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Wolfson: Hillary Won't "Take Palin On"

Hillary is set to campaign for Obama today in Florida. Will she aggressively target Palin? Former Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson, over at his new blog at The New Republic, says the answer is No:

I have been asked repeatedly over the last several days to respond to the idea that Hillary Clinton will soon be dispatched by the Obama campaign to "take Palin on."

The questions are fair, but what undergirds them is an obsession in our popular culture with the "cat fight," an offensive term that describes the spectacle of two well known women fighting with one another...

Don't hold your breath. It's not going to happen.

It's not in Hillary Clinton's interest, and its certainly not in the interest of Barack Obama and the Democratic party...

If anything, Democrats should be talking about McCain-Bush, not McCain-Palin. Every day we are focused on Palin is a day we are not amplifying the Obama campaign's message that Senator McCain simply represents four more years of President Bush.

It'll be interesting to see how Hillary handles the inevitable questions that are directly about Palin -- how she'll try to duck the "cat fight" narrative.


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Hillary should tell B. Hussein Obama, it's over a-hole. You didn't pick me, you're going to LOSE. Back to your Senate Subcommittee that you never show up for. Clinton 2012!

McCain/Bimbo 2008! No Barry!!!!

ZOMG, I'd heard that so-called Clinton supporters stupid enough to go for Palin exist, but I thought they were just a myth. Are you a unicorn?

No no, unicorns have 1 horn. This one obviously has two.

Now we know why your mother named you Marginal!

ROTFLMAO

I don't know if you are really a Hillary supporter or a GOP but Obama and Hillary would not be a winning ticket. Hillary energizes the Republican base and two first on one ticket weakens the ticket.

A simple thought: realize that if Obama loses, Hillary will almost certainly be facing a ticket in 2012 with Palin on it. At that time Palin will have 4 years of National Executive experience.

Hillary will then be on the losing side of the experience argument vs. any ticket with Palin on it.

Have you got any evidence that B Hussein Obama has ever asked Hilarry Clinton to go after Sarah Palin?

The questions that Wolfson is talking about are those coming from the MSM. Big fan of the MSM, are you? Funny, most Hillary supporters aren't.


WTF? I have to say, Hillary should be out there saying, "People who wanted me to be President should vote with their values and not their vijayjay. Seriously.

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I think this would be a big mistake for Hillary on Obama's behalf. She's the most obvious choice to tear in to Palin's horrible record and point out how she's anti-feminist.

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"It's not in Hillary Clinton's interest..."for Obama to win.

But it _is_ in HRC's interest for Obama to win just like it's in every American's interest for Obama to win. There is no policy, no position held by McCain that is in America's interest therefore it is in _every_ American's interest to support Obama. Even yours.

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You're forgeting she doesn't care...she wants to be the first woman President. If Obama wins she's done for 8 years...if he loses she's back in line in 2012.

If McCain wins the Dems will be in a much weaker position in 2012. Palin would be in a much stronger position. No it is not in Hillary's best interest for McCain to win. These people are trying to spin you and you guys are letting them.

I was going to expand my point (which was originally just a sly dig at SFC) that even if you hate him, Obama will be better for all of us than McCain and thus it's in our collective interest to elect him. Then I started to realize that I couldn't think of a more patrician, ivory tower argument. Taken to absurdity my point becomes nothing more than "We know better than you so just do what we tell you is good for you".

As much as I'm pro-Obama, I'm anti-patrician.

Have you talked to her and this is what she has told you? Are you able to look into her heart and see what is her true motivations? She doesn't care that Supreme Court will be stacked conservative for eons? She doesn't care that McCain will send our Health Care System into complete and utter chaos?

It sure is in her interest.

That shrapnel in your head must touching touching a nerve there Sarge. Better go see the medic. He's got some pills that'll mellow you out.

The Palin jerk needs to be savaged.

That's the job of the MSM and they have the experience to do just that. They had enough practice with Hillary, so Palin should be a breeze.

Don't expect the corporate press to do their jobs now. They haven't in quite a long time.

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The press likes Palin. She's a professional at reading scripts while looking pretty. They see themselves in her.

BINGO.

They've already decided on the Palin narrative, and it's puff pieces from here to November.

If the Dems don't Wake The Hell Up it's curtains. Lacy, gently wafting curtains...

Not sure why anyone thought that Clinton would stick her neck out for Obama. It's a shame, though. She seems to be the only Democrat who has a killer instinct.

Obama is probably telling her what her message should be. If she doesn't attack Palin, it's probably because Obama told her not to.

It would be nice if the Democrats actually attacked somebody. If this is the best that they can manage, then we're looking at "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" come January.

Is the suspense killing you? If it is, just think what McCain is going thru right now!

I suspect that Johnny Mop is sitting back in the Straight Shit Express, rubbing his hands with glee at the effect of the obfuscation his VP pick and convention performance have caused. Past experience tells me that the Republicans are experts at maintaining this level of chicanery, and that the Democrats are programmed to say, "Please Sir, may I have another?" with every thrust of the Repub pelvis. I thought Obama was bringing his gun this year, but it looks like he had a squirt gun in mind.

B.O.H.I.C.A. all over again.

Why is it Hillary's job to bash Palin? She's not Obama's VP..Biden is. Hillary was rejected twice by the Democratic Party..and she's supposed to go out there and get Obama elected? You obama people are crazy. It's about time Obama did something for himself. It's his campaign..he has to win it. No one can do it for him.

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she's supposed to go out there and get Obama elected?

Ummm...because she said she would. Also, Hillary is about the only Dem that can go out there and savage Palin and not get accused of this "sexism" nonsense. Palin tried to make a direct appeal to Hillary voters, Hillary should be the one to tell them that Palin goes against every policy that Hillary is for.

It isn't Hillary's job.
And remember, Republicans want to do away with affirmative action because they think sexism doesn't exist.
Biden should tear into Palin, then when Repubs cry 'sexist,' point out this little fact to them.

Rejected? You've got to be kidding me.

Obama also rejected me as a candidate for VP, but I'm fervently working for his election anyway.

What's this Hillaryesque idea that only self-interest can motivate political action?

The real question: when will Biden take on Palin? His vaguely insipid performance on MTP yesterday will not do. Attack dog indeed.

Biden was working on his comb-over. He's a DC politician with no base. Barry should have picked Hillary. Too late now, B. Hussein Obama, will lose! He also may want to figure out if he's Christian or Muslim.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/08/obama-mistake-on-being-muslim-seized-by-rivals/

McCain/Bimbo 2008!;
Clinton 2012!

I guess this is the "baffle them with bullshit" part.

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It certainly ain't "dazzle them with brilliance" ;)

"It is not in Hillary's interest"

That sentiment pretty much sums up how effective Hillary will be on the campaign trail this Fall.

the strategy described by Wolfson, the Obama campaign, and Josh is fundamentally misconceived: go after Palin, McCain's soft underbelly while there's still time to define her. The delay here will cost the Dems dearly

Go for it, you've already cost Obama 10+ points in polling support. Every time folks open up with hate-filled messages and lies against Palin, you help McCain-Palin.

A hearty thanks to the Obama nutroots gang and their media lackeys. (Though, what will we do without now-demoted Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews?).

Hey, thanks for dropping by to energize the base.

I guess you guys haven't figured it out yet, it was the GOP that was feeding the netroots. You've been set up. They knew the daughter was pregnant and they knew it would be much better press if they didn't announce it the first day.

I guess you guys haven't figured it out yet, it was the GOP that was feeding the netroots. You've been set up. They knew the daughter was pregnant and they knew it would be much better press if they didn't announce it the first day.

You got some evidence to back that up? That it was "us" and our "lies" rather than the RNC?

Waiter, there's a turd in my soup.

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(Though, what will we do without now-demoted Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews?).

Damn you Liberal MSM!!!!

Palin's not running for President. She's a distraction/decoy. The MSM fell for the deception and are fighting who gets a date with her, leaving Obama and Biden out in the cold. Patience is a virtue.

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Every day we are focused on Palin is a day we are not amplifying the Obama campaign's message that Senator McCain simply represents four more years of President Bush

This is exactly right.

Scare the crap out of voters with images of what another four more years of Bush will be like.

Get Biden out there talking about Palin's "fiscal conservatism" that brought Wasilla unreal debt levels, and get him asking Palin is the state of Alaska is willing to forgo all pork largesse.

Clinton should offer not one word of support for Obama. In fact, if asked, she should state that the Obama, nutroots gangs, and media hate-fest against women is wrong and has no place in the Democratic party.

Clinton 2012

Are you voting for McCain, Matthew? Please answer honestly, unless your troll contract forbids doing so.

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I believe you mean "Democrat Party." That's what you call it on other blogs. Your alleged support for Hillary is a fraud.

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Well, unless she's telling repeated lies, HRC supports Obama and wants him to win. (Is she telling lies, Clinton supporters?)

And if she supports Obama, then she should spend some time telling her former and current supporters, who may have moved to McCain with the Palin pick, why Palin is not a good candidate.

Look, I like that Wolfson first said it was not in Hillary's interest, then not the Party's or Obama's interest...but lets assume that's just random order. I really think just by BEING there, Hillary refutes the Palin argument. She can just remind people what an experienced, national politician who happens to be female looks like, she could have a bit about the vetting she's undergone, making Palin look thin. She can talk about all the interviews she's done and international leaders and travel she's done and just make Palin look insignificant. Throw in a little God and Country but from a progressive point of view, and make Palin look extreme. Then link herself to Obama as the best candidate. She never has to say a single word about Palin!

Tahnk You ! Thank You ! Thank You!

There are many way to skin a political cat like Palin and that's the easiest one to do it without getting anyone bloodied up but the cat herself.

We really got the trolls out in full force today.

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Agreed. Time to spray a little Troll-B-Gone® on the blog.

A Clinton insider put it this way:

Attacking Palin is checkers.
Attacking McCain is chess.

No, attacking Palin is tiddly winks.
Attacking McCain is checkers.
Unfortunately the electorate is playing blind man's bluff.

Yeah. Checkers is for those who are still kids and chess is for those who are mature.

I thought women who supported Clinton were educated, intelligent people who understood what four more years of Republicans in the White House would mean to women, all Americans, and the world, rather than just members of a personality cult.

Was I wrong? Sure seems like it from reading these comments.

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Sen Clinton has it exactly right. Clinton beating up on Palin 1) distracts from the real opponent (McCain) and 2) feeds the sympathy vote for Palin. The best thing we can do is to beat up on McCain and leave Palin enough rope to hang herself (or fade into oblivion for lack of press exposure).

or fade into oblivion for lack of press exposure

Is Charlie Gibson doing multiple interviews oblivion enough?

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How about being on the cover of US Weekly? Still oblivion?

I am not sure what your point is. She is brand new right now, so of course her picture is on the front of all the tabloids. Wait a week and see if she is still so interesting. In any event, my broader point still stands - Clinton is right to leave her alone. Sen Clinton is most useful to the cause when she is speaking to the issues. If she tries to make this personal it will do nothing to help us.

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Sen Clinton is most useful to the cause when she is speaking to the issues. If she tries to make this personal it will do nothing to help us.

Couldn't agree more.

Attacking Palin falls into the trap set by the McCain campaign: making this about personalities, rather than issues.

The Dems could easily scare the crap out of people just on the issues alone. Here's hoping they find a way to do that.

Somebody help me-

How is being on the cover of the tabloids (NE, Star,etc) *good* for Palin? I would think most people would think she's in Paris/Britney territory and, while entertaining, not VP material.

How is being on the cover of the tabloids (NE, Star,etc) *good* for Palin?
Hey, these are primary sources for most Republican voters! To a Republican, getting coverage in tabloids is like a Democrat getting coverage in NYT! You don't think good Republicans actually get their info from the liberal media, do you? Why, that's traitorous! You commie faggot!
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Number one: If Hillary or Palin were a man -- each would take the other on -- just so they could WIN the election.

Number two: - It IS is Hillary's best interest to take Palin on NOW or risk facing her in 2012 if Obama loses.

If a woman attacks Palin, it will look like a "cat fight."

If a man attacks her, he's sexist.

It's impressive that the Republicans have all the bases covered.

OMG, you just called Wolfson a Republican!

Very astute of you, actually.

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I continue to believe that Palin should be virtually ignored. If she is attacked, it should be an attack on McCain/Palin, with the emphasis on McCain. He's the guy Obama is running against - Palin is just the proverbial shiny, new object. The luster will fade. Notice that McCain's biggest bounce out of the convention didn't occur until after his speech at the convention, not Palin's. Palin's did provide a bounce (and an apparent negative bounce before her speech) but I think it was McCain's boring but safe speech that included his POW story that is currently putting him over the top. That too, should fade, when people realize he didn't really tell them how he'd fix things.

Or will they realize it?

That said, Ras shows Obama's post-Dem convention lead among women dropping from 14 to 3 post-GOP convention. First, I just can't see how this happened - it defies logic. Second, perhaps this numbers prove that I'm wrong and that Palin needs to be attacked.

Whatever the case, the Obama camp needs a game changer right now. I'm betting that in the next round of state polls, McCain will have sizeable leads in Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, North Carolina and maybe Ohio. Missouri will be out of reach. Florida - I don't know...something tells me Palin doesn't play as well there. And we could see Michigan move to a statistical tie - or maybe even a McCain lead.

Seems this group is evenly divided(minus troll insults)on who should be attacked: McCain or Palin.

While I agree with the Palin side, her threats should not go unanswered, I lean more towards the other side that McCain is responsible for everyone on his campaign ship, including Ms. Palin. Make the C-in-C responsible for the past and present actions of those under his command. So dig up her political failures in Alaska and spread the word. No point in pontificating actions that should be done. Concentrate on actions that need to be taken.

Hillary needs to take Palin on. She needs to know that the next right wing takeover of the government will be permanent and there will be no more electoral chances for her if McCain-Palin wins. I hope the Clintons are big enough and generous enough to see this.

In other words, what Wolfson is saying is, 'Its not in Hillary's interest for Obama to win.'

From:

Head of State

http://tinyurl.com/55atsk


Monday, September 08, 2008

Fear and the Result of Our Decisions: Media, Palin and Iraq

I recall keenly the days of the run-up to the Iraq war. How many journalists--including those I knew and admired--drew back from criticism of obvious gaps and flaws in the logic leading to the conflict; who, despite stories of critical importance for the future of the nation hanging before them, left them hanging in the group-reinforced fear that they would be accused of a lack of patriotism if they were to report them.

And so they were left to be reported long after--in books looking back at the clear issues, landmark errors, and trail of missed opportunities that has led to the fatal outcomes we now see before us.

The issues were there at the time. To be reported.

They were not.

Today, they are again being cowed, by an equally powerful fear of unnecessary intimidation and restraint, the consequences of which stretch far beyond those that we have seen in Iraq.

At a time when we are at war, the economy in shambles, when today Fannie and Freddie Mac are, for the first time in their history, in effect being nationalized, we are being swept by emotion and fear--career fear--into ignoring a situation that would likely send us tumbling into the unknown.

For the short-term fear that each journalist feels, in being perceived as "unpatriotic" to vague, manifest threats regarding gender--they fail to report issues that have nothing to do with gender: the preparedness of a candidate for Vice President of the United States, running alongside an elderly and chronically ill Presidential candidate.

Instead--just as in the run-up to Iraq--each is making the easier choice--to join the risk-averse chorus of personality pieces, each, in the same diffusion of responsibility that had such a major role in leading us into the war in Iraq, taking the route that leads away from fact, regardless of gender.

As in Iraq, reporting fact--regardless of pressure for a mindless conformity and silence--represented actual patriotism, providing the nation with the information it needed to make a reliable and authentic decision, so reporting the facts here--regardless of pressure for an unthinking conformity represents a true balance, a true equality, a true lack of bias.

This is a time of difficult decisions. However, those decisions--your decisions--matter. We have seen this.

Report it. Don't be cowed.

Cite:

Head of State

http://tinyurl.com/55atsk

I see the Kerry strategy is alive and well.

I agree that Obama should stay on message, but attacking the opposition is what surrogates are for. To not use them is naive. That "catfight" puts Palin on the defensive and forces her to spend part of her public spotlight currency elsewhere instead of spreading lies about Obama.

I am not suggesting Hillary spread lies about Palin. Just hit her on one or more of her many controversies the the media is avoiding. This woman could be a heartbeat away from the presidency in 60 days and the public knows nothing about her. Someone needs to step up to the plate and correct this situation.

well you are a real patriot asshat

I would pay money to hear Hillary say "va-jay-jay."

great e-mail response to the attacks on Palin:

I received your email with the attachment about Sarah Palin. While this report might be scary and threatening to some, to me it sounds like the same the kind of trash written about Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and even Barack Obama. However, since the Clintons are no longer in the race we can leave them out. But what I wonder is why it’s okay to say that Palin is a fundamentalist Christian but not okay to ask why Obama spent twenty years in the pews of Jeremiah Wright’s intolerant church? And why is it okay to allege that Palin wants to destroy Alaska’s wildlife but not okay to ask if Obama plans to support Hamas instead of Israel? And people can can accuse Palin of racism based on rumor and hearsay but not hold Obama accountable for playing the race card, quoting Malcolm X and accusing good people, particularly the Clintons, of racism. While I may not agree with Palin’s politics, I am unmoved by the smear campaign launched against her. Please do not send me any more political emails. While this e-mail goes to great lengths to appear to be politically correct and to be doing me a favor, it’s actually savaging someone’s reputation based on shoddy evidence or outright lies. After forty years of voting for the Democratic candidate for president, I want you to know that these sexist and hateful lies against Sarah Palin you forwarded go against the reason I am a Democrat. Therefore, under no circumstance will I be voting for Obama.

Best Regards

Bud,

It's called "driving up the negatives."

And obviously you weren't voting for Obama anyway.

Bud White, eh?

You choose to name yourself after a vicious misogynistic racist cop, and we're supposed to be surprised that you're voting Republican?

Please help me Momma Clinton.....yeah right.

We're letting the MSM frame this whole thing for us (again).

It's not about "Hillary taking on Sarah Palin." Wolfson's absolutely right that it's a set-up for a "cat fight."

It's about Hillary campaigning for her own Party. That's all. It will mean pointing out the weaknesses of the other Party's candidates, but that's not the same as "attacking" or "going after" Sarah Palin. Simply pointing out Palin's shortcomings is all part of the normal process.

Please help me Momma Clinton.....yeah right.

If Hillary wants to be the first woman president, she better help Obama.

Looking at the way presidents age in office and McCain's age and health already, Sarah Palin beats her to the presidency if McCain is elected.

I thought you guys hated Hillary. Leave her the fuck alone. You idiots picked an fool for our cnadidate and now you will suffer. She is not on any ticket. She has done her part. We know that she and Bill are fighters and they know how to beat the repubs, but they were not given that chance. They were called racist by leaders in there own party. Obama is supporse to be a man, why can't he fight like one? You all called this woman every name in the book and now you want her to rescue Barry. If I were her I would sit at home and laugh my ass off. I will vote republican for the first time in my life, becuse the dem party is full of idiots. Learn how to pick a winner next time. Obama reads from a teleprompter well, and that is all.

So Hillary was willing to say Obama hadn't passed the commander-in-chief threshold -- but she's not willing to say that about Palin?

Really?

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Would Hillary "take Palin on" if she -- Hillary -- were the Democratic nominee for Pres.?

That's what I'd like to know.

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