New Dole Attack Ad: Hagan Went To A Party Hosted By Atheists!
Senator Elizabeth Dole (R-NC), who's trailing in the polls, is up with another nasty TV spot attacking her Dem opponent as a tool of "Godless Americans" and the atheist agenda -- in fact, Hagan is criticized for even going to a party with atheists:
"If Godless Americans threw a party in your honor," the announcer says, "would you go?"
Here's the basis of the Dole camp's claim that Hagan has sold out to the atheist agenda: Hagan attended a fundraiser up in Boston hosted by literally dozens of donors, two of whom happen to head up a little-known atheist group on the side called the Godless Americans PAC. The PAC itself never even donated to Hagan, who for her part is a regular church-goer and Sunday school teacher.
"I just think Elizabeth Dole is trying to top out her desperation day by day," Hagan spokesperson Colleen Flanagan told Election Central.
I really loved Hagan's response to the first ad - I thought it was perfect - especially the ending.
I can't believe Libby Dole is still going to push this - after Hagan just straight said that Libby is "bearing false witness against a fellow Christian."
You have balls, Libby. They are nasty things, but you got em.
October 31, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first one was almost universally criticized on national TV and she's going back for seconds?
October 31, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know - the entire Repug strategy this time seems to be - when it isn't working, do more of it.
I'm gobsmacked by the utter meanness, nastiness and ineptitude of the majority of Repug campaigns -
October 31, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not really a strategy. What I see is more of a genuine surprise like "WTF, it isn't working?! Maybe we are not doing enough, gotta do more!"
Once upon a time this sorta thing did work. So when it doesn't, I guess they really don't know what to do.
October 31, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I see what you mean.
Cause that is exactly how they have proceeded.
October 31, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I think the whole Republican party is shocked to see that their relentless smear campaigning doesn't always work.
Kind of like Alan Greenspan being shocked that banks would take bad risks.
Wouldn't it be wonderful thing if this year put the nail in the coffin on both those ideas?
October 31, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are right. In fact, it seemed to me that the same dynamic could be observed in the 2006 midterms. Despite poll after poll showing that their "vote democratic and Osama bin Laden will come and strangle your children in their beds" ads getting no traction, the GOP continued continuously raising the level of fearmongering in each successive release, as if the problem was simply that they had not been explicitly threatening enough in their claims about democrats coddling terrorists. Rove really is just a one-trick pony and when that trick stopped working he became like a man furiously stomping on the break pedal trying to slow down, oblivious to the fact that his break line had been cut.
October 31, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this shit really getting any traction? That would be the only reason to pile it on.
October 31, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dole is a foolish fraud. As a resident of NC, I can't wait to put her out of office!
October 31, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just got the "TPM is at full capacity" error.
That's a new one.
October 31, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, I haven't seen that either. What is full capacity I wonder?
October 31, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Circuitry overloaded with Republican bullshit -- poor server.
October 31, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant commentary by mois.
October 31, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nodes on strike!
October 31, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe the nodes were ordered to read a McCain robocall script. . .
October 31, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank god for upstanding nodes!
October 31, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nodes for Obama!
October 31, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I stand with those Nodes!
October 31, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
the series of tubes must be broken...
October 31, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes I can only shake my head in wonderment at this country.
October 31, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck yeah! Sounds so much better than "Evangelical Party", doesn't it?
October 31, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like my kind of party...
Heck, maybe I'll even throw my own.
October 31, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just this time last year I hosted an atheist Halloween party - we had the best costumes - the Pope, a country preacher, the virgin mary, a pregnant nun, a mormon missionary (with an authentic name badge) lots of pirates (flying spaghetti monster followers) and a couple of garden fairies (if you can see them, you're not an atheist)
October 31, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I might go no matter who threw a party in my honor... unless they were hypocrites! Then, for sure, the party would be meaningless. And the repub party is beginning to sound exactly that way!
October 31, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
These people are so unhip to themselves. That line is a comedian's dream.
October 31, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Atheists, and Catholics, throw the best parties.
October 31, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell yes!!! They're a whole lot more fun than attending the parties of the christian sinners.
October 31, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like I always said: heaven sounds boring. Hell's gotta be more fun - all my friends are going to be there!
October 31, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Heaven is full of those Evangelical assholes, I'm not goin'!
October 31, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love the fact that the batteries died in all of the GOP buttons, and no one told the GOP.
It's fuckin' great. Nothing is working for them any more. Glad I lived long enough to see it happen!
October 31, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow is all I can say.
October 31, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
STUPID, LIBBY.
October 31, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
It will be a great joy to see the empty wig lose in a rout.
October 31, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would, of course, be nice to have our country acknowledge that being "Godless" is perfectly fine.....just like being "Muslism."
October 31, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. There was a long thread on that here the other day,
October 31, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the same damn thing as attacking someone for attending a party thrown by Jews or any other faith. This is unadulterated bigotry.
October 31, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would I go? Hell, I've been partying with godless Americans for years.
October 31, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unbelievably offensive.
So says this Godless American, who happens to throw a hell of a fun party, if I do say so my godless self ...
October 31, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is good news for us here in NC...Hagan gained a couple points in the last couple of days and this second ad maybe just enough to push Kay to be our new Senator. Dole is such a hack and worthless Senator even for the GOP. Her husband can't even vote in NC as he hasn't registired to vote! Liddy you are slime and your demise is as sweet as Obama's victory will be on Tuesday night!
October 31, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw Hagen got a bounce from that ad. I think this is going to really backfire, again.
October 31, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey I'm a dogless American dmnit, can't afford the dog food.
October 31, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry my bad, dyslexia again. Thought libby was against dogs!
October 31, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dog bless you, my son.
October 31, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
And frankly, so what if you don't believe in God? It is a hard concept to grasp, and I personally think they are just as right as people who do believe. No one has a winning argument on this, and I frankly think Christians just like the comfort of happily ever after. Don't mean to offend :)
October 31, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The great holy Mystery. Can't be grasped! Only awe - should you meet the Holy. But who can be faulted if not?
October 31, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Hagan response was only slightly less disgusting than the original attack.
And yes, you're goddamn right I go.
October 31, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Being Mike from Boston, I can attest that we have a lot of Atheist Parties. I'm going to one tonight. Tomorrow I have a Bi Party, followed by a late night Gay Party. Then an orgy with my wife and 20 other atheist couples. Kay Hagan will be there and the cameras will be on.
That's just how we roll in Beantown!
October 31, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw shoot - that's a regular Tuesday night in Dallas.
You wouldn't believe Saturday nights!
(y'all think I'm kidding, I know. Dallas has an Atheists Society that is well attended, I hear, and it's the 2d most gay-friendly city in the nation. Yes it is, too.)
October 31, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
But I love how they emphasize "Boston" in the ad. Gay marriage! Liberalism! Barney FRANK!!!!
October 31, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know - and I agree. Massachusetts is right wing code for teh gay.
I love the way they say it.
And I love the fact that it has somehow escaped them that Texas isn't homophobic in general - just in pockets. (har har!~)
October 31, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
To ever win a general election with ease again, they're just going to have to accept that most of the country just doesn't care about teh gays. Yes, homophobia is alive and well, but poll after poll shows that people care very little about a little guy on guy action compared to how they feel about their retirement funds.
How long will they remain this stupid? Hopefully for the rest of my lifetime, so I can enjoy some progressive government into my golden years.
October 31, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally co-sign.
I think teh gay is way mainstream now. Seriously, I knew when Will & Grace were on prime time - for a long time - teh gay was mainstream.
And yes there are going to be christian congregations who will forever castigate teh gay, but I don't think anyone is going to pay much attention to them.
October 31, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
To paraphrase Dana Carvey parodying the father of the Worst President in History: Naaa gaaa work!
October 31, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm gonna have to send Hagan a few bucks. This really pisses me off. Dole hasn't done isht for NC. Really, she'd be much better off just staying at the Watergate instead.
Metro DC Folks: Hey, just got a text from the Obama campaign. Sen. Clinton will be at a rally at George Mason this Sunday. Gates open at 3:30.
Just passing that along...
October 31, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT, but I just saw on kos that Rick Sanchez just destroyed a wingnut who was willing to go where Goldfarb wasn't, and named Jeremiah Wright as the anti-Semite Obama pals around with......
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/31/155729/23/639/648225
October 31, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have to love this - our media finally found its balls and the flame of the First Amendment is just about to light them all on fire.
I really dreamed about this happening. I have always said that this day was coming (and took plenty hits for being a dreamer and optimist).
Now that it's here, I can barely breathe sometimes - I can't believe it.
[o yes this is a very good day]
October 31, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'm not really sure what the etiquette is here in terms of profanity, so I'll keep it as civil as I can: the Dole campaign (and the entire Republican party for that matter) can go screw itself in hell for being bigots to us godless Americans. And the horse they rode in on, too.
October 31, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what, Sen Dole, go to Hell. My parents are atheists. Should I have stood them up when I graduated from college and they threw a party in my honor? Or how about that wedding rehearsal dinner they hosted for my wife and myself? At the risk of sounding rather snotty, I am about as pious and devout a church-goer as you might hope to meet, but I am getting damn sick and tired of Republican pharisees like you trying to play one group of Americans against another. If you cannot find an ounce of love in your heart for your atheist neighbors (and constituents) then that is your problem, not mine. I will be glad to see the back of you, and I expect that more than a few of your constituents feel the same way.
October 31, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll take an honest atheist any day to a hypocritical christian!
October 31, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of Tena's Rules to Live By -
to recap - one my firsts is: never marry a man who doesn't think you look better without makeup-
Here's another: never trust: christians, Republicans or stage magicians.
And I'm as serious as a heart attack. I've only been fleeced once in my life - and it was a stage magician who had a pretty good act down of avuncular kindness - he was a neighbor. Kind wasn't in it. Greediest motherfucker I've ever encountered.
And most weaselly - never trust a stage magician! And he was also a christian and a Republican from Kansas ! The Trifecta. How stupid was I to trust that son of a bitch? Or that stupid bitch he's married to?
sorry - rant off. I went totally out in left field there - LOL
October 31, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
a giant WORD!
October 31, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You couldn't sound snotty if you tried. You really couldn't. The most civil commenter at Election Central?
October 31, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is most kind of you to say, but to my mind it is difficult to play up one's own piety and not sound snotty. In any event, I hope that the smarminess did not get in the way of the point I was trying to make - you do not have to be an atheist to be put off by this line of attack. Even church-going Christians like myself find this disgusting.
October 31, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess this kind of thing is what would be in store for us if Palin ever gets to run for high office again. God help us! (oops... sorry to the atheists! Dog, help us!)
October 31, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bye-Bye Norm:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/31/coleman-wife-lawsuits
The Clothes thing took some immediate steam out of Coleman before he got back to bashing Al. This will take steam out of him to the finish line, and I'm sure Franken and the DSCC will have an add up on this over the weekend.
Norm is such a whore that it will be great to run him. Plus Al is a fantastic guy and just the type of person who won't back down from the Wingnuts that we need in Congress.
John
October 31, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bye-Bye Norm:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/31/coleman-wife-lawsuits
The Clothes thing took some immediate steam out of Coleman before he got back to bashing Al. This will take steam out of him to the finish line, and I'm sure Franken and the DSCC will have an add up on this over the weekend.
Norm is such a whore that it will be great to run him. Plus Al is a fantastic guy and just the type of person who won't back down from the Wingnuts that we need in Congress.
John
October 31, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
heaven for the climate; hell for the company
October 31, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I took an internet quiz once that told you which level of Dante's Hell you would spend eternity in.
Me - the 2d level - with the rest of the Lustful.
I'm supposed to think this is a bad thing?
October 31, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
i have a devout catholic friend who explained that as the seven deadlies go, the Church sees lust as the least serious, pride the most.
October 31, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
What if, as Tena appears to be, you're proud of your lustfulness? ;)
November 1, 2008 7:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
God, I love me some grumpy Jack Cafferty. But Blitzer, what a cock.
October 31, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Won't somebody please think of the agnostics!
October 31, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not until they learn to stand up for what they don't believe. ;)
October 31, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
We had an agnostic in the small town where I grew up.
One night, some old boys went and burnt a question mark in his yard.
October 31, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. Apparently Liddy never thought her role as Senator was to represent ALL of her constituents. Only those believing as she does count. So much for valuing Americans' freedom and the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which she swore an oath to protect.
How anti-American of her (wink wink Michele Bachmann).
October 31, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he hasn't finished rehearsing his Friday night monologue yet, I suspect that Bill Maher ("Religulous") will have a few choice words about Liddy.
October 31, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
"'If Godless Americans threw a party in your honor,' the announcer says, 'would you go?'"
Um...actually, this happens at my house all the time.
October 31, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what makes me really mad? It's the apparent inability of some of these repubs to show any respect for the Bill of Rights. No respect for freedom of religion, no understanding of the first amendment, no understanding of equal treatment and equal justice under the law, no sense that a guilty verdict is just that, whether for law or ethics, no sense that these folks need to obey the laws or the Constitution.
Something is so very wrong when the mores of a small group become the unwritten law of the land, when belief in God and specifically Christianity (of only an orthodox type) become expectations as part of citizenship or an office holder. Something has gone seriously wrong when things that are not even laws become so important that a citizen can be libeled and slandered simply for exercising fundamental rights under the Constitution!
I am irate! And I hope to God (or Dog... your choice or no choice) that we do something to educate our citizenry under an Obama administration. We need remedial civics ASAP!
October 31, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
No fooling, and for me the worst part is when the yahoos start talking about the constitution as though they have (1) read it and (2) comprehend it. Awful!
October 31, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say "G'night," Liddy.
You're finished.
Watch out for old men on Viagra!
October 31, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I seldom post here but this is what Ive noticed
After reading about this ad here -- I went to read the comment sections in several NC online papers. This attack seems to be leaving a bad taste in the mouths of many of the folks posting and recommending post there.
Now granted -- who knows where the posters and rec`s are from [though you do have to sign in to do either] but it appears her crap is not floating
-- Savage
October 31, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could Libby Dole really be dumber and more clueless than her husband Bob? Remember him? What a pair. When she was working at the Red Cross and he in the Senate, they saw each other by appointment only. Well, soon they will have more time together. They deserve each other!
October 31, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I'm all for throwing parties, let's go throw the Republican Party off a cliff!
Darn, Liddy and her buddies already beat us to it.
October 31, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
speaking as a godless american, i find liddy dole to be repugnant. she seems to be saying, if you don't believe in god, you don't have a right to be represented by your government. you don't have a right to petition your government, and you don't have a right to speak with your elected officials.
October 31, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
speaking as a godless american, i find liddy dole to be repugnant. she seems to be saying, if you don't believe in god, you don't have a right to be represented by your government. you don't have a right to petition your government, and you don't have a right to speak with your elected officials.
October 31, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. That's the not-so-subliminal message, and it's frightening.
October 31, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Things like this make me ready to put on a burka if it's Moslems or stand with the atheists if it's atheists. We really need change. And the people who feel self-righteous and condemn people for things that aren't unlawful or unethical, but simply different from what they believe - those people should be called out. Every. Single. Time.
October 31, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Hi I'm Kay Hagan and I running to be your Senator to help protect our country, create new jobs, improve education and make health care affordable.
My opponent for some crazy reason continues to insult me and my deep faith. That is so un-christian of her.
As your Senator I will represent all North Carolinians, no matter what your income, color, beliefs or party. I will work hard for you every day. In America, every citizen has the right to be represented.
If only Libby Dole really believed in America."
October 31, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who is swayed by godless Americans throwing parties, won't be voting Democratic, anyway. It's a useless ad that will only make Dole and her party, seem even more ridiculous than they already are.
October 31, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had no idea Liddy was such a cunt. Yikes.
October 31, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
And wasn't Liddy the former head of the American Red Cross?! Wow. May she go down in flames Tuesday!
October 31, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's the opposite of godless? Godful? Godawful?
And for Dole, wouldn't "Godless Americans" be an oxymoron?
October 31, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Sen Dole,
Take a lesson from Opus. Conspicuous piety is a tricky electoral play to make.
October 31, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If Godless Americans threw a party in your honor," the announcer says, "would you go?"
Answer: Jesus certainly would go. Why shouldn't I?
October 31, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've always been an atheist. This ad is the kind of thing that has turned me into a militant atheist.
October 31, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course Kay Hagan's faith isn't the kweschin! Insted, plez 2 fokus on how massively fugly our ad guys can make Kay look!
October 31, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tomorrow Mrs. Dole will announce that she had to go negative because Kay Hagan wouldn't do town hall meetings.
October 31, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm still trying to digest the fact that Libby Dole ran for President, at a time when she had less experience than Sarah Palin!
October 31, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tomorrow Mrs. Dole will announce that she had to go negative because Kay Hagan wouldn't do town hall meetings.
October 31, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
October 31, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Help, help Liddy Dole is discriminating against me!
October 31, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Bible say that Jesus went to dinners with sinners, or something? Was kind to "a woman taken in adultery"? Why, I think he even hobnobbed with publicans.
No mention of Republicans, though.
October 31, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hagan is shown facing my father in this ad. He is Hagan's former Bible Teacher.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/politics/story/290258.html
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A267990
October 31, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Libby Dole has had some major, MAJOR facelifts. I couldn't believe it. She doesn't look anything like she used to. My husband asked if she had a goatee yet....
November 1, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
What I want to know is what's Dole doing at this party . . .
November 1, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hilariously petty politics alert! My local news just aired a story about a woman named Shirley Nagel who denied candy to children last night if their parents were Obama supporters. She lives in Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan, and had a sign posted on her door reading "No handouts for Obama supporters, Liars, Tricksters, or kids of supporters." If a child indeed qualified for Shirley's candy, he or she got a McCain/Palin doorhanger with a bag of M&Ms stapled to it. Have people lost their minds? See the story at http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7768833&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1
November 1, 2008 6:44 AM | Reply | Permalink