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Desperation: McCain Claims That Obama Voted To Let Babies Die

Sheer desperation: John McCain hits Barack Obama for allegedly voting to let babies die.

The reference, of course, is to Obama's opposition to a measure in Illinois that would purportedly have provided care for babies born amid abortions -- something that was already legally required, anyway. The bill was widely viewed by critics as a sneak attack on Roe v. Wade.

To our ears, this is a more despicable smear than just about anything we've seen, worse than Ayers or anything else. It wreaks so overwhelmingly of desperation and dishonesty that it's incredible that McCain actually agreed to it when Steve Schmidt or whoever told him it would work and he really, really would score big points if he lobbed this attack tonight.

Chapter and verse on this ridiculous attack here and here.


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Brooks: Obama is a forest. McCain lobbed some bombs but Obama remained steady.

(Brooks looks resigned)

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The winner tonight: Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the next president of the United States.

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Obama won.Roll out the polls before the talking heads blather.

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No harm no foul!

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Debate III: Joe the Plumber Weighs In
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4019

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Red Line Republicans AGAIN through the roof for OPama's closing speech...

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Not even close. Three for three!

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McLame lost for one reason: for pandering the base. You don't election by trying to please the base.
O won the debate by taking the middle road.

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Gergen: McCain got angry, needs anger management.

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So true. And even better when it's a Republican pointing out the obvious.

http://pufferfish.typepad.com/

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I just have to say this again -


It was like having dinner with your angry, senile uncle.

I swear to god!

"He's not autistic, Uncle John, he has Downs. No that isn't the same thing, Uncle John." "He just told you that wasn't true, Uncle John." "You just said that, Uncle John...don't put the mashed potato in your ear, Uncle John." O god, not this story again...

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You just made me spit out my gum.

Excellent characterization, hopeful SNL will pick it up and you can get some royalties!

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I did feel like this was McCain's best performance of the three debates. I think it was just a better debate overall - it felt like the candidates moved further off the talking points than they did in the past.

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I thought so also. It was the first debate where anything real happened. I was glad to hear Obama go deeper into his health plan as it relates to small business.

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Really? I saw a very rudely condescending, contemptuous babbling old man who rolled his eyes, came at Obama like a rabid ferret and never made a lick of sense.

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Still, "better" doesn't mean "good."

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McCain is totally disgusting. But in the last two debates his bizarre antics upstaged everything else.

At least this time he sort of stayed behind the podium enough that it was recognizable as a debate. Maybe now people will discuss how stupid it would be to take troops off the battlefield and put them in the classrooms without any additional training or certification (that's what I heard McCain say).

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The way he was uncomfortably trying uncomfortably hard to look at Obama was just creepy and bizarre. I didn't think he was any better than the last two in that regard.

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That's cause they strapped him in -- with extra Depends.

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Joe the Plumber is a real person - McCain better be damn sure he supports him because he kept bringing him up. I mean you have to believe Joe's 15 minutes is about to hit and if he supports Obama, that will be a killer for McCain.

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I can't wait for the "Plumber Joes for Obama" rally.

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Beschloss & Stephanopolos: McCain really hurt himself with Ayres attack.

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MSNBC'S Chuck Dodd concludes O won. Among the undecidedS, it is 3:1 in Virginia, according to MSNBC.

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And let me add, 6 out of 6, i.e. 100%, will not vote for McLame because of Palin.

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I'm glad that's over.

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Amen, now we can go back and do ...door to door!

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Me Too!~

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Co-sign. That "negative campaign" exchange was unwatchable.

McCain was constantly near explosion.

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Word. Obama won the debate playoffs, now it's Super Bowl time on November 4th.

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We always get the idea of Obama camp's objective at the end of the debate.

I think for Obama his composure and steadiness will win him the accolades and eventually the votes.

One plus for McCain- He was to an extent succesful in distancing himself from Bush. I was waiting for Obama to say "that sounded like Bush," but he never did.

But Obama's advertising will take care of tying McCain to Bush- even more

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McCain was angry because he could sense as the night went on that his last hope was slipping away before his eyes and there was NOTHING he could do about it.

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What a rotten old fart.

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O - Word.

He disgusts me utterly. The complete rage and disbelief and contempt in his eyes the whole damn time just made me furious.

C-Span had a split screen - I saw every reaction on both faces. McLame was barely under control.

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Seriously, the only other person McClown's age who can make his eyes look like that is Charles Manson.

The ability to frighten small children should not be a prerequisite for the presidency.


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My gut feeling is that after this, McCain's going to close in a bit on the poll numbers. I don't think he won this debate on the issues, but if there were any people out there waiting for McCain to do something, McCain finally got aggressive tonight. I think the "undecideds" that are really McCain supporters sitting sideline will reward him for that.

That said, this debate changed nothing, and will have no substantive effect on the race.

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My thoughts exactly.

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McCain sneering at "health of the mother" exclusions was simply appalling, and it is going to come back and bite him solidly on the butt. Only the most extreme of the wingnuts oppose health of the mother exclusions for abortions. Sane people are going to see that sneering and be repulsed.

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When I was watching, at that moment I wanted Obama to attack McCain back with his own affiliation during the Ayers argument.

But now at the end of the debate it feels very different.

While McCain was attacking Obama's charecter, not by attacking but by remaining calm, composed and focused on the issues Obama displayed his strong charecter.

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Andrew Sullivan makes a prediction:

there will be YouTube mash-ups of McCain's facial reactions on the split screen. And they will have a longer life, for good or ill, than many of the substantive exchanges.

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Gregory and Mitchell want to Tire Swing so badly for McCain that it's painful

Tweety went right for the throat on McCain - the Woman's Health comment on Abortion was a moment that killed him.

Pat of course went for McCain, but he was pretty funny at the end that he picked McCain the last two times and the public went in the other direction for similar performances from Obama. It was as if Pat knew that Obama really won with the public.

Rachel was smooth in putting over McCain's start, and that he then went off the rails. While Gregory was trying to Tire Swing for the "I'm Not George Bush" line, she zeroed in on the Mother's Health issue as the big take away moment of the night. That was in a segment right before Tweety went off on it for the first time as well.

The Insta Polls are going to be interesting.

John

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omg..did anyone else see the 527 on CNN where a girl said she was raped and says Palin would make her carry the baby? it was brutal

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Brutal in the good, effective way, or brutal in a cringe worthy, not so effective way?

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brutal in a damn, Palin is an evil person kind of way

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CNN undecided group: Most think Obama won!

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I think it'll strike most viewers as so over-the-top as to be self-discrediting

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CNN Panel, Obama Won!

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McCain wanted you to know that Obama had a fine small business had to pay and pressed Obama for how much it would be. Surely this'll win the punters over.

When Obama said "Zero, the fine is zero" McCain sounded just like the large old woman at his rally who said Obama was an A-rab. "No?" she said? "Zero? he cried with a whimper?

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LOL. Great analogy.

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LOL! Thanks, I needed a good laugh :)

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McCain lost because nothing was said to change the trajectory of the race.

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Hillary on NBC: O is closing the deal and ending Bush's failed policy.
With majority in the House and White House, O will be able to move expeditiously to clean up Bush's mess. O has domonstrated calm, cool, collected demeanor and will will win for sure.

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She's really earned some brownie points here. She's ripping it!

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Good grief, FOX commentators calling it for Obama.

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CBS instant poll

Obama: 53%
McCain: 22%


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Wow. Bloodbath.

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Thank you. Everyone who thinks it was close is missing the point. People are not in the mood for personal attacks. They want someone cool,composed and has issues on mind.

Please takeoff your "leftwing blow for blow" hat for a second, people don't care about punch lines. It's time for solutions.

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Support's really crystallized at this point. Though McCain camp would like to hope each contest was evaluated in isolation, impressions from one debate carry over to the next.

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Did McCain really just say a major plank of his education platform is soldiers returning from Iraq and going straight into teaching, without even needing to pass an exam or become certified??

And that New Orleans is the model for US education reform?

Wow. You get the feeling he read Naomi Klein's disaster capitalism and it actually helped clarify his policies. McCain is phoning it in from bizarro world tonight.

He's throwing out a lot of crap, hoping something sticks. But his arguments just don't make any sense. McCain is incoherent, grumpy and attacking on everything, and just grasping pathetically at total non-gotchas.

Going out on a limb here: post debate polls will show Obama won this debate by the same 2/3 margins we've been seeing.

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Who knows. Maybe he's planning to turn the nation's educational system over to Blackwater.

(don't laugh; he'd probably do it)

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I am so glad the debates are over...I can't wait for October 29th when Senator Obama will address to the American people...

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CBS InstaPoll:

Who won?
53-22-24 Obama-McCain-Undecided

Undecided'd Making up their minds:

28% Now committed to Obama
14% Now committed to McCain
58% still uncommitted

If my memory is right, that's the biggest ass kicking so far in the CBS Insta Polls.


John

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I can never understand those "still uncommitted" people...

... that aside, I think it was a clear win for Obama. Pundits are saying it was McCain's best night of the three, but it was still not good enough at all.

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It doesn't matter, McPalin has no voice; They are out of MONEY!

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Joe the plumber just on CBS. Still undecided, but liked what McCain had to say on healthcare.

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Say it ain't so, Joe. The old man's got to go!

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The McCain Camp should give Joe The Plumber the rest of their campaign money to say he chooses McCain. That's all he has left.

The way McCain pushed Joe tonight makes me wonder if he was a plant.

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Just have to say that McCain's absolute low point was his dismissive comment about the "health of the mother" exception for late term abortions. My mouth dropped to the floor. Even if you are pro-life, you can't callously dismiss the health of the mother. Just an EPIC FAIL.

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The election is about the independents at the end.
It's O's night. See my comments above. On every issue, O won, by appealing to the the independents, not the base. At the base, a few may have have been disappointed, but they will still for him.

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CNN poll: Obama wins 58% - 31%!

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The Luntz focus group on FOX looks freaking brutal. Josh notes Greta looked heart broken. Ambinder: "Brit Hume did not seem happy to learn that." :)


John

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Elaborate, please. I did not watch Fox/Luntz.

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Ambinder:

"Four members of Frank Luntz's 23-person focus group switched to Obama. None switched to McCain. Brit Hume did not seem happy to learn that"

ThinkProgress:

"A โ€œclear majorityโ€ of Frank Luntzโ€™s focus group on Fox News said Obama won. (Ambinder: โ€œFour members of Frank Luntzโ€™s 23-person focus group switched to Obama. None switched to McCain. Brit Hume did not seem happy to learn that.โ€)"

John

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Ambinder:

"Four members of Frank Luntz's 23-person focus group switched to Obama. None switched to McCain. Brit Hume did not seem happy to learn that"

ThinkProgress:

"A โ€œclear majorityโ€ of Frank Luntzโ€™s focus group on Fox News said Obama won. (Ambinder: โ€œFour members of Frank Luntzโ€™s 23-person focus group switched to Obama. None switched to McCain. Brit Hume did not seem happy to learn that.โ€)"

John

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Just have to say that McCain's absolute low point was his dismissive comment about the "health of the mother" exception for late term abortions. My mouth dropped to the floor. Even if you are pro-life, you can't callously dismiss the health of the mother. Just an EPIC FAIL.

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That was just unfuckingbelieveable.

I'd also add his eye-roll at the mention of the Colombian labor leaders getting assassinated.

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McCain blew off "the health of the mother", equal pay for equal work as a "trial lawyers dream" and transplants as unnecessary coverage like cosmetic surgery - Quite the night.

And probably pissed all over teachers with his comment that there shouldn't be any professional certification for teachers, that soldiers returning from Iraq should go right into the classrooms...

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Yeah, he's really appealing to the those Hillary voters with all that.

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Yeah, he's really appealing to the those Hillary voters with all that.

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Another fine ass-kickin' by the gentlemen from Illinois. Booyah!

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Without raising a sweat. The old man fumed.

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I guess with McCain's responses to all this abortion stuff he's basically written off the independent vote? Am I the only one amazed that he actually used the term "pro-abortion" to describe Obama?

Although I guess he doesn't really have a choice. The right-wing base would freak out if he didn't come out strong against it.

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Sean Hannity poll

McCain 100
Obama 0

I guess we loose.

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Tee hee hee.

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Halperin gave McCain an A- and Obama a B+. Grading on the scale? I watched all three debates and I thought - contrary to the polls - that the first two were a draw. In both of those debates, Halperin thought Obama won. Tonight, I thought Obama cleaned McCain's clock. It wasn't even close. Yet Halperin thinks McCain won? What debate was he watching?

This was a clear Obama win. No if, ands, or buts.

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Co-sign. It was not even close.

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Katie Couric just interviewed Joe The Plumber (who's voting for McCain), who stated when he first met Obama and asked him questions he thought he (Obama) "tap danced almost like Sammy Davis Jr."


Ooops.

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People, I have to say this, after tonight's events:

Prepare for the landslide, because it's coming!

Now, it's up to us to make it happen.

And don't forget the goal to sweep congress too:
A majority of 60 in the Senate and a huge lead in the House are now really possible.

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Unclog this...

Joe the plumber is a schill for McCain. He's got some Faux style talking points going.

People need to find out "who is the real"...Joe?

Seriously the guy talks with Couric taking swipes at Obama, and then giving McCain some love. Somebody deflate this made up everyman like the average hockey mom got outed.

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I think theWalrus did just that a couple of posts above. I think Joe just flushed himself out as a racist.

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Josh just posted on McCain's weirdly smug and obnoxious comments about women's health in regards to abortion.

It reminded me of McCain characterizing Obama as naive because he wants wanting nuclear power to be "safe and clean or something" and that he'd "been on Navy ships with nuclear power, it's safe."

It's pretty clear McCain doesn't have any respect for the other side of the debate, or the other side of the aisle, or anyone not marching in lock step with McCain who is himself largely regurgitating hard right ideology.

Want provisions for women's health in late-term abortion law? McCain knows you're just a "pro-abortion" baby-killer throwing up disingenuous arguments. Concerned that nuclear power be "safe and clean" and again, you're just some tree-hugging hippie, probably a dope smoking dropout too. Because McCain knows none of these issues concern Joe Sixpacks like him.

:rolleyes:

This is the best the GOP has? Pathetic.

The party of ideas? Yeah, bad ideas from decades ago that have now been wholly repudiated. This makes our second Republican led experiment in laissez faire, ending in disaster. Religious fundamentalism and attacking secularism? Anti-intellectualism? Hostility to the environment and renewable energy? Aggressive FP, colonialism, and nation building at gunpoint?

What other ideas have the GOP had in the last 30 years? Seems every one has been a complete disaster.

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Is it me or does McCain keep talking about America needing to take a "nude erection"?

Oh, sorry, that was "new direction".

Silly me.

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He wants to beat Obama with his dead weapon!
Maybe not dead, just limp!

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I feel like the heaviest bureden is lifted off my shoulders. Debates worried me a little. Frankly, I assumed McCain will make Obama look "naive" or "unprepared" at some point. But in all the three debates, Obama presented himself as President-Ready.

I feel like a lil' kid dreading with stage fright for weeks, but did a good job when finally on stage. I feel free because I don't have to live with stage fright anymore.

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Right there with you. Didn't our guy do great though. I feel like a proud parent whose kid just aced the recital. Except of course, he's gonna be the boss.

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Josh just posted on McCain's weirdly smug and obnoxious comments about womens health in regards to abortion.

Reminiscentof McCain characterizing Obama as naive because he wants wanting nuclear power to be "safe and clean or something" and that he'd "been on Navy ships with nuclear power, it's safe."

It's pretty clear McCain doesn't have any respect for the other side of the debate, or the other side of the aisle, or anyone beside McCain. Who is himself largely regurgitating hard right ideology, and not very Mavericky. Just icky.

Want provisions for women's health in late-term abortion law? McCain knows you're just a "pro-abortion" baby-killer throwing up disingenuous arguments. Concerned that nuclear power be "safe and clean" and again, you're just some tree-hugging hippie, probably a dope smoking dropout too. Because McCain knows none of these issues concern Joe Sixpacks like him.

:rolleyes:

This is the best the GOP has? Pathetic.

The party of ideas? Yeah, bad ideas from decades ago that have now been wholly repudiated. This makes our second Republican led experiment in laissez faire, ending in disaster. Religious fundamentalism and attacking secularism? Anti-intellectualism? Hostility to the environment and renewable energy? Aggressive FP, colonialism, and nation building at gunpoint?

What other ideas have the GOP had in the last 30 years? Seems every one has been a complete disaster.

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Josh just posted on McCain's weirdly smug and obnoxious comments about womens health in regards to abortion.

Reminiscentof McCain characterizing Obama as naive because he wants wanting nuclear power to be "safe and clean or something" and that he'd "been on Navy ships with nuclear power, it's safe."

It's pretty clear McCain doesn't have any respect for the other side of the debate, or the other side of the aisle, or anyone beside McCain. Who is himself largely regurgitating hard right ideology, and not very Mavericky. Just icky.

Want provisions for women's health in late-term abortion law? McCain knows you're just a "pro-abortion" baby-killer throwing up disingenuous arguments. Concerned that nuclear power be "safe and clean" and again, you're just some tree-hugging hippie, probably a dope smoking dropout too. Because McCain knows none of these issues concern Joe Sixpacks like him.

:rolleyes:

This is the best the GOP has? Pathetic.

The party of ideas? Yeah, bad ideas from decades ago that have now been wholly repudiated. This makes our second Republican led experiment in laissez faire, ending in disaster. Religious fundamentalism and attacking secularism? Anti-intellectualism? Hostility to the environment and renewable energy? Aggressive FP, colonialism, and nation building at gunpoint?

What other ideas have the GOP had in the last 30 years? Seems every one has been a complete disaster.

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McCain ad out on Friday


Hi. I'm Joe and I'm a small business owner, dad, gun owner, and a great American.

I like Obama, but I like McCain better because he's...well I'm really a republican who voted for Bush twice so hell I just want to keep this shit going...

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McCains handlers told him to comeback with a solid response to every Obama answer (ie dont give Obama any ground) and everytime he did, it seems like he didn't know what to say....its like he forgot and fizzled...its like that feeling you know..of running to the restroom to take a dump and then losing the desire to take it once u get there

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McCains handlers told him to comeback with a solid response to every Obama answer (ie dont give Obama any ground) and everytime he did, it seems like he didn't know what to say....its like he forgot and fizzled...its like that feeling you know..of running to the restroom to take a dump and then losing the desire to take it once u get there

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McCains handlers told him to comeback with a solid response to every Obama answer (ie dont give Obama any ground) and everytime he did, it seems like he didn't know what to say....its like he forgot and fizzled...its like that feeling you know..of running to the restroom to take a dump and then losing the desire to take it once u get there

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McCains handlers told him to comeback with a solid response to every Obama answer (ie dont give Obama any ground) and everytime he did, it seems like he didn't know what to say....its like he forgot and fizzled...its like that feeling you know..of running to the restroom to take a dump and then losing the desire to take it once u get there

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McCains handlers told him to comeback with a solid response to every Obama answer (ie dont give Obama any ground) and everytime he did, it seems like he didn't know what to say....its like he forgot and fizzled...its like that feeling you know..of running to the restroom to take a dump and then losing the desire to take it once u get there

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Just my own observation, but any time McCain uses those funny little double-finger "quote marks" he loses that argument. Very dork-ish.

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One thing I would like to see is Obama making more of a point about the "old" McCain and the "new" McCain (using double-fingered quote marks, of course).

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Is it just me or is the McCain campaign attempting to turn Palin into a sex kitten in an effort to get more votes?

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