McCain Supporter Rants About "Hooligan" Obama And "Socialist" Takeover -- And McCain Agrees
When is the unhinged frenzy gripping crowds at McCain-Palin gatherings -- not to mention McCain-Palin's own role in stoking that frenzy -- going to become a big story?
Today in Wisconsin, a McCain supporter unleashed a long, unhinged rant in which he blasted the "socialists taking over our country" and referred to Obama and Nancy Pelosi as "hooligans." McCain didn't utter one syllable of objection. In fact, he nodded bemusedly at the "socialist" mention.
And at the end of the man's rant, McCain said that the man was "right."
(Hat tip The Politico.)
After the man's rant, the crowd got worked up and chanted "U-S-A" a bunch of times. Then McCain replied: "Well, I -- I think I got the message. Could I just say, the gentleman is right." McCain then went on about how it was true that Americans are angry.
Look, it's easy to dismiss the guy at this rally as a crank. But the larger context here is important. The McCain campaign -- with public statements and ads suggesting Obama is linked to terrorists and many other tactics -- is very deliberately trying to whip up mass fear and loathing about the prospect of an Obama presidency.
This has been going on for some time now. And Joe Biden, among others, has been appealing to McCain and Palin to do something to calm their supporters down and to condemn their outpourings of hatred and lunacy.
In that context, this is telling. This supporter, bless his soul, is in a frenzy about the prospect of being taking over by "socialists" and "hooligans," and his rant clearly got the crowd going. Rather than responsibly talk him and the rest of the crowd down, or say even some de rigeur things about how socialists aren't really going to take over, about how Obama and the Dems aren't really hooligans, about how we should keep the dialog respectful and sane, McCain says the man is "right."
The point is, McCain is letting this whack-job fear and hysteria ride across the board, and is even encouraging it. That's news, and you'd think it would get some serious and aggressive treatment from the big news orgs.

If McCain wins this way he will have the WORST presidency of his life. Democrats will overwhelming have the House and the Senate and they block everything that McCain puts out simply because he was an ASSHOLE these last few weeks.
October 9, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm, no. The Democrats will not veto everything because McCain is an ass. He always has been an ass and Democrats have worked with him on those occasions he comes to his senses.
October 10, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain who?
October 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, he was some POW who left his soul in Southeast Asia. Not sure, though. He might just be ghost!
October 9, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
LMAO at the picture of Ayers on the side with the caption "Political Ties".
FOX is going to make a killing smearing Obama for the next eight years. I secretly think both Limbaugh and Hannity want him to win so they can have something talk about other than defending Bush at every time.
October 9, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless of course, over the first years of Obama's presidency, our economy rebounds, etc. Then FOX and the rest of them will be just shouting at the clouds which is pretty much what they are doing right now.
October 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fox is so sleazy they will still be critical of Obama and the Democrats. There hate spewing is what gets them money.
Now that we KNOW McCain is virtually advocating killing Obama perhaps he can eventually be arrested and put into a nice federal prison instead of one of those nasty Viet Nam prisons.
October 9, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmmmm. You may be on to something there.
October 9, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, keep flogging the shit out of this story - it will get into the MSM eventually - it's got too.
It's too big a story not to.
Man I'm sick of this - what are those fools doing? Times like these are horrible, people are already stirred up - Jebus, I wish the Secret Service would tell McCAin to knock it the fuck off!
October 9, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
Earth to Colin Powell.
Earth to Chuck Hagel, Dick Lugar, Olympia Snowe and whatever remnants of decency and sanity may be left in the Republican Party.
October 9, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone of those willing to switch parties? I'm sure a few are thinking about it. Lincoln Chafee must saying, "I was soooooooooooo smart about leaving this group of crazies."
October 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, doesn't ONE of these guys have an conscience and an agenda that goes beyond their devotion to the Rethuglican Party.
October 9, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Olympia Snow: "After much soul searching, I have come to the conclusion that in order best serve the people who have elected me to represent their interests, I have to align myself with the Democrats, and, by doing so, I fully endorse Barack Obama for the office of President of the United States. Yes we can."
October 9, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you make that up??
October 9, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. Just daytripping.
October 9, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was a republican who supported McCain against Bush- the 2000 McCain model. I left the party to support Obama back in the primary race.
McCain is supporting all this looney bulls___t that is being thrown at Barack. I know either he was lying about straight talk then or he is lying now.
Don't forget at one of his primary rallys one of the females present asked McCain 'how he was going to beat the bitch' refering to Senator Clinton. He said nothing to scold her. He blushed but that was it. So much for respect for women.
This is fear mongering at it's worst. I am ashamed of John McCain the 2008 model.
October 9, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The GOP is in shambles. The ideology which sustained the GOP through the cold war is now expiring in rough parity with the Chevrolet truck as commuter vehicle.
You just can't base a platform on greed, ignorance, and violence and expect to be prosperous. You can't run a party on nihilism while claiming to be the party of morality. You can't expect to be the world's leader while encouraging anti-intellectualism.
Both McCain and the Bush family show they've lost control of the base they cultivated and hoped to exploit for their ignorance. The essential flaw in Machiavellian logic.
Today's GOP is based on? What?
It's all garbage. From the virulent anti-intellectualism to the nonsense laissez-faire supply-side economics, to the moronically hyper aggressive FP and colonial mindset more appropriate to the era of telegrams and horseback than global markets/media and loose nukes.
October 9, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't generally agree with Republicans (even the sane ones), but I don't think I'd go so far as that.
Granted, many/most of their current leadership has become corrupted by money and the simplicity of PR over substance. But there are aspects of their general worldview that (can) have an intellectual basis. Again, I don't agree with them, but they're there.
I think what's far more interesting is that Obama's campaign appears to be voicing a far more coherent description of the intellectual (and emotional) foundations of the Democratic party than I've seen in some time.
October 9, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a lot of overlap between the parties on many issues. I'm not saying every Republican is an idiot.
But, what's unique about the GOP? What's the heart and soul of today's GOP?
The enthusiasm and defining aspect of GOP economics is essentially laissez faire. But the laissez faire ideology espoused by the GOP has always been extremely ideological and bordering on religious. It's the mirror image of communism: simplistic Utopian nonsense and fairy tales.
Going forward reasonable people will debate models more in line with the rest of the developed world. Trying to find an optimum in gray areas. Which is where Democrats and a minority of Republicans are at.
But the defining quality of the GOP has been laissez faire, which is dead as communism.
I could go down the list, FP, religion, etc. But it's the same across the board.
In a but shell, the GOP has become the party behind the curve, of reactionaries, laggards, anti-intellectualism, and dead-enders. That's it's defining characteristic today. It's an evolutionary dead end.
October 9, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
err... nut shell. (zoinks)
October 9, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice.
October 9, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you mean, Machiavellian logic?
Machiavelli, after all, was the one who asserted that "the people are more knowing and more constant than a prince" and warned rulers that if they crushed all dissent and turmoil, they would drain the lifeblood of a vigorous state.
Don't get hung up on The Prince. Read The Discourses as well. They're much longer and were intended as a statement of principles, not a polemic for a specific time and place.
October 9, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, but you know what I meant. Machiavelli's works are satirical and cautionary, but not everyone gets it.
Regardless, when people refer to Machiavellian behavior they're generally referring to what he described, not what he may have personally believed or endorsed. Just as referring to Dostoevsky's most horrible characters shouldn't be misinterpreted to imply Dostoevsky was a misanthrope.
October 9, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCiavelli?
October 10, 2008 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
There ARE no remnants of decency left in the Rethuglican Party. Every one of them has proven to be rotten to the core since at least 2000. NONE of them stood up when Bush hired a mob to disrupt the vote counting in Florida.
October 10, 2008 1:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you guys are doing a great job with this. Keep it up.
October 9, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-signed (and then some).
I don't think this story can be overplayed, nor its significance overstated. I think it's also slightly ominous, in light of their overall message, that McCain and Palin are playing to almost exclusively White crowds at these rallies. That, in itself, wouldn't be so troublesome (since when were Republicans the vanguard of diversity?) if the substance of their campaign (such as it is) wasn't becoming more openly racist by the day.
I content myself that the only people (a term I use advisedly) falling for this insanity wouldn't have voted for Obama to begin with, but that doesn't make the spectacle any the less ugly. It cannot be ignored.
October 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
On Talk of the Nation on NPR today many of the callers were trying to discuss the hate rallies that Palin is presiding over. Neil Conan of course squelched their calls but he did promise that that would be a topic of one of next week's shows, implying that producers were working on it right now.
October 9, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the bigger problem with this.
It wasn't some young rambling wingnut. It wasn't a toothless redneck hick. This was some older fellow going on a rant.
The sad reality is that it plays to a certain chunk of the country. *We* may think that's a old crank rambling, but to a chunk of the country he's "one of us" who is "concerned" or "angry". :/
This is one of the more fightening, troubling aspects of what Rove is pushing McCain to tap into.
John
October 9, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes I think we all know it plays to a certain chunk of the country.
That's not the point, dude.
October 9, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
And a certain chunk of lunies are not going to win you the election. Sooner than later, these loonies have to be quarantined as social invalids, cured if possible, and, if found to be incurable, exterminated. Wait, not the biological lives but their ideological lives have asphyxiated.
October 9, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
correction: have to be asphyxiated
October 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
That guy is an angry, but wholly ignorant, fool. Pandering to idiots like him will only ensure ruin. He clearly has no idea what's going on and compensating for that by being a loud asshole.
Socialists taking over?
Because we're doing some re-regulation after decades of sustained deregulation that has led to rampant economic crisis, banking fraud, economic bubbles, accounting scandals, a decline in the dollar, a fundamental weakening in the strength of our economy, energy market manipulation, and taken us to the brink of economic meltdown of Great Depression proportions.
The only thing stopping our economy from a complete meltdown, is that the Chinese, EU, and others still hold a lot of dollars and global commodities are still traded in dollars. If that changes, the dollar will take an enormous plunge, and the resulting earthquake will reduce both Wall Street and Main Street to rubble.
They're still holding dollars based on TRUST that our markets are the safest and we'll clean up this mess and tighten regulation to make sure it doesn't happen again too soon. But they're quietly dumping the dollar already, to hedge bets if we fail to clean up this mess and there is a sudden rush to the exit.
This guy is worried some re-regulation to restore faith in our economy, which is essential to stop our economy from a complete meltdown, is socialism?
He's an idiot. People like him are the greatest danger to all of us, from thier sheer stupidity. The GOP has been cultivating them and feeding them nonsense for decades. Their culture is based on nonsense.
Thankfully a majority of people get it, out of sheer necessity. But yeah, idiots like that guy will always exist and complain loudly while being saved from his own stupidity.
October 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is truly frightening. There are laws against inciting violence. Why aren't McCain and Palin being investigated, or at least challenged, for violating these laws?
October 9, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes! WHY?
Because the Defense Department, the CIA, the FBI, etc., are all run by neocons now.
October 9, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unbelieveable. Republicans angry and feeling oppressed yet again, unable to admit to themselves that they were the ones who brought us to this point.
I soon expect legions of brownshirts and armbands at the rallies too.
October 9, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another thing about this clip.
It again demonstrates what McCain is:
A coward: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=12056
He is obviously a little uncomfortable with the crazy ranter here, but he doesn't have the guts to take him on.
He has allowed his campaign to be taken over by Rove, Palin, and Hannity.
He's a coward.
October 9, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign.
October 9, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. Word.
October 9, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Just like how McCain derided the fundies in 2000, and then pandered to them in 2008 and even put Palin (a fundie hick extraordinaire) on the ticket just to appease them. In other words, he let the people he called wingnuts in 2000 pick his running mate in 2008, knowing full well they hope he drops dead of a heart attack and they take the WH.
Country first? Up is down then I guess. Absolutely mind boggling.
The straight talk is McCain is a self serving sellout and coward.
October 9, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the love of gawd/buddah/deities, will someone in the MSM start *reporting* on this crap?
Folks need to see how scary these rallies are getting...and how complicit that ticket is.
October 9, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
My feeling exactly... I'm SO sick and tired of their laziness!
October 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, a commenter at Sadly, No! mentioned that he had aqttended a talk by Seymour Hersch in Berkely and Hersch opined that Secret Service is already concerned and may have spoken to campaign aides.
http://joemax93.blogspot.com/ for post.
October 9, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, thats good to hear. Sy has his ears on fo' sho'...
October 9, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mooser - thanks. I'm glad to know that because this is stupid. Everyone already knows he's a hell of a target.
McLame knows that. Palin knows that.
They should both be subject to about a 2 hour lecture from the SS about this, in no uncertain terms.
October 9, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought the announcement by the Secret Service that they were investigating the shouted threat at that Palin rally a few days ago was a really clear signal that they were NOT amused - a signal the campaign should have caught. Sec Service doesn't usually 'announce' when they are investigating something (unless it's obvious that they would) and I doubt they typically launch an investigation of a random, anonymous shout. So I took the announcement as a message, to both the candidates and those attending the rallies to "cool it." Not, of course, that it did a lot of good. --------- I'm hoping Biden can do some home talking to his Senate colleagues, including John Warner as well as others mentioned, to see if they can apply pressure. --- The sad thing is that there's no reason to think Palin or McCain (or whoever is running his brain these days) would pay any attention.
Who's in charge of NRC? McCain needs their money, right? *That* may be the only way to get attention. This is beyond sickening. And if they are this terrifying as candidates, what in the world would it be like with them really in charge?
October 9, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Secret Service ought to sued for malpractice if they haven't done this.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: These sickos are all too happy to win an election at the barrel of a gun that they can't win at the ballot box.
October 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM will probably lay off this until it heats up... I'm expecting sometime soon violence will break out. A reporter will get the crap kicked out of him in a parking lot or something.
Of course, if the polls don't move over the next few days I imagine that the McCain campaign will change tactics to something else - they haven't had the message discipline to stick with anything too long anyhow.
October 9, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The local and national media is now picking up on these McCain-Palin 'Hate' Rallies. CNN and a local news affiliate in my home state where talking about this story all day.
October 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome!
This whole thing is just outrageous and ought to be very public because it sure demonstrates who we're dealing with here.
October 9, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What we are seeing is the marginalization of McCain. His supporters are dwindling, are sensing he's unhinged, and the only ones left willing to come to his rallies are right-wing crackpots.
You are judged by the company you keep, and McCain's companions are only going to drive him further into a hole.
October 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a bunch of damn dogs chasing cars! If they get there, and perhaps get ahold of the Obama motorcade, what they hell are they gonna do with it once that happens?
Oh yeah, that's right, continue the same blessed policies that have proven to work so efficiently. By the end of this administration, not even the rich will have prospered!
Damn it! Face the facts and truth!
October 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's amazing in 2008 that people still fear "SOCIALISM!" My question is why the guy didn't blast McCain for proposing to spend 300+ Billion on buying bad mortgages, and for voting for the bail out bill.
October 9, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Socialists?!? Why, next thing you know they'll be nationalizing all the banks!
October 9, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
First thing I thought of. Probably the guy has no clue that McLame proposed that.
October 9, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
When some heads get bashed in by the roving bands of crazed nutjobs supporting McShame/Failin. Maybe then. Probably not before, because it wouldn't be fair to "The Maverick."
October 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait until John Stewart gets ahold of that footage.
October 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
SNL is doing their primetime tonight. I wonder how "current" the material will be? They could do some great redneck stuff.
October 9, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the pot is boiling. It seems that Obama has decided to confront the nonsense by calling out McCain on Ayers, daring him to raise it at the debate next week. The right-wingers are reacting to the dare with predictable lunacy, but the interesting point is that McCain may very well HAVE TO bring it up now, just to save face with the 20% he's got behind him. This is a fascinating maneuver by Obama and, frankly, if I didn't have so much confidence in Team Obama I'd be alarmed. As it is, I'm really looking forward to the dramatics. Should drive up the ratings for the debate, that's for sure.
October 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I think this Ayers smear gambit has gone far enough now that Obama ought to raise it at the next debate even if McShame DOESN'T.
October 9, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be an interesting tactic, especially at the get-go of the debate. Then everything McCain says about it is in response to Obama.
October 9, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, no ------ at the *end* of the debate, when he can say (in effect) "since my worthy opponent didn't have the nerve to say to my face what he's been saying behind my back, I'll go easy on him and provide answers just in case some of my own supporters have been wondering....."
October 9, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am beginning to think the same thing. A pre-emptive strike on the issue by Obama would take the air out of McSame's attack. All Obama has to do is mention that McSame is smearing him by spreading false information and innuendo rather than dealing with the critical issues in the country.
October 9, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, it's Obama's fault that McCFlailin/McFailin has to whip their supporters up into a lynchmob frenzy. He shoulda agreed to a million town hall debates. Plus he's, y'know, one of those.
wink wink nod wink wink wink
October 9, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, if you say "wink wink" fast enough, it almost sounds like "oink oink."
October 9, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like McCain/Palin rallies are starting to turn into weekly klan meetings.
October 9, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The new Donny and Marie Osmond:
McCain: I'm a little bit klansman
Palin: I'm a little bit Nazi
October 9, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
VERY FUNNY!
October 9, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
October 9, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And to think, this is nothing compared to what happened in the 50s-60s when these kinds of people did way worse things with the blessing of law enforcement. Scary times-then and now.
October 9, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The difference was that in the 50s, we hadn't already lost one leader after another.
We have now. Personally, I can't take another one - it would just completely destroy any hope I had left for this country.
October 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh . . .
But many leaders and potential leaders were lost before the 50s to lynchings and intimidation, others due to outright unforgivable nastiness (I'm thinking of you Paul Robeson, W.E.B. DuBois, John Raitt, and the great unknown, Major Taylor)
What I'd love is for the last debate to be building to this era of repression's "Have you no decency?" moment . . .
October 9, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's actually very true.
October 9, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
That isn't a very hopeful sentiment.
Reminds me of a Central American acquaintance who was a bit bemused by the idea that the shooting of four people at Kent State might have done anything to damp down the protest movement at that time. He remarked that it seemed very easy to frighten American progressives.
October 9, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's assholes supporters are doing Barack a favor by scaring the undecideds and the Independent to the democratic column. I hope these hooligans keep up attacks, it'll only show the rest of the electorate who dangerous and unstable the Palin-McCain ticket really is.
October 9, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The danger and instability won't go away once Obama wins the Presidency. They'll still be there, McCain will still be there. Seething.
I sincerely hope not, but I fear the inappropriate quote of Hilary Clinton's regarding assassination may come up.
October 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
i just watched those blogger interrupted videos talking to mccain/palin supporters outside their rallies yesterday, it's absolutely frightening. these rallies have become a weird mix of evangelical prayer singing and race baiting. john mccain, sarah palin and everyone working for them are disgusting people, they know exactly what they are doing and i hate that the media won't have the balls to say anything about it until it's too late. i'm so angry about it that it's got me tearing up.
October 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, we can always hope that half these people will vote for Obama by mistake considering their cognitive deficits.
October 9, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
When this is all over, and McCain has lost, where does he stand? The media is no longer enamored. The Democrats and many of the independents who once admired and respected him no longer will. The base of his party will have moved on, and he'll be facing a strong Democratic majority in Congress.
He'll just be a sad old man with diminished prospects, stewing in his righteous anger, possibly for the rest of his days.
October 9, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
And it will be well-deserved.
October 9, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good.
October 9, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
As troubling and scary as this stuff is, remember that when Pat Buchanan delivered his infamous "Culture War" speech at the Republican Convention in 1992, it so scared the nation that it almost certainly pushed a lot of folks into the Democratic column.
October 9, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember after the 2004 election, when Kerry returned to the Senate, he was given a standing ovation by his Democratic colleagues? maybe it was even Dems and some Reps, I don't recall. But there was genuine respect in it (even helped my healing a bit). ---- And Hillary's reception when she went back, even though most of her colleagues had endorsed Obama? ---- And, perish the thought, but can you imagine the respect Obama has gained, even if he were to lose?
Then I think about what it may be like for McCain to return .......... I guess Joe L and Lindsay Graham would welcome him, but would ANYONE else? He's already crossed some line that Senators just aren't supposed to cross.
(Actually, come to think of it, has anyone seen Joe or Lindsay - or Mitt or Tim -- hanging around since the foam-mouthed snarling started up?)
October 9, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
An antidote of the toxin:
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/10/joe-biden-tells-it-like-it-is.html
October 9, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is not just taking on McCain, he is taking on the entire Republican ideology that has dominated the country for the past 28 years. The ideology has enriched and empowered the select few and they will not go down with out scratching, clawing, and biting to the death.
All pretenses of civility and respect for the traditions and public institutions of this country will be pushed aside for the sole cause of maintaining power.
It is dangerous and irresponsible. But did you honestly expect anything different from these people?
October 9, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
If McCain keeps this up conservative white people will tell their friends they are voting for McCain but when they go to pull the lever in the privacy behind the curtain they'll have this subconscious reverse racist compulsion to vote for Obama.
McPalin needs to stop insulting their supporters' intelligence. Right wing kooks aren't going to get them votes.
October 9, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Governor of N.C (a Dem) said just that last night -- and he wasn't even factoring in the repulsion caused by all of this, mentioning just the economic concerns.
October 9, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a big disconnect here. The guy in the audience is going off on a purely partisan rant, and then McCain says he's right and makes a dig about the Democrats having majorities for the last two years, and then he tries to play bipartisan by saying he'll work with anyone to solve our problems. There's no logical consistency here.
And of course, the audience reaction to his promise to work with "anyone" was tepid and nowhere near the reaction to the red meat rantings.
October 9, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. This a crowd made up of only hockey fans who attend hoping for two or three fights.
October 9, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. Bloodsport. It's either a McShame/Failin rally, or a cockfight.
October 9, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or a crowd of villagers that has found a witch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
October 9, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
In other words, McShame has lost his freakin' mind. Seriously. I think the PTSD is combining with his disastrous presidential run and maybe his medical problems in a perfect storm of psychotic break.
October 9, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not forget he's lost Mr. Puddles.
October 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
"That's news, and you'd think it would get some serious and aggressive treatment from the big news orgs."
You'd think so. My god, we're "this" close to McCain or Palin asking one of these mobs: "Who will rid us of this dingy terrorist sympathizer?!" I don't recall ever witnessing such mindless demagoguery by the leaders of a major party ticket in my lifetime, and I have seen a lot of elections. The truly scary thing is, this virulence will outlast McCain-Palin's defeat in November. McCain and Palin are creating and unleashing a creature they cannot control, and they should have the good sense to know that. But apparently they don't know that -- or worse yet, they do know it but truly don't care. That should be closely examined by the media. The media should be asking point blank: Are McCain and Palin aware that they may be endangering the life of the next President of the United States?
October 9, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean to tell me they aren't putting "country first". I am shocked!
October 9, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nor have I - nor do I understand why it is tolerated for one second.
October 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just saw this on CNN and came here to see if you would talk about it...there you go.
The hatred right now is astounding by the Republicans. It goes with something I said that they feel it is the end for them...at least for a while.
Crowds can lose control, but that McCain consents to it is disturbing.
October 9, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
October 9, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could see some serious violence occuring at the polls on election day.
October 9, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or say an outdoor Obama rally when some drunk thugs show up to teach those commies a thing or two.
October 9, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Publicola come on - LOL! Do you have any idea how outnumbered they are going to be at the polls?
Dude or dudette - no. They can't start violence - they'd be killed.
October 9, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
What did thy say on CNN?
October 9, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
When McCain first unveiled his campaign logo, someone (I think from this site) said it looked as if McCain were running for Führer. Back then I thought it was a joke.
October 9, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hooligans 'R Us!
October 9, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You cannot control a mob.
October 9, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something the rightwing crazies would be well served to remember. Push a little too far, and it could well be white robes swinging from trees.
October 10, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Has anyone read the New York Times article about Troopergate?
Very interesting:) and very good news for McWar and its pitbull...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
October 9, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like McCain is well aware of Obama's statement to Gibson yesterday: "Why doesn't he say it to my face?"
Near the very end of his speech today, McCain said this to the audience: 'Let me look you straight in the face -- I'll never let you down."
Tell me that's a coincidence.
October 9, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a coincidence. McCain was probably yelling at a cloud whilst infront of a group of onlookers.
October 9, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain has simply lost it. He is and always was out of touch...The latest is calling Americans "My fellow prisoners"
Check out the clip...
http://www.internetisfun.com/item.php?ownerid=8&playid=5544
October 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, McCain is succeeding just swimmingly at raising a panic among those poor lost souls who are standing on the deck of the Titanic.
These poor stupid s-u-c-k-e-r-s are in a state of stark raving fear, and that is where this hate speech is coming from in them.
McCain? Ditto. He has completely lost the MSM. We are in the middle of nothing less than global economic collapse. Even WV has swung 16 points in Obama's favor - probably an outlier, but still.
McCain's personal fear is transmitting to the crowds at his campaign events, and through their TVs. Remember that these people are sadly susceptible to authoritarian figures. I don't advise pity, but rather caution.
Not to be an alarmist, but if you are an out liberal - if I may borrow the phrase: 'out' - at work, in your neighborhood, wherever - be careful and vigilant.
If you start getting seriously bad vibes from someone, for reasons you don't understand, be ready to make an escape or fight back.
October 9, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's sad that it's come to this, but I think you're right.
October 9, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guys, look - I wouldn't worry about it.
At the beginning of the war, I had a bunch of anti-Bush stickers that used to get me chased, yelled at, followed, threatened - big deal.
Just two years later, those same maniacs were pulling up next to me to say: Love your stickers! Agree with all of them!
There aren't very many of these anti-liberal lunatics running around anymore - they are way way outnumbered.
October 9, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama is such a terrorist and hooligan, I don't see how McCain can be "pallin' around" with him at these debates, shaking his hand, patting his arm.
Good grief, man, that's no way to treat a terrorist.
October 9, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope Obama has doubled his security detail. I'd even consider smaller venues with better security rather than the wide open venues with essentially walk-up crowds. If the networks were covering this as they should, it might shame McCain and Palin.
I can't believe Powell is sitting on the sidelines, I remember an interview when asked if he'd run for President he said he promised his wife he wouldn't because she was afraid he's get assassinated.
Where is Dick Luger or Chuck Hagel, Republicans who've worked with Obama before. Where are the respectable Republicans who could stand up and say enough? There is no leadership in the GOP.
October 9, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forget Powell. He sold his sold to George W.Bush and has never tried to buy it back. He is still friends with Bush, and the Powells still have George and Laura over for dinner.
October 9, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you.
I'll rant on this again - Please get over Colin Powell.
This is what the world thinks of Colin Powell - when he went to Spain as SoS after the new government was in office there, they left him cooling his heels in an anteroom for 2 and 1/2 hours.
Colin Powell is poison - get over him, please. Please - America really needs to realize he threw his lot in with the neo-cons - he's not honorable.
October 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only huge reasons Powell is entertaining the thought of voting for Obama is twofold:
1. Powell is still pissed at Bush for being made out to be a patsy and having to resign 4 years ago when it should have been Rumsfeld.
2. Powell is black and every black person in America is going to vote for Obama. Armstrong Williams, JC Watts, Jeb's campaign manager in 02 who is AA.
Powell hasn't changed. He's still scum. O's race and his hatred of Bush is pretty much all that's a factor here.
October 9, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, there's something just a bit unsettling about having a public figure (any one, but especially one that some of us admire) so casually referred to as "scum" in the middle of this particular conversation.
October 9, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I find his behavior beyond disturbing.
Why hold onto the fiction of admiration for something that doesn't exist?
October 9, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I AGREE WITH JONZE.
This is getting me more and more worried. I think it's about fucking time some Republicans call McCain out on this. Publicly.
It's not about political endorsements, or whether we think Powell has credibility. It's about people who are politically NOT aligned with Obama saying, "This has gotten out of hand and it's time to stop it, now!" And that means, yep, Powell, Hagel, Lugar, Bloomberg - frankly, any conservative who has a decent bone in their body should be telling McCain off publicly.
Because it sure as hell isn't going to mean fuck-all if they do it after something tragic and horrible happens.
October 9, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
An interview with Sarah Palin's head speech writer. Watch and learn where the Barbiecuda's purty words come from.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/an-in-depth-interview-with-sar.php
October 9, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
i just don't know why, other than Olbermann and Maddow, no one in the press is talking about the AIP or Trooper-gate!
They've got too much to lose by making a big deal about Ayres.
October 9, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also I hope the campaign is smart enough to have the local field offices close up shop the day Palin/McCain rolls into the area.
Imagine you are an undecided voter heading to a rally to hear McCain/Palin speak...
October 9, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
First - the Secret Service takes care of Obama's security.
Second - The Repugs don't have any leaders - you're totally right. I have said so myself for days - and I stole it, too, from Rachel Maddow.
Maybe all the Democrats -Pelosi, Reid, every last one of them should stand up and demand publicly that this stop.
October 9, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
What would Obama do if a member of one of his audiences called McCain a fascist or a Klansman?
He would call them out, of course.
McCain is a hopeless wuss.
A maverick-turned-lemming.
October 9, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was never a maverick in the first place.
October 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
These hate rallies are a shaken can of soda. It only takes one crazy to crack it open.
October 9, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ode to Sean Hannity
by John Cleese
Aping urbanity
Oozing with vanity
Plump as a manatee
Faking humanity
Journalistic calamity
Intellectual inanity
Fox Noise insanity
You’re a profanity
Hannity
October 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope Obama channels FDR. We once had a President who told Americans they had nothing to fear but fear itself. Could there be a greater contrast with Bush/McCain?
October 9, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, for those who wonder how could an organization like the Nazis rise to power in post-depression Germany, here is how.
October 9, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
BINGO. You are exactly right.
October 9, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too on target. I don't think McCain and Palin could have gotten this kind of crowd frenzy before the economic collapse (which he immediately made super-emotional with the "suspension" and all that malarkey) -- but this is how it happens.
Since Darlin' Sarah burst on the scene, I've been thinking about that phenomenon a lot - what do you do when your country goes crazy? The words, the meaning doesn't matter - just the feeling of empowerment to those who feel ignored and powerless.
October 9, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
In this instance, IMO, the first thing you do is you recognize that this isn't your country - it's a relatively small group of people.
October 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
To clarify -- I've been wondering what I would feel/think on Nov. 5th if McCain and Palin had been elected. THEN, I've been thinking ever since I got an idea of what Ms Sarah was like, it might be accurate to say that my country had gone crazy. Now I *know* it would be!
October 9, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, that's how a lot of us have felt with the last eight years under Bush. (At least, that's how I've felt.) The stealing of the 2000 election (and possibly 2004, too), the fear and intimidation, the steady erosion of civil liberties, Dick Cheney, the media acquiescence ... there were a lot of very eerie parallels with 1930s Germany, especially with the way Hitler won first at the ballot box due to the opposition being split (think of Nader's impact in 2000), then gained control of courts and the media, and support of the economic powers that be, and after several years, it was full-blown Naziism. It happened slowly enough that a lot of Germans didn't fully grasp what was going on until too late -- same as here.
An Obama victory would end that parallel. Which is why the crazies are becoming unhinged and quite possibly considering doing something unimaginably awful.
October 9, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign.
Their hour is past. This is not really analogous to Germany at the rise of the Nazis. They done rose - they're on the last of the arc going down.
:)
October 9, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the biggest factor that makes the analogy fall apart (apologies acamus) there was no other strong leader in Germany who could oppose Hitler. Granted, Bush is weak, like the Weimar Republic. But we have a strong leader between us and the fascists - and thank the gods and goddesses Barack Obama decided to run.
October 9, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
No apologies needed. I merely wanted to point out how politicians can whip a group of people into a mob willing to attack others. If we had a dunce of a candidate going against McCain, I shudder. But we don't, we have Obama. If only there was someone like Obama in Germany in the thirties.
October 9, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I should add, that by whipping them into a frenzy of hate, they are able to seize power and to expand that power. Again, Thank God for Obama.
October 9, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The people saying "she's just like me." Her suddenly using the phrase "joe six pack."
"It's us against the jews, no I mean the blacks, no I mean the socialists. Or are they commies? Commie fags? Who let all this rift raft into the room?"
October 9, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe for one moment this was spontaneous. Bet it's a plant, just like the idiots who scream "treason" and "kill him"....this way, McCain can look completely innocent while getting his real message out. i don't believe a word this little man says.
October 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. I thought the exact same thing after the first "spontaneous" outburst. I would not be at all surprised if McSame and Trailer Trash Barbie were told ahead of time that someone would yell out epithets of some sort.
October 9, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was exactly my thought. As we saw it on the news, not sure if it was bbc or what.
October 9, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. Biden hits exactly the right tone. Taking off the jacket did put a smile on my face. These guys aren't letting anything get by them!
October 9, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was supposed to be in reply to Subliminability up thread. I KNOW I hit the reply button.
October 9, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he is such a poor leader he doesn't even recognize that they are running off the rails, let alone how to put them back on track. Look at him. He thought all that applause was for him.
October 9, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
yep.
October 9, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
WE now know that when McCain said he looked-up to civil rights & MLK' friend ,John Lewis,McCain was lie-ing just like he has done all along.He (McCain)has never had any diginity.Even Joe Klein nows that now.
October 9, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well god yes - McLame opposed the MLK holiday up one side and down the other and Az does not recognize it, still, I believe.
October 9, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
They do now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr._Day#cite_note-9
"John McCain voted against the creation of the holiday to honor King, and later defended Arizona Republican Governor Mecham's rescinding of the state holiday in honor of King created by his Democratic predecessor. After his opposition grew increasingly untenable, McCain reversed his position, and encouraged his home state of Arizona to recognize the holiday despite opposition from then-Governor Evan Mecham[10]"
October 9, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Sidewalk To Nowhere - McCain Supporters in Bethlehem, PA
Just look at the kind of people who are waiting in line for a McCain rally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us
McCain and Palin are very dangerous by stirring up this kind of behavior. EVERY decent American should fear. McCain and Palin should just put on white robes and be done with it.
Watch only if you have a stong stomach.
October 9, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
But the ending gives one hope.
October 9, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Especially repulsive was one McCain supporter yelling "She should pay double!" when an Obama supporter told the crowd that Sarah Palin charged raped victims for rape kits.
And to make it worse, fellow Republicans chuckled at his line.
Utterly. Fucking. Despicable.
October 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
These people make me sick.
October 9, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one! Thank you!
October 9, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
God that is the angriest bunch of dumbasses I've ever seen or heard. And most of them are sure old enough to know better.
October 9, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I don't think there isn't anything there that hasn't already been approximated in past elections...
October 9, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes.. he did the same things when a woman in his audience talked about how stretched thin our military is and that she didn't see any way for McCain to 'chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell' without reinstating the draft. He said I agree with everything you just said.
The manner in which McCain/Palin are inciting hatred and voilent threats is outrageous. The only thing I could think of that might actually work to tone them down is to get some of their own religious leaders involved. How can this be in alignment with their 'values'?
As far as I am concerned the fact that they have not rerimanded the shouts of 'terrorist' and 'kill him' in reference to their opponent demostrates their poor judgement, lack of morals/ethics/values, and the lowest form of leadership. This behavior alone proves that they are unworthy of ANY public office. I have been disturbed that the media and our leaders have not reprimanded them severely and expressed more shock and outrage. McCain/Palin are certainly not putting their country first...they are willing to use the darkest ugliest side of human nature to win.
October 9, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
the thing about rallying the Republicans base is that those votes wont be enough in this cycle. The Republkican party has shrunk.
McCain may get his base excited, but there is a boomerang effect in that it will turn off independants and women.
October 9, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can a 72-year old man can be that irresponsible?! They are really playing with fire. All what it takes is for one of those idiots to take a gun and shoot somebody and all hell gets loose. Is there any adult in the republican party? I am not worried about the election, I think most people will see this ranting from home and run the other way. I am worried about the future, and the possibility of violence coming back to Ameriocan politics
October 9, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, and when you consider that we're in the middle of a crashing stock market, stoking emotional reactions is criminally irresponsible. You might even call it domestic terrorism.
October 9, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to the Page, some of the networks apparently did mention the "raucous" rally held in Wisconsin.
But I wanted to share this. I'm beginning to love Joe Biden:
October 9, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
God I love the guy. I really, really do.
October 9, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whu pow!
Gotta love Joe, that scrappy kid from Scranton.
October 9, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oooooo - kapow!
Biden's been awesome (I'm wearing that word out - sorry)
October 9, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO!!!
Thanks for that. After all this negativity, I needed a good giggle.
October 9, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let us not forget what happened to Bill Gwatney. McCain should be ashamed of himself.
October 9, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Gwatney (August 26, 1959] – August 13, 2008) was an American politician who served as the State Chair of the Democratic Party of Arkansas. On August 13, 2008, Gwatney was fatally wounded[6] when a man, identified in news reports as Timothy Dale Johnson, 50,entered Democratic Party headquarters in Little Rock, Arkansas and shot Gwatney three times.
October 9, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bush hadn't already worn out the Nazi analogies, it would make a hell of an ad to parallel some footage of Der Fuhrer and Goebbels with the McCain-Palin ugliness. Throw in some Bull Connor, Ross Barnett, maybe some book burnings.
October 9, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word up. I was thinking the other day that they just ought to run some Hitler audio behind Palin at one of those things.
October 9, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The McChurian Candidate
Maybe McCain did actually go over to the other side while he was rightly imprisoned as a war criminal in North Vietnam, and maybe those confessions he signed were sincere.
A McCain presidency WOULD devastate this country, and the world. So maybe he was brainwashed and is now living out his programming to reduce the United States to a frothing helpless former giant.
October 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
There might even be a bit more stabiity in the international markets if this country wasn't controlled by lunatics.
October 9, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
October 9, 2008 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is so very fascist of them--demonizing the press, whipping up mobs into a xenophobic hysteria...I know that there are crazies out there, but to have a major party candidate stirring all this up is absolutely appalling. I wonder how long it will be before they start burning books? I'm sure Palin would approve.
Normally Palin is a source of great amusement to me, but this just makes me feel sick and scared.
October 9, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
They want you to feel scared. They are trying to intimidate the candidates, the voters and the media. Don't let these sum-soaked bastards get away with it. My mom, who used to be a Democrat, has been whipped up. She told me "How can you say he's not close friends with that terrorist Ayers?" An old business partner told me "I can't vote for a socialist like Obama who lobbied for Freddie Mac!" Rational people are doing stupid things. That's the Republican plan.
October 9, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Powell is a useless pile of crap. He knew better and lied about the "imminent threat" and weapons labs to the U.N.
October 9, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
A desperate and last-ditch McCain-Palin strategy risks stirring up dangerous undercurrents of racial hate and potential national violence.
Excerpt from: 30 DAYS OF HATE
This is an amazing story with must see video.
SEE THE FULL STORY HERE:
http://okwassup.blogspot.com
October 9, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Things are going to get real ugly if Son of Great Depression actually hits.
October 9, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, CNN starts picking up the story, right? What about others? This should be REPORTED as it is -- demagoguery, hate rally, fringe mob -- those idiots should NOT just "talk about" Ayers. Damn!
October 9, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The way McCain is acting only leads me to this conclusion. This is McCain's last dance politically. He wont seek re-election as Senator either.
After this election we wont hear from him until 2012 when Gov Plain runs for office. He will come out to endorse her and then he will be off into the sunlight for good.
October 9, 2008 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Such hollow words from John McCain. "it is one country, indivisible and I will do that"
First off that is not really close to being a complete thought, but W has proven most Americans do not care about that.
Secondly, by validating the hate filled response to his own divisive campaign how does he expect to rally the American people?
He is basically saying that half of the country is vile, evil and stupid when he knows that is not true. Leaders bring people together.
Remember this election is about us, McCain does not think highly of most of us...
October 9, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's discuss payback when Obama picks an AG. We have to prosecute these hate mongers. If it's illegal to shout "fire!" in a crowded theater then what's the penalty for "Traitor" "Socialist" and "Kill him!" while Palin and McCain cheer them on?
October 9, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could I just get your attention about this one damn time people?
Half and half my ass! McLame is down to the bitter core of the rightwing and it's about 30%.
So the divide he's working is roughly 79-30.
Damn people - please? I'm begging you -
October 9, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was supposed to be 70-30.
But if you ask me, it's closer to 80-20, anyway.
October 9, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can give you that...
half just easier to type than three quarters....
Aside from that, you also raise a good point. One of my coworkers, a little longer in the tooth than I, actually sees this as sort of a good thing. Not good in that people are saying these nasty things and trying to win through fear and hate, but rather, good because they, the rabid right, the ideologues that have taken the Republicans from conservative to right wing are returning to the status of the John Birch society.
Sure the john Birch Society built the framewrok for the modern ideology that has lead us to near disaster, but back when they were a functioning group, spouting their hatred, most people in the country ignored them.
While politically engaged folks like us need to keep our attention on them so that brand of conservatism does not rise up again, it is good that they are putting themselves in that box in mainstream voters minds.
Through McCain's campaign, he would argue, they are marginalizing themselves rather nicely...
October 9, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah I said something else like that upthread - I want this very public because I agree with you about the affect.
And I'm just on a real tear about people being stuck back in '04 when it really did seem to be half and half. Our saving grace is that Barack Obama decided to run. He has what we need to really bring most Americans back together.
October 9, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it wasn't scary, it would be actually SILLY.
My prediction: that after Obama wins, he will (pragmatically and inclusively) bring this country together in a way that has not been seen in a long long time.
I say this because of many things I have read: outright racists voting for Obama because our country is in trouble and he has the only viable plan they've heard: wu-wu hippies hooked on hope: middle of the roaders understanding that we are, in fact, all in this together, and....I could go on and on, but you get it. And so does Obama.
October 9, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you - I totally agree with you.
October 9, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
If elected there will be class and race wars not seen in decades.
How's that for counterpoint.
October 9, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thirty percent of the population, and that 30% rather older than not, are going to have one hell of a time waging culture and race wars.
It's like one skirmish and it's over, fogu.
October 9, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
About as spectacular as the PUMA protest marches across the country during the DNC.
October 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
We aren't so much interested in the details of how what's left of the Republican party will implode. Everyone will ignore them and let them get on with it. Maybe if we're really nasty we'll lay bets on which faction wins in the end, the People's Liberation Front of Judea or the Judean People's Liberation Front.
October 9, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Splinter!
October 9, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dammit...you beat me!!!!
Is it "splinters" or "splitters"? I always thought it was "splitters", but I could be wrong.
October 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually in one part of the scene when one of them rails on the People's Front of Judea, he calls them "splinters!" When they shout at the lone soul who is the Popular Front of Juduea, they shout "splinter!"
So we were both right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-0Az7dgRY
October 9, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Splitters!!!!!!!!"
October 9, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL - perfect!
October 9, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
These people are so whipped up about "socialists," but I'm pretty sure that none of them have a clue what socialism is. Because at the same event, McCain pitched his "Resurgence Plan," which socializes mortgages across the country. And they nodded along and cheered. WTF?
October 9, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
They wouldn't know what socialism was if it bit them on the ass, but they're absolutely terrified of it! You'd think that if it was such a big concern for them, they would care enough to know what they were talking about...this is just a big pet peeve of mine. When I read people carrying on about Obama being a marxist or socialist I want to reach through the screen and slap them. I just can't take the stupid anymore.
October 9, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes -- another fav word of those same people is "Marxist!" but I'm pretty sure they are totally clueless what it actually means. Empty heads react empty words.
October 9, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
These are code words that make it acceptable to be racist. Boy. Socialist. Terrorist. They can't say the N-Word so they use these words.
October 9, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
George H.W. Bush --- He's a former President, damnit, and this is his party!!
(Or, for that matter, our current President might be seen as having some responsibility for keeping peace in the nation .... but given the circumstances, that's just a belated, novel thought.)
October 9, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Americans are angry. The stock market tanks while the govt. takes over financial institutions and buys up every bad investment in site. And Obama proposed institutionalized health care and an unprecedented expansion of govt. programs. All paid for by income redistribution.
Obama is unabashedly endorsing and representing increased socialism. Is he afraid to admit the truth?
October 9, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are not even close, Turdmemore. What about the billions in no-bid contracts to Haliburton? Corporate Socialism. Tax breaks for oil companies who made a trillion dollars in profits last year? Corporate socialism. Tax breaks for the million-plus crowd 2 years in a row? Socialism for the rich. We could provide health benefits for America for years for the price of 2 months in Iraq. BTW, who introduced the $700 BILLION payout to Wall Street this month? GWB a Republican. A socialist by your definition. And it hasn't even worked you useless troll.
October 9, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice attempt at diversion.
Obama is a socialist through and through.
You may think it is a loaded terminology. That doesn't make it any less accurate.
October 9, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Diversion? I'm talking about re-regulating the banks and stopping the looting, greed and corruption that got us into this Depression. I'm talking about ending a disastrous war with no end in sight and a trillion-dollar price tag. You're flame throwing with the socialist label. Then when I throw it back at you citing facts you cry "diversion."
October 9, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice attempt at failing to comprehend what he wrote. Sheesh!
You can always tell a Repub...they *never* can admit when they are wrong or take responsibility. Basically insecure and defensive. Classic.
October 9, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Troll.
October 9, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, fogu, I don't have a problem with socialist tendencies. Obama isn't may man as far as that is concerned.
What folks don't realize is just how much daily socialism they have and rely on.
October 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
*my* man...
October 9, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! Thank you for being Exhibit A of exactly what candideyam posted about at 8:11 pm!
October 9, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
DSWX, you're welcome. I missed that post, what was it?
October 9, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, Traiterjoe, my reply was supposed to be to tellmemore. Sometimes the sequence here gets out of whack and hard to follow. We're good!
October 9, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The markets are tanking because they have no faith in what McCain offers. And that he's stirred up a hornet's nest of racism as his campaign standard, the markets are seeking shelter for a perfect storm of financial ruin that will come if he wins the election.
October 9, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repeat after me, fuckwit:
The failure of our economy is the failure of the Republicans. They have to own this failure.
They have failed spectacularly in the 12 years they had the majority. They are responsible.
October 9, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I feel strongly that the time is ripe for an epic and historic speech from Obama. Talk about race. Talk about hate. Talk about blind prejudice. Then talk about the hope to fix it. Talk about changing the way these people think. Talk about reaching out to them. Talk about changing this country.
The country will listen.
October 9, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Talk, talk, talk.
That certainly is Obama's raison d'etre.
October 9, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. You're right.
Sorry I brought it up. Words have never inspired anybody.
Just look at your ticket's speeches. Their words haven't inspired any emotion at all.
October 9, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is that one emotion they inspire: hate.
October 9, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you want him to do, go punch the economy in the face? What is WRONG with you wingnuts?
October 9, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
'Raison d'etre'? French? What are you, a ter-symp yourself? And speaking of talk ... enjoy Obama's victory speech November 4! I know the rest of is will!
October 10, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Turdmemore, what solutions are your candidates of hate offering? More deregulation? More war?
October 9, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Americans are looking for a way to be proud again. Please see this poem by Audre Lorde:
Bicentennial Poem # 21,000,000
I know
the boundaries of my nation lie
within myself
but when I see old movies
of the final liberation of Paris
with french tanks rumbling over land
that is their own again
and old french men weeping
hats over their hearts
singing a triumphant national anthem
My eyes fill up with muddy tears
that have no earth to fall upon.
October 9, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Viva la resistance!
October 9, 2008 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
we are ALL la resistance.
October 9, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
We are the resistance we have been waiting for.
October 9, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, this emboldened, radical, "take no prisoners" approach has given license to road rage attacks in my part of the world. I have a simple "Obama/Biden 08" bumper sticker. No slurs, no insults. Just a show of support for my candidate. This gets me flashed from the rear, tailgated, honked at, yelled obscenities, the finger, cut me off and run off the road. It's always someone in a big, gas guzzling SUV or pickup truck. These folks are always crazy and agressive, but now the McCain camp has given their blessings. It isn't new; we experienced the same behavior in 2000 and 2004. New name for Republicans: Bully Party.
October 9, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
In regards to Obama, yes he's voicing the Dem message effectively and remarkable skilled and bright. But keep in mind that Bill Clinton was also a remarkably skilled and bright candidate, but espoused a very different message.
Why?
During Clinton's era laissez faire had been so popularized during a period of great prosperity and intellectual complacency (call it the strip mall era) during which time we exploited the benefits of our developed infrastructure (universities, skilled labor, transportation, etc) while becoming intellectually lazy and running enormous debts.
Anti-government and anti-tax rhetoric is always appealing so long as one believes the country will remain magically prosperous and honest due to invisible hands and such.
Now, it's become undeniable all that was a lot of nonsense, and in fact we've squandered much of our global advantage by destroying our institutions while allowing corruption and predatory economics to run rampant.
So, I give enormous credit to Obama as the best person to deliver this message at this time. But he or anyone is only able to because the times and the national zeitgeist have fundamentally changed, due to the inevitable failure of the garbage ideology Republicans have popularized over decades and many Democrats, particularly the DLC, signed on to.
October 9, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
that was a reply to Anonymous Bosch
October 9, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can give you that...
half just easier to type than three quarters....
Aside from that, you also raise a good point. One of my coworkers, a little longer in the tooth than I, actually sees this as sort of a good thing. Not good in that people are saying these nasty things and trying to win through fear and hate, but rather, good because they, the rabid right, the ideologues that have taken the Republicans from conservative to right wing are returning to the status of the John Birch society.
Sure the john Birch Society built the framewrok for the modern ideology that has lead us to near disaster, but back when they were a functioning group, spouting their hatred, most people in the country ignored them.
While politically engaged folks like us need to keep our attention on them so that brand of conservatism does not rise up again, it is good that they are putting themselves in that box in mainstream voters minds.
Through McCain's campaign, he would argue, they are marginalizing themselves rather nicely...
October 9, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
reply to hussein
October 9, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Good points.
October 9, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I posted a long reply to you and it landed somewhere else.
Basically, I totally agree with you on the affect of what is going on and I kind of said something similar way back upthread, just not as well or as well-explained as your comment. I think that this needs to be known very widely because it tells people who thought maybe we were overstating the situation these last 8 years just exactly what kind of people we are dealing with.
And as for the half - I just am on a tear about people being stuck back in '04 and still thinking over half the country is stupid/insane.
October 9, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buckeye, hope you are right. My parents have bought into this shit and that's scary. Hope others are smarter.
October 9, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't Nixon say the ends justifies the means?
October 9, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well that kind of started with Nietzche.
October 9, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I saw Nietzsche's name, I could not pass on the temptation it aroused in me.
The Nietzsche that I read did not sound like the harbinger of Nixonian end-justifies-means political philosophy.
A careful reading of Nietzsche's ideas cannot miss the following 5 themes running through most of his works: (a) counter movement to nihilism, (b) the will to power, (c) the creation of Overman, (d) revaluation of all values, and (e) Perspectivism.
Like Hitler, one could easily mistake about "will to power," which I interpret as will to increase, will to struggle for growth, and will to overcome one’s weakness. In brief, it is the will to create Hellenic culture that combines aesthetics and philosophy. Most importantly, will to power is to overcome what one is so that one initiates the task of becoming what one’s ideal self is, or what one is potential of becoming. Last but not least, Nietzsche defined will to power as the creative transformation of existence that ought to be raised to the highest possible intensity and qualitative expression. One of the functions of will to power is the will to truth. Will to power should not be confused with political power, which Nietzsche called barbarism (Kaufmann, "The Discovery of Will to Power," in Nietzsche: A Collection of Critical Essays, pp.232-242). Now, will to power is not to be the exercise of display of power by brutalizing one’s weaker or inferior. Will to power could be evil only in the hands of the weak that “wishes to hurt and see the sign of sufferings” (Nietzsche, The Dawn: Thoughts On Moral Prejudices , p.371).
October 9, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shill - –noun
1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.
2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
–verb (used without object)
3. to work as a shill: He shills for a large casino.
–verb (used with object)
4. to advertise or promote (a product) as or in the manner of a huckster; hustle: He was hired to shill a new TV show.
The word originally denoted a carnival worker who pretends to be a member of the audience in an attempt to elicit interest in an attraction.
October 9, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg Sargent wrote: "The point is, McCain is letting this whack-job fear and hysteria ride across the board, and is even encouraging it. That's news, and you'd think it would get some serious and aggressive treatment from the big news orgs."
Followers of Palin-McCain have already threatened and screamed racial epithets at "mainstream media" journalists covering a Palin rally. I guess that wasn't enough.
Perhaps it will take some Palin supporters delivering a bit more "serious and aggressive treatment" to "mainstream media" journalists -- a few beatings, perhaps -- before the "big news orgs" will start to give serious and aggressive attention to the resemblances between Palin-McCain followers and 1930s brownshirts.
October 9, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read somewhere that the secret service is starting to take interest in these exercises in free speech with the intent to commit bodily harm on protected individuals under their care. I suspect soon at a rally near you, someone will say something and they will be tackled to the ground by agents in the crowds, then the entire group will go fisticuffs and people will get hurt. May be the first televised presidential campaign riot to be aired on prime time.
October 9, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just read the Alaska Supreme Court rejected the attempt by a group of six Republican legislators to shut down the Legislature's investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin. So tomorrow is going to be an interesting newsday.
October 9, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
The old duffer caught up in the consequence of his own circumstance is typical of the midwestern know nothing,,,, it is an identifiable sub species and is found in all sorts of groups and movements. He obviously is ignoring the 'socialism' of Gov. LaFolette that helped pull Wisconsin out of the Great Depression,,,, not to mention the 'socialism' of the Democratic Farmer Labor Party of Minnesota that did the same there.
Oh well, the old fool is probably related to Joseph McCarthey,,,, the apple didn't fall far from the tree if such is the case.
October 9, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dollars to doughnuts this guy is a plant. Anybody wanna take the bet? It's time? Really? McCain's party has been driving for 30 years.
October 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only way the MSM is going to wake up and call McCain out is if we the people raise enough hell. Call, write, and email the TV and radio stations, and the newspapers, and DEMAND they speak out, or you boycott. If enough people act, the message will sink in.
October 9, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. And make them friggin' cover the Alaskan Independence Party.
October 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shame on McCain-Palin. If anyone had respect for McCain before (like myself) all that respect is GONE. Shame on him and his ignorant running-mate. Shame on the people they have paid to be hooligans themselves. And shame on George Bush and Karl Rove for turning the United States into a country paralyzed with fear.
October 9, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, in Gaelic a hooligan is a fun person,,,, to be a hooley or to have a hooley is a good, fun thing,,, music, dancing, ale, more music, dancing, ale, and so forth. The word gets a negitive connotation in English becuse a lot of the good times were at the expense of the English.
Our ticket is a hooley,,,, Barack is African/Irish and Biden is all Irish,,,, the two last acceptable prejudices for McCainiacs.
October 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm more ashamed of that African-American conservative talk radio host James T. Harris begging McCain to bring up Rev. Wright at the debate.
he said,
October 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Miss Chihuahua Hilton,
(Pardon me for adding "Chihuahua" because of one the metallic sculpture that I like).
There are about 8-15% Afro-Americans that support the Conservative social agendas, and for them Barack is biracial, and that is offensive to them. They are similar to Black Nazis who believe in racial purism.
October 9, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
that guy has just been on the o'reilly factor on fox on the pin head patriot section guess which he was yea the patriot but they did not show all what this guy said just the part where he said will you 2 work for us
October 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
check this shows the kind of people at these rallys
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/mccain-palin-rally-attend_n_133240.html
October 9, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
When will McCain have his Joseph Welch moment? And who will play Joseph Welch this time?
"Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty, or your recklessness. . . .
Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
October 9, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is turning into Father Coughlin right before our eyes.