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New RNC Ad Hits Obama's Ties To Ayers
William Ayers makes his first appearance in a paid TV ad campaign attacking Obama, courtesy of the Republican National Committee:
The RNC reported to the Federal Election Commission today that they plunked down around $5 million for TV ads. While we can't be sure it's all funding this spot, there may be some serious money behind this buy.
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Man-o-man the McCain is now on empty and they're beyond desperate. Its so funny, its actually sad...lol
October 9, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, for #$@#'s sakes.
October 9, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
i don't get it. just cuz they are republicans doesn't mean they are stupid, and yet.......
October 9, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
My mama always said, stupid is as stupid does.
October 9, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ad also brings in Rezko and Mayor Daley. Pretty pathetic ad, and as people watch their 401K vanish, not very effective, at all.
October 9, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ayers? Who is Ayers?
I haven't heard of him before.
October 9, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, there's no gay marriage on the ballot in Ohio. They gotta give the mouth breathers something to be afraid of.
http://pufferfish.typepad.com/
October 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't he the guy who played second base for St Louis Cardinals in the lates fifties?
October 9, 2008 8:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! You maka me laugh. As a huge Cardinal fan and St. Louis native it reminds me of a TV commercial from the '70s about salmonella where they interview "real" folks and one guy says, "wasn't he a hockey player for the St. Louis Blues?". They were the hockey equivalent of food poisoning back then for sure...
Back to politics...
October 9, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Salmonella has been called in to help Sarah Palin prepare for her potential first news conference.
October 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
wow, bud. obscurantist sports reminiscences at a time like this! live up to your namesake and show off your surgical scar instead.
October 9, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
(kidding of course...love your posts...shout out from NYC)
October 9, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its all good. I wonder how many got your scar reference...(I did of course)?
October 9, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fine, let them burn their money this way. just pitiful.
October 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The economy tanks again today and McCain is deeper into lala land,,,, truly denial is more than a river in Egypt.
McCain must be smoking some really powerful Maui wowie.
October 9, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
A scorched earth policy does not follow a logical pattern. It does, however, have a logical objective.
October 9, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
A statement complex in its simplicity. But also true.
October 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tony Blakely on MSNBC tonight said the RNC is about to drop $75 Million on ads before Nov.
This is the first one .
October 9, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Money down a rat hole.
you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
More useless huffing and puffing by the Repubs.
They've run out of gas, and the voters are hip to it.
October 9, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it me or does every time these lame rethug morons attack Barack Obama his polls numbers go up?
October 9, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's not about driving numbers up or down. It's about making Obama divisive, untrustworthy, unseemly, and therefore unable to govern. The goal is to retake power in 2012.
October 9, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's something about trying to make Chicago unAmerican that just doesn't work.
October 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Repubs won't win Illinois for a long long time.
October 9, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I said it a few threads ago and I'll say it again. . .you are witnessing the sad, sad end to McMoron's unremarkable career.
October 9, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
He came in with a bang, but goes out with as a wimper.
October 9, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think John McCain is asking himself, Who is the real John McCain? He doesn't know.
When he was walking around the stage during the debate, I think he was looking for the man he thought he once was.
October 9, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
That and he needed to find Mr. Puddles.
October 9, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was laughing so hard I had tears in my eyes when I saw that. Jon Stewart nailed it!
October 9, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ten years from now, if I'm in situation when I need a little internal laugh, I'll think back to that segment.
October 9, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, who's to say whether these new silly ads by Mc"that one" are not devised in consulation with Palin...I mean, at least that could be the most plausible explanation for such stupid ads...
October 10, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The republican party are like chickens w/ their heads cut off--they're just all over the place.
October 9, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bicentennial Poem # 21,000,000
I know
the boundaries of my nation lie
within myself
but when I see old movies
of the final liberation of Paris
with french tanks rumbling over land
that is their own again
and old french men weeping
hats over their hearts
singing a triumphant national anthem
My eyes fill up with muddy tears
that have no earth to fall upon.
and, our tears will once again have earth to fall upon.
AMEN
October 9, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain is a small man with small ideas. His supporters share his world view. The rest of the nation needs something a little more grown up.
October 9, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain is a small man with small ideas. His supporters share his world view. The rest of the nation needs something a little more grown up.
October 9, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait why is Bill Daley in the ad?
As far as I know, he's not been accused or convicted of any crime.
October 9, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daley machine of libruls stretching back many moons...some say his father *delivered* Chicago for Kennedy. Let's put it this way, if Daley Sr. was on the phone, JFK/LBJ/RFK dropped what they did and answered it.
Ironically, Obama was never really a part of that scene, IIRC.
October 9, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. My first double post.
October 9, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trooper-gate out tomorrow!!!
October 9, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice Maddow is covering the video of Palin supportes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
October 9, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daley is scary?
October 9, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
He brings a gun when you bring a knife.
October 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
CHICAGO
Carl Sandberg
Hog Butcher for the World,
Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
Stormy, husky, brawling,
City of the Big Shoulders:
They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted against the wilderness,
Bareheaded,
Shoveling,
Wrecking,
Planning,
Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his ribs the heart of the people, Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.
October 9, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, bluebell. That is so appropriate!
October 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, thank you.
October 9, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
YES
October 9, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course Daley is scarey,,,,, he's Irish, Irish are scarey, they're not like us,,,, Rome, rum, and revolution and all that.
October 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the inclusion of Daley was meant to invoke the specter of ward bosses and machine politics. Maybe this is fresh in the memory of McCain and those of similar vintage.
Can you say "out of touch"?
October 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfectly appropriate for McCain's "campaign" - not so long ago the Irish were the ni**ers of their day.
October 10, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's amazing, but I'm starting to think conservatives truly don't have even passing familiarity with US markets.
This is serious, folks. We're in real financial trouble.
Japanese markets are tanking. It's a bloodbath. It's going to get worse, and it isn't going away.
This smear about Ayres and Daley may or may not be politically effective, in an ordinary campaign year.
This year, it looks like the off-topic ranting of lunatics.
October 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember when the S.S.Titanic was sinking the band was playing? Well, McCain is the bandleader of this orchestra.
October 9, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say "G'night," Grampy!
Say "G'night," Vampy!
You're through!
October 9, 2008 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay let's grant that the Republicans are slimy demagogues.
But let's also ask a simple question. What the hell was Obama actually thinking? Why go to a fundraiser in Ayer's house in the first place.
Wasn't that a boneheaded move?
Of course, it doesn't show anything deep about Obama -- that he's a terrorist sympathizer, etc. All that is bullshit demagoguery.
But if you were advising him way back when on how to launch an ambitious political career, would you have said to him something like A:
"Okay, go to the fundraiser at Ayer's place. That'll never come back to haunt you. No slimy demagogue will ever use that against you. And if one does try to, the voters will be smart enough to see through it."
Or Something like B:
"Don't do it man. I know Ayers has done some good things since his bad boy days. But there's no upside for you in associating with this guy. Someday some slimy demagogue will make hay out of this. And people are taken in by that sort of crap. So don't set yourself up man. Just don't do it."
I would have said something like B to him.
October 9, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe it was an error in judgment, but only on the basis of appearances. When you figure in that it happened decades after Ayers committed the acts, and over a decade ago, when Obama was just beginning his political career, it's pretty weak as a political attack.
October 9, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look (as Obama keeps saying): As a Catholic, if for no other reason, I believe abortion to be, in most cases, a very bad thing. A lot more lives are cut off by abortion than by anything Ayers ever dreamed of doing. But some of my best friends disagree with me, and I associate a hell of a lot more with them than Obama ever did with Ayers.
Does that make me a proponent of abortion? No. It makes me a relatively civilized member of a democratic society.
Obama is at least that.
October 9, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing I can conclude is that it hasn't quite hit Americans yet how serious our financial crisis is.
It's hard for me to get my arms around, but,then, I am not wandering around in denial, ranting about "socialists".
I think John McCain is taking an enormous gamble. He seems completely unable to come up with any rational response to the worst economic crisis since the Depression. Americans are going to notice this, and relatively quickly, I would think. He could be completely discredited as a serious candidate in a matter of days.
October 9, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
They (The Republicans) keep this up and Obama will come up with a Who is John McCain Ad and have the money to broadcast it!
October 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
If McCain thought this was THE issue, why then over the last two years as Obama has been running for president, did McCain not bring it up? Why was he running Brittney Spears/Paris Hilton commercials all summer? Why did it only get to be an issue when "that one" went up in the polls?
October 9, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
They thought everyone knew that Brit and Paris were terrorist sympathizers.
October 9, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good god - are the Republicans totally insane?
Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, one Repug in Congress after another arrested for some kind of deviant sex, diddling pages, ruining the economy, Halliburton, no bid contracts in Iraq, 9 million dollars - missing since 2004, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, domestic spying,
Goddamn, I wish the DNC would fire back with a just one long list of Republican crimes -
October 9, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Dean Hammer is comming!
October 9, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0gvR0va7AI
Theres this video which needs to be updated.
October 9, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's those terrorist pals, the Annenbergs--you know, friends of Ronald Reagan.
Anyway, they seemed okay with Ayers. They got Ayers to work on one of their foundations. Really, the Annenbergs are hanging around with terrorists? Really? Cuz, John McCain, that's what you're saying.
I guess now we can ask, how well did we really know Ronald Reagan?
October 9, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
mccain's not-to-be-questioned integrity was the centerpiece of his whole campaign narrative.
he figured that he had built up so much house credit, especially with the media, that he could gamble away some negligible portion of his integrity on a bet that he could quickly and permanently tarnish obama. unfortunately for mccain, clinton gambled first and lost, leaving mccain with no cards to play. like the inveterate gambler he's rumored to be, mccain stubbornly doubled-down and bet his integrity on an empty hand, and predictably lost.
without his integrity, he no longer has a compelling story for the voters, and he's been flailing and flopping and lurching about ever since for some other reason to justify the continued existence of his campaign.
which just reveals how hollow the enterprise is. this is a vanity campaign. it's all about him. its all about how mccain deserved to win. now that the sterling biography's gone, and worse, now that the collapsing economy is reminding voters that the election is all about the voters, he can't even articulate a coherent narrative or plan that focuses on their lives and how he intends to improve it.
the only question left seems to be whether he'll lose like a gentleman.
October 9, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that has been settled - whether he'll lose like a gentleman - the answer is No.
October 9, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
whether McCain was ever truly a gentleman, the answer is no.
October 9, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh wow, they are still bringing up the bridge to nowhere crap in their rallys.
October 9, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
OB=44
86 43
October 9, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT: Very small thing, I know, but I frivolously put up a profile pic of me at the age of 7. I meant to use it for a couple of days. The site will not allow me, however, to change the pic.
Anybody else having this problem -- which I admit is rather small in comparison to the collapse of Wall Street, but the software weakness of this site is not encouraging either.
October 9, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't really help you with the software issues, but....please don't change your picture! I love it!
October 9, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Breaking news!!!
The McCain/Palin campaign has just released a report on Troopergate...shockingly, they've cleared Palin of all wrongdoing.
Whooo! I'm glad that's cleared up.
October 9, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
They seem to be rather nervous about the report that's coming out in the morning.
:)
October 9, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
For a sec I thought it was for real...my snark-o-meter needs repair
October 9, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I was being a little snarky....but the report by the McCain campaign is real. They just mentioned it on Larry King and Rachel Maddow.
October 9, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain Camp fallacy: we shall lie and the people will listen.
October 9, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah she released her own report on herself in advance of the real report that is coming out in the morning.
October 9, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Their hope is the media will, in an attempt to be fair, will say that there are reports claiming both sides of the issue, without saying who created the "reports."
October 9, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's so very "soviet-style" propaganda-ish of them, don't you think?
October 9, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Odds that McCain takes off a shoe and bangs it on his podium during the third debate: 5:2
October 9, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did Kruschev then throw his shoe at anyone?
'Cuz I can totally see McCain lobbing it at Obama, climbing down from the milkcrate hidden behind the lecturn, and then storming off the stage in a fit of rage. I'd put money on that.
October 9, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who would have thought we have a nominee of a major political party who was less in control than Kruschev.
October 9, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hopefully, like Kruschev, McCain will also be kicked to the curb.
October 9, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeez...They really hinge their hopes on the assumption country has enough dumdfucks to see them through. I'm sure, if there are any dynamites in the report we'll hear from the highest quarters of the Obama camp.
Biden, I think.
October 9, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
AP writes: "Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing."
Meaning this is preemptive strike at the sovereignty of the Alaska legislative branch.
October 9, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, the webs we weave...
http://thetruthburns.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/the-tragedy-of-maccain/
October 9, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like i said on the previous post, this is McCain's last dance in the political arena thats why he is throwing everything on the wall, no regrets.
John McCain will retire from politics when his senatorial term comes to an end. You can bet on it.
October 9, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
or just die, that's the other option.
October 10, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is big. DailySource.org has found a video of Palin lying about Troopergate. This story has not been covered by the national news media or the alternative yet.
It has the potential to be a gigantic story because it shows she lied about her reason for firing the chief of the state police. It's archival video from a local TV station in Alaska and has not been seen by anyone outside of Alaska - and it won't unless word spreads of it - view it here:
http://dailysource.org/special/palin/146
Please spread the word.
October 9, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
i bet this wont get played much in the MSM
October 9, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people at McCain/Palin rally's are the worse dressed people in the country.
October 9, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And based on the clips I've seen of today's rally - the whitest.
There was a serious lack of pigment in that crowd.
October 9, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm placing bets on worst teeth.
October 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
In general, they weren't the youngest crowd, either.
October 9, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most were the oldies from the lynch era. If you saw any young, they were the children of lynch mob heritage.
October 9, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
But they have the latest in pitchforks and torches.
October 9, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish I could draw New Yorker type cartoons. I'd love to draw a picture of Palin and McCain ragging on stage with some stereotypical GOP folks in the audience. Some people in white hoods, others holding their bibles over their heads, a few skin heads doing nazi salutes and of course people holding pitchforks and torches.
October 9, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ACORN voter fraud issue is real and Obama should get out in front of it right now. Unlike Ayers and Wright, this matter is serious and may resonate. In fact, Obama can simultaneously help wipe the nonsense scandals off the news and do himself a solid on integrity by making a forceful, unequivocal denunciation of voter fraud, whether by ACORN or anyone else. That will also pave the ground for his SWAT Team of election fraud lawyers, who will deployed to combat the ineluctable Republican voting shenanigans that are heading down the pike.
October 9, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like to provide some backup sources for your accusations, ace?
October 9, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
What accusations, sport?
October 9, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
your accusations of voter fraud by ACORN that Obama "has to get out in front of"
don't be disingenuous -
October 9, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ACORN stuff? Are you kidding? It's all over the news. There are criminal investigations ongoing in several states. Even the ACORN people are saying it's happened. What in the world is the problem w Obama denouncing voter fraud? It's not like he's responsible for it or he did it.
You know, it's not only right-wingers who can be blind.
October 9, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude -"all over the news" still isn't a link to a source.
So until you produce for me - you can keep your snark.
October 9, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what he orchestrated it? He was the mastermind behind it? Why should he get in front of it?
October 9, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what he orchestrated it? He was the mastermind behind it? Why should he get in front of it?
October 9, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I already stated what I see as the tactical reasons for doing so. But there's another reason, a bigger reason in my view: Because it's the right thing to do. Voter fraud is bad. I should think Democrats would feel pretty strongly about this topic.
October 9, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
We do, but just not over false Fox news outrage.
Stuff like http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?hp does bother us though.
October 9, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe we should be asking McCain why he isn't denouncing the apparently illegal purging of names from voter registrations rolls as reported by the NY Times.
October 9, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
WORD.
October 10, 2008 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone else see Larry King tonight?
Michelle Laxalt, a Repub, was superb, condemning the Palin pick, the McSame campaign and the gutter politics they're trotting out with the Ayers bullshit.
How refreshing, an intellectually honest Republican.
October 9, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, Bay Buchanan was also on there spewing the McSame talking points and defending Palin, saying Mitt Romney couldn't have pulled off the "Obama sized rallies" that Palin has.
Wait, I thought big rallies were supposed to be bad?
LOL!
October 9, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bay must've caught Palin-mania from her brother. I think it was last night on Maddow that he said if it wasn't for Palin, McCain would be losing by 25 points.
October 9, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, this is my favorite blog, and I enjoy reading all the posts. It quenches my snark thirst.
Anyway, Drudge has issued this little teaser:
"Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq... Developing... "
Another blog posted the same story from Drudge and added the words "Biden may leave campaign if true."
This on the heels of the Ayers ghostwriting "Dreams from My Father."
My head hurts from trying to ignore this crap. Ignorance is not my strong suit.
October 9, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I meant to say on the heels of the now-alleged Ayers ghostwriting "Dreams from My Father."
My brain has turned to jello (on a wall).
October 9, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vous êtes un troll et vous devriez partir. En d'autres termes, vous êtes morceau de merde.
October 9, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Non, je ne suis pas une trolle.
I'm a Democrat who is going to vote for Obama. I was just coming here to vent my frustration with all the junk that is being dredged up. I've been trying to Google up the truth, and new I would find it here.
Sorry I missed the debunking. I try to stay current, but I guess that got by me. I'm getting all this stuff on the second go-round.
At any rate, I'm on your team. I'm curious as to what in my post led you to call me a troll anyway.
Yours was a knee-jerk reaction that I don't usually see here.
October 9, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just it was a story that the trolls were throwing around some time ago. The thrust of the allegation is that Obama was undermining US foreign policy for his own political ends. It was utterly false and immediately debunked. So the way your post was written appeared to be a troll who was posing as someone who on the team but is concerned about some recent news item, i.e. the concern troll.
October 9, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Peace? Truce?
I usually have TPM on my laptop while I watch debates just because I like hanging with like-minded folks.
Sorry my post was worded ambiguously. As I said, I was frustrated after reading the junk. That's all.
October 9, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Peace. The likes of fogu and our newest asshole tellmemore have made me overly-sensitive it would seem.
October 9, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very familiar with Fogu. He just gets bored in his mom's basement.
So, are you living in Indiana, or simply a native Hoosier?
October 9, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Muncie.
October 9, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I'm not a piece of crap either. In English or French.
October 9, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I apologize. You are not a piece of crap. I mistook what you saying as being from a snide concern troll. Again apologies, from one Hoosier to another.
October 9, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad this Buckeye didn't have to help mediate a Hoosier hoe-down!
lol
4akinderworld: this is my fave too, and it has been since the early primaries. Kos and HuffPo are pretty good too, and FiveThirtyEight is another good one for polling. Real Clear Politics and Rasmussen will let you know what the Repubs are "thinking."
No need to torture yourself visiting Drudge.
October 9, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
That story about Iraq popped up a few weeks ago and went nowhere.
October 9, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't that the story pushed by the jackass neocon fom the NY Post several weeks ago?
In addition, what would Biden have to do with it? I thought the trip to Iraq occurred before Biden had even been chosen....I'm not getting the connection.
Although, I hadn't heard the Ayers ghostwriting theory....that's a good one. LOL!!!
October 9, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, its hard to beat Drudge headlines for snark sometimes...
October 9, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
That Drudgereport has been debunked by Hagel A LONG TIME AGO.
October 9, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the trolls have is old debunked news. It so sad and pathetic.
October 9, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, Acamus. I didn't write what I did as a way to troll or even concern troll. Some story I read was linked to Politico, and in the comment section, I saw that crap from Drudge. And it made me tired, and I wanted to go somewhere friendly and vent.
I live in Indianapolis, and I'm voting Obama-Biden.
October 9, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm still hoping we can pull out Indiana. If the trends continue, do you think it might happen?
October 9, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a lot of friends who ordinarily vote a straight Republican ticket who will for the first time pull a Democrat lever for Obama/Biden!
At one time today, one of the polls had them in a dead heat. Unheard of.
October 9, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here in east central Indiana it is basically a tie. I think we'll see what we're seeing in places like WV, where economic interests trump racist views.
October 9, 2008 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indiana does at least have some college towns and a decent number of African-Americans.
If it's a tie in East central, then I believe Obama's got a chance, especially if Indy and the Chicago metro area come out heavily.
October 9, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is truly about the GOTV with IN, especially with the college students. Where I live, the county (ie the lone Repub on a committee of three) killed a bill that would have allowed voting on campus (at no cost to the county). So now the students have to travel a mile or so to get to the voting booths, increasing wait time. Nothing like the Repubs trying to suppress the votes. But if we can get the Ball State, Perdue, Notre Dame, IU, and others to come out in force we might have a chance. And in my area the unions are still pretty strong and pulling for "that one."
October 9, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I noticed that you didn't mention Dan Quayle's alma mater.
lol
October 9, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the Boilermakers out there will hate me for misspelling Purdue. I can't win tonight.
October 9, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn no spell check!
October 9, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repeating myself, but this is making me crazy. If BOTH Indiana and West Virgina go for Obama and Kentucky does not, we will never live it down.
Hard to imagine getting less national respect than we already do, but we've always been able to hold our heads up above Mississippi and Alabama at least.
Obama, come to Kentucky! One personal appearance in the east and another in the west will probably do it - we're a cheap date.
October 10, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes it's so very.
October 9, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is anyone watching AC360?
Ed Gillespie just said that there's a good chance that the Repubs may lose as many as 10 senate seats and 25 house seats. "The floor is dropping" and he said he owes it to the party to get off the Ayers stuff and start talking about the economy.
I'll also note that David Gergen said that McCain's rallies are getting "incendiary" and that we're not that far from the point where the "rhetoric" could lead to violence.
The best point was when Paul Begala called everyone out for the "false-equivalency" that both campaigns were equally negative. I'm so tired of the press pulling that crap and I'm glad Begala finally pointed out that Obama's rallies don't feature people yelling violent and racist things out.
October 9, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
O my word, Schrodinger - that's just lovely!
October 9, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The proverbial worm is indeed turning.
October 9, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's about half-turned, acamus.
{grin}
October 9, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Paul Begala!
I tire of the David Broder type media handwringing that infect the beltway and corporate media that "both sides are negative and wrong," when it's only one.
Hear! Hear!
October 9, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second that.
October 9, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally. Jeebus. Thanks for the info Schro...
October 9, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, guys....it was Ed "Rollins"...not Ed "Gillespie".
It's way past my bedtime.
October 9, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republican smell of desperation is thick in the air. I can't wait till this election is over.
October 9, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
This latest RNC ad has been pulled. Ben Smith over at Politico says that its producer, Brad Todd has removed it from YouTube which is the only place it had been seen so far.
October 9, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
IndyEllen as in Indianapolis or independent?
Just curious - I'm in Indianapolis, too.
October 9, 2008 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope -- Indy as in Independent.
October 9, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's good news -
October 9, 2008 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any word on why? Has one of McCain's several personalities once again changed its mind on hitting the Ayers thing?
October 9, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a new topic that McCain and company want to cover -- Obama's purported drug use.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/mccain-surrogate-raises-obamas-past-drug-use/
October 9, 2008 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
10 bucks says McCain retools *again* and we see the "empathetic, honorable, POW" next week...
October 9, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that the moderates like Gergen are turning on him, I would expect something like this, in the hopes that even though he lost he was still an honorable and decent man. I have news for him: Too fucking late.
October 9, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
October 9, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
And he would start the speech with, "My friends,..." God how I hate that phrase now.
October 9, 2008 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ed Rollins said that about Obama probably going to win by a landslide. He thinks it's over for McCain.
October 9, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're saying the L word out loud in public.
Goddamn!
October 9, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where's Rollins on?
I'm watching Rachel Maddow since my wife and daughter (home on fall break) monopolized the TV earlier watching Ugly Betty and CSI.
October 9, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was on Anderson Cooper 360.
October 9, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is wrong with you? You insult people who support Obama just because they don't think in lockstep with you?
October 9, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is directed at me. If so, I did not insult someone who supports Obama just because he disagreed with me. I insulted what I mistakenly thought was a, in the true definition, a concern troll. I have apologized to the poster.
October 9, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you in Richmond, by chance?
October 9, 2008 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Muncie.
October 9, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excuse me, I don't want to throw gasoline on a fire, but what the hell is going on?
Somebody no one recognizes comes in, starts posting ancient, debunked bullshit smears about Obama and is actually rather well, considering. acamus is hit and is a gentleman about it.
Now you come out of nowhere and hit Acamus from the other side?
This is very interesting.
October 9, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your comment makes me think McCain should play the Bowie song "putting out the fire with gasoline" after his (and Palin's) rallies.
October 9, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I should introduce myself. Acamus and I have worked it out - we're fellow Hoosiers.
I'm a long-time reader, first-time poster, and I guess I worded things in a way that made the residents here think I was a concern troll. I was behind on the bullshit, because today was the first time I'd heard those two rumors. And I apologize for making such a mess of things.
Tena, I have always enjoyed what you write. You write like I think, but I evidently don't write as well as I think.
As for Wbgone, he doesn't represent me. Like I said, I'm sorry about the mess my initial post caused. I meant well. sigh
October 10, 2008 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also, it's a custom for most concern trolls to show up late nights. Usually, we hear at least one "smoking gun" story and recently we're hearing more than one per night.
Frankly, it's mentally tiring to hear anyone bring news updates from Drudge or that ACORN crap from PUMA blog's. Especially to let us know we all should freakout.
Especially, PUMA's are the ugliest, they're trying to lynch Obama and they don't even support the old white guy.
October 9, 2008 11:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Essentially - any mofo who brings Drudge for his source for any damn thing is immediately suspect as far as I'm concerned.
October 9, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is this, the high-school lunch room?
You people are as reactionary as the right-wing lunatics you so despise. Ironic, no?
October 9, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
What. Ever.
October 9, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
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October 9, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo!
Just what I thought.
Drudge is a high-school lunchroom asshole. If someone isn't a reliable source, they aren't a reliable source.
Drudge is only reliably wrong 88% of the time.
October 9, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not saying your a troll. Dude, I'm just saying why someone may think so.
I gather from the above posts your a Obama supporter, if so, all I have to say just chilax (love that word), get a drink and take a deep breath.
October 9, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word up! It's late. Get mellow -
October 9, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually this isn't the poster I mistakenly thought was a concern troll (fellow Hoosier 4akinderworld). This is a real troll.
October 9, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I appreciate it. This reminds me why I'm an independent.
October 9, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well you come over here and say ACORN stuff is all over the news. Which news are you talking about exactly?
October 9, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word.
the only people talking about ACORN are the wingnutz.
October 9, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awww geez....
October 9, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lord love it - instead of whining, why don't you try to act like you want to join in? Then maybe your hostility won't produce hostility in us.
Or maybe you'll keep getting bent out of shape cause you really are a troll.
As acamus said: what. ever.
October 9, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why then are you here on this thread making comments? Obviously you find no value in this particular online community.
October 9, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wbgone. I'm sorry I mistook you from other blogger. But just had a peek at your previous posts (almost all on ACORN shit).
Now I know you're a certified concern troll, probably representing racist fuckers from PUMA.
Can I just say- FO.
TY.
October 9, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll second what you say.
October 9, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gergen is on Colbert saying they need reign Palin in - and he's going off on the mob stuff - and saying the Kill Him thing.
Wowowowowow!!!!!
October 9, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The moderate Repubs have had enough. Wow. You know that McCain and company have gone to far when this happens.
October 9, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well hopefully some of those pudnits watch those youtube clips of Palin supporters.
October 9, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was really coming down on the "Kill him" thing - he was outraged.
He also admitted that the press had eased off on Palin because - his excuse - there are people she speaks for who think the press isn't ever fair to them (is the press ever going to get over this bullshit? Jesus - they don't have to talk down to idiots and make the rest of us suffer) anyway, he thinks it's way over the line now.
October 9, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The guy is about as even keeled as God can create. The only other time I have seen him actually angry was when the House GOP torpedoed the bailout bill the first time. There is definitely some change going on, and I think a lot of people, including Gergen are reassessing what side of the aisle they want to be on.
October 9, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well it's all part of the same thing - the Republican Party moved away from people like that and now it's coming apart after one of the most epic fails in our history. I really hope that serious conservatives start work on putting together a real party again. I don't like the idea of not having a viable opposition party. It isn't good for us, either.
October 9, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that we need a good opposition party. If they were the party that Gergen wants, I would agree with them, but I would respect them.
As Michelle Obama said on Larry King regarding Obama's approach, we can disagree without being disagreeable.
October 10, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dang. That should read: "I wouldn't agree with them, but I would respect them."
October 10, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
My hope is that one of them will take McCain aside and tell him to cut the shit.
October 9, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
My hope really is that the Secret Service sit McCain and Palin down and have a come to Jesus moment.
October 9, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing that would get McCain to stop doing these retarded attacks is if the poll numbers show that its hurting him.
October 9, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
O I think the Secret Service could probably make an impression.
So far I think they've only talked to aides in the campaign.
October 10, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, to have that on video.
October 9, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I responded to your post that mentioned Nietzsche on the other thread. Looks like you did not see it.
October 9, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
No I didn't - I hope it wasn't a serious post cause that was a flippant remark.
October 10, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothinious, but I put some serious thinking into it. I'd appreciate it.
October 10, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
All of this is wrong She was just making this stuff up :
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131ap_palin_oil_exports.html
October 10, 2008 1:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
No way you mean the energy "expert" muffed this one as well? She is a total sham. She has less credibility than any politician in recent memory. BTW how many Hannity interviews are they going to do? One a week? I mean surely they should aim for more given the "insightful," "tough," and "objective" questions he asks. Seriously they might as well get Rove to interview them...now that I think about it I bet that is mere days away
October 10, 2008 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
this ad looks like another badman trailer, not very effective. Looks like he is "getting a little thin up there"
October 10, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who are these Annenbergs who lure emerging politicians into liaisons with known terrorists? If we're going to get to the bottom of this Ayers affair, I think we need to know the Annenberg's intentions regarding the indoctrination of our young. But please, just the condensed version!
October 10, 2008 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
What the hell was Obama actually thinking? Why go to a fundraiser in Ayer's house in the first place?
Was it that a boneheaded move?
Alice Palmer was stepping down from her state senate seat to run for US Congress (though she resumed her run months later when she lost primary). She offered to take him for a coffee gathering to introduce him to a group of active supporters and offer her endorsement.
So what he was probably thinking was "This is great that Alice is supporting me running and introducing me to these people".
He went to Ayers in the first place because she invited him. It was a fundraiser but Ayers did not donate to him at all in his run. (He donated $200 dollars once a few years later)
Was it boneheaded? Hmmm. He was running for the Senate in that area. The current Senator invited him...to go to the house of a Professor of Education well known in Democratic and do gooder circles, well thought of.
Did he know in 95 about Ayers past? I am a little older than Obama and while I could have said vaguely what the group had done I didn't know names. He was probably not introduced as a past terrorist but as Bill or Professor Ayers.
What if he did know...or what should he do when he did learn? The law held nothing against Ayers, the University didn't, the party did not, Senator Palmer did not. I'd guess that the Christian thing to do would be polite.
I don't defend Ayers actions but how long do you have to be an upstanding citizen before it's OK to be gracious to you?
He did not say he wish he'd bombed more...he said he wish they had done more to end the war.
If he ever wanted to go beyond Chicago politics it would have been a bad call to "pal around with him". I don't think anything he did with the man classifies as boneheaded or as palling around.
October 10, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't the GOPers get Mr Rove's memo? You’re supposed to drop this subject, because it turns out there is not now, nor has there ever been, any evidence whatsoever that could possibly be construed to suggest, even to Rush Limbaugh’s drug-addled brain, that a United States Senator had any sort of link to terrorists.
We ended that back in the Reagan Administration, when Sen. McCain got caught up in Iran-Contra, remember?
So, just cool it, folks.
False alarm.
Nothing to it.
Just go about your business, good citizens.
October 10, 2008 3:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Contra terrorists? McSame???
October 10, 2008 3:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is not the 1st Ayers Ad. Republicans have ran Ayers ads before, during the Olympics.
October 10, 2008 8:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
from zogby's tracking poll that has obama up by 6:
The rolling survey was conducted in part after the McCain campaign launched attacks against Obama for his associations with a former pastor and a one-time leader of a radical group in the 1960s, but McCain, not Obama, is the one who has lost ground in the last two days since this new McCain campaign strategy was ratcheted up. This may be a reaction by likely voters to negative campaign tactics, which have not worked this year.
October 10, 2008 8:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
New R2K Obama 52 the other guy 40. Zogby also has lead expanding though frankly I think their pollster is a complete hack. Mccain is desperate. Nilap doesnt care. The RNC has enough problems trying to prevent 60. The MSM is not providing its usual POW top cover.
He is running (ok stumbling) out of money, time and coherence. He is surrounded by greedy, ambitious Rovites that have little or no clue how to react in the face of a organized, on message and well funded campaign.
His true colors are being shown. Angry, bitter, sarcastic, cowardly and most of all he is like a wrist watch showing up on a Centurion's wrist in Ben Hur a political anachorism
October 10, 2008 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
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October 10, 2008 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nicely done.
October 10, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe Obama is better than his nasty so-called supporters here. After he wins, you left-wing fools can continue to rant against the right-wing fools. That will keep all you haters occupied and keep the venom where it belongs. I will be glad to part company with you all. In the meantime I will comment as necessary.
There is a reason, you know, that the Democrats were in the wilderness for so long. If you want to know that reason, look in the mirror.
Go Obama!
October 10, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
yawn
October 10, 2008 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, there's about 10 Republican senators and about 25 Republican reps. that are going to get tickets to the wilderness.
October 10, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's slide on Intrade continues, down another 5.6 points this morning.
McCain's attacks aren't working.
October 10, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
just got to say if the American people fall for this when the stock markets are collapsing and the economy is doing the same then we are truly lost
October 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink