Bill Clinton: Economic Crisis Means Veep Choice Is More Important
Bill Clinton -- doing some powerful campaigning in Florida for the first time on Obama's behalf today -- laid out an interesting argument against McCain-Palin, claiming that the economy will consume so much of the new president's attention that the Veep will be forced to play a bigger role on the world stage...
From Bill's comments...
"Senator Obama has spoken a lot about how we oughta relate to the world, and yes, he'll get out and travel some in the first year, we should want him to do it. But he is going to have to be really focused on fixing this economy. That means that role of the Vice President in repairing quickly our relations with the rest of the world will be relatively more important in the first two years of the next presidency."And I am just telling you, you can talk to me or anybody else at any time in Washington, and they will tell you there is nobody, nobody in the entire United States senate that understands the political, the economic, and the security challenges and opportunities of the world better than Joe Biden does. He is a superb choice."
Impeccably timed by the Master, raising the stakes for the Veep choice right on the eve of the Veep debate.















3 words, Its About Time!
Maybe that McCain ad rubbed him the wrong way.
I doubt he likes to be used like that in a ad.
October 1, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill knows precisely what he's doing. Always has. He's talking to those on the fence. Those who don't like Obama and love the war hero McCain meme. Those who loved Hillary, and might hate Obama for being the spoiler. He's saying look... I don't like the guy either, but check out the alternative! VP is going to be VERY important; Economy; etc.
He's hitting the talking points. Always does. Let the man do his thing.
October 1, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Bill knows precisely what he's doing. Always has."
NOT!. Since when has Bill known what he does?. Should we ask Monica?. Why is a former president that openly lied to the public in the past-be received as if-he had any crediblility or integrity?.
And if since when is a private person divorced from his public persona?. Answer that if "Bill", has always known what he does. Clearly he does not always know where his parts are.
October 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Clinton doesn't know what he's doing? Never has?
Bill Clinton, Democrat, was elected to terms as president. Name one other Democrat who achieved that within since Carter.
You can't? 'Nuff said.
Otherwise, it is IMMORAL to lie by pretending to be a Democrat when in fact all your are is a WHINING REPUBLICAN.
October 5, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am fed up with clueless neophyte assholes.
Idiot: The Clintons, even if concerned ONLY with their/Hillary's political interest, ARE NOT -- NOT -- going to destroy their polticial FUTURES.
If you think the Clintons are stoopid, then it's you who are stupid.
GET OVER IT: Hillary lost fair-and-square, and after a brief period regrouping, they IMMEDIATELY came out swinging for Obama after a decent period of being stepped back from the fray.
Otherwise, it's not intelligent to be REPUBLICAN, and immoral to lie that you aren't.
October 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally.
We'll see if he can keep this up. I'm afraid that he'll revert to "I guess you can vote for Obama as long as you don't have the option of voting for my wife" endorsements.
October 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for your vote for imaginaries that are irrelevant, REPUBLICAN WHINER.
October 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now he needs to repeat this message on "The View," "Good Morning America," "This Week," etc., etc., and then we can begin - yet again - to forgive the hysterical egomaniac.
October 1, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who kicked Bill in the head? And can I get them to keep doing it?
October 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain and the Republicans. McCain for using Clinton in an attack ad, and the Republicans for trying to blame the Clinton White House for the current economic disaster.
(Chris Rock and SNL also called him out for his inability to emphatically endorse Obama as well)
October 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
OOo - Jonzie! I forgot about them blaming Clinton for the economic meltdown!
You're right you're right you're right!
October 1, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it is an awfully big target.
October 1, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
People got so upset about Clinton's comments post-convention.
I keep saying: if Clinton is Obama's biggest problem, Obama wins 500 EVs, easy. Let Clinton do his thing, I say. He still draws crowds - and the people he attracts go out and vote.
October 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the cliche goes, he's always at his best when he seems to be against the ropes.
October 1, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not those - but a couple of days ago he was doing the sideslip in interviews about Obama.
So it's not as far back as the convention - it's days.
He's done an about face, really.
October 1, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I disagree. Clinton is doing what he does best.
He's set up his campaigning by making nice with McCain for days. McCain's even used him in an ad. Now, Clinton is set up to make non-contradictory statements highlighting Obama as the superior candidate on the stump. And what's the McCain response? "Palin CAN help McCain on foreign policy"? Yeah, Bounds...good luck with that.
What surprises me more is that you don't think the Obama campaign didn't know what was coming with him. Were they lying when they said they were happy with Clinton?
Say it with me: "Bill Clinton is not the problem...Bill Clinton is not the problem..."
October 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, but what I saw of the interview disturbed me.
October 1, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know where you assholes get the idea that Clinton is stupid, and would destroy the possible political furture of the CLINTONS.
Bill Clinton won TWO TERMS as president. What other Democrat has done that since Carter? NONE.
Clinton is NOT STUIPID; you're just pissed that he isn't kissing ass. He WON those two times because he DOESN'T kiss ass.
AND because he is a consummate politican.
It's obvious he knows what he's doing better than do the second-guessiing know-it-all whiners.
October 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, wait, I though Bill sucked ass? Oh, wait that's just some whiners overreacting anytime he isn't using the day's preapproved talking points or is being civil to the opposing candidate (aren't we striving for a new kind of politics this year?).... See what happens when you let Bill use his own voice?
Bravo, Bill! I never had any doubts you would do a great job stumping for Obama!! Kudos for coming up with your own arguments for Obama, not just campaign talking points.
October 1, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could have skipped that interview where he would not answer the question of whether or not Obama is a great man or even if he's qualified and just kept saying what a great guy McLame is.
I don't harsh on Bill that much - but that interview was not good.
October 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, his expressed admiration for and identification with Sarah and Todd Palin before the economic crisis broke seemed to feed into the "politics of personality" driving the McCain campaign at the time.
Getting Clinton's robust and public support will help Obama, and, as Hillary's husband and a former president, he's the perfect messenger for this message.
Yet, as he can't seem to stop falling off the proverbial wagon, I'll reserve judgment on him for now.
October 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am with you. If Bill will stay righteous, then hallelujah! You couldn't ask for a better campaigner, hardly (I think Obama is, of course.)
October 1, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I agree it wasn't the best. But, not every interview is. I prefer to cut people some slack and see how they do in the long run. I'm glad I have, Bill hasn't been the best at times for Obama, but then you also get stuff like the Convention speech and stuff like this. Same with Hillary. Same with Russ Feingold. Same with numerous others. Give people some time to become effective advocates- it doesn't happen overnight and everyone has an off day or issues to overcome, etc.
That Bill is even doing this, Hillary too for that matter, is pretty huge, especially after the contentious primary. They didn't do much stuff like this for Kerry in '04, and they weren't even running against him. Pretty rare a former President does stuff like this for a candidate. So good on Bill, I say.
However, remembering the primary, I think this is a fair statement as well:
"Yet, as he can't seem to stop falling off the proverbial wagon, I'll reserve judgment on him for now."
Bill's pretty good on the stump though, so I think he'll (and we'll) be alright. Fingers crossed!
Oh, and this stump speech will get more air time than that interview ever did.
October 1, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huge point about the air time this stump speech (and he's doing a second one today in Florida) will get. And there is a lot to be said about last impressions.
October 1, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
God I hope so.
I love the Big Dawg. I really do - when he was prez I actually used to have erotic dreams about - Bill exudes sex.
But more than that, he exudes huge brains and huge charisma.
I hate to see him get publicly petulant - it makes me sad because I have always been a fan. And he has been publicly very petulant.
October 1, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a trick question on Brokaw's part. It would have been as impossible for Clinton to say, yeah I think Obama's a great man as it would have been for him to say, I'm a great man, or Mike Bloomberg's a great man. Or Joe Biden's a great man.
Some people just don't work that angle. But McCain has, so he's got the title. I think one of the only living American politicians who hasn't worked that angle and has just won the title because he is it is Jimmy Carter, but that's off the point.
Clinton handled it the best he could, saying he meant personal greatness. But he was on the hook and Brokaw wanted it that way. And Cinton was stumped. But it was a piece of crap question to begin with. What's "greatness" after the end of history? Only someone as old as Brokaw thinks the word has much real meaning besides media spin.
To Clinton's credit, what Brokaw wanted was for him to say yes, Obama's a great man so he could make a real jackass out of Clinton and then ask and why do you say that? And what would Clinton have said thent? He's a loving father and husband? He worked with Luger in Congress on controlling nukes?
He's not a Republican. You have to be a Republican to make crap like that fly.
And, I mean, Obama's a normal guy, he DOESN'T work that angle, so Clinton would've been left with egg all over his face -- which isn't to say he wasn't anyhow to a certain extent. But Brokaw would've taken it round and round.
He's a nasty old geezer that one. I hope they get him outta there right soon.
October 1, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, Bill Clinton should learn to STFU already!
Wait..
October 1, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
:o)
October 1, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ecery time I get ready to ignore him in despair, he gives me a reason to love.
That's an argument no one made so far,and spot on. I've a feeling Bill was pissed to see McCain compare Palin with him.
October 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given Bill's ego, I KNOW Bill was pissed. I'm sure as soon as Bill heard it he said "WTF? No he didn't." And Hillary was in the background saying "Oh, yes he did. He played you son!" And Barack, said "Word. You gonna let him play you like that? Damn, Bill. Not you. Not Bill Muthafuckin' Clinton. Not the Big Dawg. Where you at Bill?!?! Time to Represent son!"
And then Bill walked out on stage....
October 1, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! I love this comment to pieces!
October 1, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. I thought about dropping in Vernon Jordan, but he's way too cool to be a hype man.
October 1, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say what you want about Bill -- and we do -- he is smart as hell, and almost as powerful as Obama on the stump.
October 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, if Bill can't find a way to say anything good about Barack, I guess we will settle for a good word about Joe.
I would still prefer that Bill take his giant bruised ego off stage until Nov. 5.
October 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet Bill's snubbing of Obama and praise for McCain began to hit him where it hurt him the most. In the female 25-40 demographic.
October 1, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice.
October 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(that used to be known as "the first pair of Jordache acid-washed that stumbles out of the club...Bill's "demographic" so to speak.)
October 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is SO wrong in SO many way...
:)
October 1, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet it just feels SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good, doesn't it?
October 1, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, yeah!
October 1, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Snowman spoke.
People listened.
October 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Clinton attacking Palin? I guess he probably thinks that's the best way to rally the base...of the GOP.
October 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
...just keep rallying them it won't make any difference. What would this be their third or fourth base rally point this campaign? They get excited, then the campaign tanks, excited, tanks, excited, tanks- that poor GOP base, reaping what they sow. What goes up, must come down. The base doesn't matter. It's everyone else that thinks McCain is out of touch or Palin is unqualified. They eat stuff like this up.
October 1, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin as VP already secured and energized the base. Nothing Bill does can add or subtract from that.
Bill will help among skeptical white people and older people, although perhaps not as much with the latter group as the financial crisis and McCain's repeated attempts to privatize social security.
October 1, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill is such a boyfriend! You know, lovin' you up real good, then staying out all night cattin' around with some repug bitch, then just when you're getting ready to throw his stuff out in the yard, he shows up with roses and chocolates and that irresistible grin ....
So we take him back. He knew we would. 'Cause we always have and we always will.
October 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's put the FUN in our dysfunctional relationship for nigh onto 16 years. I'm wearing the deep bruises to prove it. (But he feels my pain, natch.)
October 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
L'shanah tovah to you and your avatar. Bella couldn't have said it better herself.
October 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great take, and I love the Bella Abzug avatar.
October 1, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bow in your direction. (-.-)(_ _)(-.-)
That is a brilliant analogy. Damn I wish I'd thought of that!
October 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was for KY Yellow Dog - he's such a boyfriend.
That's perfect for the Big Dawg. Perfect.
October 1, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks! Might reveal a little too much personal information, but what the hell. :-)
October 1, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're killing me...
October 1, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
One reason he was nice to McCain before:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/does-bill-clintons-new-sl_n_130887.html
October 1, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can buy that.
October 1, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I agree. Also, he's a former President- they are usually pretty hands off when it comes to other elections, except for the occasional speech at the Convention or endorsement.
October 1, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill was just irritating people because they didn't seem to get that he was trying to focus the election the same direction it was when he won back in 92. It's still the economy, stupid. Every time people thought he was being too negative toward Obama, he was focusing his comment to bring attention to the economy. If this election is about the economy, the democrats win in a LANDSLIDE, in both the presidential race and the congressional races. Look at the big picture, nationally, the democratic canidates ALL benefit if they can focus this on the economy.
October 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
And here I thought that Bill was just irritating people because... he's irritating.
October 1, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a new You Tube swing state ad I haven't seen listed on any sites yet unless I missed it from the National Nurses Organizing Committee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRY3njcGgWU&feature=bz302
October 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice try, but a sucky ad. The talking points appeared only as text, and they weren't there long enough to read them. Woulda helped to use bigger font, lose the text zooming, and not have more than one appear at a time.
October 1, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Big Dog v. Pit Bull. woot woot.
October 1, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Bill Clinton should not give any more interviews and just stay on the stump in Florida for the rest of the election.
He did a great job!!!
October 1, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
He could also swing by WV and change some minds.
October 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever Bill says against the other ticket that can translate into support for our ticket is okay with me.
Now, if Obama/Biden/Clinton can just stop talking about how great McStain's service was to our country, we'll be getting somewhere.
ENOUGH with the applause! McStain is proving more and more each day that whatever honor he had is gone. What needs to be say is that he's a liar, telling lies and covering those lies with more lies.
PEACE
October 1, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree completely on this point. The McCain campaign and the right in general are just dying to accuse Obama of attacking McCain's military service. Repeatedly praising McCain military service is one of the smartest things Obama has done this campaign.
October 1, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. While it grates, GRATES, to hear Obama praise McCain, he's completely removed that line of attack because he so frequently praises McCain.
Takes discipline to do that, I'd bet.
October 1, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I co-sign that.
There's no need to go there and it's practically a sacred cow. Give it lip service and move on.
October 1, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Acknowledging McSame's service makes all the other punches land that much harder.
October 1, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that Bubba didn't like being used in McCain's attack ad against Democrats.
Perhaps Bubba is saying it's time to strike back.
October 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Impeccably timed by the Master?"
Sounds to me like he would rather sing the praise hymns of Joe Biden then give compliment to Obama. It just appears tough for him to give full support to this guy. But, I suppose he did the best he could, with what he had to work with.
October 1, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what I was thinking. It is just much easier for him to praise Joe Biden, and in so doing, he helps Barack tremendously. Works for me.
October 1, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like Gov Plain poll numbers are not only going down across the country but in Alaska as well.
She doesnt even realize that she put her political career on the line when she joined McCain's campaign and now its affecting her popularity in Alaska.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003856855
October 1, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for this - and may I say that I consider editor&publisher one of the best sources anyone can rely on.
October 1, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not that it's going to keep the McCain camp from repeating the "80% approval" canard (and high-60s is still obviously very good).
October 1, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
High-sixties is only great compared to 28%. See what Palin and McCain do? Drag the median down far enough and a bs in sports journalism is just as good as a law degree from Harvard
October 1, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sad. I thought W. holding to 28% approval makes a sad statement. But Palin 80% and now 68%?
Sends shivers.
October 1, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
As troopergate heats up (if?), perhaps we'll see further degradation. Maybe we'll even have a shot at turning Alaska blue. More fingers crossed (I'm gonna have to go to toes pretty soon).
October 1, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has no peer on the stump.
Obama has no peer giving the big speech.
I think some commenters here are being uncharitable to Bill. He is working pretty hard for Obama. Could he show a little more enthusiasm? Yeah, probably, but it might appear more sincere to praise Obama/Biden sparingly.
By the way, where is djamo? She usually gets pretty testy when someone picks on Bill or Hill?
October 1, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
When you think about it .... that was pretty dumb of the McCain people, to put out an ad "using" Clinton just before he was to take to the campaign trail (something announced weeks ago). This is not a bear you want to poke! They don't think ahead very well, do they?
(And for the record, I don't have a problem with Clinton hesitating over saying that Obama is a 'great' man ...... that's an end-of-career, end-of-life statement, where what the person has done so far will remain great even if they do nothing but slip on banana peels from here on. So it can be said about McCain, despite what is happening now. Obama certainly shows promise of greatness but you can't know until later on. For example, pre-Monica people might more easily consider WJC to be a 'great' man .... now many see him probably thought of more as an extraordinarily gifted man who has great impact.)
October 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
hey, maybe he's not supporting mccain in '08 after all. or at least not today
October 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a bit off topic, but I would like to say, GO CUBS!
October 1, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck with that.
October 1, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm rooting for them, if only so Steve Bartman can walk the streets safely again.
October 1, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know:
What I have always appreciated/hated (especially during the primaries) about President Clinton is that he has a profound understanding of how some whites "occupy" racial identity. I suspect that/wonder if that is why he and "old-schoolers" like Vernon Jordan, Jesse Jackson, Andrew Young and others have been friends: They share that understanding/knowledge that younger folk don't think is necessary.
Clinton is saying to "fence-sitters" (maybe to some of that soft support of union members who don't "know" Obama): I know you're not quite ready to vote for a Black guy named Obama. But think about: He will be really focused on one or two things, and Joe Biden (you "know" him, right??) will probably be in charge of a lot of stuff. And you've seen Palin. You like her, but really: You know Joe.
So, go ahead and vote for Biden - and Obama.
I live in Atlanta, and one of the stories you hear all the time is how Andrew Young played this exact role during the Civil Rights Movement with white business leaders: I know you are suspicious of those more radical folk. But you can talk to me. It will be OK.
I'm not mad at Clinton. Whatever works...
October 1, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is also why I ultimately have come to see Biden as a brilliant choice.
I never thought that putting a woman on the ticket with the first black presidential candidate was a good idea because that is a radical ticket. It turns out (and I was against Biden at first - I didn't know him well) Biden may well have been the very best thing Obama could have done for himself.
Some white males who might think: I can't hand this country over to a black guy and a woman might be persuaded to think that handing it over to a black guy and a white guy with a lot of experience was acceptable.
October 1, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree about Biden's unspoken "Andrew Young" role on the ticket, and I think Obama planned it that way all along, the way he's planned everything out four steps ahead of everybody else.
I hate it, because as a torches-and-pitchforks radical myself, it kills me when the baby-steps moderates end up accomplishing more than the radicals do.
But Obama is unique: a genuine moderate who's going to achieve one of the most radical changes in this country's history.
October 1, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you radicals and moderates have all paved the way for this to happen. Congratulations and thanks!
October 1, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mind you, this speech isn't about Obama but it's darn good.
Clinton knocked the argument for Biden over Palin out of the park. If that's all he can bring himself to do in the coming days, it's good enough.
October 1, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shrewd. Just as The Right, and The Media are working to lower expectations for the VP debate, Bill shows why the expectations should in fact be higher.
October 1, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad someone's actually talking about Biden. So much of the talk on veeps has been focused on the strengths/weaknesses of Palin and it's nice to see Joe getting his due praise.
October 1, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT, but for those of you who earlier expressed concern over McCain's health and what was going on with his eye, Aravosis over at Americablog as a clip you might want to check out:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/slow-motion-video-of-mccains-facial.html
October 1, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oooo, nice clip. TIA's maybe?
October 1, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. Health concerns could be the last nail in the coffin of an ugly campaign.
October 1, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally, good job, Bill!
October 1, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is DirkVA - I think I just won a bet.
October 1, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really don't care what anyone says - you cannot send someone out to answer questions about the economic and security challenges and opportunities in the world who has memorized some facts but whose understanding of those facts is less than 1/2 inch deep and really say: they're going to win a debate against someone who has deep knowledge and something to base things on - who can think because he knows.
October 1, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is also this :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/does-bill-clintons-new-sl_n_130887.html
And instead of the apologies that one would expect, what do we see? More anti-Clinton grousing that it's about time, etc.
Sickening.
October 1, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a Bill Clinton fan. I wish I could vote for him again. But all your nasty remarks turn me off your man, who I will vote for. but before you get over thrilled with your wisdom do not forget you can alienate a lot of border Obama fans by attacking Clinton.
I will not vote for McCain but maybe I will just stay home if you are all so nasty. But do not panic, I am in Utah so what I do is irrelevant. But thee may be others that feel the same way where it matters.
October 1, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
With those sensitive feelings you just may be right for the job of GOP House Congressman.
October 1, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
Don't think it's going to help those bruised feelings, though.
October 1, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
O come here, baby - let me pet your little forehead and see if we can get you to feel better.
October 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know if you were petting my forehead I would definitely feel better!
October 1, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shorter Clinton: Vote for Biden (and that other guy)
He really doesn't like Obama, does he? Oh well, I guess it's better than nothing...
October 1, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
unless i missed something, it was obama who selected biden as his running mate -- so clinton's endorsement that there is no one better for the job IS direct praise for obama's judgment.
moreover, the fact that he is saying such strong things about biden as VP should discount all the crap from the right about how hillary would have been better.
October 1, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
He can't win. If he says Hillary would have been a great VP choice, he's sabotaging Obama. If he praises Biden the day before the VP debate, he's sabotaging Obama. Why don't you write out a script of what you want Bill to say and shove it up...an envelope and mail it to the Obama campaign? :)
BTW, I'm sure he said tons of positive stuff about Obama but they are focusing on Biden because of the debate.
October 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he said he would hit the stump for Obama and I always figured it would be in the last month, hitting the swing states in order to make the most impact.
And he's doin' it!
October 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Bill, I have been really P.O.'d, but this is the Bill I thought I knew. Keep at it :)
October 1, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yay! From one of Bill's biggest critics! :)
October 1, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill made the point today I have been harping on to my GOP friends. NOW, more than ever, we need to RAISE THE BAR regarding the VP. Bush has created such a mess, the President and the VP have to be scholars, critical thinkers, good organizers, articulate, have a well of knowledge that makes them fast on their feet, and not impulsive people but reasoned people. Neither McCain or Palin has good academic records, neither know much about law, neither know much about the economy, one is angry, one comes off as an airhead.
October 1, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The more I think about it, the more I think Bill does 2 things here. First he says that the president will need to focus on the economy (hint... who is better on the economy to be president?). Next, since the president is focused very much on national affairs, we'll need a VP who can fill in on the international (hint... not the lady from Alaska).
Thus he's neatly tied everything up in one package. His package in no way pans Obama. But it nicely sets up a positive frame for the VP debate and the importance of Joe's experience - repairing international ties.
October 1, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to say I told you so...........Bill's playin Big Dog to McCain's Mad Dog. He's THE GUY to knock the fence -sitters into Obama's camp. He's gonna help win this one in a big way. Hell, he just might win me over, and I've never been a fan. Thanks Bill, keep this up and I'll send Hill another $25 bucks. (as long as it's not for Mark Penn's daily McDonald's tab) To quote Dr Suess;" Go Dog,Go!
October 1, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
i will reserve judgement until i see a pattern of goodwill.......
and so the saga continues....
October 1, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
kind of a B.S. argument, but this is politics...B.S. is what it's about...
The president has a million things to do...it's not like he/she would be suddenly overwhelmed and have to slough things off to the VP...i'm sure it's always a job with an overwhelming amount of stuff to digest and deal with....
they can take this strategy if they want, but don't lose sight of the competence thing...just give her enough rope to hang herself. Press her to appear in more interviews, etc...
kiva
October 1, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has been campaigning for us & doing a bangup job, now Bill has stepped in just as he said he would. Two very good things. Please enjoy & appreciate, I know Obama does.
October 1, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
tpmreader99,
I've been out canvasing for Obama with fellow supporters since I decided for him during our Fl. primary. I'm not down with the Clinton hatred at all though. Obama is starting to remind me a bit of Jesus in that he's much easier to take than many of his most ardent followers. I think it would be pretty silly to not vote for Obama on that basis, however. We need to focus on what's important here.
October 1, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, yeah. I don't care what anyone says. I love me some Big Wicked Bill! The man may make you want to tear your hair out sometimes, but in the end, when the chips are down, when the shit hits the fan, when the rubber meets the road, HE NEVER DISAPPOINTS.
October 1, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin's "Brain to Nowhere":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQdCYlHVC70
October 1, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
This and other campaign appearances have been scheduled for weeks. Bill had his pal McCain speak at his Global Initiative thingy just one week ago. Seems like it is beyond the comprehension of many, but this "change" should have been expected and the only surprise to me is that he came up with a brilliant and timely way to highlight and get people thinking about Palin's profound weakness.
Thank you Bill!
October 1, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
The business about Biden being the international go-to-guy is patently silly on the face of it and Bill Clinton knows it. The world will not be waiting to see Joe's face much less hear him blather on.
Fortunately, no one will take that "suggestion" seriously so even though the argument is ridiculous, no one will care. All that matters is that Bill is making a case; it doesn't have to make any literal sense.
IMO, he's aiming blows at Palin's growing vulnerabilities among the electorate and weakening the McCain ticket from another direction that's very difficult for them to counter.
I was among the eyerollers at Bill's recent series of interviews but held fire until he hit the trail. With Bill Clinton, that's what counts.
"Hillary sent me" Bill was greeted like a "rock star". This time 'round he gets to campaign just for the pure fun of it all.
I'll say it again. No one does it better; no one loves it more.
October 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
..No one will take that "suggestion" seriously so even though the argument is ridiculous, no one will care."
No one will care? Biden is not my dream foreign policy guy but seriously...would you pick Palin or McCain or Cheney or Bush or Edwards or Huckabee or Guiliani or Romney or perhaps even Obama to have this kind of substantial responsibility over Biden. Biden is exceedingly competent.
That said...
He was a strong supporter of the invasion of Iraq and was talking about partitioning Iraq 2005-2007 or so. "Serious" in CW universe, but, I hope, he will not be one who has profound influence on or dictates (a la Cheney) policy in an Obama administration. Can he be helpful? Hell yes.
October 1, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
@kickbass.
Of course I would pick Obama over all those you mention, including Joe Biden.
Biden latest proud FP claim was that the nutso Saakshvili called him up to have him rush to Georgia to stand by his side while he pulled his boneheaded attack on Russian troops in South Ossetia.
The international community is aware that Saakashvili's stupidity has triggered a major mess so the fact that Biden is proud of his role in standing by this erratic wacko doesn't exactly enhance his, or our, international reputation.
But, my main point is, again, that the impact of Obama's election on repairing our image abroad needs to followed up by the man himself, not a surrogate.
Read the post by "Akin" from Qatar for a representative sample of what millions of people from all over the world are hoping for and then make the case that Biden is a preferable stand-in.
October 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Bill!
I was one of the Bill-bashers but I was wrong. I apologize to Clinton supporters.
I am not a diehard Obama supporter, but I was upset that Bill was hurting our chances for a Democratic victory. McCain's people did a foolish thing with that ad.
October 1, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Bill!
I was one of the Bill-bashers but I was wrong. I apologize to Clinton supporters.
I am not a diehard Obama supporter, but I was upset that Bill was hurting our chances for a Democratic victory. McCain's people did a foolish thing with that ad.
October 1, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
So if Bill had been doing what most of you wanted, and been an attack dog for Obama while ripping everything about McCain, do you think this statement would have the same impact? Bill has established himself as something of an observer of the campaign, presenting rational, yet bloodless analyses of the campaign. He always says Obama will win, but he doesn't gush about him being the greatest guy ever.
As Bill said recently, this isn't about whose feelings are hurt, it's about the future of America. He's reestablished his position as a former President, rather than being in the fray like he was whewn Hillary was running. That lends more weight to his comments now.
And I'll repeat what I said in another thread. Why is it that the people who are ready to crucify Bill for not campaigning as enthusiastically as they would like are strangely silent about the fact that we hear nothing from Jimmy Carter or Al Gore? I really believe it's because so many Obama supporters think Bill and Hillary somehow have to do penance for running against Obama.
October 1, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just happened onto this event on the 'tele' this afternoon. I didn't catch it all; but what I heard was good (Bill doing what he does best).
I was pleased.
October 1, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a powerful video. I loved it. President Bill Clinton drove it home. He made me proud.
I wished this whole video was on all of the stations.
POWERFUL! I LOVED IT!!! IT WAS INSPIRATIONAL!
October 2, 2008 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just as Bill did, some of us watching the US election from Qatar expect to see other well-meaning Americans come out to speak up for good governance in America. An opportunity for responible leadership is presenting itself in Obama. The whole world is waiting to see how this plays out ... in whose favour eventually?
Our world is getting more dangerous by the day. We have contended with terrorism and financial hardship. And nobody is genuinely stepping to help! The US has been a big brother to most nations, but events in the last eight years under Bush have been quite worrisome. If I was a US citizen, I would do my best to elect Obama. My instincts tell me he's the leader the world needs now.
Akin
Doha, Qatar
October 2, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink