Biden On Robo-Slime: "John, Stop These Calls!"
Some must-watch video: Joe Biden positively erupts on the campaign trail in Colorado today, hammering away at John McCain over robo-slime-gate and demanding that McCain "bring down those robocalls!"...
"If he's really serious when he said this morning on one of the shows that this election is all about the economy, then I say, `John, stop your ads. Bring down those robocalls,'" Biden bellowed. "If it's about the economy, argue the economy!"
Biden built to his climax: "John, stop these calls!"
Thus using McCain's robo-slime to reinforce the Obama camp's chosen frame for the final month of the race: Anytime McCain steers the discussion towards Obama's bio or character, it's only because he's afraid to debate the economy. It's a frame that shows no signs of cracking or weakening.
STOP
October 21, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
THESE
October 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
NEWS
(oops)
CALLS!!!!
October 21, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
YOU BETCHA!!!
October 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
CRAZY, HATEFUL FUCKERS ON THE REPUBLICAN TICKET
(sorry, i know that's not what you were looking for)
October 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
BEFORE WE BUST A CAP IN YA, LIKE A FREAKIN MOOSE!
October 21, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
BEFORE WE BUST A CAP IN YA, LIKE A FREAKIN MOOSE!
October 21, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Powerful stuff. The smartness of his selection for VP becomes clearer and clearer everyday.
October 21, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
No doubt about it. Smart, powerful speaker, adept at shovling McCowpie's excrement right back in their pile (while smiling and pointing out how their shit pile fails to address the things we all care about). Yep, he's the real deal.
Honestly, how the #@%$ is McClampett-Pornublican riding at 42%? Gakk!
October 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
exactamente
October 22, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go Joe!
OT: NBC/WSJ Poll - 52 O 42 M
October 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, let me channel McCain's campaign.
Those numbers are clearly an outlier, because it's been patently obvious that both NBC and the Wall Street Journal are in the tank for Obama.
Second, BRADLEY EFFECT BRADLEY EFFECT BRADLEY EFFECT BRADLEY EFFECT.
So, taking into account the tankage factor interacting with Bradley, the actual numbers are O 46, M 44. It's all tied up, in other words.
October 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
In other words, as Stewart said last night, JM will be the President of the United States.
October 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mean "real" America...LOL...Sorry for a pause.
October 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the clarification, kash, because I was just sitting there thinking "Jon Stewart said that? Really???"
: )
October 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
But I was told that the race is DEFINITELY tightening. Hell, McCain is taking Pennsylvania. That's what I heard, so this poll MUST be wrong. Can't be right. No way, no how.
October 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
New NBC/WSJ poll BO 52 JM 42
October 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jinx!
October 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jill Biden?
I think I have a crush on your husband...
October 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, this man can command.
October 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great stuff Joe !!
Compare that to this, she just talks and talks, and always ends up losing her point.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.sitroom/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
October 21, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Energy independance - that's been my forte'.
That sentence combines two languages. She's bi-lingual.
We underestimate her at our own peril.
October 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
October 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup yup. A little language monkeying around gives you points.
What if she'd said 'mi forte'? Spanish too? Wow!!!
October 21, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
What if she said "my piano forte"? Yet another language, AND musical, AND intrinsically contradictory.
October 22, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can't lose a point one doesn't have.
October 21, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, Bravo TPM!!!
October 21, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that at some point, TPM also covers Joe's poor comments of yesterday that handed McCain some talking points. These comments aren't that obscure as they were covered in the NY Times.
October 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
bullshit. that was "Straight Talk." at least one ticket is giving it to us.
the first WTC bombing was shortly after a new president took office.
9-11 was shortly after a new president took office.
joe's just tellin' it like it is.
October 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You betcha!
And that's not traction McCain is gaining - those are skid marks leading to the crash of the McCain-Palin Hatemobile.
October 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden's only mistake was looking ahead, not at the election: talking about an Obama administration and what it was likely to encounter. Assuring supporters that Obama is more than equal to the challenge.
Because he didn't mention McCain, the Reps are taking this to mean that he was implying Obama was 1) more likely to call forth a crisis than McCain and/or 2) that Obama wouldn't be able to handle a crisis as well as McCain. But of course they will take anything uttered, cherry-pick the words, and spin it, so their interpretation really doesn't count. -- I haven't been able to get a full, in context, transcript but to me it's pretty apparent that he wasn't mentioning McCain because, to him, McCain simply isn't very relevant any more.
The bottom line is that EITHER man is going to be hit with an international crisis soon after taking office and the only question for the voters is which one they think will handle it best. I think Colin Powell has figured out the answer to *that.*
But, to clear things up, why doesn't someone simply ask Biden if he thinks there will also be a challenge if McCain is elected and whether he thinks Obama or McCain will be able to handle a crisis. I suspect his answer would be rather direct and unequivocal.
October 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good points, Elizabeth, as I mentioned to you on the other thread. Although, it's beginning to look more and more polarized around here. Again, did TPM cover these other remarks? Or is it that there is only a certain type of story for here?
The editorial board here used to be a bit more probing in my humble opinion. I dunno. Maybe I'm just burned out.
October 21, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a kid Joe Biden stuttered. Today, there are times his brain overruns his mouth and he "gaffes". But reporters love him because he's a breath of fresh air. He's UNSCRIPTED.
So shove it, "clearthinker".
October 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a kid Joe Biden stuttered. Today, there are times his brain overruns his mouth and he "gaffes". But reporters love him because he's a breath of fresh air. He's UNSCRIPTED.
So shove it, "clearthinker".
October 21, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a kid Joe Biden stuttered. Today, there are times his brain overruns his mouth and he "gaffes". But reporters love him because he's a breath of fresh air. He's UNSCRIPTED.
So shove it, "clearthinker".
October 21, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a kid Joe Biden stuttered. Today, there are times his brain overruns his mouth and he "gaffes". But reporters love him because he's a breath of fresh air. He's UNSCRIPTED.
So shove it, "clearthinker".
October 21, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The man sounds so hokey.
Am I the only one who still thinks Obama could have picked someone much better than Biden?
October 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes, you are.
October 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like who?
October 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! Really! Who? He is the real deal! Who better?
October 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schweitzer, Sebelius, or Clark. Obviously the media made sure the last one didn't happen with their orgy over his POW comments.
I know Biden was a governing choice but still he's been a dud on the trail. An attack dog he is not. He cannot seperate his personal friendship with McCain with the traditional role of VP candidate.
October 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're not watching the same race, bub.
October 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're full of it, Tyler. Seriously. That comment about Biden not being an attack dog, and unable to separate himself from McCain strike me as coming from someone who hasn't seen much of Biden on the trail.
He's been all over McCain. He practically said "I dare you John, to bring up Ayers"...for one example.
Biden has been good.
October 21, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well put. I mean, just the attack dog part should be a giveaway.
October 21, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think his ability to attack is *enhanced* by his friendship. More of a pitbull than ol' whatshername...
October 21, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
AIYEEEE -
I would just as soon not put any more retired military in the White House.
Schweitzer? I don't even know what his politics are. My husband would not vote for Clark.
And a ticket consisting of the first black male candidate and the first woman veep candidate is entirely too radical a ticket.
Obama did the perfect thing - and I was totally totally against Joe Biden.
October 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schweitzer Who the hell is he????
October 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The goddamn general in charge of the First Gulf War under Bush senior, for chrissake!
October 21, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least, that's who I'm thinking of -
October 21, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, I thought you were going for some deep snark there, Tena...
October 21, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean Stormin' Norman?
(Schwartzkopf?)
October 21, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Governor of Montana. I liked him and he was high on my list, however he was up for re-election this year and didn't seem to want to risk losing the Governor's spot. He had a helluva speech at the convention, probably should have been the keynote.
October 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's right - I forgot about him. The dude with the crewcut.
It's Gen. Sweicker, I think, anyway. But he just jumped right into my head for some reason.
October 21, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What if Obama puts Powell into a Cabinet position?
October 21, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
What attack dog moves would make him more effective? McSchlumpf and Company are attacking themselves just fine. With Michelle "Bile Spewer" Bachmann on their side, they are doing most of the attack-hyena work themselves.
October 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clark has no governing experience and has had far more scathing comments about Barack during the primary. Sebelius just doesn't scream attack dog and frankly she's got a great shot of taking one of the Senate seats once her governorship is over. As for Schweitzer, I don't know enough about him to have an opinion.
October 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Clarke too. But all of them, you'll agree, have shortcomings. There is no "ideal" VP candidate.
Infact, as it seems, if this election boils down to Obama defending PA- no one better than a Old White Guy from Scranton who still takes train home every day.
More importantly, Biden is a better choice for governance. Winning is one thing but I like Biden's choice more for governing.
October 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
See that's how I came to see Biden at first - he was the perfect choice to offset any of the so-called white working class male nervousness about Obama.
A woman from Kansas would never have been able to do that for him. And Clarke - I don't know. He's just not there for me - I can't exactly say why, but he just doesn't do anything for me at all.
October 21, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep.
October 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope.
As far as foreign policy goes, there is no one better.
He was the right choice.
October 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hokey? I don't see it Tyler. Especially compared to the opposition.
I like the way he speaks, but that could be my East Coast bias. Plus, he's a foreign policy expert, and that was what O thought was needed at the time.
All in all, I don't find him hokey, and I can't think of a better choice.
October 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is just what was needed, and I was SO hoping Obama would pick him as I thought they would compliment each other.
October 21, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Al Bundy uses the Obama website tax calculator - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99HzP6BQm5Y
October 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is why Joe Biden was an inspired VP choice.
October 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get Joe some Ricola throat drops - Honey Lemon with Echinacea is my favorite when canvassing and phone banking. Then Ben & Jerry's for dinner.
He lifts my spirits, despite the periodical gaffes.
October 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will put our Joe up against their Joe the Tax-Dodging Skinhead Trick-or-Treating as a Plumber any time any where.
October 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go Joe! God he is AWESOME, just AWESOME.
October 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gazing over to the map on the right, I like my Georgia Peaches with a little pink hue....
October 21, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does that map look different or what? The red is shrinking.
Wooooo Hooooooooooooo!!!!
October 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great new independent Pro-Obama ad running in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQVlNgdn2_Y
October 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one! Thanks for sharing.
October 21, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was good!!
October 21, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hah! That's awesome.
Carl Reiner is hilarious--love the wink....
October 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not just funny, but kinda touching. I like it. Thanks for the tip, Jonze.
October 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a couple more available at http://www.aintfunny.org/
The best comment is in the one titled Grandchildren - "I got the chance to vote Roosevelt and I'm still talking about it today - Obama is your guy".
October 21, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that's a great day ender. Thanks Jonze.
October 21, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto.
Loves me some Reiners...
October 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I went to the site, and all the ads are good.
http://aintfunny.org/
Good on those Hollywood liberals.
October 21, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the best I've ever seen!
October 21, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well fuck me! I just learned there is no Troopergate. Turns out it's actually "Tasergate".
How could we have been so wrong?
October 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're first mistake was watching CNN (assuming you're watching the Palin infomercial that is). CNN is Murdoch's credible wing of his right wing propaganda news empire.
October 21, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's Amelie's fault. I clicked on the link she posted above. After that I couldn't stop myself.
October 21, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love me some Joe Biden!
October 21, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Always telling the truth in a political campaign is a great test of character."
--John McCain
October 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, honesty is no virtue if the voters are in the tank for your opponent.
--McCain Campaign 2008
October 21, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Revenge of the robocalls!
Here's what's coming out of Wisconsin (Green Bay - a relatively conservative part of the state):
http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=139545
(note - if you go to the link you can also hear the call)-
A full script follows:
Hi this is Jeri Watermolen, calling for the Campaign for Change. I live in Green Bay and, like you, I've been getting sleazy phone calls and mail from John McCain and his supporters viciously - and falsely - attacking Barack Obama. I used to support John McCain because he honorably served our country - but this year he's running a dishonorable campaign. We know McCain will continue many of Bush's policies, and now he's using George Bush's divisive tactics. In fact, he hired the Bush strategists whose attacks even McCain once called hateful. Barack Obama will turn the page on these negative politics and stand up for the middle class. That's the change we need, and it's why I have changed my mind about John McCain. Join me in voting for Barack Obama.
October 21, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Biden spits hot fire.
October 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone read that great anecdote on TNR about an Obama voter in SW Kansas. It truly made me spit up my coffee I was laughing so hard.
October 22, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink