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McCain And Congressional Republicans Agree: The Other Guy Is Gonna Lose

Wow, now this takes Republican gloom to a whole new level.

It appears that the McCain campaign and Congressional Republicans are now in strategic agreement: Each says the other is going to lose on Election Day -- and each is citing that to win voter support for themselves.

The McCain campaign has been arguing that he should be elected because divided government is healthier than one-party control. This argument, of course, presumes a Republican loss in the Congressional races -- or at the very least, that the GOP is certain to remain in the minority.

Now the National Republican Senatorial Committee is making a similar argument, in reverse -- on behalf of the GOP's Senate candidates.

Ben Smith reports that the NRSC is running an ad on behalf of Senator Elizabeth Dole that argues against electing Dem challenger Kay Hagan because of the specter of total Democratic control of Washington.

"If Hagan wins," the ad says, "they get a blank check." This, of course, seems to presume an Obama victory.

As one Democrat joked to us: ""Republicans launch new campaign theme: All the rest of us are gonna lose, so elect me."


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This is the greatest thing I've seen all election so far:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

So many easter eggs hidden.

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Carport? But I thought Zamboni was next in line?

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loved it, thanks

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Hmmm, they can't both be right.

Oh, wait...

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My thought -- first time the entire election they've all been right about something.

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This is weird, ok? But this is the most legitimate argument they have.

In general, I'm not a fan of one-party rule. However, inasmuch as the opposition party is anything but a serious party, I'll live with it.

LOL!


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Yeah, power corrupts and all that.

That said, it's their own freaking fault. If they had some ideas maybe they wouldn't be in this mess. Time for some soul-searching for the Republicans. I'd love if we had two viable parties keeping each other honest. But for that to happen, they have to wake the fuck up.

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Yup yup - you betcha!

Tell you what - I've been playing around the last couple of days with the idea that Obama as the new Roosevelt may make me want to repeal the amendment the Repugs shoved through after Roosevelt, that limits a president to two terms.

;)

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Yeah, power corrupts and all that.

Yep.  But it takes time.  I could live with six years of No Republicans In Sight.

And who knows?  The Internet fundraising phenomenon might just be powerful enough to slow the rate of decay way, way down.

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and our (the blogosphere. I kind of hate that word. reminds me of 'cyberspace') penchent for finding the dirt and getting it out there. The bad eggs have to be found and dumped, and quickly. Take freaking Tim-the-idiot Mahoney for instance....

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Listen - the fact that the RNC dropped support for Marilyn Musgrave just makes my life - two if the biggest wack jobs holding office as Repugs have lost the party's support.

I love that. I love it so much!

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I have no doubt that you love it - but those of us living in this district will love it even more when we personally get to pull the lever and eject her out of the House and back to Fort Morgan on Nov 4th. Yay for us! And yay for Colorado!

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I believe that is truly the healthiest means to operate a democracy. One distinction, however, the equal Republicans have to be those of the Grand Old Party type (I'm certain there are many) not these new radical NEO-CON, rant and rave brainless types we see of late.
I have great respect for either Party if it is displayed in an intelligent, honest and professional manner. That, afterall, is what the founding fathers intended!

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With the internet, it's almost like We The People are the loyal opposition. Not that I want that to be the only source of opposition. But we all know we'll be on the case. And if they deviate, we'll be on them!

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When this election is over, the internet is going to be seen in a whole new light with a whole new bunch of respect.

We barely made any inroads in '04, though we did enough that the Democrats - well Howard Dean did - recognized the potential and we really have fulfilled that potential this time around.

It's partly due to the shift in the national zeitgeist - we headed left and I predict it's going a long way left because the correction is overdue -

And yeah, we will have had a lot to do with that, Thera. Finally we aren't just curiosities.

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In case anyone is worried about that bullshit AP poll today showing McCain within a point of Obama, it's seriously flawed...check this out!

http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/new-flawed-ap-poll-claims-mccain-and.html

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In case anyone is worried...

What? Me worry???

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Of course Obama's going to win, but does anyone expect the GOP to acknowledge that?? I'm reading comments on other blogs about how shocked and snickering people are when they read Republican supporters claiming McCain will be the next Prez.

They know they're toast, but they're not going to publicly say that.

And even on that off, off, off, off, OFF chance that McCain steals the election and no wrongdoing is (legally) found, he'll be a lame duck from day one because of the overwhelming wave of Seneate and Congressional seats the GOP will lose.

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This is so fun. I've never seen rats scurrying off a ship like this. Meanwhile, the only guy left screaming No Surrender is Pat Buchanan because of his undying affinity for Palin. He's raging a culture war in his pants.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

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"He's raging a culture war in his pants."

Thanks for that. I just about snarfed hot coffee.

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What's in his pants is still all for Palin.

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Sweet! And to think it used to be the Democrats who specialized in circular firing squads.

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It's funny to hear them make the "having the White House and Congress controlled by one party is dangerous" argument is pretty funny, considering the sort of damage they inflicted during 2000-2006.

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Bleh, early morning redundancy.

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Exactly, They should know, right?

We just never have treated them when they have been in the minority, the way they treated us - they locked our people out of rooms where they'd legislation out that was due for a vote in a matter of hours - there was almost a fistfight over that one - member? A couple of senators in their 70s?

They held midnight votes on shit they knew the Democrats opposed. They added riders to bills after they came out of committee for floor votes.

They pulled one dirty fucking juvenile trick after another in Congress. Fuck those motherfuckers!

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Exactly!

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Remember when the MSM was saying the Democrats weren't unified?

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Ah, at last -- one of my fondest dreams is coming true! The Republicans engaging in internecine trench warfare! How many allies will McCain take down with him? How many will mutiny against the venerable ol' fighter pilot? With such visions dancing in my head, I'm going to have a hard time getting to sleep tonight!

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... With such visions dancing in my head, I'm going to have a hard time getting to sleep tonight!

Beats the hell out of losing sleep worrying about a GOP win, eh?

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Regardless of who wins on 11/4, I'm going to be plenty drunk. If Obama wins, it'll be from too much champagne. If McCain wins, it'll be from as much rotgut scotch as I can drink before puking(and I HATE scotch!).

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Tena,

There was a great episode of THE WEST WING about Republicans doing the Midnight Votes - if anyone missed that one, the Dems camped out secretly in a separate part of the Capitol after the Republicans thought they'd left for a August recess. Then when the Midnight meeting was called and the votes were about to be cast, the Dems poured into the room and ultimately made the Midnight Vote go in their direction and leaving the GOP stunned.

I miss that show so much, and that was one of my favorites!

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I miss that show too.

Last Saturday Bradley Whitford made an appearance at the Obama office just down the street from me and did some phone banking.

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That was a great episode...I heard somewhere that Smits' character was loosely based on Obama. Anyone know if this is true?

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Not exactly what I'd call party unity... or respect for other candidates facing the same uphill battle.

HA!

http://thepajamapundit.com/

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The McCain campaign has been arguing that he should be elected because divided government is healthier than one-party control.
Remind me again. Why was one-party control a good thing to have in the 2004 presidential election, according to the Republican party then?
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Wow, now this takes Republican gloom to a whole new level.

Gloom? Surely you jest. We all know that any minute now Obama's poll numbers will collapse as the scales fall from voters' eyes and Sarah Palin is going to lead us to the Promised Land. Right? RIGHT?!?

(One frequently wonders what planet some of the right-wing press are reporting from...)

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Bradley's great! He should appear on Maher more often.

I wish Obama would have put Aaron Sorkin onto his staff in some capacity, maybe to write a few speeches. His script for the WEST WING pilot back in 1999 is still the best thing I've ever read for tv.

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Word.

He's very smart. But my favorite of all Bill's guests is D. L. Hughely. I fucking am so in love with him = he's just right on the edge of brilliant. He's one of the funniest guys going and he's darling.

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Agree with both of you. DL is great. I usually hate his "celebrity" panel member. Will.I.Am was worthless last month and watching Garry Shandling for too long makes my face start to burn.

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Shandling was pathetic and I found it embarrassing. I loved the guy's show - it was genius.

But off the show, o dear.

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One party rule is not a good thing,,,,,,,,, but 'turn the rascals out' trumps it each time, every time, and on time, as in 4/11/08.

When either party loses the mandate of heaven it's time to go,,,,, the GOP may now take its turn at begone and get thee behind me Satan.

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The Republicans started their dirty fucking tricks in 1994. Remember the contract with America bullshit! We've had to endure 14 years of these bastards having their foot on our throats.

You can almost feel their power slipping away. Like the wicked witch, " I'm melting, I'm melting."

Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

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Word up!

Just cause I do recognize the legitimacy of that argument in general does not mean that it is legitimate when applied to these particular Repugs - which I guess I should have made more clear.

These particular Repugs can fuck right the fuck off. I

I'll say it again - if Obama's first and second terms go like I hope and pray and expect them to, I'd be willing to repeal the 22d amendment.

The problem with that is we're just as likely to be stuck with some kind of Commander CooCoo Bananas down the line and not be able to get rid of him.

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Alright you two--McCain and the GOP--stop the quarreling. You're both right. You're both going to lose. The best thing you can do for yourselves is to start thinking about those remaining Republicans who will still have a job in Congress and how tough it's going to be on them if they continue to call their colleagues across the aisle "terrorists" and "socialists" and "communists" and "anti-American" and whatever else they're about to uncork when shrillness and desperation reach their apex.

Make it easy on yourselves. You're not in a good position right now. If you stop acting like complete batshit crazy assholes now, there's a chance that things might go a little easier for you when the next session of Congress begins. The Dems are generally pretty agreeable and they'll probably throw you a bone once in a while. Keep acting like jerks and you're constituents will probably dump you in the next election. I'm just trying to be helpful.

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"they get a blank check"

which, of course, would come after Bush wrote a check for $700 billion.

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LOL!

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We're dealing with two foreign wars and the worst economic crisis since the 1930's. And these guys are arguing that we need more Gridlock.

This is not a winning argument for the Republicans.

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You know what would really suck Lieberman being #60.

I don't think the Dems will get a fillibuster-proof 60 Senate seats, besides the Blue Dogs would still cause problems with that anyways. Remember when Obama had the votes in the RBC meeting to split Michigan 50-50, but took a less favorable result in order to have more votes supporting it? I think that's how Obama will attempt to lead.

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I am still lost as to how Lieberman as #60 makes a bit of difference. It is not, after all, as if such considerations make a bit of difference. If he wants to vote for Harry Reid as Senate Majority leader, he can do so whether we tell him he is welcome to or not. Similarly, if he wants to vote for cloture on a given debate, he can do so whether he formally caucuses with us or not. The only area where it makes a difference whether he caucuses with us or not is (like at present) where we would have only a 50 member caucus without him. Anything over 50, however, and his cooperation becomes mere gravy. The important thing is that he will lose his committee chairmanship come November, and that will happen whether we end up with a 51 member caucus (minus Lieberman) or a 63 member caucus (minus Lieberman).

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60 is the filibuster proof mark in the Senate. Of course you are right, and as I indicated in the post above, that 60 only matters if you have supreme control over all senators and can get them to vote as a block - which isn't going to happen.

While 60 is a magical number for some, I think whether we get it or not really doesn't matter because in practice it's will be useless.

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I don't think the Dems will get a fillibuster-proof 60 Senate seats, besides the Blue Dogs would still cause problems with that anyways.

Do you have a prescription for lithium that you aren't refilling? 'Cuz you are about the gloomiest pessimist I've ever read! All things are possible and maybe things are better than they look for some Dem challengers. Presidential landslides have been known to shake up the legislature too.

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MissouriVoter,

It's mind-bogglingly funny how fast the GOP pounced on that AP poll this morning - they're obviously looking for ANY goods news to smear Obama's face in.

But what the MSM is not talking about, at least not until tonight, is that the AP poll is scewered...49% of those polled were evangelical Christians who were voting for a Republican no matter who was the nominee. DER! Of course all of them will pick McCain.

Associated Press's editor-in-chief is not exactly quiet about his right wing side, so this poll and how it was done is not exactly surprising.

The GOP has yet to explain why the AP poll is the only national poll out there right now showing McCain being that close. What does the AP know that every fucking pollster in the country does not?

Oh yeah, I forgot...evangelicals heart Republicans!

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If Lieberman changes parties, I predict right here, right now that Chuck Hagel changes parties very soon!

Anyone else in on this prediction??

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Hagel is retiring. That is what the Johanns/Kleeb race right now is all about.

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Best Bill Maher guests - DL Hughley, Alec Baldwin, Bradley Whitford. I'm gonna get a lot of shit about this, but I think Maureen Dowd is a great guest on there, too!

ALWAYS love when Matt Taibbi is on!

Worst Guest - Eddie Griffin!!

I agree with you guys on Shandling because he refuses to take a side and talks like he supports both candidates, kind of like what Kevin Costner did when he was on the panel.

But I laughed my ass off when Shandling was on there last season and his cell phone went off during the show - Maher showed mock shock that it was a guy calling him. The audience was howling.

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Eddie Griffin! Yes. I'm always embarrassed for him. If you don't know anything about politics and have nothing worthwhile to say, don't fucking agree to go on Bill Maher's panel. It's that easy. You just end up looking like an idiot.

Who is that super right-wing asshole he has on from time to time (hehad on a few weeks ago)?

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From Wikipedia

"Frequently, it consists of a liberal commentator or political figure, a conservative commentator or political figure, and a third individual who does not have as clear an ideological label. This third individual is often an actor, comedian, musician or other entertainment figure."


So, I guess it's intentional.

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Economist Stephen Moore is the asshole I'm thinking of. That guy just spouts the party-line bullshit and you know he doesn't truly believe it.

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Kevin Costner has one overwhelming problem - his tiny little brain.

Kevin is as dumb as a bag o'hammers.

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OT, but a bit that I remember from the last debate that made me chuckle (and still does) was when McCain was using air quotes, saying:

"Senator Obama has (air quotes) eloquence"

I keep envisioning McCain at a rally speaking to a crowd (a dozen or so), while supporters are imploring,

"Save us from the scary eloquence!"

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I think you're referring to that writer from the Wall Street Journal...John Fund, I think his name is? He also has that ass clown David Frum on and he always gets his ass whupped by the other guests...just like Rachel Maddow cleaned his clock last week. Frum always ends an appearance by looking like he's about to have a stroke because he's so pissed off.

I was SHOCKED when Mr. Hairpiece himself, Frank Luntz, appeared and conceded Obama was going to be the next Prez. Of course, he is going to be, but there's a part of me that thinks Luntz was trying to rally his base by reminding them Obama was leading.

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From above: Economist Stephen Moore is the asshole I'm thinking of. That guy just spouts the party-line bullshit and you know he doesn't truly believe it.

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You need to start hitting "reply."

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Happy now? :-)

There are a lot of right wing jagoffs that appear Maher's show - I have a list, you have a list and so does every other viewer.

Either way, it's a great show and yet another example of progressive growth in the media!

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I'd love to see Olbermann on Bill Maher's show! I even met Maher at a book signing a couple of years ago and told him to get Olbermann on...he actually agreed it would be a great idea. But nothing's come on it...yet.

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HAHA! Hit REPLY!

Has Jon Stewart ever been on Real Time?

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Don't recall Stewart being on there, but he'd be a great guest...if he agreed to not interrupt people like he does on Daily Show when they're trying to respond to one of his questions. The ONLY thing I dislike about Stewart and he does that constantly, especially when the guest is giving an important response.

Oh yeah, add Robin Williams to the guests I hate on Maher - he's almost as irritating as Eddie Griffin.

That's the problem with Maher - he's friends with all of these comedians and whenever they have a project to promote, he puts them on his show and they end up making asses of themselves and it makes viewers change the channel.

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You know, more than anything this reflects on the McCain campaign's desperate straits. A long-term relationship between two parties incentivizes cooperation, and win or lose Congressional Republicans are going to be around for a long time to come. What will probably disappear in less than two weeks is any real power John McCain has within the GOP. Both sides know that, so now there's not much disadvantage to Congressional Republicans throwing McCain under the bus -- and greater advantages for McCain to return in kind.

Anyway, it's going to be an entertaining ten days or so watching the Republicans eat their own.

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I wish my Dad could be alive to see this. He was a lifelong Democrat who took me into the voting booth with him in 1960 so I could pull the lever for JFK.

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What a neat story!

He's fully alive in you. :)

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And my brother, who has been Democratic staff in the Arizona House for a couple decades.

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Why leave Republicans in charge of ANYTHING????

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"The McCain campaign has been arguing that he should be elected because divided government is healthier than one-party control."

What an empty argument, considering the Republicans were MORE than happy to have six years of unfettered government control.

So weak. Cry me another river.

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Chris Shays made the same argument on a local radio show earlier this week. He said, if he doesn't get to remain as the only Republican House representative in New England, who is Obama going to talk to when he wants to reach across the aisle?

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