Behind "Peanut Butter And Jelly" Joke, A Deadly Serious Effort To Paint McCain As Extreme On Economy
A quick thought on Obama's appearance today in Raleigh, where he mocked McCain's efforts to paint him as a closet socialist by confessing to his Marxist leanings in Kindergarten.
The levity masks something that is deadly serious. This represents a real effort to push back against the McCain-Palin attacks, by reminding people that Obama is the one who is solidly in the mainstream on the economy, while painting McCain as the extreme one.
As one Democrat noted to me today, the Obama campaign is well aware that McCain's attacks on Obama as "redistributionist," as absurd as they are, continue to get attention in the national media. McCain's portrayal of Obama's economic plan as extreme leftism hadn't yet met with sustained push-back from the Obama team -- they tried talking about Joe the Plumber but soon dropped that line.
Today's "kindergarten" and "peanut butter and jelly" hit seems like a pretty solid effort to get serious about defusing the "socialism" charge with a bid for the center on the economy and a reminder that McCain's views are the extreme ones.
Obama is using gentle humor and some un-threatening imagery to do this. He's reminding folks that McCain's efforts to paint the basic and thoroughly uncontroversial government function of redistribution (not to say the proposed tax hikes on the very rich) as frighteningly Marxist or socialist is about as wild-eyed and radical as sounding the commie alarm about kids sharing toys.
The battle here is over who gets to define the center, which in the real world is inhabited by Obama, and who succeeds in marginalizing the other as extreme. Barack Obama is probably the greatest public communicator in decades, so it's worth keeping in mind that beneath the jokes a very serious and high stakes game is often being played.















"so it's worth keeping in mind that beneath the jokes a very serious and high stakes game is often being played."
Well, yeah. The whole world is watching. We're working our butts off. We know this is more than a joke.
But it's nice to smile while we see the game. It beats name-calling.
October 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Greg is mocking our critical thinking skills?
October 29, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really can't wait now for Nov 4th so I can bring my 9 and 7 year old bi-racial children (I'm white, mom is Jamaican) into the voting booth with me and have them jointly pull the lever for the first black President of the US.
October 29, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice!
October 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dammit! No crying at work!
October 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I FEEL YA!!
I was just looking at that link under the AMAZING photos of Obama blog on TPM to the right and one caption brought tears to my eyes.
The one where they cab driver in SC said he took his son with him to vote for Obama so he would know that he TOO could be President one day!!
I sincerely feel that non-minorities just do not grasp fully the magnitude of what Obama is doing for our sons and daughters. They have never had to deal with the relentless onslaught of negative stereotypes and images that pervade American culture when it comes to be a black person and especially a black male...that life is pre-ordained for your child not to a full citizen or ever respected by society at large. Prominent figures have been primarily NOTORIOUS especially on the evening Six o'clock news. Messages you have to fight against to motivate your child. Such that you have to teach them defensive social strategies to cope with the challenges they face...just so they can have a great self-esteem. This is HUGE!!
These children for the first time in their lifes will see the majority of non-minority society RESPECT and LISTEN to a person of color as a LEADER. Are there numerous other examples of achievement by blacks..YES!! But many of those positions are PUBLIC, doctors, lawyers, teachers and politicians do not command the respect of the NATION and the world.
This is validation beyond our dreams for our children and what they face, no matter how much better it has been in the past 40 years.
NOTHING tops the POWERful images of Obama standing in front of throngs of Americans of all ages, sizes, colors and ethnicities and LEADING.
This is what it means to be American!
Rosa sat so Martin could walk
Barack is running so all children can FLY!
Opportunity is real and it is true...now go out there and work your butt off cause YES. WE. CAN!!
Obama/Biden 08
October 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I FEEL YA!!
I was just looking at that link under the AMAZING photos of Obama blog on TPM to the right and one caption brought tears to my eyes.
The one where they cab driver in SC said he took his son with him to vote for Obama so he would know that he TOO could be President one day!!
I sincerely feel that non-minorities just do not grasp fully the magnitude of what Obama is doing for our sons and daughters. They have never had to deal with the relentless onslaught of negative stereotypes and images that pervade American culture when it comes to be a black person and especially a black male...that life is pre-ordained for your child not to a full citizen or ever respected by society at large. Prominent figures have been primarily NOTORIOUS especially on the evening Six o'clock news. Messages you have to fight against to motivate your child. Such that you have to teach them defensive social strategies to cope with the challenges they face...just so they can have a great self-esteem. This is HUGE!!
These children for the first time in their lifes will see the majority of non-minority society RESPECT and LISTEN to a person of color as a LEADER. Are there numerous other examples of achievement by blacks..YES!! But many of those positions are PUBLIC, doctors, lawyers, teachers and politicians do not command the respect of the NATION and the world.
This is validation beyond our dreams for our children and what they face, no matter how much better it has been in the past 40 years.
NOTHING tops the POWERful images of Obama standing in front of throngs of Americans of all ages, sizes, colors and ethnicities and LEADING.
This is what it means to be American!
Rosa sat so Martin could walk
Barack is running so all children can FLY!
Opportunity is real and it is true...now go out there and work your butt off cause YES. WE. CAN!!
Obama/Biden 08
October 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just as sincerely believe that I do get that and lots of non-minorities do, too.
I really do get it - it's like a cosmic shift - it's beyond huge, I know.
That's part of what made me want to support the man to start with - this is so way overdue.
And it makes me cry every time I think about it - I want this for you and your children more than I can say. The fact that I believe he is a great man and will be a great president is the main reason I support him - but part of it is that I want this for you and your children and everybody's children.
October 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it is sooo moving...I get tears and goosebumps when I see those images of those childrens faces looking at Obama..it just wrenches my heart to know how starved their little spirits are for dignity and respect. The work we parents have to do to keep them full of hope and confidence is such a huge job.
yes, Tena, this is bigger than anything.
The vast majority of public images these kids get of folks like them are overwhelming in their negativity ..their little minds are shaped and distorted so much from having to swim upstream just to be considered not ignorant not dumb...you know...it's not as though they get the praise and acknowledge that yes you are bright, yes you can do this, they simply get...o you not ignorant.
It reminds me of MLK when he wrote that letter from Birmingham jail and was asked why...he said he did it for his kids. He said it just crushed him when Yolanda asked him why she could not swim in the pool and he gave her the answer he had to but he said ..he could see clouds forming in the blue skies of her mind as he told her the reality of being a Negro in the South.
such a loss of human potential, such a waste of opportunity that has gone on for so long and deterred so many from reaching for all they could be because many, many, many, childrens spirits are just now strong enough to swim against the universal tide of ..you black, you stupid, you dumb, you a drug dealer if you have a nice home or car...
I am praying and hoping and wishing and working and fighting and going to the polls.
It is time for America to TURN the PAGE.
..sorry for the soapbox..but those kids faces just reduce me to tears
October 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't speak for anyone else, but I believe I get it too. I was looking at the pictures Brett Marty posted from NC (brettmarty.com, from fivethirtyeight.com) and I cried. There is so much hope and pride in those faces, people who look like they finally feel they have a voice and they matter and they will be counted. I want that, and I want to feed it and watch it thrive and grow until it can't be destroyed ever again.
October 29, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The other day I had a conversation with a Beijing friend and I mentioned that Barack Obama was leading in the presidential race:
She: Obama? But he’s the black man, isn’t he?
Me: Yes, exactly.
She: But surely a black man couldn’t become president of the United States?
Me: It looks as if he’ll be elected.
She: But president? That’s such an important job! In America, I thought blacks were janitors and laborers.
Me: No, blacks have all kinds of jobs.
She: What do white people think about that, about getting a black president? Are they upset? Are they angry?
Me: No, of course not! If Obama is elected, it’ll be because white people voted for him.
[Long pause.]
She: Really? Unbelievable! What an amazing country!
We’re beginning to get a sense of how Barack Obama’s political success could change global perceptions of the United States, redefining the American “brand” to be less about Guantánamo and more about equality.
...
Nick Kristof-
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/opinion/23kristof.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
October 30, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. You go!
My daughter is soooo close to being able to vote... and she's soooo pissed that she not old enough. So even though she can't vote, she's gonna be working the polls on Tuesday. Daddy's so proud - Kid, you rock.
October 29, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beautiful. Just imagine what a difference it will make to our children when they see President of the United States, Barack Obama, on television. That realization will be a tsunami over this nation. When parents, teachers and clergy tell their children they can be anything, they can finally believe it.
October 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
What he really needs to do is expose these attacks for the racist dog whistle they are. John Judis gets it (see front page of TPM). He's saying what I've said here for a week. "Redistributionist" and "Socialist" is code for "He's going to take your money and give it to lazy, shiftless black people".
October 29, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
No shit, Sherlock. The trolls give that away if nothing else did since that's what they are openly saying now.
October 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
The other part of the code is that they are trying to reprise the images of the Black Panthers People's movement as well in their mind. That is the underlying 'socialism' theme as well.
October 29, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's also arguably a pre-emptive attack on Obama's healthcare plan. McCain has lots of insurance industry lobbyists on his staff, and tossing around "socialist" during the campaign may make "socialized medicine" resonate more next spring.
(No, I don't think McCain is a skilled enough campaigner to plan that, but I definitely think those lobbyists are.)
October 29, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am pretty sure I've got the lazy and shiftless part down cold. How do I get classified as black...is Palin's tanning bed available?
October 29, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the double post, but Sarah's hypocrisy is so delicious, I just had to share!
Kos writes:
>blockquote
The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that "we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs."
October 29, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
A point I tried to make in a blog post I wrote earlier is that the Republicans are not starting from zero here. Over the last eight to twelve years, they've already managed to get a substantial chunk of their base--white working class conservatives--convinced that progressive taxation is immoral and bordering on communism. The idea may be new and entertainingly absurd to bloggers and reporters and people inside the Beltway, but to a lot of rural working class white conservatives, he's just repeating something they already fervantly believe.
October 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you, but I would argue that this has been going on far longer than then last 12 years...this started with the Reagan revolution in 1980.
"Anyone? Anyone? Something 'd' 'o' 'o' economics...voodoo economics."
October 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doo-doo economics
October 29, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check out the whole story on the Cuban Americans who were surrounded by an angry mob:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
October 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope like hell this story spreads through the Cuban American community and I think it will.
October 29, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking that too. And it happened in Miami.
October 29, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not just that McCain is going negative, his campaign is whipping people up into a frenzy of irrational hatred for Obama. If those attitudes continue, it will make it that much more difficult for him to govern.
While McCain is entitled to his own point of view as to what direction the nation should be going in, he's behaving irresponsibly, to the point of being (dare I say it?) unpatriotic.
October 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes...John Lewis said it!! They are inciting HATE!
CNN is suspect in my book as they have no entertainment on the entire network. YeT, the week before the election they are airing DLHughley with his stepinfetchit, minstrel negative stereotypes of blacks being shiftless, lazy and ignorant.
How coincidental is it that a news organization known GLOBALLY for 'news you can trust' is airing this trash defiling blacks YET they REJECTED Obama's have hour ad request for a substantive policy under the auspices of their 'politically programming?'
This is an outrage.
CNN is perpetuating negative stereotypes to the world right when a man of color is on the precipice of being the first minority to be President and the LEADER of the Free world?
We did not get any half hour hillbilly comedy hours the week before Bush was elected!
Hate and messages of negative images that perpetuate the THAT ONE demagogery are not coincidental.
CNN thinks they are slick.
October 29, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
That still disturbs the heck outta me. Also disappointing was the response. It really would have just been a time to lean back and note coolly and casually (with an expression of mildly-surprised bemusement), "That one? I have a name, John."
October 29, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's just all sit back and watch in unified glee as all of the "non sticking" shit McCain and "Palin De Rogue" threw to the wall comes back through the fan blow up right in their faces!
SPLAT!
October 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just don't want to win, I want to bury their sorry asses in a landslide.
October 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too.
October 29, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me three.
October 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Abso-frickin-lutely.
October 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agreed.
October 29, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It only took O-bambi two and half years to push back on this tack aggressively. Sheesh! Is he trying to lose the election?
October 29, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
O yeah definitely, trying to lose - that's why he's ahead.
October 29, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait! Is the election today?
October 29, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love when people criticize the best run campaign I've ever seen, and I've been through seven presidential campaigns that I've followed closely.
So you are suggesting that Obama should have been aggressive all along? (Not certain where the 2 1/2 years comes from). And if he had he'd be up by, what, 43 points in the polls?
This is a perfectly paced campaign, and I'm glad it's being run as it is.
October 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
With regard to the two and a half years, please see: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole)
1) This is been a wonderfully run campaign. A couple of missteps, but overall, well run.
2) The 'socialist' tack is exactly the kind of thing that works low-information voters, you know, the kind who work off the old axioms (Dem = tax and spend, welfare, etc....). By not countering earlier, and effectively, Obama has allowed this meme to seep into the minds of undecideds (a.k.a morons). Obama is losing ground on the economy, if you believe the movement of the last 4-5 days in the trackers.
3) Obama seems to be letting up, just before the finish line. Pound McCain a little more before easing off on the rhetoric. I'm not the only one that thinks this (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/10/28/why-i-m-still-sweating-an-obama-victory.aspx).
October 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
To tell you the truth, you lost me with the "Obambi" comment.
And you need to work on your hyperbole skills. Pretty weak stuff.
October 29, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you're easily distracted by shiny objects, eh?
October 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get it. You like fights, and that's fine. But your shit is weak.
Bye for now.
October 29, 2008 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two and a half years?
What calendar are you using?
October 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
a special calendar known only to a select few like stilton.
October 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
FYI: Its the same calendar used by the people who think Obama's narrowing lead in today's polls indicative of how the vote will turnout a week from now.
October 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, McCain's campign reminds of the end of THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER - when the Russian trying to blow up Sean Connery's submarine fires a missile that eventually comes back to blow up his own submarine.
I'm watching it the other night (Blu-ray, of course!) and that analogy hit me like a brick to the head! That's exactly what is happening here!
October 29, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, it's not the Hunt for Red October; it's the last scenes of the Exorcist. The head is spinning around and around, the demons are spewing vomit and profanities everywhere, but, in the end, you know the demons will be cast out.
October 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing that I don't like about this is the rebuttal is too easy. McCain will simply say, "well Obama is free to share his sandwich, but we don't need him to share out money". The line almost writes itself, and feeds into the theme that McCain has been pushing.
Hopefully, there's more behind this line, as there hasn't been much that Obama has done on the stump that hasn't been well thought through. But whatever it is, it needs to play out quickly. There's only six days left, which is just enough time for McCain's push to eat at Obama's lead on the margins without significant pushback. It's probably not enough to lose the election, but it could cost Obama a couple red states that he's currently in line to win right now.
October 29, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
To me the subtext is that we teach children to share.
For anyone who's ever raised a child or taught children, we always teach them to share.
It forces people back to a primitive place, to earliest lessons in life. This is very powerful, subliminal stuff.
I continue to be in awe of this campaign. They find ways to defend and even attack without being nasty or condescending. Masterful!
October 29, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very well put Thera.
October 29, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
:)
October 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's well put, but that won't mean anything with McCain pushing the "he's taking our money and giving it to the darkies" message he's pushing. Obama probably needs to short circuit that, or we're back to the Kerry + IA, NM, CO map. Which is all we need, but I'd love to see this thing turn into a complete laugher.
Not to mention, there's a lot of noise about voter purges in Colorado. I'd rather not let it come to that. This meme is puncturable, and I see that Obama is taking it seriously. But I think we'll need more then "even kids share" to puncture it now that it's gaining momentum.
October 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said. If those folks have children, they get it. If they care about their kids futures, they get it. If they are truly 'christian' they GET it!!
October 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a lot of if's...
I'm not trying to concern troll. I'm just being realistic here. These emotions run deep, and McCain is finally figuring out how to tap into that. It's probably too late to lose, unless he goes completely nuclear (destroying himself in the process). But I'd love to win NC, and Indy, and Ohio, and cruise in PA, and kick Saxby Chambliss out on his ass, and McCain's message is starting to damage that possibility.
October 29, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think there's another parallel line here. If you read George Lakoff, he describes the schism in America as not between conservative and liberal, but between the "dominant father" and "nurturing parent" paradigm. No need to point out which party appeals to which. But we all have parts of both models in our personality. By evoking the nurturing parent part of our personality he's subtly pulling people toward a worldview that favors him.
Also, there aren't too many people who haven't read the "All I need to know I learned in kindergarten" story by Robert Fulghum. Mentioning kindergarten is a pretty clever way of triggering that memory.
October 29, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You guys gotta check out O'Relly's electoral map:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/29/11202/363/710/645087
He has McCain up 189 to 183 with Oregon, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and New Mexico as tossups
October 29, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
O'Rielly has never been known for his smarts.
What is he known for now that I think about it?
October 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Self-loathing?
Seriously, just like the people he loves to castigate the most, he's famous for being famous. And he knows it.
October 29, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
No wonder Olbermann refers to him as "Billo the Clown."
LOL!
October 29, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Iowa, New Mexico and Minnesota? McLame's pulled his ads out of Minnesota.
There's no way in hell he wins New Mexico.
O'Lielly also is having a fit over ratings and claims there is a conspiracy cause he's falling below Keith and Rachel in the ratings.
He's fucking nuts - why is he allowed out in public without an attendant?
October 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was just about to post this.
If Michigan and Oregon are tossups, so are Alabama and Utah.
October 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, yup! Lived in all four states, too, and seen the politics up close and personal.
BillO's probably really mapping out his Nielson ratings plan for regaining the high ground over KO and Rachel and got the title of the map wrong.
October 29, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Texas.
October 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
i saw that on Kos. i was cracking up.
October 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
can you say rose tinted glasses? It's like the hype before the 2006 election that the Republicans were going to be fine. Except this time the hype's pretty freaking transparent.
October 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember all of Rove's predictions in '06? Remember that and everyone was freaked?
Me too.
October 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rove's a nimrod. I can't believe people still listen to him.
October 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't either and I hope to god liberals will finally get that Rove is not a big scary monsterbrain who will always keep us down.
October 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill O'Reilly's Falafel electoral map of the US??
Gee, O'Reilly - why not add Illinois to that list? I'm sure McCain can make up 25 points in six days, just like he'll make up the 15 points Obama has on him in Michigan and the 9 or 10 Obama has on him in Iowa!
October 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't claim it was stolen by ACORN after its over if you weren't claiming it was close before the vote.
October 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
His inability to understand us--as well as get along with his colleagues--is why we chased his ass out of Oregon decades ago. His failed career as a local news journalist is legendary--and laughable.
If BillO'Lies thinks Oregon is a toss-up, maybe he should've gotten that journalism degree after all. It might do him some good.
October 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
FUCKING THING SUCKS!
October 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! I don't care how many times I see that...it still cracks me up.
October 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Minnesota?
MCCAIN?????
LMAO!!!
October 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually think he's trying to build a post-election narrative. How much do you want to bet that after the election, he starts up the theme of: those liburls and ACORN stole the election again. He'll talk about Karl Rove and his 2006, and how big a "shock" that was.
He's in the process of doing that right now. Now that Olbermann has caught his demo ratings, he's outright claiming on air that Nielson is conspiring to make MSNBC's ratings better. He's totally paranoid, and it's starting to bleed through on air.
I almost want to start watching him just to see him crack up on air.
October 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
All they've got left to try and motivate people to vote is the pretense that this is close.
October 29, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well this is truly interesting hyperRevue. It is nothing to laugh about he is listing:
Oregon, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and New Mexico
I think we all need to check how many of these 'tossups' were part of the DOJ scandal. Do these states have 'interim AG's? The 08 election was the entire point of that scam, if you recall. The base of the issue was voter suppression, fraud and prosecutors willing to press the vote. Iglesias was in New Mexico, right? Isn' that Heather Wilson's state who was the one calling David?
I know that MN received one of those new AG's after the old one was run off.
Can't figure how he would have IA on that list, but wasn't there a new AG appointed in WI.
I do not underestimate the GOP and FOX news is the first choice to deliver their talking points.
This smells fishy.
October 29, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
One way to frame this:
Did the economy do better under Bush, or under Clinton?
So would you rather have taxes be more like they were under Bush, or under Clinton?
October 29, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe, "Did you do better under Bush, or under Clinton?"
October 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the Dems need to talk more about Palin's efforts to redistribute wealth in Alaska. Here is a quote from Think Progress attributed to Palin:
Case closed.
October 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I have thought this from jump. the only problem is that it is Big Oil's wealth and most folks can't stand BigOil...but it certainly undercuts Ms.Reformerers message.
October 29, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Took me about five seconds after they started the "socialist/wealth distributor" attacks to realize that it was all code for, "he's going to give money to poor black people."
Outside of the very wealthy, the one income bracket where Obama tends to struggle the most is with the $50-75K group. It's where you find your plumbers, your contractors, cops, nurses, plant supervisors, bus drivers, military professionals, etc. A large majority are white. These people make enough to live comfortably but they work hard for it and there is always a cloud of insecurity hanging over them - they're a layoff away from big trouble. They don't get any government assistance because they make too much money but they also don't benefit from the Bush tax benefits that have been lavished upon the upper income levels. Their investments, if they have any, are in underfunded 401k or college savings plans.
In my experience, these are the people who, when they feel economic heat, are quickest and the most likely to blame the country's and their own personal fiscal woes on illegal immigrants and freeloading blacks. Some of it's outright racism, some of it is soft bigotry. But in many cases, it's just lashing out at an easy scapegoat/target. And while it's never right to do this, you can understand how some of them may react this way when times are tough.
This is who McCain and co. are targeting as they lay charges of socialism and wealth distribution on Obama. Most of these people couldn't define socialism if you asked them, nor do they really realize that our entire tax system is built around wealth redistribution - both up and down, to states, to schools, to the military, etc. But they for damned sure don't want their money going to pay for emergency room bills for illegal immigrants or food stamps for lazy black folks.
And bonus for the McCain campaign - sadly, it's a lot easier for them to get these people on their side because, well, Obama's black - he's obviously going to help his people. (ie - blacks)
The irony, of course, is that these same people a) will never be in the top 5%....NEVER, and b) would do MUCH better under Obama's - or and Democrat's - tax/economic policies than they would under a Republican administration/Congress. And the number of poor/working/middle class white people who would benefit under the Obama tax plan is MUCH, MUCH larger than the number of poor minorities who would similarly benefit.
It's great that Obama is highlighting just how ridiculous these charges are. It's the best defense he has, along with pounding home the fact that 95% of American families (households making under $250K) will do better under his tax plan.
October 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not even code anymore. It's the gist of his campaign.
Watch this ad, and tell me why the only person of color to appear in that ad spoke that particular line in that particular manner of speaking. A line that he didn't finish, but had someone else finish for him.
We're way past code at this point.
October 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the "What's the matter with Kansas?" problem. These people ought to be Democrats, but the R's have convinced them that the reason all their jobs are gone isn't because they've closed all the factories and moved them to Texas or China. Noooo, THAT can't be it!!! It's affirmative action! Yeah, that's it! All those lazy undeserving black people took your jobs (or replace "jobs" with anything else you're unhappy about losing out on). That must be why black unemployment is virtually nil and why you can't hardly find a white face in corporate boardrooms anymore.
You'd think the fact that the people spinning this yarn are the same people who moved the factories would be a tipoff. Maybe people are starting to get it.
October 29, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lead expanding in state polls and narrowing in nationwide polls. Can someone explain?
Also, I agree this is just softball. I think socialist meme, surprisingly, has gained more traction than expected. Time for a few hard hitting ads.
But we're steeling in a good place, looks like we're placed to win easily.
October 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just ignore the national tightening -
That's what I'm doing - it's been doing this off and on for weeks to no real detriment to Obama who stays steady in the states.
October 29, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
There really hasn't been any tightening. The oscillation seems to come from a few one-off polls who report less often and who also appear to favor Obama slightly. When they report they skew the numbers upwards. When the rolling averages drop them out, the numbers trend back down. From Pollster.com:
Look at individual tracking polls and the changes are in the tenths of a percent. The concrete has hardened.
October 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
It could be statistical noise in the national polls. It it could simply be people who were reporting themselves "undecided," or even "leaning Obama" in deep red states making up their minds that they can't vote for a peanut butter restributing negro who pals around with terrorists and wants to take guns away from helpless white women defending their home from masked intruders. It could be the lag we've often seen between the nationals and the state polls, but that seems to have shortened up to two or three days.
October 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, someone can explain:
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9503
October 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oo thanks for that link - I loves it!
October 29, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bowers also posted this yesterday. Rasmussen may be playing around a bit with creatively rounding his numbers.
Don't sweat the polls. They'll just drive you insane.
October 29, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
totally co-sign.
October 29, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for the link.
I think there is some merit to the argument but that doesn't fully explian. I cannot think of a state where his numbers are falling to explian the regional shift.
I know he dropped a few points in Rasmussen's VA and PA polls.
I have to say, lots of pollsters are going to end up with egg on their faces this year. Too many whacky polls, like the N.H. one last night.
October 29, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a good explanation. But I'm still worried about the lag. Every state poll I looked at today was conducted from the 24th through the 26th. The national trackers are from the 26th through the 28th.
October 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe McMoron will get 90% of the vote in Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming instead of 65%. . . in other words, maybe it's just red staters "comin' home".
October 29, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's my take on it too.
October 29, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rest easy, boys and girls. The most accurate Presidential poll has announced its results: Obama in a landslide.
October 29, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
420 EVs!
October 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh By the way. Obama camp still look pretty composed and in control.
It's a good sign.
October 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was there in Raleigh today. First candidate rally I have attended since Dukakis at the NC State Fairgrounds in '88.
It was wonderful! The communal (socialist?!?)atmosphere of optimism, goodwill and good vibes was heartening and inspiring. Obama is such a powerful (but not overpowering) speaker, and he seemed totally at ease with the crowd. His warm sense of humor came through often and he seemed to connect with everyone. He delivered the secret communist/pbj sandwich thing in the offhand manner of the best standup comedians.
I love this guy! Smart, funny, thoughtful, A+ people skills, progressive politics - what's not to like? And he brings people together, not with jingoistic fervor but with a sense of "We're in this together so let's make it better." I WILL be volunteering this weekend and hoping to see NC in the Obama column next Tuesday evening.
October 29, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
First candidate rally I have attended since Dukakis at the NC State Fairgrounds in '88.
No offense but can you keep information like this to yourself. J/K. LOL....
October 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey man, I'm 50! Besides, the Dukakis rally was fun!
October 29, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
No I don't mean the years I mean don't refer to a lost candidate....but was kidding anyways.
October 29, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I knew you were kidding. And Dukakis was a tragedy, but look how where we are today, eh? Too bad we had to suffer through Bushes Sr. and Jr. to get here.
October 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, and meeting John McCain at a Borders Bookstore on State Street three years ago, an event that attracted 50 people, was my last "rally." :-)
Seriously, IL is too blue - GOP never visits because it's a lost cause and Dems never campaign here because they have it in the bag.
Sigghhhh...
October 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Manhattan isn't exactly a campaign blitzkrieg zone...except for events like the Al Smith dinner, and then all we get is gridlock.
Can't wait for the waiting-in-line cameraderie at my Upper West Side polling place, blue-state ground zero. Whoever's first in line should be permitted simply to pull the Obama lever a zillion times and spare the rest of us the inconvenience of waiting.
October 29, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rasmussen released his weekly issues numbers today and there is some evidence (although it could just be noise) that the "give money to nigras" attacks are working a bit. Key data:
Trust more on...
Economy
McCain - 48(+2)
Obama - 46(-1)
Taxes
McCain - 47(+1)
Obama - 45(-2)
Social Security (????)
McCain - 45(+2)
Obama - 44(-2)
Obama did improve on energy issues, going from a 46-46 tie to a 51-45 lead, but I think that issue has receded as gas prices have dropped. The first two above and, to a lesser extent, the third, are the ones that matter. That Obama even had a lead on taxes last week and only trails by two this week is actually pretty amazing given that this was always a "gimmee" for GOP candidates. But as recently as 9/30, he led on the economy by 9, 51-42. A McCain lead on this issue - by far the TOP issue of the election - isn't exactly great news. That said, Rasmussen historically has shown the gap on the economy between Obama and McCain MUCH closer than other pollsters. That 9pt lead Obama had on 9/30 was, by far, his largest in Rasmussen polling.
October 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those shifts are well within the margin of sampling error. Nothing to see here.
October 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Red-Blue Schism: It All Depends on What Your Definition of ‘Ism’ Is
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4421
October 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
People, Bill-O's an INDEPENDENT!! That means this map of his has to be right on!
OK, I went as long as I could without busting up!
PINEAPPLE EXPRESS has a better shot at Best Picture this year at the Oscars than Bill-O's "electoral map" has at being accurate. Oh wait, he made Texas and Alabama red, so something on there's right!
October 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, the world is officially ending now - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15072.html
October 29, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude is milking it.
Hell, if Obama had promoted me to mascot, I might try and do that too. But "Mark the Earth Scientist" just doesn't have that ring to it. Maybe "Mo the Geo". Nah.
October 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time/CNN Battleground Polls:
Colorado: Obama 53 McCain 45
Florida: Obama 51 McCain 47
Georgia: McCain 52 Obama 47
Missouri: McCain 50 Obama 48
Virginia: Obama 53 McCain 44
http://thepage.time.com/
October 29, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good. VA and CO look signed, sealed and delivered.
October 29, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bigger lead in GA than in FLA. Who could have even guessed GA could ever be called a "battleground" state?
October 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe the election is winding down on this note-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4
High-larious. McCain is like a monkey in a zoo, throwing crap everywhere at this point just because.
October 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's going to take more than this PB&J line to counter the "spread the wealth/socialist" narrative McCain/Palin are riding...
Now it very well could be a case of too little, too late but I don't know why it took Obama so long to notice it was sticking.
October 29, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is it sticking?!?!
October 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
sticking to Jonzie's brain cells.
Poor baby worries himself to death. ;)
October 29, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now now. Jonze is the TPM resident worry-wart, and this is today's bugaboo.
Please stay calm Jonze! :)
October 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's pointed it out already, Jonze. The fact that it wasn't made a featured story on Election Central may have something to do with many around here saying that Obama is responding too late to this.
October 29, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I usually think Jonze takes the "glass half empty" view too often, but in this case I agree with him. I think Obama needs to tackle this one more directly then PB&J.
And for the record, I don't think that it's that it took them too long to notice. McCain's message has been so chaotic for so long that it took him awhile to find a message that he wanted to stick with for more than 48 hours.
And for the record, my gut feeling is that Biden's gaff last week may not have been a gaff so much as a way to throw McCain off message. It was right as the Joe the Plumber stuff first was gaining steam, and right after the Powell endorsement. McCain for once exhibited some message discipline, and didn't take the bait, and here we are today.
October 29, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you.
I think he shouldn't have allowed McCain a pass on Socialist meme.
But consequences thankfully are not fatal in this instance.
October 29, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you look at the state polls, it hasn't really stuck that much. And the national polls could be tightening simply due to reluctant conservatives coming home. (and many of them coming from deep red states)
That said, I am worried a bit that it does work on a certain segment of the population (as I noted above). But I think these many of these folks have been McCain leaners or supporters for a while - Obama doesn't really need to win them over and probably wouldn't be able to no matter how hard he tried. I do think, however, that the Obama camp has continued to stress how his tax plan will not increase taxes for 95% of American families and, in fact, many of those families will do better under his tax plan. That's the correct response and they've been hammering it home. You obviously don't say, "I'm not a socialist". You drive home the economic message you've had for months - the one that has worked - and you handle these ridiculous charges with a PB&J-like line or an "Is this a joke?", like Biden did with that anchorwoman in Florida. This may not win over the, "that illegal immigrant/black guy stole my job" crowd, but it keeps current supporters from abandoning ship.
Bottom line - Obama really isn't losing support in any serious national poll or in any key state poll. As long as Obama stays above 50% in all or most of these, he's golden. I'm not so much concerned about the effectiveness of these "socialist" attacks as I am disgusted at the blatant appeal to racism implied in those attacks. And it disgusts me even more that the GOP is hoping - praying - that enough racists come out to vote on November 4 to deny Obama the presidency. How depraved is that?
October 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe the only reason this 'spread the wealth socialism' message is not sticking is because of the SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION dollar bailout to the banks.
Even the dumbest low information voter gets that we used taxpayer dollars to help the wealthiest, greediest most predator group in the country...but now when Obama wants to use taxpayer money 'your money'to help the little guy send his kids to college, stall foreclosure and create new jobs it's all of a sudden 'socialism'?
That is why the peanut butter and jelly sandwich was the right message.
Folks get that not only are they suppose to hand over their tax dollars to the banks, but now they are being begrudged a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?
Cause let's face it..what Obama is offering the middle class in terms of tax cuts is PEANUTS compared to what the banks received.
October 29, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Being a bit of a geezer (age 50), I can attest that the Republicans dust off the "socialist" accusations in the final week or two of every presidential campaign. It is a tired old line, and I don't think it has much real effect one way or the other.
October 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats dominate early voting in key states
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXAkBilVhjbpsgAAHfgp6kGEShvwD944B1D00
October 29, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The opening line of the Constitution starts with "We the people", talks about forming "a more perfect union" as well as promoting "the general welfare".
If I were Obama, I point out that that's as "collective" as I intend to get.
October 29, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I can assure you that Obama will win NC.
I can also tell you that a line like this resonates in NC, because it speaks to the common sense shared here. These are the common values of most Americans - we do believe in taking care of each other, not just "everyone for him/herself." We know how that works.
I should also point out that Obama auditioned his anti-gas tax message in NC by pointing out the ludicrous nature of the proposal. He did this, too, through humor. The pundit wisdom said that he would lose ground running against a tax cut (one which both Hillary Clinton and John McCain were pushing). The pundit wisdom said that a "conservative" state like North Carolina would "punish" Obama for that position.
Instead, he won here by a larger margin than I believe he would have in the wake of an all-Wright, all-the-time spring and a Pennsylvania loss. He also came much closer in IN, for the same reason. And I think the fact that he treated voters as adults, by taking the issues apart and pointing to the ridiculousness of attacks on him, always helps him.
He's winning because he's the ADULT in the race. When he shows McCain's attacks and "policy" up for the same-old, same-old, non-serious, non-useful politics that it is, then he wins. It's a good strategy.
October 29, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink