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Obama Hammers "Radical" McCain For Refusing To Say Health Care Is A Right

Speaking in Indiana right now, Obama hits McCain for a key health care answer at last night's debate, and links the attack to a ratcheted up emotional appeal on the issue, recounting his mother's twin battles with cancer and with insurance companies. From the prepared remarks:

Take health care. We were both asked whether we believed that health care should finally be the right of every American. I believe it should. But Senator McCain didn't say that. And when you look at his radical health care plan, you can see why....

Senator McCain didn't tell us about the studies that say his plan would cause 20 million Americans to lose their health insurance, or how the Chamber of Commerce said it would be a disaster for businesses, or how it would de-regulate the insurance industry so that they don't have to cover things like mammograms, or vaccinations, or maternity care. He thinks we won't notice these things.

Well, I've got news for John McCain: we notice, we know better, and we're not going to let him get away with it.

This issue is personal for me. My mother died of ovarian cancer at the age of 53, and I'll never forget how she spent the final months of her life lying in a hospital bed, fighting with her insurance company because they claimed that her cancer was a pre-existing condition and didn't want to pay for treatment. If I am President, I will make sure those insurance companies can never do that again.

That last line has accents of Bill Clinton's familar refrain in the early 1990s, when he promised health care that can "never be taken away" (no need to dwell on how that one turned out). There are no indications that the economy is going anywhere as the central issue of this campaign, and no indications that Obama has any intention to let up on it.

Full text of Obama's remarks after the jump.

We meet today at a moment of great uncertainty for America. Yesterday, we saw another significant drop in the stock market as the anxiety about this financial crisis grew worse. Overnight, the same thing happened with markets around the world. And this morning, the Federal Reserve took swift action together with other nations to stem what is now a full-blown global financial crisis. I support that action, as I've said before that this is a global problem and it needs to be solved through a global effort. I hope this global response continues as leaders of major financial institutions and representatives from nations around the world gather in Washington soon.

We are facing a very serious challenge, and all of us - all of us - have a stake in its solution. Because the credit markets are frozen right now, there's a ripple effect throughout our economy. Businesses large and small are finding it impossible to get loans, which means they can't buy new equipment or make payroll. Auto plants that have been around for decades are closing their doors and laying off workers who've never known another job in their entire life. And we have already lost three-quarters of a million jobs just this year.

Here in Indianapolis and all across America, you're seeing your hours get cut or realizing that you can't pay every bill that's sitting on the kitchen counter. It's harder to make the mortgage or fill up your gas tank and some people don't even know whether they'll be able to keep the electricity on at the end of the month. The money you've been putting away for your retirement or your kids' college education is disappearing faster than you can count. The dream that so many generations have fought for feels like it's slowly slipping away.

But I'm here today to tell you that there are better days ahead. I know these are tough times. I know that many of you are anxious about the future. But this isn't a time for fear or panic. This is a time for resolve and leadership. I know that we can steer ourselves out of this crisis. Because that's who we are. Because this is the United States of America. This is a nation that has faced down war and depression; great challenges and great threats. And at each and every moment, we have risen to meet these challenges - not as Democrats, not as Republicans, but as Americans. With resolve. With confidence. With that fundamental belief that here in America, our destiny is not written for us, but by us. That's who we are, and that's the country we need to be right now.

America still has the most talented, most productive workers of any country on Earth who work two jobs or three jobs and take the last bus home at night because they want something more for their children. We're still the home to innovation and technology, colleges and universities that are the envy of the world. Some of the biggest ideas in history have come from our small businesses and our research facilities. It won't be easy, but there's no reason we can't steer ourselves out of this crisis and make this century another American century. Of course we can.

But I also know this. It will take a new direction. It will take new leadership in Washington. It will take a real change in the policies and politics of the last eight years.

And that's why the decision you make in twenty-seven days is so important. That's why this is no ordinary election - because this is no ordinary moment for America.

In last night's debate, John McCain and I each had the chance to make the case for change - to talk about what we would do differently from the last eight years when it comes to lifting our middle-class, growing our economy, and restoring our prosperity. But all we heard from Senator McCain was more of the same Bush economics that led us to this point.

Take health care. We were both asked whether we believed that health care should finally be the right of every American. I believe it should. But Senator McCain didn't say that. And when you look at his radical health care plan, you can see why.

He talks about giving every family a $5,000 credit to buy health care, but he didn't mention last night that he'll also tax your benefits for the first time in history. It's an old Washington bait and switch. He gives you a tax credit with one hand, but raises your taxes with the other. And he didn't mention that the average health care plan costs $12,000 in the first place.

Senator McCain didn't tell us about the studies that say his plan would cause 20 million Americans to lose their health insurance, or how the Chamber of Commerce said it would be a disaster for businesses, or how it would de-regulate the insurance industry so that they don't have to cover things like mammograms, or vaccinations, or maternity care. He thinks we won't notice these things.

Well, I've got news for John McCain: we notice, we know better, and we're not going to let him get away with it.

This issue is personal for me. My mother died of ovarian cancer at the age of 53, and I'll never forget how she spent the final months of her life lying in a hospital bed, fighting with her insurance company because they claimed that her cancer was a pre-existing condition and didn't want to pay for treatment. If I am President, I will make sure those insurance companies can never do that again.

My health care plan will ensure that insurance companies can't discriminate against those who are sick and need care most. If you have health insurance, the only thing that will change under my plan is the amount you pay in premiums. That will be less. And if you don't have health insurance, you'll be able to get the same kind of health insurance that Members of Congress get for themselves. We'll invest in preventative care and new technology to finally lower the cost of health care for families, businesses, and the entire economy. That's the change we need, and that's the choice you face in this election.

Even as so many Americans are worried about their medical bills or keeping their jobs or staying in their homes, Senator McCain's campaign announced last week that they plan to "turn the page" on the discussion about our economy and spend the final weeks of this election attacking me instead. His campaign actually said, and I quote, "if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose."

Well I've got news for John McCain. This isn't about losing a campaign - this is about Americans who are losing their jobs, and their homes, and their life savings. I can take four more weeks of John McCain's attacks, but America can't take four more years of John McCain's George Bush policies. We can't afford four more years of the economic theory that says we should give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else. We can't afford more four years of John McCain's call for less regulation so that no one in Washington is watching anyone on Wall Street. We've seen where that's led us and we're not going back.

It is time to turn the page on eight years of economic policies that put Wall Street before Main Street but ended up hurting both. We need policies that grow our economy from the bottom-up, so that every American, everywhere has the chance to get ahead. Not just corporate CEOs, but their secretaries too. Not just the person who owns the factory, but the men and women who work on its floor. Because if we've learned anything from this economic crisis, it's that we're all connected; we're all in this together; and we will rise or fall as one nation - as one people.

The rescue plan that passed Congress last week isn't the end of what we'll do to strengthen this economy, it's only the beginning. Now we need to pass a rescue plan for the middle-class that will provide every family immediate relief to cope with rising food and gas prices, save one million jobs by rebuilding our schools and roads, and help states and cities avoid budget cuts and tax increases. And we should extend expiring unemployment benefits to those Americans who've lost their jobs and can't find new ones. I've been fighting for this plan for months. My opponent has said nothing. And that is the choice in this election.

You've heard a lot about taxes in this campaign. Well here's the truth - John McCain and I are both offering tax cuts. The difference is, he wants to give the average Fortune 500 CEO a $700,000 tax cut but nothing at all to over 100 million Americans.

I'll give a middle-class tax cut to 95% of all workers. And if you make less than $250,000 a year, you won't see your taxes increase one single dime - not your payroll taxes, not your income taxes, not your capital gains taxes - nothing. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

My opponent wants to give $200 million in tax cuts to the biggest corporations in America. I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

John McCain wants to give tax breaks to the corporations that ship our jobs overseas. If I am President, I will end those tax breaks and give them to companies that create good jobs in the United States of America. That is the choice in this election.

Senator McCain's first reaction to this economic crisis was to say that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." Well I don't know about you, but where I come from there's nothing more fundamental than a job - not just because it provides a paycheck, because it provides a sense of dignity. And if we want to turn this economy around and lead the world in the 21st century, we have to create the high-wage jobs of tomorrow right here in America.

If I am President, I will invest $15 billion a year in renewable sources of energy to create five million new, green jobs over the next decade - jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced; jobs building solar panels and wind turbines and fuel-efficient cars; jobs that will help us end our dependence on oil from Middle East dictators.

I'll also put two million more Americans to work rebuilding our crumbling roads, schools, and bridges - because it is time to build an American infrastructure for the 21st century.

And we'll give every child, everywhere the skills and the knowledge they need to compete with any worker, anywhere in the world. I will not allow countries to out-teach us today so they can out-compete us tomorrow. It is time to provide every American with a world-class education. That means investing in early childhood education. That means recruiting an army of new teachers, and paying them better, and giving them more support in exchange for higher standards and more accountability. And it means making a deal with every American who has the drive and the will but not the money to go to college: if you commit to serving your country after you graduate, we will make sure you can afford your tuition. You invest in America, America will invest in you, and together we will move this country forward.

Finally, I will take on the corruption in Washington and on Wall Street to make sure a crisis like this can never, ever happen again. I'll put in place the common-sense regulations and rules of the road I've been calling for since March - rules that will keep our market free, fair, and honest; rules that will restore accountability and responsibility in our corporate boardrooms.

And just as we demand accountability on Wall Street, I will also demand it in Washington. That's why I'm not going to stand here and simply tell you what I'm going to spend, I'm going to tell you how we're going to save when I am President.

I'll do what you do in your own family budgets and make sure we're spending money wisely. I will go through the entire federal budget, page by page, line by line, and eliminate programs that don't work and aren't needed. We'll start by ending a war in Iraq that's costing $10 billion a month while the Iraqi government sits on a $79 billion surplus. And we'll save billions more by cutting waste, improving management, and strengthening oversight.

These are the changes and reforms we need. A new era of responsibility and accountability on Wall Street and in Washington. Common-sense regulations to prevent a crisis like this from ever happening again. Investments in the technology and innovation that will restore prosperity and lead to new jobs and a new economy for the 21st century. Bottom-up growth that gives every American a fair shot at the American dream.

I won't pretend this will be easy or come without cost. We will all need to sacrifice and we will all need to pull our weight because now more than ever, we are all in this together. What this crisis has taught us is that at the end of the day, there is no real separation between Main Street and Wall Street. There is only the road we're traveling on as Americans - and we will rise or fall on that journey as one nation; as one people.

This country and the dream it represents are being tested in a way that we haven't seen in nearly a century. And future generations will judge ours by how we respond to this test. Will they say that this was a time when America lost its way and its purpose? When we allowed our own petty differences and broken politics to plunge this country into a dark and painful recession?

Or will they say that this was another one of those moments when America overcame? When we battled back from adversity by recognizing that common stake that we have in each other's success?

This is one of those moments. I realize you're cynical and fed up with politics. I understand that you're disappointed and even angry with your leaders. You have every right to be. But despite all of this, I ask of you what's been asked of the American people in times of trial and turmoil throughout our history. I ask you to believe - to believe in yourselves, in each other, and in the future we can build together.

Together, we cannot fail. Not now. Not when we have a crisis to solve and an economy to save. Not when there are so many Americans without jobs and without homes. Not when there are families who can't afford to see a doctor, or send their child to college, or pay their bills at the end of the month. Not when there is a generation that is counting on us to give them the same opportunities and the same chances that we had for ourselves.

We can do this. Americans have done this before. Some of us had grandparents or parents who said maybe I can't go to college but my child can; maybe I can't have my own business but my child can. I may have to rent, but maybe my children will have a home they can call their own. I may not have a lot of money but maybe my child will run for Senate. I might live in a small village but maybe someday my son can be president of the United States of America.

Now it falls to us. Together, we cannot fail. And I need you to make it happen. If you want the next four years looking like the last eight, then I am not your candidate. But if you want real change - if you want an economy that rewards work, and that works for Main Street and Wall Street; if you want tax relief for the middle class and millions of new jobs; if you want health care you can afford and education that helps your kids compete; then I ask you to knock on some doors, make some calls, talk to your neighbors, and give me your vote on November 4th. And if you do, I promise you - we will win Indiana, we will win this election, and then you and I - together - will change this country and change this world. Thank you, God bless you, and may God bless America.



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Nice to see that Obama is keeping up the pressure.

I kind of got the feeling that McCain was hoping that if he stayed away from Ayers/Wright in the debate last night that Obama would pull his punches.

It's foot-on-the-neck time. It's so good to have a candidate that understands that concept.

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(no need to dwell on how that one turned out).

You're on quite the snark roll, Greg.

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Richardson tried universal health care here in NM, and ended up only with better health care for all children. It ain't easy, that's for sure. (Didn't Canada's universal coverage take decades to transition completely in?)

If we try and fail, and end up only with better health care for children, it will still be better than doing nothing, or worse, doing what McCain proposes.

Amen. I see a huge letting-perfect-be-enemy-of-good battle shaping up.

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It took 30 years to make it universal across the country. It is not a gimmicky solution like no child left behind or bush style faith based social initiatives. It will take a lot of effort, honest assessment of errors and commitment, but it can be done.

Due to the nature of Canada's political system it was the provinces (IE states) not the federal government that led the way in providing universal health care to all Canadian citizens. None more so that the socialist led (yes, real honest to god socialists, think Bernie Sanders) Province of Saskatchewan, which had a socialist government from 1944 to 1964.

If you're into the big wonk, here's a book on the provinces unique political culture and relationship to medical services
http://mqup.mcgill.ca/book.php?bookid=1545

The British Labor government of Clement Atlee (1945 to 1951) managed to produce universal health care in one term. Interestingly the conservatives were never able to make it go away, despite several promises and a few serious attempts (Thatcher). Seems regular people really liked the idea. It need not take long to attain the goal if you want it and are willing to expend political capital.

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Gingrich (iirc) is on record from the battles of the 90's talking about how they must prevent universal healthcare from passing, not because it wouldn't work, but because it would, and it would become another great Democratic accomplishment like Social Security. They're going to fight it tooth and nail because it will be good for the country but bad for Republicans, and we all need to continue to be fully engaged after the election.

YES! Health care is a fundamental right of every American (and human, I dare say). I'm glad he's going there.

Beyond dealing with the current financial crunch, my personal hope is that Obama and the Democratic congress make some form of universal/affordable health care possible.

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There are no indications that the economy is going anywhere as the central issue of this campaign...

Anywhere except to a landslide in November.  This issue has got legs.  OTOH, if you had said...

There are no indications that the economy is going anywhere...

... Wall Street would seem to agree with you.

I noticed the lead fart that was McCain's Medicare hack-and-slash proposal didn't get any play last night. Wonder why? Has he abandoned it (like he's likely to abandon the mortgage buy-out idea)?

OT: CT Voter: I am still keeping my mostly-black-cat avitar (codename Buddah) at the ready if this new one doesn't go over too well...

Me too. I expected a new ad to be out the next day when it was first reported. Still no ad, and no mention in the debate.

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I admit, I'm biased. Bring the handsome one back.

He is on fire right now. I'm watching it on CNN. Absolute fire.

Someone in the crowd was causing problems. Later on someone yelled something. I'm pretty sure what I heard - but I won't repeat it as I'm not 100 percent sure. Obama just paused and looked disgusted - then smiled and finished his sentence.

Seems some rabid McCain supporters are in attendance.

On fire? Are you suggesting they should hose him down?

Should I have said it in my best Dick Vitale voice?

Its Awesome Baby!

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He... could... go... all... the... way!!!

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Palin's smears have changed the paradigm. Now McCain hecklers can be tied to her sleazy tactics, secret service involvement in the campaign, and, most importantly, John McCain's temperament and judgment.

One funny thing, if McCain had rejected Paulson's bailout straightaway while calling for a plan similar to the mortgage relief proposal he introduced last night, he'd be on solid terrain while rehabilitating his 'brand.'

But that was then; now he's wriggling in a pit of quicksand. What will the old man do for an encore a week from today?

Watching this speech and then watching McCain/Palin - it is a serious no brainer.

I'm sorry. I know McCain supports. Plenty I trust and admire. I'm still confused how you can come to the decision to vote for McCain.

There is only one choice here. This guy who has ideas and a vision and reminds us how strong we are - lifts us up. Or, the guy whose message is "Obama sucks and I'm not him. Therefore I don't suck. Vote for me. QED."

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I guess that's inevitable. The last refuge of a foundering campaign is having people infiltrate events and stir shit.

I'll guarantee you one thing, though - if it were an Obama supporter heckling at a McCain event, they'd be hustled out the door in no time flat.

At least Obama lets them have their say, such as it is.

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Meant as a reply to mostman.

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I'll guarantee you one thing, though - if it were an Obama supporter heckling at a McCain event, they'd be hustled out the door in no time flat.

If they were lucky, and the Palin supporters didn't get to them first...

Boo-YA!

Must be butter, 'cause he's on a roll!

Sweet sassy molassy!

In Indiana? World Headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan? Gee, I wonder what that epithet could have been.

Fucking Hoosiers.

I find both of their plans unworkable.

For Obama: Once an entitlement program is enacted on a vast scale there is no turning back, that is for sure. And many if not not most are inefficient and fail to fix the problem. Entitlements to the poor merely make them permanent wards of the state. The incentive for medical innovation and excellence will be all but eliminated.

For McCain: His program will not assist those who desire insurance and are without it. It relies too much on the good will of the medical and insurance industry.

I hope that regardless of who is elected nither program is enacted. McCain's would be killed by Congress, Obama's by massive litigation.

"Entitlements to the poor merely make them permanent wards of the state. "

Troll

Tell that to the third and fourth generation families who have always live in housing projects and on welfare.

Perhaps a daily dose of reality will cure your delusions.

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O stop.

You are reducing complicated social and economic issues to cliches and nastiness.


Jees, fogu, you can't even stick to your whine about being banned.

As opposed to the generations of parasitic dependence caused by corporate welfare to pathetic "families" like the Walkers and Bushes.

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My grandfather had colon cancer and had to keep working at a grocery store for supplemental money to cover medicines. Money is the last thing you want to think about when you are sick.

Health care for all is only decent.

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My personal philosophy is that you can tell whether or not a culture is really civilized by how it treats its weakest members - the sick, the elderly, the poverty stricken, criminals.

We fail miserably as a so-called civilized culture and we also fail miserably as a so-called first world country.

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Not to get all Jesus-y here, but I believe Jesus-the-liberal was one of the biggest advocates for the poor and the weak. Society's lepers, if you will.

"Whatever you do for the least of them, you do for me."

Chew on that, Fundies.

PEACE

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The problem is that the fundies don't recognize that Jesus.

Obama's plan would be killed by massive litigation?

Yeah, blame the trial lawyers for all that is bad in America. Until someone screws with you, then who you gonna call?

The incentive for medical innovation and excellence will be all but eliminated.

Not exactly. If you try to tackle the problem using the same rationale that got us into the current situation, it definitely would be unworkable. However, it is possible to provide quality health care to all with out creating wards to the state, etc. Is it worse to have a ward of the state or have someone who could be saved but died because he or she didn't have access to or insufficient health care?

How can one be anti abortion, but not believe basic quality health care is not a right? Everyone should be born, but not have access to treatment when they are alive?

America is far from being the leader in health care. We are great, but not the best in this aspect. Other countries have basic universal health care, but if you so choose or have the ability, you can choose a privately run hospital that may have other options that you like.

Check this link out, it may help:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html?pagewanted=print

"incentives for innovation..."

blah, blah, blah...got any *new* talking points, fogu?

You seem to be operating under the misperception that Obama is proposing a single-payer health care system. He's not.

He's proposing tax breaks for businesses that provide health care to their employees and a federally-sponsored health insurance plan that people can choose to purchase.

We were both asked whether we believed that health care should finally be the right of every American. I believe it should.

Sorry but when it becomes a right it becomes an entitlement. To be a right it must be universal. To be universal it cannot be an opt in situation, it will be guaranteed regardless. It will be universal, single payer or not.

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On CNN last night the Whoops-o-meter was literally pinned to the top by women for nearly the entire time Obama spoke about health care. McCain's line barely fluttered. It's Obama's issue, he owns it. And it's intrinsically tied to the economy and people's daily lives, something McCain is incapable of comprehending. He needs to keep on this and hammer it home.

barack obama is not our father's democrat. Hell, he isn't our our's democrat.

Obama's plan would be killed by massive litigation?

Yeah, blame the trial lawyers for all that is bad in America. Until someone screws with you, then who you gonna call?

Was meant as a reply to tellmemore above. &*(^% blog software!

McCain had no problem comparing health care and hair plugs last night, so why does he have a problem calling it right???

I'm surprised no one's pointed this out:

But notice how all of McCain's statements were "I know how"--i.e. super ego-centric.

Then check this from Obama's speech:

This is one of those moments. I realize you're cynical and fed up with politics. I understand that you're disappointed and even angry with your leaders. You have every right to be. But despite all of this, I ask of you what's been asked of the American people in times of trial and turmoil throughout our history. I ask you to believe - to believe in yourselves, in each other, and in the future we can build together.

The emphasis is on talking TO the voter, not AT them. Classic . . .

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That's one reason he's winning.

:)

God, I get chills READING that.

me too.

Thank you for pointing this out. McCain had a lot of "I know how to get this done" stuff without any information about how he would do it. There were a lot of I's while Obama seemed to have a lot of we's and you's. Did anyone count the pronouns?

Obama is proposing that every American citizen be allowed to buy into the same health care plan that John McCain and Barack Obama enjoy as members of the Senate. All will be eligible, even those with pre-existing conditions.

If the health plan for members of Congress is good enough for John McCain, surely it's good enough for the rest of us.

Keep hitting McCain with the TRUTH!

Keep hitting him HARD!

First time a President has deemed health care a "right", comparable to JFK saying segragation was immoral. First things first. Must proceed to a single payer universal health care system one step at a time. Just remember the three best run systems are government run; medicare, federal employees insurance and the VA system.

My father had what we thought was pretty good health insurance. Then when he got cancer we realized it was not so great. (Thanks fu*k head HMO) His plan for retirement was looking good, owned a dozen houses and thought even with lacking insurance he would be okay were he to survive.
Now? Cancer free, thank God. Zero houses and his retirement savings took a huge hit last week.
Comprehensive health care for all? Oh hell yeah!

Furthermore, I bet my father as a tax payer foot the bill for mcshambles several cancer ops. Not just because he is in the senate, but because he was a vet.
Dad was also a vet, doc said his cancer may very well have been agent orange related. A position mcshambles doesn't agree with.

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All I can say is: Thank god for medicare.

The last time my mother was in the hospital was for the surgery that killed her.

Those bills were around $400,000 by time they'd managed to cut her up like a side of beef and killer her.

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I didn't do a good job with that last comment, but it's not a good subject. Hope you read through the errors -

You have no need to explain.

The health care is a right moment will loom larger on the national political landscape than "that one." Both with alternative energy and a real health care system, Obama is pointing us to our proverbial moon, like JFK did with the Apollo program.

Anyone also notice how often McCain uses the I pronoun while Obama is about we, us and you. It's not that McCain doesn't want to reach out to Americans, I think he doesn't have a clue how to.

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I'm still laughing at McLame and his insistence that they should have had all these town hall meetings.

I bet today he feels differently.

Obama is best in person - he apparently connects with audiences like no one since Bobby Kennedy.

God Mclame is an idiot - the man has no capability for empathy and that always comes across - he can't connect with anyone.

Got an email the other day with a quote attributed to Bobby in 1968 about the probability of a "negro" president in 40 years.

True quote or not, I do believe that if Bobby had to choose one American politican since his death who would be the best to pick up the torch he dropped and carry it to triumph, he would choose Obama.

(Even over Teddy - baby brother, you know.)

I liked the rebuttal in the debate last night where McCain was spouting off about opening up health care to be able to go out of state and Barack pointed out that companies will all set-up base in a State where they believe they have the best regulations (on the side of the insurance companies) just like Delaware and the banks. He took a shot at his own running mate - hows that for Maverick, Johnny?

Here's what I don't like about Obama's healthcare plan, but I very well could be misunderstanding it. Since it's not a complete mandate, it means adults don't need it, but also folks can't be turned away for pre-existing conditions. So a healthy person doesn't have coverage finds out he has cancer, goes gets coverage(that cannot be refused) and the insurance pays for his expensive treatments, and assuming he beats the cancer, he can then cancel his insurance? Meaning his bill for his cancer treatments would be his monthly insurance payments and only until he cancelled?

I think it doesn't work that way. If you can afford it, you will pay a larger fee to get the coverage. You're right the details have to be filled in, but I think most healthy people do want coverage IN CASE.

It's only the healthy people who can't afford it, or can barely afford it, who will take the risk. I was once one of the latter.

This is how Democrats win the values debate.

By buying it?

Incentive payouts
Reduced taxes
Guaranteed health care

This is tantamount to buying votes. Vote for me and you will receive free money.

Fan DAM Tastic! I held my breath at that question last night, terrified that Obama would not say health care is a RIGHT.

He said it SHOULD be a right, which wasn't the "of course it's a right you fucking idiot!" (slaps McCain senseless) that I wanted to see, but acceptable under the circumstances.

I'm sooooooooooo glad he's hammering it today.

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That kind of reasoning is eventually going to cause your head to turn backwards on your neck permanently.

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That was for fogu.

OK I didn't read the whole thing, I just hope he pointed out that people making under $40,000 a year, most people in other words, don't have $5,000 to by insurance and wait for a tax credit.

This is the biggest thing that McCain does not get. Saying you will reimburse someone for something they can not afford in the first place is pointless...

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I like the personal story because it hits back at the absurd right-wing canard that with no government bureaucrats involved, "your health care is between you and your doctor." Only someone who's rich enough to pay out of pocket has no bureaucrats involved in their healthcare, and I'd rather have ones whose job is to ensure I get healthcare and whose bosses are people I elect than ones whose job is to deny care whenever possible and whose bosses profit by it.

It seems that the media forgot their favorite line.

Usually they say: "Senator Obama does not connect" or "he has a problem connecting"

I guess they finally acknowledge that it is no longer an issue...


Senator Obama's mention of the US Chamber of Commerce disagreeing with McCrazy's healthcare plan was the stunner for me personally. hadn't heard about it before last night

US Chamber of Commerce is the de facto lobbying/cheerleading arm of the Mayberry Macchiavelians ...(no entity spent more money lobbying against raising the minimum wage)who have spent the last 8 years saying Bush/Cheney/Republics could do no wrong.

10/7/8 NYT:

saying that "eliminating the income-tax exclusion would "accelerate the erosion of employer-sponsored health insurance and do little to reduce the number of uninsured from 45 million."

simply wow

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Yep, that's so.

What I don't understand about the McCain plan, and I cannot believe Obama did not hit this, is where does a family of 4 with a household income of 50k in this economy can even get the cash to go out and buy health insurance while they wait a year to get their tax credit? What about people who are laid off and won't even pay enough in taxes for there to be a $5000 credit? or do they get the credit even if they owe no taxes? What about small businesses that often run in the red for the first 6 months to 2 years and make losses so they don't pay taxes - do they get a credit, or are they left out in the cold? Middle of the road insurance for a single person in New York is around $6000 a year... it is well over $14,000 for a family of four. Tax credits are fine and good for people doing reasonably well, but what about all the people struggling with credit card debt and energy prices. They'll never be able to bridge the gap under McCain's plan. It is easy to go out of pocket $10,000 - 30k on medical expenses in a year and be screwed while waiting for those to be reimbursed - causing people to actually miss monthly insurance payments... by the time the mcaain tax credit kicks in, it is too little, too late... and not a realistic solution for struggling, poor and un/underemployed Americans. Tax Credits are ELITIST.

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