With Bailout Package Failure, Is McCain's Campaign Suspension Stunt Backfiring?
In political terms, John McCain needed this bailout bill to pass. Now that it's failed in the House, it's clear that this could pose a serious blow to his campaign -- and that his big campaign suspension gambit could backfire badly.
McCain pushed way too many political chips onto the bailout deal with his supposed decision to put his campaign on ice and his subsequent high-profile swooping into D.C. His campaign got way too far out front appearing to take credit for the bailout in advance.
"What Senator McCain was able to do was to help bring all of the parties to the table, including the House Republicans, whose votes were needed to pass this," McCain senior Steve Schmidt said on Meet the Press yesterday.
"We're optimistic that Senator McCain will bring House Republicans on board without driving other parties away, resulting in a successful deal for the American taxpayer," McCain spokeswoman Kimmie Lipscomb said a few days ago.
McCain needed action on the meltdown. It was his only hope of getting the campaign discussion off of favorable turf for Obama. Now people are more frightened than ever amid the crisis. The electorate's ratcheted up emotional state over the economy is similar to how on-edge the electorate was about national security in the years after 9/11. This allows Obama to counter McCain's effort to cast him as risky on national security by casting McCain as the risky and frightening choice -- on the economy, the focus of so much attention and fear right now.
And second, to whatever degree McCain could be seen to have galvanized any action in Congress, he'd be able to blunt Obama's change argument by casting himself as the race's real change agent -- in real time.
It's unclear, of course, where the dust will settle after the spin wars over the bailout's failure -- the GOP is aggressively blaming Congressional Dems, which could reflect on to Obama. And it's possible that McCain will be able to retain credit for supposedly having tried to light a fire under Congress' posterior, although that's unlikely at any rate given the press reports about his disruptive role.
But it looks more like McCain invested way too much in the illusion that he'd be able to force action -- and that his investment has now gone belly-up.















He rolled the dice on this in terms of his way out of the bailout momentum-killer, and it came up snake eyes.
I'm expecting the MSM to actually deliver on the "McCain couldn't even bring his party in" as one of the stories from this
September 29, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just thinking of the moment last Friday when McCain said that he could reach across the aisle and work in a bipartisan fashion to bring , and Obama couldn't do the opposite because "it's hard to reach across the aisle from that far to the left"...
Except we now see that not only can McCain not pull in Democratic votes, he can't even sell Republicans on the policy positions he supports. It's hard to reach across the aisle when you don't even know how to reach out to the people on your own side of the aisle...
September 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
What the hell good is he?
September 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're giving the corporate media too much credit.
September 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great. McSame flies into town just in time to derail the bipartisan consensus that was emerging. Really helpful of him.
Seems like everything McDotard touches turns to shit.
September 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess this really proves his leadership qualities.
Me... Me... Me... Me... Me...
Once again, this music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpcUxwpOQ_A&feature=related
McShame Crap Shoot Drama Queen Meltdown Mania!!!
September 29, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
September 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, this is much bigger than politics.
If we don't something I think we could bottom out at the absolute bottom and I don't think you'll like that.
I really don't.
September 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frighteningly true. It's just so hard to know what to think. I have no idea how to decide whether any particular element is good or bad for our country.
Well, there are some elements that I have an opinion on:
-- Eliminate the capital-gains tax. Bzzzt! Wrong answer. We've had our pockets picked enough, thank you very much!
-- Insurance. WTF??? Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDOs) were supposed to be a kind of insurance, hedging against insolvent borrowers. And Credit Default Swaps (CDSs) were a much more explicit form of insurance. Trouble is the insurers are going belly-up. So who is gonna sell this insurance? And how much are they gonna charge for it? And how do we know the insurers are gonna be around to make good on the claims? The only one who could do this is the federal gummint, and that's hardly any different from a taxpayer-funded bailout.
-- Transparency. Slippery word. Probably not meant the way I think it should be. In addition to being able to see who's trading how much of what, we need to be able to value the (ironically named) "securities" being traded. Hell, the traders need to be able to do that, and they can't. They know it, and that's why they're not trading. The only way to get this kind of transparency is through...
-- Regulation. Every firm that gets assistance from us should be prohibited from trading in securities that can't be reliably valued. Fuck innovation, and fuck Phil Gramm.
-- Bankruptcy reform. For it, just on the general principle of justice for the homeowner who was suckered in by a low teaser rate. Dunno how it would affect the big picture. I never was very good at partial differential equations.
In the meantime, there's no harm speculating here about the political fallout. Our hopes, fears, and predictions won't make things turn out any differently. And the politics of things, although still pretty murky, is much more transparent than the reality of this fine fix we've been put in.
September 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the transparency/regulation line has great potential for :
1. Creating a better market in the future
2. Serving as a vehicle for routing out many of the individual fraudsters that committed malicious fraud in order to profit.
Let me explain:
In order to create transparency, we'll need to talk to the people that created, and coded the models that were used to justify/sell these deals. There are relatively low level computer and finance "gurus" who were paid to "develop" the models - to put some meat into them. These models are of course proprietary, but we could make access to these individuals, the models, and the chain of command a condition of any bailout. This of course would be necessary to accurately value the products. It would also provide a road map to the people who were ordering their subordinates to justify what everyone knew was a lie.
September 30, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you checked your 401k balance?
September 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you have a razor blade I can borrow?
September 29, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, the DOW just closed down over 700.
September 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, do not adjourn.
The message should be, "The Democratic Party is willing to step forward and work with the President and his cabinet to come up with a solution to the country's financial crisis."
Republicans, not so much.
And now, time to craft a Democratic plan. President Lame Duck wouldn't dare veto it, we've got him by the balls.
September 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
YES!
yesyesyesyesyesyesyes!
Keep working and making it clear the Democrats are working - around the clock to save people's savings.
Just say it people - send Barney Frank out. He's got to be hopping mad.
September 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. No time for recess. (that should keep mcShame pinned down in DC.... helping to fix the mess...)
September 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
If this is good for Obama that's about the only person this is good for . . .
September 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was and is leadership by John McShame...
September 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is much much bigger. Politically this will sink Republicans. I can't imagine we can sustain one more week of inaction. Wall Street is bleeding to death. I think by the end of the week, Republicans will seem like villans. Public Opinion will swing heavily in favor of the bailout.
September 29, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even if he gets credit for "trying", isn't that only about as good as he did in the debate? In other words, a draw means Obama wins?
September 29, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain Pulled Up His Suspenders, Went to Washington, And Then The Economy "Started To Crater".
The Republicans just took ownership of the impending recession/depression, and financial meltdown.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/john-mccain-pulled-up-his-susp.php
September 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin will pull out of debate too -- claiming need to join McCain in solving this issue.
September 29, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could be.
:)
September 29, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we have the video of that, Tina Fey?
September 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also made more unlikely by the fact that McCain already, you know, claimed victory today in Ohio (as did Steve Schmidt on Meet the Press yesterday morning).
We can't look past the fact that McCain was dancing in the endzone before he even reached the 20-yard line.
September 29, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's twice he's "claimed victory" before an event where he tanked!
Titanic, meet John mcTanking!
September 29, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You figure that his good friend, President Bush, has some of those big ol' MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banners laying around that he can borrow?
September 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes.... those are surely needed. Now, more than ever.
September 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hard to know if this bill would've passed sans McCain's injecting presidential politics into the race, though I have to believe it would've gone through but for McCain.
So, while I blame McCain for this inability to take action, I do wonder if THIS is the time for Obama to inject himself more forcefully into the picture. To say the time has come to take over and nationalize parts of these failing companies and get them right. And to say only this will allow us to truly redirect the financial sectors such that they serve our common interests, not their own selfish gains.
I realize that socialization is something of a third rail in politics, but I think that the example of Sweden as opposed to Japan allows us to make a strong case for taking bold action and really redefining government. But maybe I'm just crazy and if Obama floats that notion he'll doom himself with moderates & independents. hard to take the pulse of the country, but I think there's little love lost for financial service companies as they currently exist.
My 2 cents
September 29, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Calling Senator Reid, calling Speaker Pelosi...
September 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
PPP NC Poll
Obama 47 McCain 45
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-takes-lead-in-north-carolina.html
September 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the contrary is appears his feeling that this crisi warranted a suspension of campaigning was on the money.
And where is Obama?
What is his plan?
Does he endorse Pelosi's diatribe?
And remember, Obama agrees with Bush.
Where are all the naysayers that said there was no rush?
Y'all are a big joke.
September 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad he didn't actually suspend his campaign (other than cancelling on David Letterman).
September 29, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the person who predicted that McCain would fix it all on Friday and arrive at the debate as the hero.
September 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
and you voted for bush twice!
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enough said fool
September 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
and you voted for bush twice!
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enough said fool
September 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I've said before I have never voted Republican. You just like spewing and that's OK. It must hurt to be wrong.
September 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I've said before I have never voted Republican. You just like spewing and that's OK. It must hurt to be wrong.
September 29, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
... It must hurt to be wrong ...
Heh. That would make you one hell of a masochist.
September 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Troll Jizz deluxe.
September 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Fogu,
You were right about one thing you said last week - John McCain owns this issue now.
He owns that he derailed productive negotiations. He owns that he bragged about getting the deal done, albeit prematurely. He owns that despite all his bluster, he can't even get his own damn party to go along with him on anything.
He owns it all now. Lock, stock and nose-diving markets.
The Ownership Society. Gotta love it, eh?
September 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will you still agree when they finally do approve something and the stock market soars?
September 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably not. Here's why.
McCain and his boys made a big deal about how he was responsible for getting a deal done. Schmidt said it on TV yesterday, McCain said it on the stump this morning.
They took credit, when there was nothing to take credit for.
If something does get done and the market does soar, there's no way any sane person will give McCain any credit for it at all. all they'll remember is that he went out and crowed about fixing things when they were nowhere near fixed.
And he won't be able to play that card again without looking like a bigger tool than he does now. The SS Claiming Credit has sailed.
So... no. I won't agree, and neither will anyone else. Sorry.
September 29, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
As your comrades say:
Fail
September 29, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
here's the problem with that the dow is right now 777 points down till they are back to vote on the bill again its 2 days 2 days of trading sorry but this drop will go on tomorrow we could be looking at over 1000+ also all this talk on fox about this is a good thing makes me lol and the people saying we should not pass it and mailing the republicans to vote no dont they get that what happens on wall street gets passed on to us in prices of food and stuff just look at the uk
the credit crunch first effect was there when a bank went down called northern rock since then food has gone up big time in price fuel for heating has hell everything has
September 29, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would have thought that John McCain's plan to stop Shiites and Sunnis from fighting (“One of the things I would do if I were President would be to sit the Shiites and the Sunnis down and say, ‘Stop the bullshit,’”) would also have worked to get Democrats and Republicans to agree to a bailout plan. Maybe he's saving it. Or maybe he said it, but he needs to say it twice. Or maybe he's a pompous, narcissistic, self-inflated gasbag who has lost all credibility with anyone who ever might have listened to him, largely because he's abandoned any standard of decency and everything he's ever stood and is left desperately grasping and clawing his way toward the White House. Or something along those lines.
As for jokes, if you want a good laugh, go look in a mirror.
September 29, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama spokesman, Bill Burton is on MSNBC blowing the interview. Giggling and laughing about John McCain's charges that Obama isn't actively doing anything, is not the best tone right now. they need to lose that.
September 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is working according to McCain's plan.
Note when he did get to Washington, he caucused only with the House minority repug$ not involved with the deliberations. And when in the conference meeting with Bu$h, he remained silent thru-out. His only response was his favoring the minority repug$. Seems the caucus meeting biased him and his mind was set on a course of action before he entered the meeting.
Now that this has blown up in Bu$h and the Democrats faces, he can ride into Washington and delegate to Congress what actions needs to enacted. Act Presidential where Bu$h is failing to do so.
Too bad it's a simple-minded scenario, but what else would you expect out of McCain?
McCain is playing politics with a global financial meltdown just to score points to win the election. And those points only have to make sense to the people who will be voting in November. And many of them have no idea just how serious this meltdown really is.
September 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with your scenario is that the House Republicans who keep scuttling this deal are the ones who hate McCain the MOST. I guess stranger things have happened (Palin), but I just can't see that they'd cooperate with him to this extent and risk the economy completely collapsing.
September 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS
September 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
IS
September 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
GREAT NEWS
September 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
FOR
September 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
A CLUSTERFUCK
September 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I already have friends asking me whether this is another stunt designed to set up a situation that allows McCain to fly in again and "save the day."
It's a possibility, I suppose. But we have to remember that John McCain is among the many people, ideas and institutions that the House Republican Study Group loathes and despises with a near-religous zeal. They MIGHT help him, but the price would be high.
More likely, I think, is that the House GOP dead-enders are trying to force the Democrats to pass this on their own, so that Hensarling, Pence, Cantor, Putnam, et al have deniability to their "movement conservative" friends and constituents.
They don't believe the bailout will work -- but they're scared to death to cooperate in giving it a try. So they may go on resisting until the Dems have to step up with something they can pass on their own. In either scenario -- failure or Dem unilateralism -- the House GOP wingnuts figure they're covered.
September 29, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, they are taking an awful gamble - if they are risking this on the thought that the bailout wouldn't work, that's a hell of a gamble to take with our money.
It think they've gambled and lost because if the keeps going down or things get worse, then it's their fault.
September 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama, should "Hail Mary" re: the Bailout package:
Since I called John last week to put out a joint statement last week, and he agreed.
I again am offering him the same courtesy in a measure that will affect all Americans.
As my friend John McCaine knows, back in 1994 the House Democrats voted for a pay as you go package, that his house colleagues (Republicans) then refused to a person to back... Which led to the shifting of the rulers of Congress.
That package although it led to the Democrats becoming the minority, It did 3 things:
1. Brought Down the Deficit.
2. Led to increased employment and a robust economy.
3. And brought down interest rates and trust by our allies that we would pay our bills.
Many Democrats in that vote, voted for the betterment of our Country and not themselves.
We are now in a similar situation.
I would hope that Senator McCain joins me in encouraging the House Republican members; that they join us in passing this package.
And I hope John, joins me in assuring both sides that regardless who is elected; will this time, hire competent people to oversee the Oversight of the various financial markets.
As John knows, we need competent people overseeing this measure, regardless of who is elected, one of us will be in the Senate.
And I agree with John, Let's put Country first.
September 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's obvious the Republicans want the bailout to pass, but also to vote against it so that, on the one hand, they don't get blamed for another depression, but on the other hand, they can be in the minority on the opposing side of an unpopular bill. It's craven and it would work for a few if so many of them weren't craven, but so many of them are.
I think the Democrats should go ahead and work on a bill that will slow the bleeding, but does not suck up to Republicans or Paulson, and insert as much oversight as they want (without overreaching with Democratic wish lists) and just pass it with or without Republican support. They had their chance to be part of the solution. The Dems can get it done and then say the Republicans cared more about their elections than the country, if they want, but they should quit saying that until the bill is passed. The top Republicans and McCain all conceded it was necessary; they will suffer fallout for their lack of political courage.
After it passes, Obama should come out and explain again why it was necessary for mainstreet. I like his call for calm and lack of hissyfitting.
I think the populace was opposed to the original bill but they are starting to understand the ramifications of doing nothing and the new bill sounds a lot better, at least on paper. 250 billion is easier to swallow than 700 billion. And when the Democrats hammer home that the Republicans wanted LESS regulation and lower taxes for those CEO's and high-dollar investors, then the country will hold it against them.
September 29, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
These free market freaks are still trying to snooker the country so they can get a better handle on where this money is going before it really is too late i.e. before they have a chance to set up a few off shore accounts. I am not a conspiracy nut, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that their "fear' is not out of ripping off the American people but that this money will go away without them having a chance to breathe heavy on it a little longer.
"Slippery slope to socialism" my ass. The only thing they hump more than their pages are their wads of cash.
Way to go McDog.
September 29, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign!! They are too wrapped up in their goddamn Reagan worship to take this seriously. Their crackpot economic policies got us here, and fixing the problem is "socialism"?
GTFOH!!!!
I am sick to death of this country being run by wingnut morons. Obama can't win this election fast enough...
September 29, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, nailed it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/matthews-on-mccains-faile_n_130309.html
September 29, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
On mcShame's "victory" -
He called charge! And they went the other way.... That's for him to explain!
September 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh fogu, fogu. As usual, rich in hyperbole and short on specifics. What "diatribe" are you referring to? Was it more partisan than McCain's statements today? Where is McCain? What is McCain's plan? Will he actually suspend his campaign this time? I guess if this is the outcome of his "leadership" during the past few days, staying the hell away from Washington is probably the best thing to do.
The House Republicans' tender feelings were so hurt by mean old Nancy Pelosi that they decided to throw the country under the bus to make their point? Give them a binkie and send them home to their mommys.
September 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was it the Pelosi was saying, that the actual numbers of the meltdown are staggering. My interpretation: $700 billion may only be the tip of an iceberg of the true cost if nothing is done.
Can anyone point me in the right direction, please?
September 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is true. Krugman said this is just the beginning. As far as I can read, and not being any economic genius, it seems the best plan put forth (not by Congress) is to nationalize. B.C. just did that today with one of their institutions.
September 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and the bad feeling at the pit of my stomach isn't easing up any. I knew once they really got a look at what Bush has done it was going to scare everyone to death.
O jesus.
Fucking Commander CooCoo Bananas ruined the United States of America.
Goddamn
September 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention the world...
September 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the headline on marketwatch said just now:
House to Street: Drop Dead.
McCain once again shows what an unqualified buffoon he is to even be considered for the presidency.
September 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Intrade weighs in:
Obama - 61
mcShame - 38.7
Looks like we have a winner for the Pottery Barn Broken-Special of the Day
September 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shit.
The Convention Bounce levels.
September 29, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Imagine all of the folks over fifty who are still working and planning on retirement who just saw another 5% of their savings go up in smoke because of some hot-headed wingnut congresspersons took offense at a speech, ie saw a lame excuse to cop out on their responsibilities, and voted to gamble and play political chicken with the world economy.
Sounds like just the kind of thing that John McCain would do.
September 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi. Howaya?
That's me. My husband has worked forever and has saved forever. I never knew anyone who saves like he does.
At least we don't have any debt. We paid off the house in Dallas 2 years ago, I bought this one entire, no mortgage. We use exactly 2 credit cards that are paid off every 30 days.
Thank god.
September 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same here. We own the house. We have the savings. We pay off the cards every month.
Because of that, however, I can truly feel for all those who are living hand to mouth every month.
September 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know how they are managing - people with families - it kills me.
One big ass reason we've been able to do what we've done is we don't have kids. We don't have to educate anyone. I just can't imagine -
September 29, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Better plant a large garden as well.
September 29, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sad fact is Pelosi was speaking the truth. That they aren't able or willing to admit to their complicity should brand them as cowards.
September 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
63 year old checking in here.
You betcha!
September 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
No way this was a McCain tactic. His little "save the day" stunt might have worked if either
a.) the plan passed
or
b.) he were still in Wasthington at least seeming to work on it.
He's not showing that vaunted leadership by spending the day in Columbus OH with Pitbull Palin.
September 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
No way this was a McCain tactic. His little "save the day" stunt might have worked if either
a.) the plan passed
or
b.) he were still in Wasthington at least seeming to work on it.
He's not showing that vaunted leadership by spending the day in Columbus OH with Pitbull Palin.
September 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe it is exactly as stated. The Republicans want it to pass, as long as they don't have to vote for it. They have put themselves over country, as McCain has put himself over country.
September 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, and I'm betting the Dems came up with the plan that only 60% would vote on it.
September 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time for Obama to twist a few Democratic arms into switching their votes. They're not that far away. Then he can tell the American people that the Democrats are the party of adults. While the R's were busy posturing and whining and sticking to their almighty "principles" it was the Democrats who rolled up their sleeves and got things done.
September 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
He needs to goad McCain into getting a majority of the House Republicans to vote for the measure. Since John bragged that he had the deal sewn up.
September 29, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Screw McCain. Obama needs to step up and exert some leadership to get a few more Democrats to vote for this. People respond to leadership, even when they don't necessarily agree with the person. Ronald Reagan is exhibit A.
It's called statesmanship, and it's been a hell of a long time since we've seen it.
September 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would only say do that if they strip out some of the compromise provisions and implement the transaction tax Pelosi floated. Pass it and send it to the White House.
Passing the exact bill with mostly Democratic support gives the Republicans exactly what they want, their cake and eat it too.
September 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's all the discussion? The answer is yes. Unequivocally. We've known this about McCain for a long time: if Bush is a shoot-from-the-hip guy, McCain shoots before he gets it out of the holster. Thus, the holes in his feet. Yes, the answer is yes!
September 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Truly, this is the most awful self-immolation of any political campaign ever!
Ritual sepuku of mcShame. Public Shaming! By his congressional "friedns." And the Stock Market.
I truly believe things will settle down on Nov 5 when NO Drama Obama is elected.
September 29, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a crisis of leadership all around here. But mostly it's Bush's crisis. His Wall Street ghoul, Paulson, came out and said, "Hey remember a few weeks ago when I said everything was peachy. Well I was 100 percent wrong so let me drain the treasury right now to solve it and don't you dare ask any questions." The rational answer to this would be, F U.
But instead of coming up with their own bill, which is what they MUST do now, the Dems in Congress simply genuflect to Bush and make a few gentle tweaks to the language of it. Someone needs to come forth and EXPLAIN how this is supposed to work and why this is necessary. And it is not, "Give us the money or all your family will die," as Bush has done.
September 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems to me there are two different groups of people who are against this bailout: 1) the majority of the public who detest having to bail out the fatcats who got us in this situation in the first place; and 2)the Ron Paulite-type of Republicans who are opposed to regulation of any kind. The two groups are politically incompatible, even though they are both against the bailout. The problem for the Dem leadership is to make clear that this is a failure of de-regulation, not a failure of too much regulation. McCain cannot conciliate between the wishes and needs of both groups, I suspect. But what I personally believe the Dem leadership needs to do is move on beyond this plan, perhaps start looking a nationalization solution.
September 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Burton talking about McCain on MSNBC earlier:
September 29, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fiddling while Rome burned.
September 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes indeed. That's how I feel about it.
I'm really pissed off, Thera. This is one childish mofoing stunt. From start to finish - McLame's trying to use it to score political points, even though it was an epic fail, it still pisses me off.
I'm watching what we've worked for devalue by the hour while the Repubicans fuck around.
September 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's surreal.
But all to painful for people coming home today who have big debts and no medical insurance and kids and jobs going out the window.
September 29, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Vote Augustus? Vote Caligula? Oh I get it Vote Gaius McCain / Servilla!
September 29, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
AP House vote:
All 8 Arizona House members vote NO on bailout.
4 Democrats
4 Republicans
Every single fucking Congressman from McCain's own state voted against what he wanted.
EPIC FAIL.
September 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
And one that was preceded by this:
NO matter that the average person isn't going to be immediately aware of this. The media is, and will bring it up repeatedly.
Starting from 9/15, the McCain campaign has been lurching from one position to the other.
Scratch that. Starting from 8/29.
September 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just like he took credit last Friday morning for winning the debate that hadn't yet occurred!
September 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is without a doubt a GOP plan to have House Republicans vote against the bailout of Wall St. to avoid biggest financial disaster so it would create headlines to shift focus away from John McCain deficit in the polls and perceived loss in the 1st debate.
McCain is truely playing politics. One has to wonder now will he go as far to say next that his running mate Sarah Palin won't be able to participate in the VP debate against Joe Biden.
America you are being had by the Republicans.
This disaster is the results of lack of oversight by a Republican administration.
It's time we all come together and say No! No to Republicans, no to John McCain and Sarah Palin!
September 29, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
And as someone said upthread, this whole thing is bigger than politics. But all we have is politicians, not leaders. I'm glad the bill failed though, but not for how it failed. Paulson should have been dismissed immediately, and fired, and the Dems should have presented their alternate plan. But there is no alternate plan because they don't know what they're doing. Headless chicken time. Funny, but this has caused me to take a step to the left, from progressive to libertarian. Full circle.
September 29, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree.
We have leader; their names are: Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank...
and I'm ever so glad you are glad it failed. Hope you didn't have a 401K or a retirement portfolio.
jesus
September 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you... what? Recommend throwing a billion dollars into a hole and pray that it will work? Do you know something everyone else doesn't? BTW, I do have a 401K. It is taking a hit.
September 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Next, I'm expecting Paliln to return to Alaska to push back the Russian incursion that will occur, when a Navy Seal is spotted canoeing across the Bering Strait with a Dr Zhivago hat on. No VP debate!
September 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The sliver lining to all this is that we won't have to listen to that stock Republican line any more:
"Burdensome government regulations"
September 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
On MSNBC, they're saying that the reason why so many voted against this, Republican and Dem, is that they are in tight races this year and are afraid to take the principled vote.
A lot of people on both the right and left are strongly against this package. Since Bush has no political capital, he is the wrong one to lead on this. Ditto Paulson.
On the Dem side, none of the big names are really pushing this in the Senate, and in the House, and they've lost.
Up until now, Obama has been right to stay in the background, but it may be time for some leadership. I'm glad I'm not one of his advisors right now.
September 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, kids, at least we are of a generation of Americans who can say they lived through a period of unprecedented events such as 9/11, the Bush v. Gore mess, the first African-American candidate, and what is, without question, the most f*cked up campaign ever run by a major party.
Our grandparents had the Depression and the War. We have these little monuments to idiocy, speckled from time to time with moments of breathtaking achievement.
I am drawn to Obama because I have a sense that he would be a transformational President, though I must confess to wondering from time to time: what, exactly, is the thing that will test his greatness.
I think this is it. We are in dire straits, boys and girls. Not the first time, and not the last for this nation. But it is precisely during times like these that Americans slap themselves out of it for a few minutes and choose leadership.
Watch Obama go up by the double digits, the absence of which the media wondered about.
September 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
These are challenging times and Obama seems like the right person to deal with them. One the best things about him, is his calm demeanor and healing, rather than partisan approach to important issues.
More than ever, his performance during the debates last week, is looking like the right choice. Respectful of all parties and above the fray is the way to go. If he does that and show leadership, he'll do v. well.
September 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, there IS that, I suppose.
You left out Katrina.
The invasion of a country that didn't do anything to us.
PRobably more, but I think I'm repressing a lot of stuff.
Enron?
September 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wachovia is based in N.Carolina. One wonders if the layoffs from their buy-out will hit before Nov. 4th.
September 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doubtful. Citibank's branch operations was anemic by comparison to Wachovia's, so there isn't a tremendous amount of overlap (I wouldn't be surprised if Citi, however, laid off several thousand from their operations). It was a good deal for Citi.
September 29, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of trust funds and retirement accounts in NC hold (held) Wachovia stock. That will probably hurt NC more than job losses.
September 29, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama cannot be seen and the guy who is blaming McCain. You gotta hope the media does it for him.
I think they will. Matthews is just the start, more will follow.
Oh yeah, let the countdown begin to the re-"suspension" of McCain's campaign.
10...9...8...
September 29, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time for a new, New Deal. I want the WPA and CCC back yesterday. Time to include the working class and get some money flowing again.
September 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are hoping for a depression?
Great. Is that Obama's wish too?
September 29, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. I'm hoping to avoid one. How about you? Laughing while Rome burns?
September 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
So creating two new massive governmental entitlement programs in the face of bankruptcy makes sense to you? Is that Obama's plan too?
September 29, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If any of us were able to go back in time to the 1930s, we would have been able to tell FDR how to end the Great Depression--just increase spending. Firms would have responded by stepping up production and hiring more workers. The newly hired workers, in turn, would have spent more, leading to more output and even more spending.
The government could have done this either by increasing government spending or by decreasing taxes, the two main tools of fiscal policy. Of course, it would have been hard to convince people back then that this was the right thing to do. Raising government spending while reducing taxes would have increased the federal budget deficit. During the Great Depression, most people (incorrectly) believed that the federal budget needed to be balanced if we were to ever pull out of it."
ECON 101. Taxes sure as hell don't need to go down. So- increase spending. Build jobs. Duh.
September 29, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.econoclass.com/GDPstrings.html
September 29, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
And that is completely irrelevant to today's situation.
But to you massive increased spending on entitlement programs is always a solution I suppose.
September 29, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
time will tell.
September 29, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
WPA and CCC as entitlement programs?
You are a idiot.
September 29, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
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September 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there some way to get rid of this guy..?
September 29, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
CEOs and lobbysts funded GOP House members killed the bill (2 3rd oppsed)because there was retraint-on-CEO-and-Executive string attached to it.
So CEOs and other executives succeeded to fail the bailout bill through their loyal GOPs, the recipient of regular campaign contribution, kickbacks, and gifts.
Where is the self-proclaimed maverick, one who cannot reach his own side of the aisle and brags about reaching across the aisle? Is he not part of failing the bill?
Did he not mean he would suspend his campaign until he did "necessary work" for failing the bill when he said he would "suspend my campaign and return to Washington until a deal can be reached in Congress"? Did he not mean "the deal" to fail the bill?
Freud is helpful here to psychoanalyze the McCain suspension of the campaign statement: It is called sublimation with relation to the desire of the conservative base of the party, in which he masked his desire to fail the bill by articulating the opposite in public, something acceptable in appearance but coded to be read as the directive in reversal. But introduction of the conservative bill at the end of the White House meeting and refrain from taking a position was a veiled endorsedment of the conservative base's position and his support's support for failing the bill and protecting all Carly Fiorinas, contribution base of the party.
September 29, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Astonishing. The country is on the precipice. Bush is a few months from bieng out of office. The bailout plan is to be voted on to stabilize he markets. And Pelosi decides this is the moment to try to place political blame rather than finding a fix. Pelosi through fuel on the fire. Astonishing. Pelosi needs to be removed immediately.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/184803.html
September 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You truly are Nero. Laughing and pulling scapegoats out of your ass while the country falls.
I hope your 401k is the first out the window. Or maybe that will be you? If we're lucky.
September 29, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you are hope that harm comes to me? I think you need a break.
September 29, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Astonishing, simply astonishing, that you could somehow mix up "through" with "threw".
September 29, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
So apparently you have nothing of value to add.
Got it.
September 29, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Majority of Democrats voted for the bailout proposal.
A Majority of Republicans voted against the bailout proposal.
Those are the numbers.
McCain could blame Count Chocula if he likes, and it still wouldn't change a damn thing. Those vote tallies put an end to that ridiculous claim.
September 29, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
9Wow, let me try that again)
Astonishing. The country is on the precipice. Bush is a few months from being out of office. The bailout plan is to be voted on to stabilize the markets. And Pelosi decides this is the moment to try to place political blame rather than finding a fix. Pelosi throws fuel on the fire. Astonishing. Pelosi needs to be removed immediately.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/184803.html
September 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
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September 29, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's rare to see GOP conservatives teamed up with Maxine Waters and Dennis Kucinich but that is what happened today -- a rebel alliance.
McCain's suspension stunt last week was attempted suicide. We'll see in a few weeks whether his suicide attempt succeeds but today's vote was an assist to that suicide.
September 29, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, nice to know the comments section doesn't change at ole TPM.
September 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
fogu fuck you
September 29, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fugu, Ill call your Pelosi and Raise u a Mccain/Palin for $777
September 29, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Fugu2, please don't go to Japan; they eat Fugu!
September 29, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
More unforced errors by a pilot that has wrecked four planes in unforced crashes.
September 29, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator McDoubledown doubles down, again.
September 29, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that it went belly up from people in his own party makes it sting even more. He couldn't bring his own party to the table.
September 29, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
He crashed his sixth plane on this inane stunt. That's leadership!!
September 29, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think McCain should suspend his campaign again, what the heck? It might work next time.
Or maybe McCain himself should be put in suspended animation, perhaps some future generation can revive him when a Republican actually has a chance to win the Presidency again.
September 30, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Over the past two weeks, McCain's done more leaps, twists and turns than a figure skater doing a long program.
Yesterday, he and his hacks took credit for the bailout before it failed. After the failure, he said that it wasn't time for the blame game and then blamed Senator Obama. I guess that Obama was supposed to be working the Republican caucus while the McCains and Sanctimonious Joe spent Sunday night dining at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel.
The Palin/McCain/Rover campaign really thinks that we're a bunch of idiots. Whatever works at the moment!
September 30, 2008 6:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Mans Best Friend. Obama should stop trying to get McCain to put the American people first and just get in there work with both parties to come to a sensible solution. He should know by McCain's behaviour at the White House meeting that McCain is only interested in scoring political points. Obama would show the undecided voters what a leader really is.
September 30, 2008 8:04 AM | Reply | Permalink