down the socialist hole.
Yes, you have to shed your embarrassment to be this opportunistic. But here is a point where the Obama campaign has not done a good job. They should be pointing out that Obama had the decency to stand and talk to the guy, explain his position, heck note that he is very capable of doing so if they have to. And in the meantime, Palin can't/won't answer questions and McCain offers nothing, no explanations, no discussions of actual policy.
October 21, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can all agree she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about and is just vacuously reciting words put in front of her? Right? Ok. Good.
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October 21, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Barack just now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/deadlinevideo1?source=20081021_BO_D1
October 21, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just watched it. I'm confused. Y'all keep talking about how McCain's got no ground game and y'alls grass roots get out the vote is gonna trounce him...but Barak just said he's worried about McCain's "well organized" GOTV operation...is he making that up just to get some more cash from you?
October 21, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely just making it up. Probably not to get cash, but to motivate people to volunteer.
October 21, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
To keep us engaged, and very smartly done, I might add. I was in San Francisco this last weekend and Obama buttons and posters, etc., everywhere. No McCain anything until I hit our county line, (sad is that).
October 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd go with incompetent and brazen.
Incompetent because they really think it doesn't matter if anyone notices. Brazen because they don't care.
October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's really funny about SNL is that many people only saw the opening with her in it, then turned it off thinking that was her only appearance. I guess there was supposed to be some mention in the opening that she was also going to be on Weekend Update, but it was never mentioned and they lost about 6 million viewers in the process.
Of course, most of them then saw it on the internet, but it's still pretty funny that nothing is going right for McCain or Palin these days.
Also, I don't know if this is true or not, but did Tina Fey really snub Palin after the opening? I guess Fey was long gone out of the building when Palin opened the show and soon after asked to meet her.
October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry for the OT, but i got forwarded this (from a one-time republican!) and it seems like a good idea:
thing is, that number is the clinton foundation. is there a better way to get in touch with bubba?
October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try leaving a message at:
Dusk Til Dawn Entertainment
301 E 110th St, New York, NY
(212) 987-8512
October 21, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
no link? sluggard.
October 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
All you got left are bad jokes, huh?
October 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last night, Billy was campaigning for O in St. Louis suburb of Kirkwood, MO. The crowd at his rally was twice as big as McLame's in the nearby town. Michelle's crowd at Florida rallies is bigger than Billy's. Billy is doing what he's told by the campaign. He'll be in OH next week. No complaint.
October 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
PPP Florida Poll: Obama 48 McCain 47
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Florida_1021836.pdf
October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin has no gravitas to be making foreign policy attacks on Obama - it just doesn't work. Sure her true-believers eat it up, but it's not those supporters that need convincing.
John McCain should be making these attacks, and if not McCain then they should bring in a FP attack dog (and not Rudy).
Then again what FP experts could McCain use in this role? Most are connected to Bush/Cheney/Rummy - I guess Luger or Hagel, but both don't seem to be too supportive of the McCain ticket. I mean you can't burn your credibility to go on and attack Obama for not being ready when Palin is on the GOP ticket.
October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The amount of tolerance for cognitive dissonance that it must require to be a McCain-Palin supporter these days cannot be measured by any known mathematical calculations.
October 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nicely put, RedMolly!
October 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, part of the problem may be that their has to be measureable cognitive activity taking place in order for cognitive dissonance to occur.
October 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, it's not good to use the word "their" instead of "there" when you're accusing someone else of a lack of cognitive activity.
October 21, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, Dems are never held to the same standards they hold Reps to around here...no one will even notice.
October 21, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, Sarah Palin would read your remark and have to look up most words, while still not grasping your meaning :)
October 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Done!
October 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And so true.
October 21, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point in the campaign, its' simply a numbers game. McCain holds a rally in Virginia and draws in about 3000 to 4000 while at the same time Obama is holding one in St. Louis estimated to be a little over 100,000 and another the following day in another city with about 75,000 attending. So expect McCain and Palin to both be the leading actors in the play, Last Act of a Disparate Man right up to election day.
October 21, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
disparate = desperate
October 21, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or 15 in Missouri.
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/10/20/mccain-land-columbia-regional-airport/
October 21, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The comments under this are really interesting. All about the economy and taxes, most supporting Obama. Not a one discussing foreign policy.
October 21, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain/Palin--Mavericks (we make it up as we go along)
McCain and Palin are proving to be a great comedy team...but, frankly, their act can never make it to the White House.
October 21, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, won't somebody get me a tracking poll composite? I need my fix!
October 21, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the lipstick. The double application for endless lustre allows her to speak out of both sides of her mouth with incredible felicity and confidence.
McCain must use a special lip balm to be as adept as she is.
October 21, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin is all over the lot as she tries to build some sort of base for her 2012 run.
I think even the McCain campaign realize her future plans make her too risky to send anywhere but venues that will have no impact on the results.
Oh how I hop she would face Obama in 012 head on. So he can put the final dagger in the Reagan devolution.
October 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink