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Missouri, Two-Time Bush State, Is Anybody's Game

Missouri is a key state to watch because it voted twice for Bush, with a seven-point margin in 2004, and has a historic status as the poster-child for swing states -- it only voted for the loser once in the past 100 years. And today we have the fourth poll in a row showing that the state is a dead-heat and could easily go either way this time:

SurveyUSA, released this morning: Obama 48%, McCain 48%, compared to a 51%-43% Obama lead two weeks ago.

Zogby, released this morning: Obama 48%, McCain 46%, with a ±4.1% margin of error. There is no other recent Zogby phone poll here for comparison.

Research 2000, released yesterday: Obama 48%, McCain 47%, with a ±3.5% margin of error, compared to a 47%-46% McCain edge a month ago.

Mason-Dixon, released yesterday: McCain 46%, Obama 45%, with a ±4% margin of error. There is no prior Mason-Dixon poll here for comparison.

This state was thought to be trending more and more Republican until the 2006 Senate win by Democrat Claire McCaskill, and the Dems are also expected to win the open GOP-held gubernatorial race in a landslide this year.


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I hope Missouri goes for Obama and at this point frankly, I believe we're doing better than the numbers say we are.


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Me too. Also, I'm hoping for a surprise in Georgia.

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OR WORSE!

PANDAGEDDONLITTLEISM! THE SKY IS BRADLEYING! THE SKY IS BRADLEYING!

Actually, I'm with Tena on this one, as with most things, except for our tastes in turquoise and rhinestone (big fan right here--I look like Reba McIntyre when I dress for work, and I am a man). Obama tends to overperform. We'll see.

frankly, my biggest concern is how the hell do I go from the Redskins Monday Night Football game to just south of Richmond and be ready to be lawyer-man voter-protector at the polls at 5:30 a.m.? And then, on 2 hours sleep, drive back to D.C. and find a party where I can hoop and holler?

These are the things that concern me.

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I approve this message.

c'mon Missouri, make it *sang*!

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FWIW, 538 has it still leaning blue.

I had an epiphany this weekend--being a Michigan State graduate is exactly like being a Democrat. You're afraid to count ANYTHING as being in the bag until the clock runs out. Anybody seen Ann Arbor on a thread this morning? I really need to gloat. . .

MSU 35 UM 21

I'm going to take that as a forecast of things to come, i.e., the good guys do finish first sometimes!

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It's all coming down to the GOTV operation.

And when it comes to GOTV, we've got one candidate who is incredibly organized and has been working on GOTV in the background for a year, and one candidate who's been spending all his time running a campaign from 30 years ago, but whose party has a nasty history of voter suppression and fraud.

It'll be a nail-biter.

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-- Also

Obama won this state barely in the primaries due to the turnout in Missouri's urban centers.

And remember that the urban centers in Missouri report last- so we won't know this state until late at night. I think Obama closed something like a 10% Clinton lead with the last 20% reporting.

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Yeah, I remember watching those returns come in. Obama closed a huge gap in the last 10% or so of returns. It'd tick up, 89% reporting, 90% reporting, 92% reporting and Obama kept gaining. That was awesome.

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I think it'll go for Obama by a point or two.

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MO seems like it'd give a better return on campaign investment than PA.

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The beauty is that the Obama campaign doesn't have to choose - there are plenty of resources to invest in both.

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I expect tightening in the polls.. that is totally normal as republicans and dems that are undecided come home. however Obama has 4 bush states.. NM, CO, IA, VA in the bag which make a mccain victory impossible.

I am tired of seeing on tv that those are red states. they are NOT red states anymore. 2006 elections proved that they both are blue states now

OH, FL, MO, NV will be close. I think OH and NV goes obama by 3, and MO/FL go obama by 1-2.

Indiana no pollster has the guts to poll much so we dont know how legit those polls are. Obama could win by 2, or lose by 5. just depends on how bad he loses the rural parts.

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Indiana no pollster has the guts to poll much so we dont know how legit those polls are. Obama could win by 2, or lose by 5. just depends on how bad he loses the rural parts.

Here's what I totally believe - AA voters are not being polled in numbers that come close to representing the kind of turnout we'll see.

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All I know is at least it doesn't look like it comes down to Ohio or Florida, thank Christ in a chariot-driven sidecar. Those states are really ticking me off, electorally.

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What, the people? Or the terrible track record on handling elections?

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there aren't many AA's in Indiana.

thats the problem with Indiana.

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I expect tightening in the polls.

You mean like this?

10/26 |---#
10/27 |-----#
10/28 |-----#
10/29 |------#
10/30 |--------#
10/31 |-------#   <--tightening!
11/01 |---------#
11/02 |---------#
11/03 |----------#

As everybody knows, the race is guaranteed to tighten between now and election day.  Nobody can tell you why, or, for that matter when or how much, but rest assured it will tighten because, well, because it always does.

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Nice ASCII!

I expected the polls to start tightening after the last debate and continue to do so until election day. Obviously that didn't happen, so I don't know what to expect. I still expect to see it get closer in the final week (a little more than your chart), but at this point, I don't know how much difference it will make.

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Indiana will probably hinge on how many Lake County folks are suppressed at the polls or knocked off the rolls before hand,,,,,, and how wretched the weather is on Nov 4.

High turnout be the university communities for Obama, of course, is the other hinge.

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Turnout can never be accounted for. Case in point:Georgia.

MO is a tossup but our GOTV cannot be matched, we will win the state and we will wind it by alot larger than people would think.

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Buddy of mine who volunteered full time in the effort said the exact same thing last time. He said he was stunned by the success of the effort. Come election day, it couldn't hold a candle to the effort the fundies put out. It was three times better. Presumably they are less energized now, but still...

I'm from Missouri. I'll believe it when I see it.

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I agree with you - this is my thinking on this.

The polls have caught me cause they do - I'm just as glued to them now as anyone else, but I do not believe the polls are telling us what the real situation out there is - I don't think enough people are being polled, frankly, to get a true picture.

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Heh heh, to get the true picture, you'd have to poll everyone in every state. If we did that, if you thought campaigning was expensive, tracking the results would be worse.

So we're stuck with our error margins, betas, and cuts on the face (I went to the ABQ Obama rally on Saturday, and later while walking after was egged from a speeding car (40+ mph). One minute we were having a conversation and the next minute was a crack and I had blood going down my face. I don't think I've cussed as much as I did when talking to the police a few minutes later....)

whoa, went off topic there.

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I'm a Missouri ex-pat. There's an unlimited resevoir of idiots in Missouri - I wouldn't count on Missouri going to Obama. I would consider it more likely to go McCain than Ohio or Indiana. The Southwest and most of the outback is largely fundy and/or dixie, and right about now the Bishops in St. Louis are telling the parishoners that if they vote Democrat they'll go to hell faster than Adolph Hitler.

Presumbably they're a little smarter now, but almost single handedly, the Catholic church handed Missouri over to Bush and that's enough to swing the election. That's about one million voters. One more national security incident ought to send them over the top for McCain.

Having said that, I will be pleasantly surprised if Mo go O.

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Thanks for insight.

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St. Louis will deliver Missouri to Obama. There's a reason 100,000 people turned out to hear him speak. Bishops aren't going to change anyones' mind.

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I'm also an ex-pat from St. Louis and I agree. St. Louis is an extremely Catholic city. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Catholic church. Even though the actual numbers of *practicing* Catholics is going down, that upbringing tends to stay with you, IMO.

Having said that, I bet Obama wins her in a squeaker, thanks to STL, KC and Columbia...

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Fearing Electoral Blowout, GOP Employs Cheney to Preach ‘Checks and Balances’
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4363

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In other words, obstruction.

If they can keep the Dems from implementing solutions, then they own the problems just as much as the Repugs do. Then the Repugs are back in business four or eight years hence.

If no obstruction and the solutions implemented work at least reasonably well, then, well, Cheney and his ilk are out for 20 or more years.

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Jefferson City, Kansas City and St.Louis are Missouri's largest urban areas. If Obama can run up the numbers in those three cities then he wins Missouri--my guess is he wins by 2 or three points.

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I suspect, as many others do, that Obama's GOTV effort will pay off big time this election. You can just feel it, can't you? the enthusiasm is like nothing I have seen in my life.

I have a theory that any state where the candidates are polling within 2 points of each other two days from Nov. 4 will go to Obama. So, by that measure, I predict that Obama takes MO by 1 - 3 %. Other close states will follow suit. You just watch.

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So according to SurveyUSA McCain is leading Obama in the 18-24 bracket.

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McCain leading Obama with 18-24 yr old? excuse me while i laugh :)....lol

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The other point is that Obama doesn't need Missouri to win. McCain does.

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I worry about Missouri. It does not have early voting (republican controlled state legislature) and I am affraid the polls are going to be extremely busy on election day. Since the biggest chunk of democratic voters are concentrated in two urban areas, St Louis and Kansas City, I hope there will be enough voting places and machines in these two cities to accomodate the number of voters. Having said that, Missourians will elect a democratic governor this year. And hopefully also vote the state for Obama.
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Kansas City will be fine. They rarely have a polling place problem. St. Louis is where there will be election day problems. Traditionally the election officials in St. Louis short change the Black and Hispanic neighborhoods. Long lines leads to polling place frustration and voter suppression.

I was outstate yesterday. The McCain Palin signs are everywhere. Of course, there are a lot of Obama signs as well.

The big thing is the governors race is a blow out. A lot of Republicans will stay home. The Obama GOTV is top notch, but don't underestimate the power of the evangelicals.

I think Obama will win by about 2-3 points, but we will be up late into the night. The real question is St. Louis. Will the election board have enough polling booths available in African American neighborhoods. I eould suspect they wont. I expect over 90% turnout in the big cities.

Missouri is the home of voter suppression. One of the big Republican law firms has taken it on as it's "cause."

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I for one am not going to be happy if this election comes down to a Nevada squeaker. If by 8:00 EST either Ohio or Florida hasn't gone to Obama, I will die. Die I tell you.

When I hear people saying that we can lose PA, OH, and FL and still win, I wanna scream. If we lose those states, that will mean that the election is trending across the board in McCain's favor. And the trend would very likely include CO and NV. We have to win PA and at least one of the other two. What a horrible night it will be if we don't.

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It's gonna be a blowout.  Sit back, relax, and enjoy the fireworks.

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I would suggest you get out and work your ass off. The work will do you good and time will seem to pass more quickly.

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Also very good advice.  The more effort you put into the campaign, the sweeter will be the taste of victory next week!

For many, the prospective joy of winning is a better motivator than the fear of losing.

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Right now I think the only game being played is the extent of Obama's win. Not whether he'll win.

We all know Obama needs to hold the Kerry states. If he does he gets 252 EV. The only possible state still in play, from the evidence I can see, is PA, and that looks like a long shot for McCain. So let's say Obama has those states wrapped up.

Then he needs only 18 more EV.

The most frequently mentioned 'red states' [are they really red any more?] that Obama seems to have control of are: Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, and Nevada. Assuming he can pick all these up he has an additional 39 EV.

Game over.

That's without any help from Ohio, Missouri, or Florida. So he wins without any of those. Nor does he 'need' North Carolina or any of the other states he's put in play this time around.

This has been the state of play for a while. The media keeps hyping polls that appear to have little meaning in this context. That's because they need to keep active. Meanwhile Obama has run a remarkably effective and strategically sound campaign. The strategy is now firmly played out. He has reached his end game which is twofold: keeping McCain on the defensive, and getting out the vote. He has enough votes to win if everyone turns out.

So all this daily poll watching is a side show for us ... it keeps us occupied while the final days of the Reagan/Bush era slide into history.

Nothing I have said here is new! We just need to keep repeating it while we watch breathless news reports of 'poll tightening' and 'battleground states'.

Still I suppose we all need to keep our fingers crossed or whatever we all do in times of self induced panic/paranoia. We wouldn't be Democrats if we didn't panic would we?

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"while the final days of the Reagan/Bush era slide into history"

Do agree, but prefer buried as this stuff has a plus forty year life span.

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And sealed in concrete somewhere deep under a mountain?

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I've been canvassing for Obama the last few weeks in Crawford Co MO (a very "red" part of the state)(south central, not the rabid Swest part of MO) and I have noticed a difference of late.

#1: There are fewer undecideds overall.
#2: There are fewer "strong McCain" and more "lean McCain".
#3: There are more "Strong Obama" and more "lean Obama".

I think what I am seeing is that the undecideds are breaking for Obama, that the "McCainites" are wavering and the Obama-ites are becoming more and more sure of their choice. It really is going to come down to our GOTV efforts.

One last observation: While I have had more than a few doors slammed in my face, and had a few epithets thrown my way as well, the vast majority of my conversations have been very respectful, even with the "very Strong McCain"s. I think this bodes well for what comes after, should Obama win. The latest divisive tactics of the McPain campaign seem to be backfiring.

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Thanks for doing us all proud!

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Hey my fellow warrior worriers, if you want to rest easier, keep this in mind - at this point in '04, Bush had a 7 point lead in the polls in MO.

(If you all want some nifty eye candy, go to http://www.electoral-vote.com. Click the "This day in 2004" link to compare the current national map with that of the same period in '04. You can click on any state for comparison. It's a 'purty' picture).

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Missouri will be interesting to watch but it might be all over before our votes are counted. The bible-thumpers will turn out in droves in Springfield (the land of Ashcroft and the Blunts). I would expect to see thousands of people trying to vote in St. Louis when the polls close at 7 PM and there will be the usual pushing and shoving about closing the polls. Kansas City already has ACORN complaints so that could be interesting, too. St. Louis, Kansas City and Columbia should go for Obama but McCain owns much of the rest of the state. The suburbs often go Republican but that might be where we see the real struggle. If McCain can't carry the suburbs he has no hope. We have a fair and Democratic Secretary of State who will be on top of the voting process. The Governor's race looks like it will easily go to the Democrats (Jay Nixon) but I live in a "red" area and can't gauge that race very well except that I'm seeing a lot of Nixon signs.

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Maybe they think he's related to Richard. Tee-hee.

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The St. Louis suburbs (St. Louis County -- the city of St. Louis isn't in St. Louis county; don't ask) have been pretty strongly Democratic in the last few elections. Not overwhelming, like the city, but pretty strong; they turned over the last senatorial election to the D's, for example. I don't know about the suburbs in KC.

So St. Louis City, St. Louis County, Kansas City and Columbia will be powerfully for Obama. Most of the rest of the state won't. It'll be close.

Peace,
Paul

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Was recently back in MO to the town in which I went to grade and high school, population 1,200. I was pleasantly surprised to see an equal number of Obama and McCain signs through the town. In addition, in the space of a couple hours worth of shopping I observed three inter-racial couples and had an openly gay cashier at one store. So, it seems there have been some demographic changes for the better in what I once considered the most ass-backward place on earth. And it is these changes that probably best explain the equal split between the Obama and McCain signs.

As to the general discussion here. I expect MO to go Obama by 3 - 5 points based upon the polling we have been seeing. Until the various pollsters figure out how to better measure folks with cell phones only and young, first-time voters, the pollsters are going to undercount Obama voters and overcount McCain voters. I recently read an online article which presented very persuasive evidence of Obama being undercounted in polls by about 3%.

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I hope Missouri goes for Obam also but many democrats here are very disappointed in Sen. Claire McCaskill as she has voted with republicans on every major issue. She talks like a progressive but votes like a republican and has not stood up for the progressive ideals she spouted to get elected yet many democrats have voted with republicans on the major issues when we expected them to stand up like Kucinich. They voted for FISA, for telecom immunity, for war funding with no conditions, for Mukasey etc.. Maybe she needs Obama to lead her or maybe they all need progressives to demand these dems hold to their professed ideals.
I see more Obama support than McCain but we are after all right next to Arkansas where Palin is perceived as a genius.

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Another former Missourian here (I lived in KC for 7 years; I'm not from there). I'll believe an Obama victory there when I see it, but I think it's a possibility, and there are two things in particular working in his favor:

a) the suburbs of KC and St. Louis (I'm thinking of places like Clay County in KC and South County in STL) that were traditionally Dem but have been trending more Repub lately on "values issues" may very well go for Obama on economic grounds, which could make a significant statistical difference;

b) African American turnout in KC and St. Louis will be record-setting. I suspect that polls are underestimating the numbers there.

Add to that the extreme unpopularity of Matt "Empty Suit" Blunt, and I do think it's reasonable to hope for a Missouri victory for Obama. It still seems unlikely, but not impossible.

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My mate and I voted this morning about 11:30 and had no problems with the poll. Fairly busy and lots of excitement. We both voted Obama and straight democratic ticket here in downtown Kansas City, MO. We had record numbers of new registrations thanks to ACORN and Obama volunteers. We also showed up for the rally in numbers that rocked MO. All the people were not counted as the lines to get into the rally went on for about three city blocks. Just think of the population of Kansas City and how significant over 75,000 people came to hear Obama. It may be that some of Missouri is backwoods and redneck. I should know. I lived in the backwoods with my redneck family for many years. But shine a light into the woods and see those who need change and hunger for it. I pray Missouri gives Obama all she has towards his presidency.

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