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McCain Says No Need To Fear Obama, Calls On Supporters To Be "Respectful"

After taking criticism for standing by for days while his supporters grew increasingly unhinged and hysterical, John McCain did the right thing today, telling his supporters that there's no need to be "scared" of a president Obama and calling on them to be "respectful" towards him.

We have two videos for you from the same event. Here's vid of McCain saying that you needn't fear Obama: "He is a decent person, and a person that you do not have be scared as President of the United States"...

And here's video of McCain calling for respect from his supporters...

That's all fine. But if McCain wants to lower the temperature, how about stopping with the new ad implying that Obama is currently in league with a current terrorist? And if we see Wright come up next week, will this stuff still be operative?


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Don't hold your breath on him changing the tone of his ads or getting Palin to do the same...

Of course they won't. Down big in the polls, it would be political suicide not to. There really isn't any other choice for that sinking ship.

http://demockracy.com/chicago-sheriff-refuses-to-evict-renters/

hahaha, I'm loving McCain's body language there. Could it be more obvious that someone has forced him to dial it down?

I should say "something" has forced him to dial it down. Because I'm sure it's poll numbers and not anyone in his campaign suddenly growing a conscience.

Ah, here it is.

From Nate Silver

With 25 days to go until the election, Barack Obama is presently at his all-time highs in four of the six national tracking polls (Research 2000, Battleground, Hotline and Zogby) and is just one point off his high in Gallup. He has emerged with clear leads in both Florida and Ohio, where there are several polls out today. He is blowing McCain out in most polls of Pennsylvania and Michigan, and is making states like West Virgina and Georgia competitive.

There's just nothing in there for McCain to hang his hat on...

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You know what? Phuck him anyway!

Way too little, way too late. Any nutcases who spun their secret decoder rings this week got the message loud and clear, and I don't think McCain can get them to "stand down" after transmitting orders.

If anything is attempted, if there is any violence, it's all on McCain/Palin's head.

PEACE

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I'm with you - I think the Secret Service did have a Come to Jesus moment with McCain.

There was another story today that they were investigating the "Kill Him" incident and I just think they finally talked to McLame. They'd only talked to aides, I'd read.

Unless it's a different investigation of the same utterance, that story about the Secret Service has been out there for at least 48 hours. Doesn't mean they didn't have a word with McCain to step it back some; only that he and his campaign had to know that the Secret Service were looking at this incident, and still they pressed on with encouraging the insanity nevertheless.

I don't expect any intervention (save perhaps for a threat of imminent arrest) to deter Gov. Palin, however.

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Same incident, but Josh put up a story early today on the investigation, so something happened.

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I doubt the Secret Service gave McSame any advice about his rhetoric.

What I can imagine having happened is they interviewed him as a possible material witness in the "kill him" incident.  Something like that would be enough to make him soil his Depends™.

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Can I please ask what in the world makes y'all resist the idea that they talking to him?

It's the Secret Service. All he is is a Senator - they don't give a shit.

I am so amazed that y'all keep resisting this idea. I have read they talked to campaign aides about this more than once.

Why wouldn't they talk to McLame?

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talked

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I guess I insist on this because it makes me feel better - I feel like they are taking care of him.

I do believe that's what happened - but it does comfort me.

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Well, I can't speak for us all, just myself.

I'm doubtful about any arm-twisting by the Secret Service because McSame hasn't broken any laws.  He hasn't advocated violence against Obama.  And there's been only once incident -- the "kill him" incident -- that's a violation... and there's no tape of it, and the guy might have been referring to Ayers, not Obama.

Political speech is hugely protected.  If somebody in the crowd yelled, "kill him," and McSame did not signal his approval, the job of the Secret Service would be to investigate that guy.

But McSame was there, so they'd certainly want to interview him.  That would certainly make me sit up and pay attention.  I suspect that's what happened with McSame.

Also, imagine how the politics of this plays out.  If after having the Secret Service investigate one incident like this, McSame then goes on to stoke the crowd and another "kill him" spoutage happens and another investigation is started, huge numbers of voters will see him as reckless and irresponsible.  Especially with much of the MSM having lept off the tire swing.

A lot of people would see him as heading up a lynch mob, and that's not what he wants.

I don't trust them because they've been Bush's Praetorian Guard for 8 years. I refuse to trust any member of the government until they have proved they aren't knuckle-dragging, anti-American, anti-Enlightenment, anti-God Fundiban, as the sole strategy for every other sector of the government under Bush is to get fascati in power - why should I exempt the Secret Service? As far as I'm concerned they are guilty of planning to assassinate Obama until they prove otherwise - they are not some sort of super-humans, incapable of corruption, and considering Bush Doctrine is to only accept anti-Constituion applkicants for government jobs, I see no reason to assume the Secret Service is not his brownshirts? Anything less than utter contempt for them until they prove they have some vague idea of Constitutionality and rule of law is Pollyannaism of the worst kind. It is their job to serve the interests of the people, not mine to bow my knee to them as my masters.

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While I really love the imagery of that kind of scenario and it plays to my sense of self-righteous justice... I also don't really think it would've been necessary.

There's probably all sorts of political/legal/ethical ramifications to telling a presidential candidate what they're allowed or not allowed to say on the stump. But there's no ramifications to asking a few harmless, non-accusatory questions. They do their jobs, they don't get accused of favouritism (yeah, regardless of how unjustly or irrationally. Have you seen much rationality lately?).

And in politics, where every other gesture, tone of voice, body stance is over-analyzed and taken to hold worlds of meaning, simply having the secret service rock up to the door and, "Just want to ask a few questions about an investigation into a death threat on Obama," screams pretty damn loud. And I'm pretty sure they'd be aware of that.

It's saying without saying: "This is us politely telling you to quit it, without directly confronting you. If you don't quit it, there WILL be confrontation and it will be very embarrassing for you. Ball's in your court."

...More importantly, going in like a bull in a china shop means a mountain of scrutiny and paperwork (paperTRAIL). I rather suspect the secret service dislikes both.

Both hypocritical and pathetic.

He's ONLY walking this back because his campaign sees the negatives going through the fucking roof.

Obama has to keep his cool and keep talking about the economy.

Let the nuts at McCain rallies scream all they want. there is not a single independent who will choose to vote for McCain from here on out if he comes out "fighting."

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You need not fear Obama. Inherent in that statement is a negation. It's like saying, don't fear that grampa is a pervert!

Right, don't worry, Daddy won't hit you again.

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obama should use this in a ad. mccain admits nobody should be scared of a obama presidency.

Another example of the "erratic and uncertain" behavior.

Would be interpreted as too tacky. More generally, dear God, I've never seen such a tone-deaf bunch as you people.

You should add video of the woman stating that she knows Obama's not a black person but an A-rab. That was the highlight of the entire event! Pure wingnut zaniness!

He gets booed at his own rallies for telling these animals that they should be respectful.

He has no idea, none, what he's unleashed.

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I appreciate and respect that McCain said that.

Unfortunately, I doubt he's actually the one in charge of his campaign anymore, so I don't expect to see any real change in the tone of the campaign.

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Seems to me that the negativity is all that mcShame has got going to lure people to his rallies, if he's there alone. I hope his marching orders to keep things calm leads to lowered attendance at his rallies.

Its too late to put the genie back into the bottle.
The public knows that McCain is now desperate.

Ya know whats funny, notice how we are not hearing the pundits ask why isnt BO up double digits anymore? its because he is up by double digits. The new Newsweek poll has BO up by 11.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/163339

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{{{{swoon!}}}}

I know it may be a whacko poll, but Insider Adv says Obama just 3 points behind in GA.

Thanks for saying President Obama, moron.
But what is this oxymoronic: keep "ferocity...be respectful"? Or, show your violent clan behavior in a more disguised form so that you can circumvent the criminal law? Or, is it simply the fear of backlash HATE incitement?

He's also within three points in the latest poll out of Georgia. McCain has plenty of time left to demonstrate whether or not he still has a little decency and integrity. Time will tell.

Secret Service talked to him. He is just a Senator and he is endangering the life of their charge as well as their lives since they are guarding Barack.

They do not stand for it, ever.

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Thank you! That's just exactly what I think.

Agreed. He was given a choice - stop this madness or end up in the slammer.

The walkback underscores the "erratic" theme that the Obama camp has been emphasizing. McCain now looks like pansy to his most rabid followers. His campaign has no idea what to do.

I actually gave McCain a hard look after the FISA thing. He screwed-up by letting these roided-up roves advise him. Disgraceful. Bad career move. Never look at him the same.

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well, good for John McCain for finally saying something. It is disappointing that he doesn't have the instincts of decency to nip this sort of thing in the bud when it happens initially but at least someone in his campaign has been able to let him know he should deal with it. Tena is probably right, it was likely the Secret Service.

I'm dumbfounded by the fact that election day is less than 4 weeks away and McCain is out trying to fire up the base while Obama, having his base locked in, is out attracting independents. McCain has no message left. None. The stuff that is working he stole from Obama.

the folks at his rallies look so desperate and out of touch.

here is a bit of optimism for you though; I think many of the people who think Obama is a terrorist will come around in his first year of being president. Sure, the Rush Limbaughs of the world will try to keep the fire burning but their audience will diminish the more they get to know Obama.

I think you're giving McCain too much credit. If his attacks had been polling well, he would have ramped them up.

I agree. He was gambling, but lost again, as usual.

and note that now people like Cox at Time are making him out to be a hero for doing this (the old McCain is back). This is of his own making he is doing what he needs to do not being a hero. Gosh are these people that pathetic? They just want to see McCain as a great guy no matter what?

In the Daily Howler, Somerby says that the press corps has written itself a novel about McCain:

We’re not quite sure what made the press think they’d met the most wonderful man; it seemed to involve the stories he told them about his stripper ex-girl friend. (And about that model in Rio. And let’s not forget the free donuts!) But they had their novel—a novel they loved—and they recite it, right to this day. They insist that they met the most wonderful man. And that he’s changed, as men will.

Or, according to Cox at Time, the old McCain is back. Yes, the press just want to see McCain as a great guy no matter what, otherwise they'll have to admit that they both enabled and were gulled by McCain.

So is the campaign pulling all of the Ayers' crap? Abandoning the whole "Who is Barack Obama?" bullshit? Or is this just another stunt?

And can I say how unbelievable UNDISCIPLINED the McCain camp is? What exactly is there message? They were DEFENDING this shit a couple of hours ago, now McCain's walking it back. WTF?!!?!?

Erratic.

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Confused.  Out of touch.

Someone tell the "Straight Talk Express" their left blinker is on.

They must be receiving quite a backlash. It is about time. Where is the MSM weighing in on this.

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he's been calling obama a terrorist(by implication and innuendo) for a week now but he wants to be "respectful"?

wtf? talk about erratic leadership.

his campaign is all over the map, not only on this but on the economy too.

History won't be as generous to forgive this scum. You cannot retract what you spew out of that filthy mouth.
The same intolerance could be detected with a couple of us here who are reckless to use "pussy" or "pansy" without realizing their ramifications.

Being away for few hours, I just want to make a point on attacking Michelle. When I read the thread, the first thing that came to my mind was: The New Yorker Cover.

Life imitates art.

McNasty campaign are going to the unthinkable extreme and in hindsight New Yorker cover was brilliant in its message.

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My husband totally agrees with you - he thought that cover was a brilliant satire on what the idiots were saying.

My father is a federal judge in Alabama. One day one of the security guards said to him, "I never heard of The New Yorker and I never read it, but they got it right with that cover."

Besides the fact that the guy missed the satire completely, the incident showed that in many parts of the country, a white person can approach another white person and generally assume they share the Obama-as-terrorist view.


He's about as enthusiastic in the first clip as Bart Simpson having to write on the blackboard, "I will not call Obama a terrorist. I will no call Obama a terrorist..."

Sounded like more cheers than boos at the end of the second clip as he's calling for his supporters to be respectful. If so, that's actually a hopeful sign.

Mark Anthony to the rabble:

"I will not do them wrong; I rather choose
To wrong the dead, to wrong myself and you,
Than I will wrong such honorable men."

[Later that day]

Plebs arise to "speak, strike, redress!" Mayhem and murder ensue.

Methinks it is a sucker punch!

You know, I don't think it was easy for McCain to say keep the peace to this crowd.

Let's stop a moment and acknowledge that this was good, that this is what we've wanted him to do and what he needed to do.

We don't need to spit on McCain over this, or else it's really just more of the same. And the thing about Obama that I value perhaps above all else, is that he does not seem petty and he doesn't belittle the efforts of others. Let's honor that.

I'm not about to spit on McCain for what he said today, but neither will I jump to my feet and applaud him for doing what any half-sentient being with a basic moral sense should have done the first time he had an opportunity.

Reading now that he just had to snatch the mike out of the hands of a woman who was calling Obama "an Arab terrorist", I can only say that this is a situation he has created, and I don't have an ounce of sympathy for the man as he goes down in flames in the eyes of that most woeful part of the electorate with which he cast his lot.

That was eloquent. Nice writing.

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Hell neither do I nor do I disagree one bit with your entire comment.

That's why I think the Secret Service talked to him -

Ask yourselves - would McLame have really done this if he hadn't been forced to?

I honestly don't know what to think. If you believe (as I no longer do, frankly) that this is a man of some bedrock decency, then it's possible he's come to his senses, seen just how low a level everything has descended to, and decided to try to halt the trajectory of it (to no avail, if the crowd response is a realiable indicator). If that's the case, then he's onle doing what he should have done a week ago when Gov. Palin started this extremely ugly ball rolling.

But if you believe (as I do) that this man is beyond redemption, then it's obvious he's been compelled against his instincts, probably by the Secret Service, to take this course, then I'd say he deserves the backlash from his pitiable supporters all the more richly.

I have an even more pressing (if rhetorical) question:

Why is my avatar changing with every comment I post??

I don't know but I miss the banjo.

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I believe that's a guitar that Woody's playing there.

That certainly is a guitar he's playing and he's singing the Sarah Palin blues.

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weeeooooo! weeeeeooooo!

poltergeists! They finally left my car's electrical system and decided to inhabit the board.

You step in the stream
But the water has moved on
Your avatar is not here

Woody works for me!

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Third option: They decided their hate-baiting rhetoric was doing them more harm than good.

Maybe he was "forced to" do so by some bad polling numbers.

Amen.

Co-sign. Why the fuck should we be applauding what he should've done before? Let the little shit enjoy his marginalization and, just for the record Johnny- the history books will NOT be kind to you.

As the kids say nowdays, "sucks to be you".

I agree. Let's give the man some props for pushing back against the absurd. I think he's got the tiger by the tail and has no idea what to do with it. He is NOT enjoying the escalation. It's the sign of a society crumbling.

Palin, on the other hand, LOVES IT!!! Buyer beware! McCain will be the 3rd victim of this conniving serpent, Palin. First she took out her mayor, who brought her onto the city council, then she took out the governor who brought her to Juneau. Now she'll get McCain. Poor guy's been abused his entire life, filthy rich, but miserable.

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What a switch.

I thought I knew John McCain.

But now I'm not so sure.

Does anybody know who John McCain REALLY is?

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No.

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McCain doesn't run his campaign, the Rove wing of the GOP does.

Palin's appearances in places like Minnesota and California indicate that the GOP understands they will lose the presidency and is trying desperately to salvage what down ticket races they can by keeping the base fanatically motivated.

I think that's true, but it raises an interesting question (to me at least):

We all know that John McCain had barely heard of Sarah Palin prior to putting her on the ticket (that much is clear), but given the astonishing ease with which the neocons around McCain wound her up and had her execute these Rovian campaign strategems, I wonder if she wasn't on their radar somewhat longer than we've been led to believe. Did they, in fact, have her in mind for this all along?

Not saying they did; not saying they didn't. But in light of the notion advanced by some that she is, in spirit if not in fact, the true head of the ticket, it's something to think about.

I agree with Tena.

Probably SS said STFU.

Also, Interesting he said Don't be scared of Obama being the next POTUS. He couldn't look up, when he said that.

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Cause they made him face the fact that Obama was going to be the next president and he was stirring the "a" word.

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McCain was shaking and practically dissembling when he was saying Obama is a "decent man". his jaw clenched so tight it's a wonder he got the words out.He would not even look out at the crowd.

Exactly. His body language was very telling. Whether SS or bad polls, he was clearly doing it against his will.

I've never seen him look directly at ANYBODY.

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Probably SS said STFU.

Thanks for the permission to type SS.  Typing Secret Service over and over was getting tiring, but that inner repulsion was just too hard to overcome all by myself :-)

Yeah, just don't say Obama is under the protection of the SS any time soon.


Alternatively we could just agree that SS means Secret Service and if we want to say Schutstaffel we'll say schutstaffel.

Lou Dobbs just played these clips and said he thought McCain handled it with grace...

Just pure delusional bs.

McCain and & Palin are stoking these dangerous flames, now one of them wants to give the appearance that he's trying to put them out. More Rovian slight of hand (create a distraction so you can later take credit for minimizing the distraction).

Why does this sound, to my ears, like narrative an attorney would insist on? Has McCain been "talked to?"

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I think the Secret Service speculation is probably correct. They're guarding McCain as well as Obama, and they take that job very seriously.

When John Stewart interviewed Michelle Obama, he said "Sarah Palin wants to know who you are. Do you ever think, who are YOU?"

Sarah Palin has been on the campaign trail 6 weeks. The Obamas have been on the campaign trail 20 months.

People who have known John McCain most of his career don't recognize him.

Watching McSame tell the person not to be afraid of an Obama presidency, I could tell it pained him to say it. He couldn't even look the person he was speaking to in the eye. His negatives is the only reason he's spoken up now.

Is the Troopergate report going to be released tonight?

I wish I knew. It was supposed to be out today, then there were slight murmurs about Repubs up there trying to suppress the release (treacherous bastids!). Haven't heard anything since.

I have little doubt, no matter what happens, its conclusions will leak all over the place. Far as Troopergate goes, that might be the best we'll have to look forward to in the coming days.

I just read that they need 8 votes from the 14 member Legislative Council to release the report to the public....only 11 members are present at the meeting today. The Alaska Daily News website is speculating that they may not have enough votes to release it....

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O that was a cute trick, innit?

The vote is just about to start.

This is the equivalent of McCain trying to stomp out a flaming bag of shit on his doorstep.

He may have put out the flames, but in the end, he's left with a stinking pair of loafers.

Perfect!

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After telling those damn kids to get off his lawn.

I agree, I think its good that McCain asked them to knock it off. I think he knows he is going to lose and wants to try to retain some of his reputation and keep some sense of honor.
I'll give him that if he keeps it up.

I was very depressed reading about the vitriol coming form the rallies and I doubt Palin will dial it down, but again I'm glad McCain did and I'll take it at face value that he means it.

Problem is, as someone above mentioned, the genie is out of the bottle.

And it should not excape anyone that the apologists for the McCain campaign mention people yelled terrible things at Bush this time in 2004 too.

Bush is not a black man, challenging to become the most powerful man in the world during a "global financial crisis" that could become a full blown depression.

And I'm sorry to say it's a lot easier for me to imagine some kook with a sniper rifle (hello Denver) going for the "Terrorist Muslim" that unfairly wormed his way into power, then doing it the same to a white guy, who many say did exactly that eight years ago
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I always had, as many do I suspect, that little niggle in the back of my mind that there are many people out who REFUSE to have a black man as their president, and who will do what it takes to stop it, and this week, it seems more likely it'll be attempted.

So yes, I applaud any thing McCain does to dial the rhetoric down.

i didn't read the comments, and i'm sure someone else said this.

but fuck mccain, and fuck him with a red hot branding iron. i'm with joe klein: shove your fucking apology (though this isn't really an apology) up your ass, douchebag.

mccain is a dishonorable, disrespectful piece of shit. he's incited near riots, he's gone after michelle, he's lied his fucking ass off. he has no honor, nor did he ever.

he is treating voters like an abusive husband treats his wife. he acts like a maniacal bully and tortures her, makes her feel terrible about herself, and it makes him feel better about himself. then when she starts to leave, it's "i love you baby, don't leave me."

well, fuck you asshole. i'm taking the kids, and getting the fuck out. take it up with my lawyer and cops, dick.

Jesus.

(You said it, man. Nobody fucks with the Jesus/).

Hm. Here's the thing about Jesus: Jesus loves you, but His dad will kick your fucking ass.

BTW, the troopergate report is out and it's fucking BAD. See MSNBC, like now.

Jesus loves you, but His dad will kick your fucking ass.

The abridged version of the old and new testaments.

Well gosh Nova, let it out! Feel like that sometimes myself. And the concept of McCain treating US like an abusive husband treats his wife is well worth thinking about.

Republicans have acknowledged that McCain has lost the race. They want to ensure that he doesn't take the rest of the Republicans, running for in their own races, with him.

I think he's received backlash on many fronts. His pals from the press are warning him that this story is going to implode on him, his party is disgusted with him, Independents are fleeing and the Secret Service has issued a warning. Plus 2000 educators issued a statement in support of Ayers today.

OT: SurveyUSA has Obama up +13 in Iowa and yet McCain is traveling there (supposedly) this weekend because his internal numbers show it to be low single digits.

And the Insider Advantage numbers in Georgia make me think that McCain's base strategy is all about avoiding a landslide blowout and not winning the election. I believe the writing is on the proverbial wall and McCain is reading it loud and clear.

McCain's an opportunist. He saw that this shit was getting out of control and knew it was bad for his reputation and poll numbers.

He wouldn't have done it if he were getting such backlash.

Now the media will say what a great man he is. FUCK HIM. He needs to own what he started.

Oh yes, and since money talks, perhaps the Annenbergs don't appreciate their name all over the media in connection with this story.

From the newsweek poll
Fav to Unfav
Obama +24
Biden +28
McCain +6
Palin +4

Excellent.

Also, by saying Preside BO, McCain perhaps is the first candidate in history to concede before the first tuesday of Nov.

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I noticed that, too.

;)

he really did whether he meant to or not.

From the same News Week poll: Obama "now leads McCain among both men (54 percent to 40 percent) and women (50 percent to 41 percent). He now wins every age group of voters—including those over 65 years of age, who back him over McCain 49 to 43 percent. Supporters of Hillary Clinton, as many as a fifth of whom had at one point told pollsters they'd support McCain over Obama, now back the Democratic nominee 88 percent to 7 percent."

Miss Runner-up is bus-touring through West Virginia this Sunday, to be Runner-up once again on Nov. 4.
It turns out ARG's WV poll that showed Obama leading by 8 points was not totally baseless.

On the NBC nightly news, after discussing Ayres, they brought up the "problems" with ACORN. Sweet Jesus I'm sick of these people.

I want to puke.

You know what, I'm not even trying to get into the muck and mire or whether this was a sincere gesture by John McCain or not. I could give a flying fuck. I'm just glad that he said it in terms of Obama's safety, hopefully this can calm some of his foaming-mouthed animals down. That's all I care about.

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Here here!

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McCain's calls for respect and decency run contrary to his campaign's talking points.

Seems to me you can approach the the apparent disconnect between McCain and his campaign by assuming he wants it both ways; i.e., he takes the high road while his campaign takes the low road.

Less complex: McCain is a desperate, unprincipled scumbag...emphasis on both the desperation and the lack of moral principle.

From the bastion of capitalism, the Wall Street Journal:

Top McCain campaign officials are grappling with how far to go with negative attacks on Sen. Barack Obama in the final weeks of what is turning into a come-from-behind effort.

Sen. John McCain has allowed a series of increasingly harsh broadsides in new campaign ads and in speeches by his wife, Cindy, and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin. But the Arizona Republican has rejected pleas from some advisers to launch attacks focusing on Sen. Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Some McCain campaign officials are becoming concerned about the hostility that attacks against Sen. Obama are whipping up among Republican supporters.

Too little too late.

Not enough Republicans are officially denouncing these dangerous tactics.

McCain'll find out you can't lead a mob, you can only run in front of it -- until you trip, that is.

http://loomisnews.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/more-republicans-for-obama-john-mccain-is-not-a-principled-man/

I wonder if we will ever know? Hope so. I have no doubt that, as stated above, the Sec Service had a role in this - a big one. (May even have pointed out that a lot of the anger was starting to be at *him* for not going after 'the terrorist' more forcefully and that he himself could be in danger. If you were a wing-nut and wanted Obama attacked again and again, wouldn't you get impatient to see Palin in the lead?)

But I don't think Sec. Serv would have insisted on the "you don't have to be afraid if he is President" bit. Somehow I get an image of multiple Senators, some Reps and even some Dems (maybe Biden and Kerry even, Teddy?), having a little 'heart to heart' along the lines of "Obama's going to win. You're going to want to come back to the Senate. And you're going to want us to give you the time of day, aren't you? Well, here's how you can assure that happening...." ------- And to give him some credit, I don't imagine that sort of approach (if it happened) would be too hard for him to go along with because he has treasured his connections and importance and bi-partisan flair. ----------- Trouble is, when it's the Steve Schmidts talking to him, he goes along with them too! But only because they supposedly held the magic prize: victory and the Oval Office. If he was convinced that he really IS going to lose, then he'd start looking ahead to the best case scenario for the future.

Which, if I'm at all right, leaves the big questions: Is Schmidt and the rest of the campaign going to go along with this? Is Palin going to go along with this? Will McCain be able to stay on this new track once the people who pushed him there (whoever they may have been) aren't over his shoulder applying pressure?

What is so ironic. Given how hard it has been for Obama to get a commanding lead despite all the advantages .... if McCain had just persevered and gone the respectable, independent way he wanted to initially and not hired Schmidt & Co., gotten a sensible and reasonable VP candidate (Pawlenty perhaps) ... who knows? The same way you wonder what the outcome would have been if Hillary had taken the reins in her campaign earlier on and been, from the beginning, the person she was those last couple of months.

It's almost spooky the number of opponents who have self-immolated in one way or another. TWO Republican Senate prospects, Alan Keyes (who was born self-immolating, I think), Hillary, Edwards (albeit a bit late), and now it seems McCain. Spooky.

I don't think anyone will give McCain the "time of day" as you call it anyway. But, who knows..?LOL!

I think McCain would've gone really negative no matter who the Democratic candidtate was-look at who he hired...

Thing is, if he'd picked practically anyone other that Palin and stuck to the issues, he might be alot closer than he is now.

Which just leads me to to think he's either not right in the head or someone/s *got* to him.

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Has he taken down the ads yet ? no
If this is a sincere attempt to recoil the violent audience responses, he will hold a big presser with Palin and Cindy and make a clear statement and remove the ads.

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Trouble is, when it's the Steve Schmidts talking to him, he goes along with them too!

Yep.  McSame has a reputation of going along with whoever talked to him on his cellphone last.  That's why they took it away from him.

I'm gonna go ahead and give credit where credit is due here. Whatever the motives, he told the freepers to cool it, and that's something he hasn't done since 2002. He just earned major brownie points with me.

I still think his policies are disastrous, of course.

you and the media.

next time he smacks you around, calls you a cunt, and tells you he only married you so he'd have a chance to fuck your sister, don't complain.

seriously, battered wife syndrome.

For God's sake, folks, don't let the Republicans outclass you!

I've been as angry about McCain's recklessness as anyone, but it would be hard for him to have done a better job, in a single event, than he does here. And I don't give a damn why he did it. I just wanted him to do the right thing, and he did.

Turns out McCain did have enough sorry scraps of virtue to face down his crowd. (A lot braver than he's been for many months, and much braver than the "heroism" and "strength" that his jackass questioner wants him to project by "fighting" in the debate.)

As for the booing: that is unfortunate, but it's not unique. Much saner crowds have booed during heated presidential campaigns, especially when their candidate was conceding (I think we heard some of that in this year's primaries), and the candidate traditionally uses that moment to calm them down lecture them on the American way. McCain should have done it two days ago, but I'm glad to hear him doing it.

And notice that he turns the boo into cheers: plenty of people in his crowd wanted him to do the right thing, and he gave them a chance to be louder than the would-be lynchers in the crowd. I call that a happy ending.

do you think for ONE MINUTE that if the polls had shown a 5 point bounce in the last two days, he'd have done the same thing?

a person with a moral compass would have said something IMMEDIATELY. even if he didn't hear it at the rallies, he damned sure heard it on the news over the last couple days. for crying out loud, his flacks were blaming obama for being insensitive for thinking "kill him" is an inappropriate sentiment.

he only did it because it didn't work in the polls.

i might have given him the benefit of the doubt in 2000. but he's earned my rejection of this as nothing more than YET ANOTHER calculated, political stunt.

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And I really resent the implication that any Republican could ever outclass any one of us here.

Ever.

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Abraham Lincoln might outclass me!

Plu-eeze, he only did it because the SS got on him and that is the ONLY reason. That creep McCain has a history of being an asshole then after the situation is all over he apoligizes - Keating 5 is one and there have been others. I did think this guy was bad news but I just keep thinking about him leaving that carrier with the reporter. No respect called for beyond that given to any creature breathing air on this earth and the emphasis is on CREATURE.

I don't think even Rove is really involved in this aspect of McCain's campaign anymore - McCain is under the spell of a demonic Palin. That Kenyan Pastor Muthee's exorcism really didn't work on her, did it? This period of relative calm I feel will be very short-lived and perhaps was induced by some new meds as well as the Secret Service. Palin, I read, was not at the rally today.

Their campaign is a complete failure (federal money no less). The local law enforcement (police, fire, paramedics) should BILL the campaign for all the extra security they will have to provide for any McCain / Palin events going forward. It will be a miracle if there is not violence.

This is all well and good (common decency! wow!) but the problem is, he's already let the evil out of the bottle.

I just came back from phone banking for Jeff Merkley/Obama here in Portland and I had not one, but two older female voters tell me flat out that "Obama is a terrorist." Last week, before this crap at the McCain/Palin rallies, they probably would have said they "didn't trust him" or something, but now thanks to the ads and campaign rhetoric, these deluded folks have taken their ignorance to a whole new level. It's really scary.

The audience booed him when he suggested to cool it a bit.

Think about that; the GOP candidate for president is at odds with his own audience now that they have been whipped into a mindless angry mob.

Watch them turn on him now, because they never really did like him in the first place.

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I've been as angry about McCain's recklessness as anyone, but it would be hard for him to have done a better job, in a single event, than he does here. And I don't give a damn why he did it. I just wanted him to do the right thing, and he did.

O Please!

That's supposed to undo "that one"; not deigning to look at or touch Obama? And spending days stirring up crowds to becoming practically mobs?

Just because he was finally forced, whether by the Secret Service or his falling numbers, to reluctantly say this?

Sorry - no sale.

finally. a voice of reason.

Co-sign.

Who said it undid any of that? Who MENTIONED any of that?

And I'm not selling McCain, I'm hoping for a 400+ EV blowout by Obama. (I will admit that I'm no longer as focused on hounding him from his Senate seat after the election. Now I can wait for his Senate term to be up.)

I said he did the best he could *in a single event*. As far as giving one speech goes, that was the right speech. He needed to cool his lunatic followers down, and he did. Should he have done it earlier? Of course? Are other elements of McCain's campaign despicable?

I think there's plenty to dislike about McCain without piling on in the rare moments when he does the right thing. He'll do something asinine again tomorrow; save your energy for that.

the point is he DIDN'T do the right thing.

look, if you see someone burning on the side of the road, and you say, "fuck him, not my problem," but then, when the guy wanders up on your wooden porch, you finally put the flames out so your log cabin doesn't burn down, you didn't do the right thing.

motives count for something in ethics.

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O well said.

Save it for the values voters.

I don't give two shits about McCain's motives, McCain's soul, or McCain's "character." I wouldn't vote for him if he were Mother Theresa. (You know what? I wouldn't have voted for Mother Theresa either. I'm pro-choice.)

Let me make it very clear:

I WANT PEOPLE NOT TO GET KILLED.

Also, I want people not to get maimed. And I want McCain and Palin to lose.

If all I wanted was for McCain and Palin to lose, I would have been delighted for them to keep behaving like a lynch mob, because it loses them votes. But I have been very, very frightened that their mob of Nimrods will hurt someone: attack an Obama canvassing team, set fire to an Acorn office, maybe kill some unfortunate soul who looks enough like an "Arab" to them. We've gotten much, much too close to that over the past few days.

This would be a very bad thing.

McCain coming around, for *any( reason, makes that less likely to happen.

And I am glad, as far as that goes. Because people are LESS LIKELY TO GET KILLED. I'm a simple person, really.

I don't care how it reflects on McCain's "character." "Character" is for screenplay workshop. And I don't care if it moves two swing voters in deepest Alabama off the fence, because I don't expect this move to help McCain either.

But if in your scale of values, the question of whether or not people are hurt or killed is less important than the question of whether or not you can indulge yourself in completely hating McCain or just mostly hating McCain: well, enjoy your values, voter.

look, i'm not saying i wish he DIDN'T try to stem the tide of hate and violence.

what i'm saying is, stop assigning some kind of moral value to his act. because if there IS any such value to it, it's preceded by a minus sign.

just like extinguishing the flaming man on your porch -- it's "good" that the guy isn't going to die (hopefully), but it doesn't make the homeowner a GOOD ACTOR.

in sum: mccain is fecal matter. still.

p.s. i'm canvassing for obama tomorrow in northern virginia, so i share your hope that canvassers don't get maimed or killed. :)

Why the interest in policing my moral judgments?

Why tell me how to assign moral value?

I gave him pretty grudging credit for a single act, without extending that credit to another act. I think the phrase "sorry scraps" isn't overly indulgent.

I was also pretty clear that I extended whatever credit only to the single speech.

(And I was ranting in a blog post about his misdeeds about twelve hours earlier, talking about the need to drive him out of public life if anyone came to harm.)

Why the need to shout down anyone who gives even a fraction of fleeting and grudging respect to the "other side?"

Why the need to ascribe vicious motives to all of the "other side's" acts?

Why make claims about secret meetings, unknown to the public? Why claim that McCain is not who he seems?

If I were interested in that kind of partisan policing of my thoughts, I would be at a Palin rally.

Good luck canvassing. Keep up that good work.

i understand your point of view, and it's good that he at least said something even if he was forced to. but it's not exactly much good if he keeps running the ads and holding rallies where he insinuates that obama and now michelle have terrorist ties and what not, that's what is fueling the crazy crap we've seen & still poses a threat to obama's safety. until he tones that other stuff down, i'm not breaking out the applause. saying this out of one side of his mouth while he continues to encourage the same sentiments out of the other side, leaves things exactly where they were this morning.

OT: I hope Powell's testimony at Stevens' trial today will end the chatter of people hoping he'll endorse Obama.

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I started to post something about that - I mean to tell you - will people get it now? Powell is nothing more than a useful idiot for Republicans.

He's an empty uniform.

Jeez Louise = a character witness for Ted Stevens? Ted Stevens?

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His son Michael sure fucked us over at the FCC.

Powell is voting for Obama in the privacy of the booth for sure. 80% of this is because Obama is black. Would he actually be publically praising HRC or Chris Dodd if they got they nom? Fat chance. He's caught up by the thought of a black Prez. Nothing more, nothing less. He's still a dick. He's still a liar.

No shit, I so agree. Powell is a scumbag. 'Bout time people realized it.

Yay. He said the right thing. Cue MSM swooning.

Yup. As if all those same smear ads weren't being aired here and there.

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Right now, MSNBC is doing a report on all this and they aren't swooning - it's a live news report and as they've said, all day long until this statement, McLame was on the attack.

This report isn't cutting him slack - for what you think that's worth.

Not saying he hasn't exceeded his limit on a bunch of his MSM credit cards. But I guarentee you Roger Simon will be getting all maudlin and teary-eyed over this as he croons over return of the Good and Honorable John McCain they he knew and loved in that special way that only two men can know. Broder too. Wouldn't be surprised to see Cohen jump back on the tire swing either.

Sorry for the nasty when he's apparently doing the right thing, but over and over again, McCain's people say "oh, we're not going to do atrocious thing X" and then the next day--or even later the same day--there's some surrogate or Palin herself doing it. Or, worse, we get "okay, we were doing atrocious thing X, but now we're stopping," then, next day, there they are doing it again.

Sorry, need to see some deeds to go with these words, color me cynical. Until then, my impression is that he's saying to a) to CYA in case some supporter pulls a gun off the rack in the pickup and gets stupid with it, b) because the Secret Service, or high ranking Republicans, or both, did have that little talk with him, c) becuase the media coverage of the mob scenes was getting ugly, and, d) above all, so he won't look like a coward when he doesn't raise it to Obama's face in the next debate.

Even money, fifteen seconds after the debate, it all starts up again.

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I don't disagree with that at all.

But something just happened - it was very weird. Whatever that was that McLame just went through with those very odd people was very weird and I think he really did just tell them that Obama is president.

Those voters want a "fierce fight" in the next debates?

I wish McCain would give them what they wanted. I wish he would stand up in front of Obama and say, "You are a terrorist sympathizer."

I would love to see the looks on the faces of those people who want McCain to go there when they realize that the rest of the country is horrified and disgusted. When they realize that they are the ones who are out of step with the majority.

It will feed their inferiority complex, of course, and no matter how shocked and outraged the rest of the country would be, some deranged fringe type would take as an encouraging sign that Obama must be stopped at any cost. Which is why I'm glad McCain is reigning them in, whether or not I think it's geniune, and I don't. Watch McCain's body language, both here and in the debates: he holds Obama in contempt.

But it might be worth it to see the looks on those faces...

I completely agree. Apparently they haven't been paying attention. Everytime he tries to be "strong", Obama overpowers him. These people can't believe that a Dem is being stronger than a Rep, and they're going to totally blame McCain - even though WE know Obama is just that good of a candidate.

That was a pretty remarkable video.

What I heard above all else were McCain supporters who have basically accepted the fact that Obama is going to win the election. They have been stirred up into such a frenzy with all the lies that they are legitimately scared of this possibility and are looking to McCain for reassurance.

"Please Daddy, tell us it will be OK."

I tell you, it sounds to me like McCain is throwing in the towel.