Biden: Palin Must Condemn Ugly Slurs From Supporters
The Huffington Post catches the key moments from today's morning shows: Joe Biden threw down the gauntlet with Sarah Palin and demanded -- twice -- that she condemn the ugly slurs her supporters have been trafficking in at rallies.
"I watched the news and I heard a couple people hollering from the audience, semi-vile things about 'terrorists,' things like that," Biden said on NBC's Today Show. "The idea that a leading American politician who might be vice president of the United States would not just stop mid-sentence and turn and condemn that -- it's just a slippery slope, it's a place that we shouldn't be going."
On the other hand, it's pretty remarkable that she's a veep candidate at all, so we should hardly be expecting her to act like one. Meanwhile, here's Biden on Good Morning America:
"I mean, some of the stuff she's saying about Barack Obama and the stuff that people are yelling from the crowd, if she hears it, she should be at least be saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's overboard. But this is volatile stuff."
Of course, Palin herself is stoking such sentiments, so it seems unlikely that she'll suddenly demonstrate some decency and condemn them. Can't hurt for Biden to take on a leading role in pointing out Palin-McCain's daily descent into ever-lower depths of ugliness and sleaze, though.
good to hear this. But it reminded me of why I almost enjoyed the debate last night: Finally, nobody said, "I love McCain but..." Obama & Biden are finally learning that they don't have to keep complimenting a man who is trying to tear them down.
October 8, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice to have Biden back, and nicer still that he's schooling young Sarah on basic decorum. She needs all the help she can get.
October 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Biden is the one who should be going after them on this. Make McCain & Biden renounce these incidents and force them to watch what the fuck they say.
October 8, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean make McCain and Palin, not Biden, I assume?
October 8, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's awesome for Biden to talk about this - it shouldn't just be ignored.
The situation is nerve-wracking enough - I don't know anyone who isn't worried about Obama and this woman is whipping up just exactly the kind of incendiary bullshit that will sent some psycho off on some "mission from God."
She should be locked up!
October 8, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, he needs to put the pressure on her to tone down the rhetoric. When the Secret Service says they're looking into the "kill him!" response, it's time to get the pundits on your side and go after her.
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October 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well yes.
I totally co-sign - the Secret Service is taking this shit seriously - and thank god!
She knows what she's doing - hateful bitch.
October 8, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's an empty vessel of naked ambition, and we on the left need to see to it that she'll never again be allowed politically to overreach beyond the narrow confines of her isolated, arctic fiefdom.
October 8, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've got to agree with the "she knows what she's doing" comment. Just in watching her response to the crowds after spilling her bile, it's plain to see that she's enjoying the crowd's reaction.
My take is that she has no qualms about making these kinds of incendiary remarks because she's done the same in Alaska with little to no blow-back. The surprise that she has waiting for her is that she's now on a national stage with a national audience watching that has Google and YouTube at their fingertips. If her goal is 2012, as others here have mentioned, this stuff is going to come back on her in spades.
I'd also be curious to see what happens when all this is over and she has to face her electorate back home in Alaska. Will they be very forgiving of the things she's done in the name of winning? I think not.
October 8, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
O hell - she doesn't - that's why she's out there. She puts her head on one side - so cute, so kittenish - smiles so sweetly and says that hateful shit - of course she knows what she's doing - this is her forte - this is what she does and it's all she does.
Miss congeniality? No - miss hides-her-real-hatefulness-behind-her-adorableness -
I know this woman - you cannot trust women like this - really, take notes - never trust a woman who comes on like butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. My mother taught me that - and she was totally right!
October 8, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasilla Rose?
October 8, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes - that's very apt.
But the type is everywhere in Southern Baptist circles, which means they are everywhere in the south - it is really amazing how southern in sensibility Alaska seems to be.
I am serious as shit - y'all know this woman - she's the one who as a girl was cheerleader but acted very sweetly to the unpopular kids while she was sticking the knife in their backs and twisting it.
She's a horror in high heels. Women like this make women look just like shit.
October 8, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everything about her screams Southern except the voice, Tena.
That damned accent really grates on Texas ears.
October 8, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got that -
October 8, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Minnesotan, her kind of nasally twang reminds me of a far northern MN accent -- which I also find very irritating.
October 8, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not so much Southern, I think, as small-town religious fundamentalist. Sure, the South has a lot of those, but they're not exclusively a Southern type.
October 8, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree - it's just that I grew up around a whole lot of Southern Baptists.
;)
October 8, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's sort of a George W. Bush meets Mean Girls kind of thing.
October 8, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something I was reading about Palin -- and I wish I could remember where; was it maybe the New Yorker article a couple of weeks ago? -- said that this is the real source of her high school nickname "Sarah Barracuda". It's not because of her aggressive play against other teams on the basketball court; her teammates gave her that nickname because of her knife-in-the-back aggression against them.
She used all that winkin' blinkin' flirty crap to kiss up to the coach, and then made sure to point out to him every mistake other team members made. The result, according to someone who knew her back then, was that she got a lot more playing time that her playing ability really deserved.
And she's still getting more playing time than her abilities deserve. I'm eager to see her benched.
October 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't seen anything about the Secret Svc. going after this. Did you see that somewhere?
BTW, nice blog Danny. Cool design - good posts. I'll bookmark it.
October 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
seconded
October 8, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks guys. I saw the secret service report on Countdown last night, but haven't looked for a hard copy report.
October 8, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just what we need...more character pathology in the executive branch. It's exasperating, but my hatred of her blunts - at least slightly - my hatred of Bush and Cheney. At least they wouldn't foment fire-in-a-theater speech and react with no conscience. She is a moral cipher, an utter witch. Guess that spell didn't work, up there in Iglootown.
October 8, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, what am I talking about? I forgot about the Brooks Brothers revolt. OK, I'm back to my senses. Hate them all!
October 8, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, please don't call her a witch! I'll bet if you did a poll you would find that most real witches in this country are liberal Democrats and very nice people. Like me!
October 8, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear!Hear!!!
October 9, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
GO JOE!!!! Tell her to stop the hatin'!
October 8, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Joe is showing her who is a statesman and who is in a state...
October 8, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
These polls today are starting to worry me - McCain is creeping up again.
October 8, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
No big deal. We now have a brand new news cycle to factor in: tanking stock amrket and a successful debate. I doubt we'll see a more tightening after Thursday.
October 8, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Relax. Zogby is terrible. Hotline/Diego changed there party ID unexplicable to make it only +2 D (I think it is 40(D)38(R)18(I)). And most importantly, all of the movement is within the polls' respective MOE. Could be statistical noise.
Tomorrow we will know what impact, if any, the debate had. In the meantime, enjoy the day.
October 8, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention that the national trackers don't break out by state just where the movement is coming from. I agree with Publicola, but I also bet that Palin's attacks are pulling some juice out of Stupidfuckistan.
Better numbers out of these places are not going to help McCain, but they do affect the aggregate numbers in a national tracker.
October 8, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do me a favor - don't look at polls for changes in a 24 hour period - please - Let Eric do that for you.
;)
October 8, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, not concerned at all. The one I rely on most is Rasmussen because a) he always shows the most stability, either way, b) he re-weights his party ID breakdown each week, c) he has a good sample size (1000 a day), and d) his current party ID gap - +6 Dem - is probably pretty close to reality, and maybe about 1pt low for the Dems. Since 9/26 in Rasmussen, Obama has been between 52 and 50 and McCain has been at 44-45. Today is no different. Keep your eye on that one one, with a secondary look at Gallup, although they've been known to a) consistently poll low for Obama mid-week and b) be more susceptible to big swings based on short-term events. (eg - Obama's Europe trip; the Palin bubble) I like the R2K poll as well because Markos actually shows the individual three day numbers and all the other internals. But I think the +9 Dem party ID lead is a bit high.
I think what we're seeing here is people stepping away from the ledge after standing right at the edge in the 2-3 days following the veep debate. With the focus shifted back to McCain, some of those undecideds who like McCain but are scared to death of Palin feel a bit more comfortable returing to the McCain fold. I don't think any of this tightening has anything to do with Ayers attacks. And I think that other than the first two weeks after she was announced as the veep pick - ie, before the veil was lifted - Palin has become a net negative for McCain. Whenever she's in the spotlight - the Gibson/Couric interviews, Saturday evenings, the veep debate - the polls move even more strongly in Obama's direction. The wingnuts think the Sarah 24/7 will help McCain. I think they're dead wrong. And at this point, I don't think anything can help McCain.
Look for the debate reax to move the numbers back towards Obama.
October 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even in the polls that are close, McCain is stuck in that 43-45% range. He's not bringing any people into his camp. It is more like people leaning Obama and then leaning undecided. I think the debate will get the numbers back up.
October 8, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice analysis. Thanks!
October 8, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude. Check this out from the Hotline poll:
They're TIED, on the economy?
That's total and utter bullshit. And contradicts every damn poll out there. So why are you worried?
October 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome back Joe. And thanks.
October 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Palin is teetering on the brink of fascist demagoguery. We've had enough assassinations in this country to know what can happen when we encourage and provoke the most bigoted, violent segments of society. Biden is quite right--she had better start taking responsibility for her actions. Or there'll be the devil to pay.
October 8, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
He should go on to say that if Palin/McCain do not condemn these slurs, the media should do their part and not be a megaphone for this dangerous hate speech.
October 8, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly the right thing to say.
October 8, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign both of you.
And I rather think the press agrees at this point - they're fucking pissed about being attacked. And should be and how stupid is a campaign that goes after the press like this? How stupid do you have to be to cut off the goddamn hand that feeds you?
October 8, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
They have an obligation to protect their employees. And they should send them to work at any mcShame Vendetta Events ONLY if they are provided with flack jackets and helmets.
That, together with reporting what they're doing, and reporting on the demagoguery, should do the trick.
October 8, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good job Joe!
They must be called out on this crap now.
October 8, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you didn't catch it on a previous thread...Biden is on NOW by the way.
October 8, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Given the frenzy she's also whipping up against the press--and the fact that she was given multiple chances to talk about all this on the morning bobblehead shows this a.m. but again declined to appear--I'm wondering how long it might be before the press starts discussing her irresponsibility publicly.
Milbank hinted at it yesterday. If Palin won't tamp it down, it's at least in the public interest that the press point that out.
October 8, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Part of that Good Morning America interview was also freaking hilarious. They showed Biden a clip from SNL of an impersonator attacking 'crazy McCain'. Biden couldn't even comment after seeing it, just minutes of tear-streaming laughter. They said after the interview ended that he couldn't say anything straight for awhile after that, he just kept laughing.
I think it's great to see a candidate just being himself sometime.
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
The impersonator was impersonating Biden.
October 8, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
That Joe Biden stuff on SNL was hilarious when he was going off on McCain being unstable and all. I was dying laughing.
God bless SNL.
October 8, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
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October 8, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who ever thought that it was appealing to people to put a woman in front of a microphone and she gets all adorable while spouting hate speech? Who thought that was a working formula?
October 8, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
This guy HERE is responsible.
October 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
O that's priceless. It would be good if they hadn't sequed Gramm into it but his remarks are what puts it over the top to just excellent!
October 8, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't mind him. He's from France.
October 8, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rove and Cheney
October 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not so sure it isn't. Obviously she tanks with independents but she still pulls a crowd from the base. Most importantly from the McCain campaign's point of view, she tends to dominate the news cycle when she does this kind of crap. That's what they want. It seems to be lost on them that it isn't helping them with teh electorate that will decide the election but as a tactic, it seems to work and that, apparently, is all they care about.
October 8, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's their base -
Who cares? She appeals to the completely loony 25-26%.
Jeez - so what?
October 8, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares? Well obviously the answer to that question is the McCain campaign. I assume you are aware of that. If the question is more - why should they care - the answer to that is not so simple or obvious but it is not entirely surprising that the McCain campaign would make a decision that would attract the Republican base. They cannot win without that after all.
October 8, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Their base is not enough to win, either. Which is my point.
October 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right and my point is that the base isn't sufficient but it is necessary. So as to why they are putting Palin out there, which was your original question, the answer, in part, is that she helps them with the base which they need to have if they have even the slimmest of chances. There is some evidence that she actually turns off independent voters and there is a lot of evidence that she clearly doesn't attract them but for the McCain campaign they probably feel as if they don't have much choice strategically.
Its like a team that has a quarterback with a strong arm that turns the ball over a lot. There is a decent chance that he may lose the game for you or but he also may be the only chance that you have to win.
October 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The adorable fascist thing is bizarre. Her persona reminds me of Chuckie, the horror movie doll.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3376258048/tt0094862
October 8, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"adorable fascist" - o how I wish I'd said that - that is close to perfect.
October 8, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
She even has Brigette Bardot issuing a statement of condemnation about her!
October 8, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Biden actually concerned or just looking to score points?
The latter most likely. He's a lifelong politician.
Biden is a concern troll.
October 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I speak for all of us when I say:
Huh?
October 8, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
tellmemore is fogu2 reincarnated.
October 8, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sadly, yes.
October 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, given that he's going to be standing next to Obama quite a bit in the next few years(see what I did there?), I'd say he's got cause to be concerned that some psycho will commit an act of violence, encouraged by the sorts of comments and statements that Biden is complaining about.
He, quite literally, has skin in the game.
October 8, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Couldn't have said it better myself.
October 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin is an embarrassment to her generation (Generation Jones, born 1954-1965, between the Boomers and Xers). Thankfully, Obama is also a GenJoneser, and makes us proud. Biden and McCain are both Silent Generation members. Biden is completely right in his comments about Palin stoking hatred and bigotry; of course, she should explicitly discourage those hateful comments.
The generational component is quite important in thsi election; don't miss this new 5 minute video which features around 25 top pundits (including David Brooks, Clarence Page, Juan Williams, Karen Tunulty, Michael Steele, etc.) discussing the surprisingly large role GenJones is playing in this election:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ta_Du5K0jk
October 8, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
As long as you realize that those labels are not intrinsic, but artificial and imposed - then ok.
If you really think this country is divided up by generations then you need to spend more time with real people.
;)
October 8, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
All she needs is a pair of lederhosen, her hair in pigtails and a swastika armband.
October 8, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
October 8, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of Palin. My wife sent me this earlier this morning. It got buried in another thread I think.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m285/mellis28/SarahPalindebateflowchart.jpg
You people are too quick and I'm always wondering why nobody is posting anymore!!!
October 8, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please drop this woman from NRO a line, her email address goes right to writing her. She is so off the mark and needs to be told so. She is not even close on the issue and should not be writing about it, that is for sure. Very short read.
Re: Debate, health care and Obama's mother.
October 8, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Link:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGE0ZWY0NWIxNzI4YjllNzk2Yjk1NDc2YzUxMjFkMzM=
October 8, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see no reason to draw any attention to that obscure blog comment. Ignore her. It is just another small National Review blogger having a brain fart.
Why make a mountain out of a mole hill, that most people will never even have noticed.
October 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I have a real problem with making comments public.
They aren't intended that way and it's a troubling trend - if we start down that road, then we no longer are free to say whatever the fuck on these boards -
I've been popped with that - a troll took something I said in a comment years ago and gave it to a liberal blogger who was on a tear about liberal hate speech. I emailed the guy and told him that he'd fallen for a troll trick, but he was nasty to me and published the partial comment. I'll never forgive him. It was the cartoonist Tom Toles and I hate his guts for that.
I don't like publicizing comments.
October 8, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I respect that viewpoint. However, I believe, on the flip side, when people get enough "you are full of crap" emails they will think a bit more the next time they write about that issue.
October 8, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link! Here's my letter to Lisa:
There seems to be some confusion about Obama's health care plan. He is proposing that every American citizen be allowed to buy into the same health care plan that John McCain and Barack Obama enjoy as members of the Senate. It won't matter where they live, or what kind of job they have, all will be eligible, even those with pre-existing conditions.
If the health plan for government employees is good enough for John McCain, surely it's good enough for the rest of us, especially those who have wrestled with unethical insurance companies, trying to get proper reimbursement and/or coverage.
If the health plan for government employes is good enough for John McCain, it's good enough for the rest of us, especially those who have wrestled with unethical insurance companies, trying to get proper reimbursement and/or coverage.
October 8, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great new ad on health care (my issue, in case you cannot tell.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/mccains-health-care-plan_n_132921.html
October 8, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The script of a Palin event
PALIN: "Ummmm, like, Barack, like, hangs out with....terrorists?? Like, I know some of you think that's, like, awesome and all, but, you know, John McCain will never coddle terrorists. And, like, no terrorist would ever come over for cookies and coffee in MY living room!"
CROWD: "Terrorist! Traitor! Kill!"
PALIN" Ummm, huh?? Did, like, someone say something out there that I'm pretending I didn't hear and therefore don't have put a stop to it? Huhhh?"
October 8, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew Sullivan makes a point that the networks and cable outlets should consider: no coverage of Palin's rallies until she does a press conference.
She hates the media that much? Fine. Let her campaign without any coverage.
October 8, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM is attracted to Palin like a moth to a flame. They can't help themselves. She is Marshall Mcluhan's poster child.
October 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeahbut... but... ratings? Ratings, man, ratings!
How many of us morbidly tune to watch that stuff - or analysis of that stuff - if only to verify our opinions of her or to collect ammunition for later arguments against her character?
Mmm ratings.
October 9, 2008 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
After this election and McCain's lost, the GOP will dump Palin like a hot plate. They know that this woman was the wrong choice but for now they will have to use her as a tool to fool the fools.
October 8, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
No more media coverage for Palin, let her come begging to be interviewed.
October 8, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
co-sign, starting with CT -
Let her preach in a vacuum.
October 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ion, you are absolutely right! Even after her defeat in November, Sarah Palin will keep coming back like a bad case of herpes. She is the consummate conniver and manipulator who believes that she is fit to be president. Had McCain not catapulted her over the heads of qualified politicians, she'd likely have gotten lost in the mass of politicians clawing their way to the top of the heap. We must keep pressure on the Alaska legislature to go forward with "Troopergate" as well as her email abuses and tax evasion. We don't need her kind in positions of power. If Alaskans think she is so wonderful, fine. They can keep her.
October 8, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, she won't.
There is nothing there - we've seen it all, she's boring, the public will tire of her, the press will start ignoring her and when the election is over, Sarah Palin is cold product.
October 8, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The good news:
After her loss, she will have the stench of defeat following her around.
Plus, her net favorability ratings are the lowest of all 4 candidates.
I think she's finished on a national level, at least for elected office (vs. appointment or RNC work).
October 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
She'll get a gig as a commentator on Fox News.
October 8, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Burrrrn.
October 9, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome back, Joe, you were missed!!
This crap Palin is playing with is appalling and needs to be stomped on with all possible speed. It's the only language these people understand.
October 8, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Btw.....how do I get an avatar???
October 8, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Click the EDIT word in the MY PROFILE (EDIT) link at the top of the page. There's a field in the form that lets you upload your photo.
You have to make it 64 pixels wide. Photoshop works; other tools work, too.
October 8, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks!!
October 8, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Media's too in love with her to stop covering her - she's a ratings boost on cable networks, so they'll always be talking about her...good or bad.
October 8, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope.
As soon as this is over, Sarah is cold product. You want to make a bet?
She's gonna disappear so fast it will give her whiplash.
October 8, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You missed ME? Time to expand some horizons. :-)
I'm kidding, guys!!
October 8, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say it's volatile stuff, condemn the shit, sure.
But please, let's make this the main point:
The sleaze is all they have! And it's only working as a way to keep the most rabid of their base interested enough to turn out and vote.
The country and world is going to shit, and McCain/Palin have nothing to offer except attacks.
And who's talking about solutions? THAT one!
October 8, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the undecided electorate is bombarded with information overload there is really on one main distinction to be make on a policy level.
Obama believes government is the solution to everything.
McCain believe government is the solution to some things.
The rest will be decided on personal character issues, not the tone of the campaigns.
October 8, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
O my gosh and gollies- we have a prophet on the thread!
O do tell us more. I'm interested in these things you say - do you perhaps have a pamphlet you could send me?
October 8, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you sure you don't mean:
"we have a 3.Profit!!! on the thread"?
October 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
2. ???
October 8, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's some pretty simplistic bullcrap, there.
October 8, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Attorney: Palin Must Now Be Investigated for Incitement
(Article here).
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October 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know it aggravated folks when Biden and Obama were so insistent on expressing their admiration or, in Biden's case, genuine affection for John McCain ---- but it had the advantage of being true (and something I think they needed to do for themselves) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY it gives a great deal more weight to Biden's words now.
It's firmly set in everyone's mind that Biden especially thinks McCain is a good person and honorable but simply wrong-headed ...... SO for him to now say that McCain's campaign is being dishonorable and dangerous it has a lot more impact than the same old standard one politician bad-mouthing another one.
He's absolutely right to speak up -- softly but enough to put it on the table. And, frankly, I believe that the Secret Service *announced* (which they don't usually do) they were investigating at threat (of a type they probably rarely investigate) for precisely the same reason .... to signal that this is damn serious stuff and the campaign better tamp it down.
I was sick, sick, sick to my stomach yesterday when you could see the hate taking hold and the heat being turned up ------ and even sicker to know that Palin and her handlers didn't care at all, had no thought or concern about what could result from their actions. Please send her back to Alaska!!
October 8, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
American politics has crossed the line when top-of-the-ticket candidates repeatedly use inflamatory language, receive repeated incendiary responses from their crowd, and fail to rebuke the reactions. It is well within all our memories the years of organized "neo-nazi"-style violence and disaffected right wing activists that culminated in the Oklahoma City Bombing -- and I deeply fear for the country the irresponsible rousing of these sentiments.
On the third day, after national spotlights demand comment, still no official campaign statement?
Unless the McCain campaign denounces this behavior from their followers, they are letting their silence speak for itself.
October 8, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tellmemore! Tellme more! Cuz' he sounds like a drag!
Ughhhh you can even tell by his syntax that tellmemore is just fogu with a new name.
OHHHHH LOOK EVERYONE! I'M A NEW PERSON!
October 8, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it smells like fogu . . .
October 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess fogu2 finally found out he can just create a new account since he was supposedly banned.
October 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome. I think the ugliness of the McCain campaign is going o turn off even more people.
Who wants to be associated with David Duke style hate rallies????
October 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't the TrooperGate report coming out on Friday. I'm certain a lot of this hateful rhetoric is aimed at deflecting that potential fiasco.
October 8, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin's approval rating in Alaska has declined from 80% to 60%. I'm sure this is at least partially due to the fact that she has become a national embarrassment.
October 8, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
At a rally a few weeks back, some idiots were carrying around Sarah the Rivoter signs, (as in Rosie the Rivoter). I notified the Rosie Trust, the people who hold the rights to the Rosie image. I haven't heard anything about this, but I also haven't seen the image since.
There was a story on Alternet today about how Palin represents everything that has gone wrong with America in the past 35 years. So true, so true.
October 8, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain refers to his supporters as My fellow prisoners!
October 9, 2008 5:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keith Olbermann tears Palin a new A#$!
October 9, 2008 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink