McCain: If I Bring Up Ayers At Debate, It Will Be Obama's Fault
In an interview that John McCain gave to local radio in St. Louis, McCain says that he was "astonished" to hear Barack Obama say recently that he was reluctant to bring up Ayers to Obama's face, and promises that he'll raise the subject at tomorrow's debate.
The key news in the interview -- which was flagged by Mark Halperin and which you can listen to here -- is that McCain is already laying the groundwork to blame Obama for his apparent decision to confront Obama over Ayers tomorrow.
Asked by his radio host if he'll bring up the former Weatherman, McCain says:
"Oh, yeah. Y'know, I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised for me to have the guts to do that, because the fact is that the question didn't come up in that fashion. So, y'know, and I think he's probably ensured that it will come up this time. And, look Mark, it's not that I give a damn about some old washed-up terrorist..."
It's Obama who has "probably ensured" that McCain will bring up Ayers. What's so lovely about this is that McCain is now portraying his apparent decision to hit on the Ayers association as driven by a need to defend his honor.
You see, McCain wouldn't have brought it up, but Obama questioned his manhood, so he's now forced to overcome his reluctance to talk about Ayers in order to defend himself. It's the old warrior's code that's making him do it.















Obama: 'I got him right where I want him...'
October 14, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hook, line, sinker.
October 14, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here comes "Top Gun" McCain swooping in for the attack... so why are his co-pilots all readying their parachutes?
If only McCain's pappy and grand pappy were still around to take his crashing campaign and promote it to higher office...
October 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I propose a new name for McCain's career, both as a Navy pilot where he crashed three planes not counting the time he was shot down and only managed to keep his wings due to nepotism, and his Senate career including the Keating Five scandal which was the largest financial meltdown in recent US history prior to the present one, and his multiple failed runs for President.
McFlaming Wreck.
October 14, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
People want to hear about Ayers about as much as a drowning man want to hear about the merits of a low cholesterol diet...
Obama, we trust, should fire back about William Timmon, McCains transition chief, and his ties to Saddam. Or McCain being on the board with General Singlaub and his right-wing-death-squad-terrrorists during the Iran-Contra affair. Or maybe just bring up McCain being part of the Keating Five and the biggest taxpayer bailout (a mere 180 Billion) before this current bailout. So many REAL bad associations it will be hard for Obama to pick just a few to mention...
October 14, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Iam sure Obama is more then ready to counter attack anything McCain tosses at him, and McCain will look small for attacking Obama over this while Obama is talking about J O B S.
October 14, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. You just know Obama has a devastating, prepared response. Unfortunately for McWorse, he has no choice but to step into the trap. His base won't forgive him if he doesn't go there.
October 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
The whole problem with this situation is the concept of "No Choice"... We all make choices. We don't get to make bad choices and then later, when we're dealing with the consequences, pretend as though we never had a choice to begin with. I like cheeseburgers and beer more than I like salads and soy milk. I like watching sports more than I like playing them. But I choose what I eat and I choose my level of activity. I can't get to the point where I'm so ginormous that I have to be lifted out of my house with a crane and then say "I have no choice". The one time you don't have a choice can't obscure the 1,000 other choices you made...
The guy is impulsive. He has a staggering level of overconfidence and a stunning inability to fundamentally alter his behavior in the face of the consequences of poor planning and a lack of forethought. During the 2nd debate, McCain made the decision to jump in and act smug when Obama said something apparently complimentary about him. What's sad is that it wasn't even a clevely disquised gambit. The guy is a Harvard lawyer. OF COURSE HE'S BAITING YOU!!! (Don't get me wrong, I loved it, but still...)
McCain has spent the entire general election pandering to his base. That's a choice. But when you're in an election where your base largely hates you and is so much smaller to begin with than your opponent, it's a stupid choice. When a guy has spent 18 months casually thrashing some of the toughest, oldest kids on the playground, you can't get baited into meeting him by the flag pole. I don't care what he says about your mom or your manhood or your mettle, You can't do it. It's a choice, but it's a bad choice. One of the fundamental principles of litigation is never asking a question of a witness if you don't know the answer. Does anybody seriously think Obama wasn't ready for McCain to bring up Ayers during the FIRST debate? Of course Obama wants McCain to bring it up... He wouldn't have baited him if he didn't want it to happen. Of course Obama wants Schieffer to bring it up if McCain doesn't. Bob
October 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
How quaint. You are advocating personal responsibility, but we all know that's not a Republican value.
October 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not saying McWorse didn't make his own bed; merely that Obama has expertly maneuvered him to lie in it. McCain can complain all he wants about how Obama made him go there. No one buys that framing. Sane people know McCain has a choice every moment he opens his mouth - but his base is not rational and McCain needs his base. It's like watching Bobby Fisher play Homer Simpson.
October 14, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's the same old song" --
Please. Obama didn't "expertly" anything. He simply called McSlimer a coward, and hothead McSlimer rose to the challenge -- call it "bait" if you want; Obama didn't have to be "expert" or "manoever" or anything of the kind. One needn't be "expert" to call a Republican/McSlimer bluff of macho heroism for a simple and obvious reason:
Republicans/McSlimer WANT their bluffs called so then they can change the subject to whining about being a victim as excuse to name-call.
October 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You have a choice. You don't have a good choice, but you have a choice."
(Points for anyone who can finish that quote and legitimately apply it to McCain-Palin; I couldn't, much though I wanted to.)
It's all *your* fault is the excuse of every wrongdoer since Cain, who wouldn't have had to do anything if Abel hadn't been sucking up to God with that garden of his.
October 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You have a choice. You don't have a good choice, but you have a choice."
(Points for anyone who can finish that quote and legitimately apply it to McCain-Palin; I couldn't, much though I wanted to.)
It's all *your* fault is the excuse of every wrongdoer since Cain, who wouldn't have had to do anything if Abel hadn't been sucking up to God with that garden of his.
October 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tying it to McPAlin:
I thought it was because Adam and Eve would lend the family dinosaur to Abel but not to [Mc]Cane because [Mc]Cane crashed it every time he tried to pick up a local sweet young heiress.
October 15, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's sad is that it wasn't even a clevely disquised gambit. The guy is a Harvard lawyer. OF COURSE HE'S BAITING YOU!!!
The thing I remember most from the Republican primary debates is John McCain's despicable mischaracterization of Mitt Romney's stance on (if I remember correctly) timetables for leaving Iraq. McCain likes to talk about being a fighter, but when it comes to actually saying something to a person's face he can't do it without becoming twitchy, uncomfortable, and petulant. I don't think it's the confrontation he can't abide, so much as the having to control himself. The end result is McCain looking ill-at-ease in his own tough-guy skin.
Though he was right that McCain was being mendacious, Romney sort of hyperventilated over it and failed to deflect McCain's nonsense. I think Obama is too agile to be flustered to that degree. Nobody but McCain's base is buying the Ayers argument, so harping on it will only alienate the independents he needs, especially if he is as sinister and pugnacious as he was in the Romney episode.
October 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama: 'I got him right where I want him...'
October 14, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if this is just some ploy to make it news and get the moderator to ask about it thus giving Mccain cover to bash obama? Otherwise it would seem very bizzare to warn your opponent ahead of time...
October 14, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're probably right. McCain doesn't want to have to deal with the 'liberal media' criticizing him for bringing up the distraction politics (Ayers, Wright, et al).
By saying this, he's trying to absolve himself of any wrongdoing in directing the conversation to that of... well... stupid sh*t.
As long as Obama keeps the conversation -- both in the debate and on the campaign trail -- about the economy, he can't lose.
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October 14, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Control the media by getting them to discuss your outlandish points and forget about theirs.
October 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
McLame has run a campaign based on deniability, so why should this be any different?
Unfortunately for McCain, if guilt-by-association comes up, the citizenry could easily be treated to the spectacle of large-scale mudslinging: Ayers / Wright on one side, Keating Five / Phil Gramm / Alaska secessionists on the other.
I think, hell I *know* Obama has more class than that, but if came down to the mud pit, I have no doubt he'd be the one who walked away looking presidential.
October 14, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if the moderator asks Obama about Ayers, Obama should respond, "Since Senator McCain has had so much to say on this issue, I think it's only fair that we give him a chance to make his case. Senator McCain?"
October 14, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect!
So long as he simultaneously reserves 30 seconds for rebutal.
October 15, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, is that guy full of shit. Don't know how else to say this.
October 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
It must go back to potty training....
October 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
...during which his parents were waterboarding him because of temper tantrums...
October 14, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
If only senator Obama would have done those townhalls, then I would not have to make false allegations.
October 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! And these would be the McCain town halls that have morphed into tiny venues for his speechifying. "Not questions, please."
It's all Obama's fault. And Obama's landslide victory in three short weeks will also be all Obama's doing.
PEACE
October 14, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
ACORN!!!1!1!
/devil's advocacy
You just know the right won't be able to accept their loss (assuming they'll lose).
October 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know! Plus, just look at the way he was dressed. Obama was just asking for it.
October 14, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if McCain wears wife-beater undershirts - you know that white ribbed antecedent to the tank top.
He sounds like the kind of abusive asshole who blames his wife and kids for the ass-kicking they're about to get.
Whoa. Cool. I can edit? Nice. Very nice, guys.
October 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Watch "Frontline"'s current "The Choice": aside from the fact it tells McSlimer's false story as if true -- and despite the factual refutations being available in "Rolling Stone" -- they have him reading from his authorbiography about his treatment of his frist wife: he doesn't use the words "whoremaster" and "philanderer" and "adulterer"; instead he has that pseudo-honest/political tone in his voice which you just know is the word of a weasel lying for political gain.
In short: he can't hide those facts so he fakes accepting personal responsibility on the grounds that he WAS immature and selfish. Which is, of course, exactly what he is being while using that ploy.
October 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Watch "Frontline"'s current "The Choice": aside from the fact it tells McSlimer's false story as if true -- and despite the factual refutations being available in "Rolling Stone" -- they have him reading from his authorbiography about his treatment of his frist wife: he doesn't use the words "whoremaster" and "philanderer" and "adulterer"; instead he has that pseudo-honest/political tone in his voice which you just know is the word of a weasel lying for political gain.
In short: he can't hide those facts so he fakes accepting personal responsibility on the grounds that he WAS immature and selfish. Which is, of course, exactly what he is being while using that ploy.
October 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
One can edit?
Wouldn't it make sense to have that as a VISIBLE CHOICE on the "menu" line beneath the post?
October 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
One can edit?
Wouldn't it make sense to have that as a VISIBLE CHOICE on the "menu" line beneath the post?
October 15, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read this differently.
because the fact is that the question didn't come up in that fashion. So, y'know, and I think he's probably ensured that it will come up this time.
I don't read it as McCain saying it's because of Obama that he (McCain) will bring it up.
I read it as him saying it's because of Obama that Ayers will probably come up in a question from Schieffer.
October 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree hyperRevue2.
October 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. And in that case, I hope Schieffer will completely ignore this total non-issue so that McScum will look full of shit with no balls.
Then again, it's Schieffer, I know I'm hoping for an impossible.
October 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think a lot of people will be quite irritated if Schieffer asks a question about Ayers. Obama has been describing his relationship (or lack thereof) with Ayers for at least 6 months... since Hillary brought it up. With all of the economic anxiety right now, I hope Schieffer doesn't stoop to that level. I have always found him to be fairly intelligent.
October 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have never found Schieffer to be anywhere near intelligent, and I am sure he will ask the Ayers question, probably the first question.
"OK, well, I have to ask this. Let me address this to Sen. Obama: How do you justify your close association with an unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers? Sen. McCain, you will have the last word."
Schieffer is a tool.
October 14, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's just wingnut code for: "You have permission from the straight talk dissembler to bring it up, Bob."
October 14, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. McShame's trying to play Schieffer and I bet he's enough of a sucker to fall for it.
October 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus Christ on Oyster Crackers!
Can we put this painfully immature ticket to bed, please? I want this election over with - these bullshit capers are about as irresponsible as it is possible to get when the whole world is hanging by a thread.
McLame is showing us the real McLame - the Real McLame has only paid lip-service to responsibility. He's never taken responsibility for anything in his life.
He's a spoiled brat who is regressing toward his spoiled brat childhood more every day.
October 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, Tena, you always make this site worth reading! :) Thank you.
October 14, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes!
October 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
thank you both.
And back atcha!
October 14, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's highly likely that during the debate tomorrow he will hold his wittle breath until he passes right out.
October 14, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I get to do my part in putting them to bed tomorrow. It is the first day of early voting and I am going to cast my obama ballot in the morning and got to the debate watch party in the evening.
October 14, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is he so stupid to not even realize that Obama wouldn't have said that if he didn't want him to bring it up? My god, if he can be controlled this easily, think about what the leaders of other countries would do to him. This is exactly why he doesn't want to talk to enemies.
October 14, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know we don't want the Iranians or whoever to jerk his chain like Obama is doing.
His chain is so jerkable.
October 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shouldn't McCain be not using words like, "old, washed-up" at this point ?
October 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
And "Ensure", for that matter.
October 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
McBush is all talk. He's falling right into Obama and Biden's trap. Although, its highly unlikely he will bring up Ayers.
October 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
But he's got us right where he wants us, doesn't he?
October 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is this to be a debate or a WWF rasslin' show at the county fair,,,,, or a demo derby ?? Is McCain really Hulk Hogan with more hair,,, won't know till we buys our ticket and takes our ride.
If this posts, it will be the first to go through in days. Glory be, and all that.
October 14, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Next up: Republican leaders send a strongly worded message to Obama asking that he please refrain from working McCain's puppet strings. That is their job, and they want it back.
October 14, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
HA!
October 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funniest thing I've seen all day. Nice one. :)
October 15, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lemme guess... It's because Obama didn't agree to have all those town halls together. What a baby. Ol' Johnny should be glad Obama didn't because Johnny would be down by at least 20 if he did.
October 14, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wingnuts may want to hear more about Ayers but I think the ACORN/vote fraud business is more destructive because it potentially undermines Obama's ligitimacy with low info citizens. And there has not been much high profile pushback against it while the lies have gone mainstream at CNN.
I hope ACORN does come up in the debate and Obama is given a chance to knock this BS down with 50+ million watching.
October 14, 2008 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
ACORN has nothing to do with Obama and investigators have made that clear. ACORN's problem was systemic before Obama go into the race. Do not fall for conservative and media talking points.
October 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bob S seems as though he is in the tank for the Republicans so you can be sure HE will bring it up!
October 14, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, we all know it's double speak. When McLame says "I got em where I want em" that means he's royally screwed. If he says it's Obama's fault, it's his fault.
Of course tomorrow there is a good chance he will correct himself on this position and say "I never said I'd bring up Ayers. I never said that."
October 14, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain must think that when it comes to "manhood" smaller is better...
Somebody send that poor POW a packet of "Extenze"... stat!
October 14, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is this something like McCain throwing a gallon of gas on Obama, striking a match and telling him he shouldn't smoke around volatile fuels he could get burned?
October 14, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I recommend that Barack Obama issue a public statement today to the effect that John McCain isn't man enough to drop his drawers and take a dump on the stage during the debate.
Or maybe he can say that McCain lacks the balls to say "I know nothing about economics" directly to Obama's face.
Obama really owns McCain now.
October 14, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hahahaha! Priceless.
October 14, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why does he keep saying that he doesn't care about "some old washed up terrorist" like Ayers used to pitch for the Black Sox or some damn thing? Just seems like an odd way to frame his argument.
October 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
And he keeps saying he doesn't care about Ayers immediately after directly mentioning Ayers.
Josh had a video up yesterday when the went through that whole tortuous 'associates with an unreprentant terrorist' phrase - and followed directly with 'But I don't care about that.'
Doesn't he even realize how transparent he's being? It's freakin' embarrassing.
October 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
The stupidest thing that came out of the interview was when he states (and I'm paraphrasing) "this is a man and his wife who still want to destroy the country" and then a couple sentences later says "I don't care about some washed up terrorist"...if the guy (and his wife) still want to destroy the country, why isn't McCain concerned about him?
October 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
By now mcShame has so messed himself, that no matter how he tries to spin it, he's a manure machine. And it's manure only that he's spinning.
October 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't until now bought into the idea that McLame's POW experience could possibly make him unfit to serve but now I'm thinking something in him - he was painfully shallow when he started that captivity - something got so twisted up that he literally cannot be in charge. He can't - he's used to being a victim, not the one in charge.
October 14, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mentally, he never left his cell.
October 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Passive aggressive. That's a way of being "in charge" as a victim. And it usually transfers anger to an opponent. But Barack is not playing his game. So mcShame is left to act "as if" he's been attacked... when everyone can see he's the one turning like a top that's out of control.
I would be funny if this were not so deadly serious.
October 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
O god - yes.
Odd to me that being passive-aggressive seems to be seen as something women are guilty of and I've known more men who were passive aggressive; especially with women -
October 14, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's an epithet when used against women, more than anything else. I agree that plenty of men use it. Indeed, once this pattern of coping gets going, it becomes pernicious and very, very resistant to change.
I think mcShame's entire campaign could be viewed this way. He's self-destructing and in the process taking a lot of people down with him, all the while wanting to portray himself as this "victim hero."
Yech!
October 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and I think it's because the men often are thinking to themselves that they are being nice guys by not opposing something they really are opposed to.
Arrrrgh! My husband has been guilty of that until I finally started telling him to knock off the passive aggressive shit and just tell me already!
He's so not verbal. LOL And I live in my head.
October 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Victim-hero.
God that's awesome, Thera. That's practically an archetype.
October 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Archetype.... I wonder what it's symbol would be.
โจ?
โ?
We could have a contest!
October 14, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were to "throw the book" at McCain, I'm sure the one I'd choose would be DSM-IV.
October 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does McCain ever take responsibility for anything?
October 14, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
NO.
October 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
That whole 'he wouldn't say it to my face' dare did come across as very childish. I'm sure Obama has his reasons as usual . . .
October 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't disagree more.
Obama said the right thing - either bring it, or step off, bitch.
He as absolutely right to say it - immature my ass. McLame has been shooting off his mouth nonstop until he's face to face with Barack and then he is cowed.
October 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. I didn't see it as childish at all. It's just ridiculous. McCain keeps talking tough in the days leading up to the debate and then pussies out when it actually gets there. I thought it was a great jab at McCain's manliness, which is just the kind of thing that would really piss McCain off.
October 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. McLame was hiding behind the mendacious low blows of his veep bitch and then allowing the raging hate-filled crowds to fill in the blanks. If he is going to endorse an attack, he should have the balls to say it himself to Barack's face. I think it was wise for Obama to point that out.
October 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't mean they were childish, bad choice of words I guess. So, do you think he should reply in kind, bring up McCain's associations with (links to HuffPo articles) Gordon Liddy or the Todd Palin and the Alaska Independence Party? It will be interesting to see which way he will play it.
October 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did close that tag, honest . . .
October 14, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. Do not reply in kind.
I'd expect him to repeat what he's been saying for the past 6 months on the issue and very quickly pivot to McCain trying to distract because he has no new ideas and bring up the quote about "turning the page on the economy."
October 14, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Do not respond.
Let others go there. Obama can sit quietly refute McCain's BS, and then say, "But it doesn't really matter. My opponent wants to talk about things that went on when I was 8. I want to talk about how we get this country moving, get people employed, keep us safe."
In other words, instead of replying "yeah, well you too", Obama says, "Is that the best you can do, bitch?"
October 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, exactly.
October 14, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you, but whatever he decides will be right.
October 14, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
ACORN is being publicized as a huge issue and it does need pushback.
In the Democratic primary, the attempt to de-legitimize an Obama win was rampant.
When you can't win fairly, accuse your opponent of winning unfairly.
Have any of the networks pushed back on this?
October 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you want to talk about winning unfairly, go back and read up on Bush v. Gore. ACORN is a figment of repug imagination.
October 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
But mom, he made me do it.
October 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain: "The bitch sat me up. I only hit her because she made me do it."
October 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like a few others, I also interpreted the quote to mean "the moderator will probably bring it up", possibly because Obama's campaign made an issue of McCain not mentioning it during the debate. Not that it was a bad thing for Obama - he'll get to run through the whole "why are we arguing about this BS when the economy is in shambles" routine in front of a national audience.
October 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
AFAIC, either get Ayers out there and dispose of this or not.
I'm not worried about Ayers coming up during the debate at all. We're so beyond Ayers at this point - every day Obama's margin of safety gets larger -
This debate is mostly a waste of time now - votes are hardening.
October 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would this one be any different. I did like the VP one tho . . .
October 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
or I should say HALF of the VP one.
October 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is clearly an idiot. He really seems to believe that Obama pushing that line (as well as Biden) was a mistake rather than a thought-out dare. Obama wouldn't have brought it up in the first place if he didn't half expect/hope that McCain would step in it and "say it to his face".
October 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Reminds me of the Rolling Stone interview a few months ago where Obama said "I don't do 'cowed.'"
October 14, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
No. I don't think McCain is an idiot. I think he is fully aware of the risk of taking Obama's bait on this topic. You just don't let your opponent force your move.
McCain's problem is his pride. His warrior psyche makes it very difficult for him to stand down from a challenge. We'll see, but you can bet Obama has played this out for a few moves regardless of how McCain handles it.
October 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I were on Obama's advisory staff, I would hope that Bob (My brother palled around with Bush) Shieffer would ask Obama about his "ties" with William Ayers. Then, I would suggest that Obama thank Shieffer for the question, and say, "John, what do you think about that?"
A political jui-jitsu move, that after McCain sticks both feet in his mouth by attempting to demonize Obama, Obama has the door wide open to trivialize the matter, show everyone how devoid of integrity McCain actually is, and move on to how the nation cares about their home, jobs, retirement and providing access to healthcare and college for their kids.
If McCain refuses to go there, and actually demonstrates that he can stand up to his base (survey says .... highly improbable if not impossible), then, he can thank Sen. McCain for repudiating the campaigning as usual that Sen. McCain's running mate and his supporters were demonstrating at campaign rallies.
It's a no-lose situation for Obama.
October 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I fully agree.
I remember, during the primaries, in a one-to-one interview with Charlie Rose (?), Rose raised the muslim smear and told him that one family he had met, asked him whether Obama was really a muslim.
Obama smiled back and asked him "Did you correct them Charlie?". Of course, Rose was caught unawares and had to answer "Yes, I did" to which Obama replied coolly, "There you, go" with a drop-dead smile.
Obama at his best. BarAikido indeed.
October 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain seems to have lost whatever connection he might once have had with reality.
October 14, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, let's assume that Ayers does come up tomorrow. How does Obama respond?
I don't think that the standard "this is distraction from real issues" argument is going to work that well. Even though it is true that Ayers is a distraction, I think that argument may come across as sounding evasive in a debate format. Being evasive about this topic will imply guilt in a lot of people's minds.
I think Obama will have to directly address Ayers, who he is and what their relationship is or isn't.
October 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think he'll do A and B. "This is the extent of our relationship and it's silly that I have to keep explaining tangential associations when x is happening in our country"
October 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree. Basically it comes down to Obama saying, this is the extent of the relationship, and the Repubs saying no it isn't, tell the whole truth. Without any further evidence, it boils down to whether one trusts Obama, and his explanation seems plausiable. Obama would be able to give his side calmly while seated at the table with the other two, and I think for most Americans, the whole line of questioning will indeed look silly. McCain's only option other than letting it go at that point would be call Obama a liar to his face.
October 14, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just had an odd thought.
I know it's not the republican style to sit on ammo, they'd rather fire it all (spray and pray) at once... but what if they're sitting on something that Obama's overlooked or forgotten about?
Obama explains the extent of the relationship in fairly dismissive terms, highlighting the triviality, then goes to move on... and McCain brings up something 'damning' that Obama's forgotten, and destroys (in many minds) the man's credibility...
Horrifying thought.
October 15, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't be an interesting turn of fate if Ayers were actually seated in the audience and Obama asks for him to come on stage to answer McCain's charges?
October 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm guessing former terrorists have trouble getting tickets to debates.
October 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
As countless others have said, Obama and Biden have set a trap for McCain and no doubt have a a devastating response at the ready.
And I'll be damned if McCain wasn't stupid enough to willingly walk right into the trap. Further proof that he's unfit for the presidency - every leader on the goddamned planet would be shaking his ass down on a daily basis.
October 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
October 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
When this election is over and Barack Obama is elected President: John McCain might want to explore a career in comedy, because he's full of jokes.
October 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Except dude! His timing could not be worse and that's all that a comedian is.
We all say funny shit if you look at the words. The difference is timing and o my god, McLame couldn't be more out of phase.
October 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh oh, it never ends well when there's a triple-dog-dare on the table. Somebody always winds up with his tongue stuck to the flagpole. (Hint, it's not going to be Obama.)
October 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
But Obama did create a slight breach in etiquette when he skipped over the triple dare and went straight to the triple dog dare.
Just sayin'...
October 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT: Obama is bought new ads to be shown.... in XBox 360 game(s).
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/10/obamas-new-ad-f.html
October 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now I've got a great excuse to buy an Xbox!
October 14, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT: Obama has bought new ads to be shown.... in XBox 360 game(s).
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/10/obamas-new-ad-f.html
October 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am just not getting this whole Ayers thing. Unless Obama met and plannned with Ayers when he was 8yr old and stayed in contact with him throughout his adult life, what is the point of this non-sense. CNN, MSNBC, FAUX news and the rest on the news monkeys just love this story. But this is not really a story. When Obama met this fellow he was well regarded within his community and thats is where the clueless media should begin this story. But instead they focus only on his past rather his present life. Its just amazing. They have spent more time of this BS than covering any real story on Mrs. Mooseburger and her her husband past associations. This is just utterly amazing!!!!
October 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the point, you see! It's a distraction.
October 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
If only Barack had agreed to town-hall forums with McCain, none of this negativity would be happening. McCain would be his usual honorable gentlemanly even-tempered self and Sarah would be talking about the actual issues instead of the daily personality attacks.
It's like the wife-batterer blaming his victim for his attacks. "She made me do it."
October 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bob Schieffer brings Ayers up, everyone in the country should finally see what a fucking Repug lapdog he is.
When is that old fool going to retire? Why won't anyone retire anymore? Goddamn! Get out of the way and let someone younger get in there.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit!
October 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe his retirement funds all tanked?
October 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like the Republicans have succeeded again. Every news channel, radio show and every single blog in America is talking about Ayers. Now that everyone is listening Republicans will make more and more connections and slowly make Obama unelectable if this isn't addressed properly.
It won't matter how many of the ties are debunked. They will just continue to repeat over and over the loose connections and create new ones and so many will be out there, you won't be able to think of anything else.
If Obama is releasing radio ads in a few battle ground states trying to debunk this it means it's a problem. Before this turns into an absolute frenzy, Obama needs some serious headlines to recapture the public's attention.
October 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't Rove say that if you repeat lies often enough the foolish will readily accept it as the truth regardless of the facts?
October 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or was that Goebbels?
October 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
for the love of Mike, Mike! I might agree with you if we were 2 months out and the polls weren't showing Obama ahead by the biggest margin I've seen in 3 goddamn elections.
Come on people - Ayers has been out there for 6 months at least and it has had exactly 0 discernible effect on people's attitudes and votes.
October 14, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe you're right. Maybe I am a concern troll but remember, we're the people thinking clearly about this. I just hope the frenzy that has been building up on right wing radio/blogs since last weekend doesn't spill into the mainstream media too much.
Maybe a McCain Palin sex scandal will come up. Some pictures of McCain's hand up Palin's skirt would definitely eat up a few news cycles.
October 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know you aren't a concern troll.
But I think you're way too worried about wingers. They were never voting for Obama. Those are the dead-enders, man.
Y'all have to ween yourselves off of Rush and Hannity except as comic relief - nobody takes them seriously except the 25% who are functionally insane or illiterate.
October 14, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
No.
The Republicans have not succeeded at anything, Mike.
They are losing and desperate, and throwing anything they can find against the wall to see if anything will stick.
Take a breath. William Ayers will not decide this election. History will see the Ayers smear as exactly what it was - a desperate tactic that McCain returned to again and again because he had nothing, nothing else.
October 14, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if Obama returns the favor by bringing up Charles Keating, Senator, it will be your fault.
October 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
McShame sounds like he wants to do the "compare dicks thing amongst males"...to prove his manhood. He is such a lame immature little twerp! Obama has his answer and I don't care who brings it up but Obama will have the right response.
October 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only person who can solve this is Ayers himself. He should hold a news conference to explain to everyone who he was and what he has become today.
October 14, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Worked so well with Wright, didn't it?
October 14, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that a joke? Ayers is doing the right thing by keeping his mouth shut. Had Rev Wright done the same thing, he wouldnt have caused BO's campaign the headache of having to do damage control after he gave that speech in front of the press core in Washington. That took BO of message plus gave him bad press for almost 3 weeks.
October 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a hell of a conspiracy theorist but I honestly think Rev. Wright coming out like he did three days in a row and going overboard in his final appearance admitting to stating America may have introduced AIDS and also stating Obama had to say what he had to because of politics was staged. I really don't care about it if it was to be honest. I always thought the Rev. Wright thing was blown way out of proportion. He did what he had to do. Bring up the issue one last time in a big way and disassociate himself with the ridiculous statements and with the church and pastor once and for all. Of course we'll never know if this was staged or not.
October 14, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. It doesn't need to be "solved". It's a non-issue, and so far the Obama campaign has been doing the right thing in treating it as such.
In "solving" it you are assuming that the Republicans inhabit a fact- and reason-based universe, that they can be persuaded if only we try hard enough. Neither is true. They live in their own reality, and it is a my-dick-is-bigger, you-are-my-bitch universe.
They only understand the smackdown, and they're going nuts because right now they're the ones getting smacked.
October 14, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain won't bring it up at all, simply because that would give Obama the possibility to dispell it, taking away the point of 50 % of McCain's ads (the other are about ACORN).
October 14, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole Ayers thing hasnt gotten any traction and the polling so far isnt showing it. McCain is being baited by BO and whats so sad is his campaign sees it and is still going there. I would bet that BO has a devastating comeback line for McCain when he brings up Ayers.
October 14, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its called a "sucker punch" for a reason. Oh McCain.......you sucker. Doesn't your head hurt enough already? I can't wait to see him get clocked on this.
October 14, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
New radio ad from Obama's camp about Ayers:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Obamas_Ayers_ad.html#comments
October 14, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great ad!
October 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great ad!
October 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"And, look Mark, it's not that I give a damn about some old washed-up terrorist..."
What is truly astonishing is how the McCain campaignโas well as Senator McCain and Governor Palin, individuallyโhave completely lost control of the situation. Any sense of decorum which might have been left, disappeared with that interview. Senator McCain can hardlyโstrike that, is completely unable toโconceal his anger and contempt.
Like a wounded animal, he flails wildly from his corner, trying to grasp whatever it might take to keep the campaign alive. But, he's done. Seriously done. He would be well advised to keep whatever dignity which might remain, renounce the bad behavior that he himself, his hand-picked Vice Presidential candidate and his rabid followers have engaged in, and quietly wind this effort down in the face of the inevitable, crushing outcome.
Even a crook like Karl Rove cannot save this oneโฆ
October 14, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The year is 2020, McCain is 84. After being President between 2008-2012.
Anderson Cooper: President, we have heard conflicting reports, but what made you go to war with Iran?
McCain: Oh, yeah. Y'know, I was astonished to hear Ahkmahdinejad say that he was surprised for me to have the guts to do that, because the fact is they hate America. I have always put Country First.
Cooper: What do you have to say about the war Palin has waged with Russia?
McCain: She is an expert on them, I trust her...
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What a nightmare! Because somebody calls you out? Grow a pair McCain, act like a Statesman and stop suffering from little man syndrome. Grow up...
October 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here are a couple of things Obama should say if McCain brings up Ayers:
Start out with, "First off, how is this related to economic crisis?" Then continue with, "If you still want to run away from the crisis and American people's woes, as one of your aids said you cannot win on economy, and want to distract to guilt by association (GBA) nonsense, then Ayers has more to do with your campaign than mine. Here is the fact: Ayers never served as a board member of the education project I chaired. Your present campaign donor and Annenburg Foundation President invited Ayers a couple of times to the board meeting. By your own GBA rule, your donor's trustee is your trustee, so you are more related to Ayers at the present than me." In addition, throw a dozen of names: Keating 5; Palin and secessionist AIP, which has a strong tie with Iran; Iran contra; Carl H. Lindner Jr, a McCain's fund raiser, supported United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a paramilitary terrorist group; in 1993/1994 McCain voted for bombings, arson and blockades at abortion clinics and shooting doctors/nurses; his praise for felon G. Gordon Liddy as recent as in May 2007 ("Iโm proud of you, Gordon...And congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."); he "palled" around with international con man Raffaello Follieri; McCain's lobbyists include terrorists Doug Goodyear, Doug Davenport, Charlie Black, Tom Loeffler, and Peter Madigan, and their firms' clients: For instance, Black represented Angolan terrorist Jonas Savimbi;
McCain's tie with Roberto Martin Perez and CANF and its support for terrorism; the list goes on.
October 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's almost as if McCain is dying to have his bell rung.
October 14, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Add to that list:
(1) Now is a good time for suppliers to take advantage. I encourage you to seize this moment and pursue business ventures with the firms here [in Iraq]."----Robert Mosbacher Sr. at Iraqi arms fair, 1989.
Mosbacher, currently the McCain campaign's general chairman, played a large role in approving the export of sensitive technology to the regime of Saddam Hussein just before his regime invaded Kuwait.U.S. (Source: News & World Report, 18 February 1991).
(2) "Nicaraguan rebel leaders, scrambling for a survival strategy in the wake of congressional refusal last week to appropriate new aid funds, pleaded today for independent financial contributions from U.S. supporters to two private foundations based in Washington.
The contra leaders said Republican presidential candidate Robert Dole recently contributed $500 to rebel coffers, and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) donated $400." (Source: Washington Post, 9 February 1988).
October 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's become of all the trolls in the past few days, e.g. sfcwallace?
October 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Methinks they are 'in the counting house, counting out their money.'
Or, more likely, tallying up their losses and licking their wounds. Although, as foolish as they are with regard to other issues, they are quite likely 'irrationally exuberant' about yesterdays historic elevation of the Dow Jones Industrials index, and projecting a similar meteoric rise in the fortunes of the McCain campaign.
Foolsโฆ
October 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW I really like TheraP's comments. Please explain the Avatar. I get the eighth note, but not the rest.
October 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
O I adore TheraP and her comments -
I don't think I've said that enough.
October 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's called an appoggiatura. (though I've seen it written with only one "g")
appoggiatura n. Music. An embellishing note, usually one step above or below the note it precedes and indicated by a small note or special sign.
Meaning to me? I like it!
October 14, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
But why the fermata?
October 14, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are times when you're sorry the stocks are gone. Stocks for public shaming, I mean.
October 14, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
So even though McCain doesn't care about Ayers, he's been goaded into pretending he does? I guess that's straight talk.
October 14, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope Obama answers his Ayers with a Liddy. Liddy is far worse. And McCain has never repudiated his actions. He's gone on his radio show and flattered the former domestic terrorist.
It's actually amazing that McCain keeps bringing up Ayers, knowing that his own closet is in far worse shape.
I condemn what Ayers did 40 years ago. But he at least was trying to stop a disgraceful, despicable war. Liddy wanted to kill and firebomb and terrorize to fix an election. He also recently said that his radio listeners should shoot ATF agents in the head, not the body, because they'll be wearing vests.
I think the mention of Liddy would force the McCain campaign to find another smear du jour.
October 14, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correct.
Liddy drew up a plan to firebomb Brookings; a CREEP-purchased firetruck was to be on the scene immediately to retrieve confidential Kennedy and Johnson papers from their time in office.
CREEP wouldn't fund the 350K for the truck.
October 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. If Obama double dog dares McCain to debate naked, will he do that too?
October 14, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ewwww... can we let McCain use a podium?
October 14, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's baiting Obama. He wants Obama to bring it up. This way the discussion is about Obama and Ayers, it drives the news cycle, it backs up (ha!)McCain's theme that Obama is risky. McCain then can say that he didn't bring Ayers up, Obama did.
He could be baiting Bob Schieffer, too. McCain wants this brought up, be he doesn't want his hands dirty.
October 14, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
McLame doesn't have enough smarts and or wile to be baiting anyone.
He's just popping off - that's all it is.
October 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know...getting your opponent to bring up something that you don't want to bring up is very Rovian.
October 14, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
And we all know - Rove's A Genius!
We're Doooooomed, people.
October 14, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Rove is a genius. I do think he's a clever little punk. And this tactic sounds like something from his playbook. That's all I'm saying!
October 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
IMO, McCain will not, if he has any sense left, mention Ayers. Have you noticed that everytime McCain is condescending or angry or mean spirited in someway, Obama moves up in te polling? McCain does not want that.
October 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeeeees... though he spluttered and fussed about the commentary on not looking at his opponent, after the first debate. But just how drastically was he able to change?
October 15, 2008 2:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
TROOPGATE WIDER?
Board's Troopergate probe casts wider net
The state Personnel Board investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of Walt Monegan has broadened to include other ethics complaints against the governor and examination of actions by other state employees, according to the independent counsel handling the case.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/
Palin vindicated?
Governor offers Orwellian/Chaney spin
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: "I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."
In plain English, she did something "unlawful." She broke the state ethics law.
Perhaps Gov. Palin has been too busy to actually read the Troopergate report. Perhaps she is relying on briefings from McCain campaign spinmeisters.
October 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
My friends, I warned the American people long in advance that Obama would make me talk about Ayers. I have here a letter signed by Lindsay Graham and Joe Lieberman warning about it. Who's signature isn't on it? That one.
October 14, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the McCain campaign needs to come out and let us know what other of Ayers' associates should to be blackballed: Ayers' family memebers? his students? his colleagues at the U of Ill @ Chicago? his other fellow board members? And why the hell hasn't anyone in the press asked why McCain is so happy to be promoting one of the Annenbergs as a supporter?
October 14, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who else should be blackballed? Why the entire US professoriate! They're the ones responsible for giving a known terrorist a Ph.D. and a job! Why, I'll bet there's no more than 4 degrees of separation from any of them and Ayers!
October 14, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schieffer will definitely bring it up, if McCain doesn't beat him to it.
And Obama would be wise to remain very calm, and with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye, say, "John, I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have about Ayers, if you'll do the same regarding your relationship with G. Gordon Liddy, the convicted felon and unrepentant domestic terorist. How's that for 'fair and balanced'?"
October 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I said before, my guess is that Ayers is a feint and McCain will hit Obama on ACORN instead. It is probably too late now for Obama to address this preemptively in a manner that might take it off the table. So I hope the O-Man is ready for it at the debate, and based upon his campaign's performance to date I have no reason to doubt that he will be. Still, I think this has been tactically unsound and has created unnecessary risk. McCain could land a solid one if he handles the voting issue correctly (big if).
October 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe McCain knows that there is video evidence now that he addressed an ACORN sponsored rally in FL sometime back. ACORN was with Republicans and still is in some states. The difference is that ACORN's vote drive is not favoring McCain and Republican candidates in battleground states.
October 14, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here you go:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/mccain-told-acorn-in-2006-that-they-are.html
October 14, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The number one thing I remember about the real hardcore old Republicans of my preppy youth was that they couldn't f*&%ing stand anyone who lacked "conviction" - agreeing about the viewpoint was secondary.
They must hate McCain.
October 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"John, do consider me a gook?"
October 14, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
ACORN (besides being a nut) is just an excuse for the Rightwing to exclaim that the election was stolen and hence illegitimate.
October 14, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but why supply them with ammunition? The object is to disarm them.
I am saying, like the right-wing nuts are, that ACORN is evil. I certainly don't believe that; for all I know, it is a terrific organization and Obama should be proud of his association with it, whatever they are or were. But the reports of ACORN voter registration fraud are all over the news, in numerous states, including most of the battlegrounds. The stories about Obama's connection to ACORN are not far behind.
Here's the problem: the distinction between voter registration fraud and vote fraud is easily blurred and may be tough to handle in the debate hurly-burly. And besides, voter registration fraud is wrong. So there seems no downside to Obama paying homage to the sanctity of the electoral process and criticizing anyone and everyone who detracts from that. In fact, I think doing so will be to his benefit come election day when the Republicans really start pulling out all the stops.
But it looks like Obama is not going to address the matter before tomorrow's debate. I'm sure Obama is ready if it comes up then. And I'm probably over-worrying anyway.
BTW: watched the video at AmericaBlog; it doesn't move the ball much. McCain gives his audience -- including ACRON -- a meager dose of bland politician platitudes.
October 14, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
The impression one gets reading this thread and then going around and reading threads in Republican blogs is that there is a lot of bad feeling in the USA, lots of hostility... and the economy is going to get much worse in coming months.
How is this hostility going to find expression?
October 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
IF McCrazy brings up Ayers, will he maintain eye contact while doing so?
I will enjoy watching BO delivering a calm and steady SMACKDOWN on that.
October 14, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should be ready to meet this issue with a very succinct statement:
"In my younger days I was appointed to serve on a board of directors for an organization receiving funds from the Annenberg Foundation. You know Annenberg, former Ambassador and good friend of Ronald Reagan. We attended several board of Directors meetings together, he had a coffee for me during my first election and we live in the same neighborhood.
"Now some of the following people have said that this is a non story. The US Attorney for the Ayers case (a Republican) and the following Republican state and congressional members. Some how this brief and insubstantial relationship means so much to Senator McCain.
"Senator McCain, we in public life do meet people from all walks of life. Do you really want to discuss these? Do we really want to discuss the fact that your father-in-law is a convicted felon? Do you really want to talk about those trips to the tropical resort of Mr. Keating? What about the convicted perjurer who has been raising funds for you - Scooter Libby? What about the radical organizations trading arms with the Iranians to fund the Contras that you were on the board of directors?
"I do not question your ethics, honesty or patriotism because of these associations. Remember the movie, Six Degrees of Separation. Now, you talk about a new means of campaigning and a new era playing down hyper partisanship. You need to learn to Talk the Talk and Walk the Talk."
October 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it interesting that he always prefaces or ends with "and I don't care about some washed-up terrorist." Interesting that you don't care yet you can't stop bringing it up.
I know that Obama is going to have a zinger of a comeback. McCain might as well not even show up. These debates only seem to slump him even lower in the polls. Dumbass.
October 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain always uses the excuse that "he has no choice."
When he said that he had to be an asshole and turn the tone of the campaign negative because Obama would not allow McCain to take over his campaign and Obama did not attend McCain's townhalls he proved himself a very spoiled, contemptuous, little brat.
McCain has never earned a position. He has always been somebodies tool. Always.
There is not a single thing that McCain has done that he has not had some major help in achieving. He is a fraud.
Sign on here to demand that McCain take responsibility for his crowds.
http://act.truemajorityaction.org/p/7002/noracism?petition_KEY=87
John McCain: Can't control his campaign. Can't control his crowds. He wants us to allow him to control our country.
October 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's just so heroic of the light bulb factory bomber.
He's a leader, not a follower, dontcha know?
October 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This shows how easy it is to manipulate John McCain. Call me a name and I'll blow my top. Taunt me and I'll show you. Hard to imagine a foreign policy based on childhood playground responses to international affairs. "But Vladimir Putin made me do it" and "But Hugo Chavez made me feel sad, so I shot a missile at him". "It was his fault for crossing me."
I thought the meaning of honor had something to do with self-control and driving your own destiny, despite the actions of others. "He made me" is really dishonorable and lame.
October 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let him bring up Ayers. Then Obama can bring up the Alaska Independence Party, and how they have stated that their strategy is to sneak stealth candidates into office (hmmmmm. . . .)
I'm sure Obama is prepared for any Ayers questions, in fact I bet he was prepared at the last two debates (that might be the real reason he was surprised it didnt come up).
October 14, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was truly masterful by Obama.
How long has it been since we've had a nominee that could set up their opponent like this? By egging McCain on, he's just falling into the trap of not talking about the issues that actually matter.
I hope he does bring it up so Obama can, yet again, calmly knock it down to talk about real issues just like every other debate.
Well-played, Obama. You know how to get under the skin of an overly confident and angry risk-taker and have done it well.
October 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let us see.In the debates and on the Obama News Channels,i.e., msnbs, nbc, etc.The Messiah, as Louis Farrakhan called Barack Hussein Obama, has said EVERYONE WITH A SALARY UNDER $250,000.00 ANUALLY WILL GET A TAX DEDUCTION.YESTERDAY, AT A SPEECH, THE MESSIAH TOLD A QUESTIONER HE, THE MESSIAH, WAS GOING TO RE-DISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH.
Now guppies, I can tell by your posts you are none too smart,but even an amoeba is smart enough to KNOW THE BOY IS A LIAR AND UNDERSTANDS THE SOCIALISM IMPLICATIONS OF RE-DISTRIBUTING THE WEALTH AND HOW DEVASTATING THAT IS TO ECONOMIES.And before you start throwing that racist B.S.around start listening to BLACK CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATORS AND TALK SHOW HOSTS.They are, intellectually, light years ahead of Obama Guppies.By the way,ACRON IS CORRUPT, HAS BEEN CORRUPT AND WILL BE CORRUPT UNTIL SOMEBODY STARTS THROWING THEIR SORRY THIEVING REARS IN JAIL!ACORNOBAMA!!!!
October 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
fogu2?
fogu3?
I don't remember fogu shouting so much.
October 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay people, I'm listening to Talk of the Nation on NPR and their discussing the ugliness of the campaign. So far all the callers have said it's bad on both sides.
But - God help us - some woman just called, said she was a McCain supporter, said Obama's lieing about Ayres, that he gave millions of dollars to ACORN to indoctrinate small children to liberalism, and then said:
Obama is not an American citizen and the Democrats are covering it up.
GOD, please let this be over!!!!!
October 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
KZ.Correct grammar would be the word they're. The correct spelling for LYING is LYING.Did you go to PUBLIC SCHOOL? If so, as I suspect, remember NPR is National Public Radio. Since public school has failed you, perhaps you should find a different source for news. Try Fox News.Your friends will hate you, but you won't be ignorantly uninformed.If you want to know some truths about Obama try this
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTQ0YjhlOGVhYjQ0OWRhZjI2MmM4NTQ4NGM5Mjg0MzU=
MAYBE YOU WANT A SEPARATE NATION!
October 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, the trolls have found their way back onto TPM!
Or maybe not - he and I agree that Fox News and the National Review are the proper news sources for the ignorant and uninformed. ;-) (I don't count KZ in that group, though.)
We just disagree on the proper tone that one should use in a blog. I believe that one should always be polite, and not correcting another's grammar. And so, in the most polite terms, I suggest that you, ACORNOBAMA, go fuck yourself, in any way physically possible, you ignorant, arrogant slut.
October 14, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is not a hard one to call -- leave it to the moderator, Bob Schieffer, to enable the subject's appearance. I'd like to think I am wrong about Bob, but he is the same newsman who reacted with incredulity when Gen. Wesley Clark pointed out that "getting shot down" is not a qualification to becoming President of the United States. His reaction, I thought, betrayed a serious McCain bias.
October 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's always this counter:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html
Ah, associations.
October 14, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that Admiral Akbar might have a few words of advice for McCain about bringing Ayers up.
October 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely classic bully behavior! "He made me punch him in the face and take his lunch money!"
What a jerk.
October 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a jackass. And a baby. Go home and suck your thumb, old man.
October 15, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
If McCain can't control his campaign, how does he expect to LEAD a country. Look at the 2 campaigns, which one has on message, he can't control his VP running mate, his spokespersons, or seemingly anyone else. Imagine what his administration would be like.
October 15, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why are we so fortunate to have pulled TWO NOTED OLD BIASED JOURNALISTS to moderate these debates.
Right or wrong ... good or bad .... Sheiffer will do what he feels is in the best interest to make McCain look good. He's definitely biased, leaning very Right. He has one problem ... been awhile since he's had to deal with a candidate with the intellect of Obama ... be wary Mr. Schieffer ... don't bit off more than you can chew!
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