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What's The Plan To Deal With Palin?

There are two big pieces out that offer somewhat different versions of what Democrats are planning to do about Sarah Palin.

The New York Times has a long story reporting that the Obama campaign is mapping out big plans to deploy female surrogates to target Palin in various venues, beginning with Hillary Clinton, who's being "dispatched" to Florida on Monday.

The Politico, meanwhile, has a much more sober piece reporting that the Obama camp is largely going to sit back and wait to see how the coverage of Palin plays out, avoiding direct engagement with Palin and keeping the focus on McCain.

My conversations with multiple Dems suggest that Politico is much closer to the mark. The one chief fact in the Times article bolstering its thesis is that Hillary is going to Florida on Monday, a fact which was in any case reported right here on our humble blog many hours before The Times story hit.

There's no evidence yet of any central Obama strategy to coordinate surrogate attacks on Palin. Dems outside Obama's campaign were generally pleased with Obama's approach yesterday at a press conference, where he continually kept the focus on McCain and his refusal to discuss the problems facing ordinary Americans.

One idea that's being kicked around by Dems: Because huge amounts of media coverage of Palin are inevitable, why not start pushing the idea that she's upstaging the guy who's supposed to be at the top of the ticket?

The idea here is that her speeches will energize audiences more than his will, and she'll prove a stronger fundraising draw than he will -- facts that Dems can point to in order to portray McCain as being diminished and overshadowed by his more-charismatic and energetic number-two.

We shall see.


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"The idea here is that her speeches will energize audiences more than hers..."

Confusing typo. Should be "...more than his..."

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Hillary is going to Florida on Monday, a fact which was in any case reported right here on our humble blog...

I dunno.  This blog seems kinda, uh, uppity to me.

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2 thumbs up on that one!

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... Well, elitist if nothing else.

Seriously, maybe a one-two punch is coming?

From the clips I've seen, I've really liked how Barack and Joe have handled things.  Dismissive and focussed on McSame.

Especially Joe.  His self-deprecating, folksy, smile-on-his-face, unflappable demeanor is kinda winning.  I don't think he'll be much of a threat to go shooting his mouth off.  No way he comes across as angry.

OTOH, Hillary is well positioned to mock Palin.  A Hillary-wannabe if ever there was one.

So maybe let the Politico scenario unfold through the Sunday morning tongue-waggers, then drop the Hillary bomb on Monday?

It could be that both Politico and the NYT are seeing different pieces of the elephant.

Biden also made the wise move of building Palin up as "formidable" regarding her debate skills.

The higher she is propped up, the farther she falls.

Palin will likely be President one day. It is a mistake not to focus on her, but it is also unpatriotic. America must be educated about the disaster looming on the Republican ticket.

Oh, the fuck she will!

Yes she could. If you remember America chose a moron ( read : G W B ) twice, a demented guy ( Read: R e a g a n; he used to eat ketchup for vegetable in his diet ).

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You say that like everyone looming on the Republican ticket isn't a disaster that the Public should be warned about.

Palin is in a league of her own.

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Feh, she's Santorum in a power suit.

There's also this from Ambinder--

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obama_surrogates_urged_to_ment.php

--saying that Obama surrogates have been instructed to use Republican quotes doubting her ability and bring up the spector of Eagleton.

Does that mean Josh Marshall is an Obama surrogate? For the first time, I'm truly afraid.

And while Obama is playing it smart, it is up to us to keep the media focused on her inexperience, the hypocrisy of McCain's primary attacks on Obama, and the fact she hasn't been vetted.

I liked Obama's response to Republican complaints about unfair vetting, "I've been doing this for 19 months, she's been doing this for what, four days now?" (paraphrase)

This is a strategic disaster, to the extent that any coverage regarding the truth about Palin is possible, it will be driven by the Obama campaign.

For years we've heard that Bush's ANG record, recklessness etc. weren't covered because his opponents didn't push the issues. The media claims they covered the Swiftboat lies because the Bush campaign made it an issue.

With that said, even if Obama pushes the Palin story, the media will support the stupid corporatist beauty queen. It will be more difficult to ignore if Obama, Biden et. al. are driving the point home on the stump.

A-frickin'-MEN!

I think surrogates should mention how out of the mainstream Sarah Palin is, and Obama and Biden should continue to attack John McCain on policy issues. Tie Palin together to McCain AND George W. Bush. Look for photos of her with George W. Bush, looking up into his eyes in pure rapture.

"Look for photos of her with George W. Bush, looking up into his eyes in pure rapture."

I love that idea. I'm sure they're out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjuRMi_78U

I found one photo and saved it.

Do you have a link?

Now this is a bit sexist, but it's worth a try. Indeed, Obama should make the case (as strongly as they possibly can) that McCain is being overshadowed and, in fact, being ruled by Palin. Make him come off as a weak, emasculated figure; basically turn him into a pussy. Beat the fuckers at their own game and get the old man to completely lose his shit. Palin will play into it, as her ambition knows now bounds and the evangelical community will lap it up too. They ARE the Republican Party.

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Nope. Nope. Nope. This would only work if someone from the Right did it. Bill O'Reiley or Rush or someone. Otherwise, the Dems might as well turn a gun on themselves.

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Speaking of pictures, in the shots of McCain and Palin side-by-side, as they were at the convention, McCain comes across as diminished in size and sort of shriveled (Americans like tall, fit presidents), extremely old and physically awkward. Her physical presence juxtaposed with his makes him look like an old, infirm (think senile) has-been. Might be good for the Dems to post those pictures anywhere and everywhere also.

Meanwhile, as long as we're openly giving the Obama campaign advice (which our opposition is going to read regardless), let it be known that I prefer the "TIMES strategy" to the "POLITICO strategy."

Better to prepare for battle, should it come, then presume we can stay above the fray (also, conveniently, the path of least resistance). Kerry figured he'd stay above the fray, and look what happened. I've contributed as much as possible to the Obama campaign in the hopes that he'd actually use my money to FIGHT, not "sit back and wait".

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I've contributed as much as possible to the Obama campaign in the hopes that he'd actually use my money to FIGHT, not "sit back and wait".

I'm not maxed out yet, but I came close for the primaries.

I've contributed to the Obama campaign in the hopes that he'd WIN, whatever that takes.

They've shown the ability to both fight and dismiss.  So far, I've been pretty impressed with their decisions on when to do which.

I don't know if it's a coordinatined effort, but Sebelius and Wasserman Schultz (and there was a 3rd who I'm forgetting) had some strong words for her yesterday.

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Personally, I like the blank stares and statements from republican women better. Throw in the comments from the combovers on the first day, before they were able to memorize the memo, and you have some choice tv ads.

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I wish someone would take that interview Samantha Bee did with that old fart at the convention who said that Sarah's qualifications for the job were that - she's beautiful woman! And she's had all those kids! and turn it into something -

I really do.

That Samantha Bee segment was brilliant.

I love how she brow-beat that young woman into submission.

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I'll third that one. Hilarious. That bee segment spoke volumes and was better than any right-wing journalists' questions or opinions this week. I really want to puke. I didn't know that brokow was such a winger and gregory has been sporting major wood all week.

By the way, Stewart has been on fire this week. He was last week as well. I also thought the bathroom sequence on tuesday was unbelievably funny.

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Yeah he has been.

AS so has Stephen Colbert.

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I think all three are at work, and a good idea. Obama should ignore her, and focus on McCain. Surrogates should point out Palin's extreme, anti-woman policies. And Palin's celebrity ought to be used to diminish McCain rather than Obama. Getting drug into a fight with Palin is what her pick was meant to do, so I love the irony of having her diminish McCain. As unqualified as she is - she's more energizing than McCain.

All this ignores the fact that Palin is disappearing to shore up on foreign policy, etc. in Alaska. I might make some reference to "Alaska First" and a "lack of confidence" demonstrated by McCain, or merely let her disappear.

Ah. I like your take on this.

Exactly. I can't for the life of me figure out why people think we can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

For as much as I hate the Reeps, I have to admit, they know how to play the media game. And they've been really good in the past. This time around, they're not quite as sharp, but I don't think it would hurt if the Dems took a page or two from their playbook.

Different people take on different roles in a campaign, and can say different things about the opposition. The important thing is to not have people in one part of the campaign undercutting those in another part - that's where the Dems have really screwed up before. The important thing is for Dems not to apologize for what they think - have confidence that you're right, and that the American people are behind you.

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Ah thank you - not apologizing for what we think is key, IMO. You're right that we've done that and it just makes voters nervous.

Which is why it meant so very much to me that our leaders finally stood up during our convention and said in effect: we're liberals and we're proud of it because - and told us why.

And gave us our pride back.

And now is not the time to go back on any of that. Just stand up for what we believe in, tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may because I can almost guarantee you that voters will respond very well to that.

This sounds like the right approach.

With so many things coming out of Palin's past on their own, there's a reasonable chance that she will be completely discredited without the Obama campaign having to do that much directly -- a situation which would even more glaringly reveal just what poor judgment McCain showed in selecting her.

Of course, if these stories don't seem to be having much negative impact, then a more direct approach would be needed, but better the surrogates take over that job. As Obama stressed, his opponent is McCain.

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I love it that they are siccing surrogates on her. John McLame is the most boring off-key candidate ever. She's the only thing they've got to generate any interest at all.

So it may be best to keep turning it back to McLame - I don't know. The media now has it as a race between Obama and Palin, which is weird.

Goddamn the Repugs throw things off -

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John McLame is the most boring off-key candidate ever.

So, when is he gonna take questions from the press?  Is he hiding behind her skirts?

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I think the winning strategy is to do BOTH.

If the Clintons will truly get on board (and that remains to be seen, IMO), then the Democrats have four genuine rock stars to deploy to various battleground states and generate local media coverage. The Republicans have two, max.

Send Hillary out to take on Sarah Palin directly and in her face. Belittle her as a wannabe, attack her for the scandals, and remind women that voting for someone who opposes choice would be insane.

Have Bill out there talking about economics, primarily. He "feels your pain", and can contrast the economy he created in the 90s with the disaster Bush has made, and link the policies of John McCain to 4 more years of the same. Bill Clinton can do this with academic gravitas while also making a genuine connection with Joe Sixpack.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden attacks "his friend", John McCain, head on. AND BASICALLY IGNORES Sarah Palin. Be politely dismissive when asked, and say this campaign is about John McCain, while hitting him hard for all his flaws.

And finally, Obama can float above the fray ever-so-slightly, on a higher plane of the new politics he plans to bring into being. Firmly defend himself against attacks and point out the shortcomings of McCain -- again, dismissing Palin -- but primarily talking about a vision for the future and the policies he wants to enact to help us all out of this mess.

I think this four-pronged approach will work. If they split up, they could be in four states every day, and have 2 or 3 different people visit each battleground state every week until November.

A full court press. (And make McCain handle the ball. Lots of turnovers, I predict.)

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I didn't hear too many attacks on Biden at the GOP convention. They focused everything on Obama. Obama should do the same. Target McCain and mostly ignore Palin. You hit Palin for free simply by reiterating her policy agreement with McCain.

I think keeping the focus on McCain is the smarter startegy - especially after his horrible speech last night. Why give Palin more media oxygen and attention than necessary? Attack the weak link at the top of the ticket.

Ras a minor bump for Oxygen Thieves this morning

I agree. Ignore her until she makes an inevitable gaffe. Then pounce. Meanwhile, Woodward is coming out with a new book that slams Bush. It's time to attack the president and in effect tie McCain to him.

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She may be fairly gaff free. The campaign has her in hiding for at least the short term. Their announced longer term plan is to disallow all media questions for the entirety of the campaign. That is likely just a negotiating position, but the "compromise" interviews they'll eventually permitted will be friendly, scripted and editable.

She is giving her convention speech again now. So the campaign's story that she was going to Alaska was a lie. They lie about stupid little things and enormous things, it must be fun to them.

Also, do these people have anything to talk about other that hate and war?

Anyone have an idea why they are sending her all the way back to Alaska for her policy cram sessions? Chuck Todd reported that she will spend an entire week there, supposedly in part to see off her son who is leaving for Iraq. But it seems peculiar to me-why wouldn't they keep her on the trail making photo ops and prepared speeches here and there while also doing the prep work? Is it an attempt to keep her from any reporters? Why hole up in AK?

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I think jerking her back out of the limelight is the stupidest mistake they could make.

Once she's gone it's back to McLame, the most boring, uninspiring candidate of all time, maybe.

Lieberman is tutoring her on basic geography and the Neocon Manifesto, the lessons need to be given in secrecy. It is also probably simpler to keep her away from microphones in Alaska.

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She also has a few legal matters to attend to in Alaska and wedding plans to slap together for the eyes of the Lord.

McCaine should sit in; he needs a refresher course . . .

I think it could be both - sort of like Obama's national largely positive campaign compared to his targeted "local" attack campaign. He'll largely keep the focus on McCain when he and Biden talk, however will have surrogates take shots at Palin in selected states for the best effect.

Hillary was on vacation the last week, and just got back (leaving right after the convention) - I wouldn't be surprised if she ignores Palin for the most part, and focuses on McCain in Florida.

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Exactly!

As I posted in a reply upthread, the Dems have 4 rockstars, and the Repugs have, maybe 2.

Obama stays on a higher plane. Does the vision thing.

Biden attacks McCain. It's all about McCain.

Hillary attacks Palin, primarily. (What? Is SHE sexist?!)

And Bill gets out there to "feel your pain" and talk about economics and bringing back the good old days of the 90s under a Democratic President.

Checkmate.

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HE'S UPSTAGED! Perfect. Make McCain small as a result of being upstaged by a gimmicky lightweight fraud.

But as I've always said: Obama needs to be on the OFFENSE MORE. We should have heard this from the campaign already. Corrall the surrogates, and get them heard however you have to.

Obama camp also needs to throw a fit over he Walter Reed Middle School FIASCO. BE OFFENDED! Says it's this kind of incompetence that causefd the rats at Walter Reed under W.

FIGHT!

Forget Palin, the real race is between Obama and McCain. Actually its between McCain and McCain. McCain the "maverick" versus McCain the GOP loyalist. He says he puts country first, but since he has been nominated, he has only put the GOP first.

McCain vs. McCain on the Environment...

http://www.greenpieceblog.com/2008/09/mccain-vs-mccain-on-environment.html

Obama will focus on "John Bush", female surrogates will be freer to target Palin without getting the "sexist" label, and Hillary can attack both "John Bush" and Palin effectively. There is no need to manufacture any theme with regard to Palin "upstaging" "John Bush", just let it play out as is. She can only memorize so many talking points and hide from the media for so long.

Obama is smart to keep talking about policy, and pointing out that McCain-Palin don't want to talk about policies.

Hammer on that every day: What are you going to do about health care, jobs, housing, environment, global warming...

I would avoid the Palin psycho-drama and culture wars. (And ultimately, I think people will get tired of her and her divisiveness)

I think the media will vet Palin fine. If she avoids interviews, that will be discussed and create bad press. Pols don't do interviews because they like it, but because they need to. A defensive crouch by Palin is impossible for the losing team.

Finally, I do like the idea of using Palin as a way to insult McCain. Anything that makes him upset is good, since he lashes out and makes himself look bad. The housign gaffe needling was a case in point: 2 weeks of angry McCain reacts to mockery.

When attacking McCain on policy issues, refer to the "McCain/Palin ticket." I have no fear that Obama and Biden will stay on the issues now that the Repubs went all the way through their convention without seriously addressing the housing crisis, health insurance, education, etc.

You send surrogates out to make the case that Obama is better than McCain not that Obama is better than Palin. The latter would be utterly stupid. You choose surrogates who have appeal or connection to the audience you are trying to reach. It's not so hard to understand.

"why not push the idea that she is upstaging the candidate." If she IS upstaging the candidate then won;t everyone notice. Isn't that the definition of upstaging. Most likely they are going to send Palin in to the deep red states to rally the troops. I'd be surprised if it was otherwise.

She gas yet to open herself up to the press. If she does not then the inquiries will continue. The press hate nothing more than a cipher. If she does then she will have to answer substantive questions: Does she believe burning fossil fuels causes global warming; didn;t she support the bridge to nowhere; why did she hire a lobbyist to win earmarks; should the US only fund overseas family planning programs if they are abstinence only; Does she think the trooper should be fired? Why won;t she testify? Does she believe local politicians should ban books from public libraries; What policies of George Bush does she disagree with; where does she stand of John McCain's old position in comprehensive immigration reform? And on and on.

If she has legitimate and convincing answers on all those questions then fine. If not the press will keep at it. Obama doesn't and shouldn't have to do a thing, except to point out the lameness, falseness, or irrelevance of her inevitable attacks. It will be easy enough turning the attacks against her in a substantive way.

I largely agree with the strategy of ignoring Palin and focusing on McCain.

However, I think one tactic Obama should take in response to questions about Palin's qualifications is to say:

I don't know. I haven't heard her answer any questions about what her positions are. When she starts answering some questions that many people are asking, I think we'll all have a better idea of where she stands on the issues that matter most to the American people.

Take a subtle jab at both Palin, for hiding from the media, and the media itself, for being cowed by the McCain campaign.


Right. "I can't really debate her if she hasn't stated any actual policy positions."

Palin is not done yet. She will be McCain's pit bull, spouting out Coulter-esque attacks as she gleefully licks her lipstick for the cameras, and the media will eat it up.

Obama's disdainful "I've been called worse on the basketball court" attitude is the correct response.

One more thing: Palin's VIEWS are the big problem with her. She's a bit like George Bush, a folsky package on ugly fanatical inhumane policies. The GOP wants us to focus on the package, not on the substance. I would also make a point of mentioning her views on global warming, abortion, and so forth. Only 10% of Americans agree with her about no abortion in the case of rape or incest. 90% won't like it when they hear that, if they hear that.


ps. A nice jab I missed from Obama's response. Lowkey, but well served:

"I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want to be treated which means that their records are under scrutiny. I've been through this for 19 months. She's been through it, what for 4 days so far?"

I agree with this.

Again, I think Obama's campaign would be wise to subtly push the MSM to do it's job and ask Palin these policy questions.

Subtly is important, because Obama does not, under any circumstance, want to come off looking like he's whining or that the media is being unfair. That shit might work for the McCain campaign, but Obama would be hammered for it.

Double standard, I know. But that's life.

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I loved that - it was just casual and just right - it's the truth.

Look - the truth is always the best strategy - it really is.

Sarah Palin is yesterday's news. The Obama campaign is right to let them do with her what they will or can or dare and run against John McSame who, as luck would have it, has decided to make this a race about change

When the other guy wants to play on your home field, you don't say "no thanks let's go to your house"

Remember this election is about CHANGE. The task at hand McCain/Palin = Bush/Cheney

I think that the Dems need to look at Palin's work in Alaska and tie it to the traditional practices in Washington ("Palin built her own Alaska pipeline, and it led straight to Washington. She hired lobbyists...").

Then the Dems need to show that becasue of this, McCain's judgement is in question AND that change in Washington is impossible with one person who adheres to Dubya and another who has played the Washington game from afar.

My two cents...

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Yesterday's presser set the tone.

'Palin? She works for McCain. Why go after a surrogate when it's the guy at the top who's a problem?'

And let Palin's media relations fester. You know the MSM is gonna be pissy that they don't get to talk to her, so they may want to push that meme a bit...

'Well, we're not sure of Ms. Palin's position on that, you'll have to ask her.'

Oh, wait. You can't...'

'Well, we're not sure of Ms. Palin's position on that, you'll have to ask her.'

Oh, wait. You can't...'

Exactly.

To figure out a strategy, they need to make sure they have a real grip on the dynamic and understand exactly what the problem is.

In my view, the problem for Obama is two-fold:

- He's old news. She's the Obama now - the celebrity with a check-list of accomplishment.

- McCain adds "wisdom" and experience to her "pitbull". They are a pretty organic couple and duo, from the media meme standpoint.

- Any smug references like (She's been through it for what, five days?) are just horrible. He's falling into "likeable enough" once again

In the end the biggest challenge is this: She is co-opting his stardom while McCain is co-opting his message. In other words, they are trying to make Obama unconvincing and irrelevant by offering a "better" version of him.

That's the problem. It already suggests a solution. And the last thing Obama wants is to go after Palin the way Hillary went after him.

I missed one point.

Everything I just said points to the fact that McCain is turning the election into a very simple question for voters:

Who do you think has what it takes to deliver real change?

McCain(POW)/Sarah(Pitbull) or Obama (Celebrity)/Biden (Doofus).

That's what they want the question to be in November. That's what Obama needs to keep in mind when plotting strategy.

It already suggests a solution.

Which is?

Do not allow them to frame the question for voters in the way I just described.

Make sure to keep the question framed as Change vs Same.

And they're doing just that. All of Obama's ads push the "same" theme. He's not going to abandon that.

I get that McCain/Palin are trying to co-opt his message. I just don't think it has a chance in hell of working.

I think you underestimate the Republicans. Which, in fairness, everyone does all the time. The Republican strategy has always been built on two pillars: (1) find a branding theme and stick with it and (2) in the meantime, fight the Democrats tit-for-tat making sure to loop back into point (1).

And the biggest weakness of Democrats has always been responding to tit-for-tat in full force as if it was the real message and the real point. And often, it goes too far and often it backfires.

Like for example what happened to the "vetting" process.

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The Republican strategy has always been built on two pillars: (1) find a branding theme and stick with it and (2) in the meantime, fight the Democrats tit-for-tat making sure to loop back into point (1).

If that's their recipe for success, then they've failed already.

Think about it. So far, they've been the party of Bush (discarded), then the party of change (discarded), now they're somehow 'reformers' (if you find someone dumb enough to buy into that, let me know).

They haven't landed on a branding theme. Is it Palin's 'brand' - sneering attacks? Or McCain's (latest) 'brand' - reaching across the aisle to get things done?

Are they going to mock community organizers like Palin and Giuliani did, or are they going to admire them, like McCain alluded to last night?

They've been all over the map trying to find something that works against Obama, and they've failed so far. I swear, it's like someone handed them a book listing the mistakes Clinton made in the primaries and they're following it to the letter.

they landed on a branding theme when they nominated palin. now they are going to pick it up, run with it, and lay a couple of landmines on the way to stop obama from debunking it.

what obama needs to do is this: overall, continue with "Same" strategy, but refresh it, give it substance that goes beyond the tired 90% meme and the hugging picture.

on mccain:
- show him as a washington insider, cunning calculating politican, etc

on palin:
- show her as a typical orthodox evangelical. NOT extremist, but a typical evangelical stereotype that's decades old

on both:
- link their message to the original promise of bush (uniter not divider, etc, etc, etc) not just the current result of bush

this is obviously more complex than a drive-by comment on a blog like this, but i think it captures the idea

In your own comments, you have referred to Palin as a "celebrity" and positioned that as an advantage for the Republicans:

She's the Obama now - the celebrity with a check-list of accomplishment.

And then Obama as the celebrity, which of course you say is a disadvantage:

McCain(POW)/Sarah(Pitbull) or Obama (Celebrity)/Biden (Doofus).

I happen to agree partly with your first position - that Palin has taken the "celebrity" label away from Obama. That however, is a net plus for Obama, as it undermines the Republican attack vehicle over the past several months.

As for McCain "co-opting" his message - I absolutely agree with that. That much was obvious from last night's speech. Obama absolutely must combat that, and I'm sure he will continue to do that.

In short, while you see this as evidence of Republican cunning, I see it as evidence of retreat. They are losing the war and the next battlefield will be on Obama's turf.

The battle is now "My Change vs. Your Change" rather than "Experience vs. Change". McCain is following the Clinton campaign step by step. And if she couldn't win the "change" argument, why would you think McCain would fare any better?

When McCain says "Change is coming!" (the frontpage headline in St. Louis today) it sounds like he is endorsing Obama!

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Palin's image as a reformer/female pioneer cannot be allowed to take hold.

The family needs to be off limits, but other than that, it's time to cut her down to size. Voters and media need to be pounded with reminders of Troopergate, her past support of Ted Stevens, her eagernness to suckle from the teat of the pork-barrel, her tax increases and deficit spending in Wasilla and of course her extreme positions on issues like sex education, choice, etc.

Also, the media and the voters need to be reminded that a week and counting after her selection, she has been unwilling to take questions from voters or the media about major issues like health care, the Middle East, the environment, etc. Let's see what she has to say about SCHIP, No Child Left Behind, what is victory in Iraq, etc.

I actually think the Dems, or even TPM should set up one of those cheesy clocks to mark the time that has passed since Palin actually took questions from the press. Pressure needs to be applied

I like the clock idea.

If she's such a rock star, why does the McCain campaign need to hide her from the press and public?

People should show up at McCain events wearing t-shirts and carrying signs that read: "FREE SARAH PALIN!"

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Greg and all,

Palin will be a boon for Republican turnout.

But apparently the Republicans plan to sequester her for the time being. Let them. Keep her out of the news as much as possible.

The only thing to do is have as many Democratic women visible as much as possible.

Obama has surprised me at every turn, and I feel his "sit back and wait" is the right thing to do with this Palin phenomenon.

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lalo - what convention did you watch this past week?

There is no partnership chemistry between McLame and Palin - none.

Look at Biden and Obama - they are a team and not only that, they are a team that looks like it knows what its doing.
McLame and Palin are no team - they are two people that got harnessed together to try to save the GOP.

It's weird - he treats her like she is the newest daughter in law in the McLame clan. He really does - and it's not a reassuring picture for voters.

You are talking about things you see as a partisan. I'm talking about strategy.

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No I'm not.

I'm talking about reality and how this is perceived by people and most anyone can discern whether or not there is chemistry between two people who are supposed to be in partnership - to bring it down to a prosaic level - that is what makes or breaks a hell of a lot of movies - people can tell.

Dayum.

If you can claim to know how the mainstream voter will perceive this, you should go into political consulting business and give Obama a cal asap. You will be filthy rich before this election.

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So I guess this means you never go to the movies.


This isn't rocket science or political consultant fare - this is just common sense, lalo.

That's all it is and it's more obvious than any strategy.

The contrast in age is a bit creepy. She's young enough to be his next wife.

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Lalo's been engaging in some pretty wishful thinking all week, hoping that the GOP Odd Couple will miraculously gel into a formidable team.

Lalo didn't notice that Palin seems to be physically repulsed by McCain, trying to get him out of her space every time he comes near.

Hell, she probably insisted on less joint appearances so she didn't have him breathing all over her.

That's not a team. That's just a pair of social climbers, trying to put one over on the rubes.

"Real McCain on Genius" Union Web Ad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6xR-_fvUOY

(loses steam near the ned, but a good effort)

"Real McCain on Genius" Union Web Ad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6xR-_fvUOY

(loses steam near the end, but a good effort)

EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH THIS creepy promotional video for a workshop at Wasilla Assembly of God (Sarah Palin's longtime church)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJnhRhJW35o


When you watch this video REMEMBER...this was Sarah Palin's church for nearly her entire life.

The man with in the leather jacket donning a goatee was Sarah Palin's pastor from 1999 till 2002.

She continues to have close ties to this church and is involved with workshops there.

I think that the Obama campaign has it mostly right here, in that hitting her hard in any direct way might backfire. But it's also pretty dangerous to expect the media to do its job, which pretty much would be conceding the process of defining her to the Rethuglicans.

Here's what I would do. Attack her indirectly, by going after McCain with a vengeance, ie, What does it say about McCain that he picks a wingnut neophyte for his number 2 slot? Clearly he's pandering, incompetent, thinks women are stupid, etc. I really wish the Dems had been demolishing McCain from the start, instead of indulging in this ridiculous "my friend" rhetoric.

But this approach has the benefit of airing out all of Palin's dirty laundry (troopergate, wingnuttery, utter cluelessness), while still framing it as an attack on McCain, who's the real target. As for Palin, they should lay off her, but in a way that suggests that she's not one of the grownups and doesn't belong at the party. Really, the Dems should be making McCain/Palin, and the rest of the Republicans, objects of absolute contempt. For ideas how, you just have to see Wednesday night's daily show...

I think surrogates should always comment on how republicans seem like they would rather have her at the top of the ticket.

Oilbama needsd to stress that he is the one who voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill and that McCain voted against it. He needs to stress that he is a much bigger lightweight empty suit than Sarah Palin. He needs to stress that he is the one that is friends with Racists like Rev Wright, Terrorists like William Ayers, and Slumlords like Rezco. He needa to point out that while facing a true American Military hero he did not serve in the Armed Forces and has a bitchy wife that was not proud of America until people started fawning all over her cult leader husband.

"Oilbama needsd to stress that he is the one who voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill and that McCain voted against it."

Jesus Christ man, you are one inbred one trick pony - shouldn't you be somewhere with Matthew Weaver, Larry Johnson pelvically treating both of your prostates like a pinata? Douche.

Oilbama needsd to stress that he is the one who voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill and that McCain voted against it. He needs to stress that he is a much bigger lightweight empty suit than Sarah Palin. He needs to stress that he is the one that is friends with Racists like Rev Wright, Terrorists like William Ayers, and Slumlords like Rezco. He needa to point out that while facing a true American Military hero he did not serve in the Armed Forces and has a bitchy wife that was not proud of America until people started fawning all over her cult leader husband.

"Oilbama needsd to stress that he is the one who voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill and that McCain voted against it."

Jesus Christ man, you are one inbred one trick pony - shouldn't you be somewhere with Matthew Weaver, Larry Johnson pelvically treating both of your prostates like a pinata? Douche.

Oilbama needsd to stress that he is the one who voted for his buddy Dick Cheney's Big Oil Energy Bill and that McCain voted against it. He needs to stress that he is a much bigger lightweight empty suit than Sarah Palin. He needs to stress that he is the one that is friends with Racists like Rev Wright, Terrorists like William Ayers, and Slumlords like Rezco. He needa to point out that while facing a true American Military hero he did not serve in the Armed Forces and has a bitchy wife that was not proud of America until people started fawning all over her cult leader husband.

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Somebody get out the big ass tranquilizer gun and the rhino darts and put DemBillC out of his misery for awhile, please.

I agree with memekiller and others who say stay focused on McCain. The Palin choice succeeds if it draws the democrats into focusing on her. Judging from her speech and record of firing those opposed to her policies, she likes to play nasty. The more Palin is ignored, the more ridiculous, aggressive, and divisive she has to become in order to fulfill her campaign role.


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mccainPALIN 2008!!!

She really has taken over the ticket in terms of publicity and attention. They've put all their eggs in one basket-case.

I'm more curious about McCain's plan for Palin. Is he going to coop her up until the debates. Will he allow her to face reporters? Is she just going to be doing the same sort of heavily managed "town hall" gigs McCain does? Is she going to continue obstructing her ethics investigation in Alaska?

These are the things that I want to know.

Dems should start calling it the Palin/McCain ticket and see how Mr. P.O.W. reacts.

This is the Palin/McCain ticket.

McCain is not liked by the Republican evangelicals who put Bush in power. In fact, it appears to me (comparing him to the man who eight years ago called Falwell et al. "agents of intolerance") that he has been destroyed by them.

Very likely, if McCain is elected, the 25th amendment will come into play not far into the term and Palin will become President.

I do not know of one election in Americna history where the VEEP "won" the someone the Presidency. I seriously believe we need to calm the f down. Palin is not going to make the difference Nov 4th. It will be turnout, Obama doing the job on Mccain in debates ad money which given the state of the of polls from places like Montanta, Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Neveda, Arizona (yeh even there) and North Carolina Mccain will be on D spending vast resources to protect red territory. Obama can ignore Palin and will. If Mccain says why are you ignoring Palin! Easy reply "she isnt running for President you are". if MSM brings it up the same tact. This isnt complicated or nuanced it is simple and easy stick to what has worked. All this Palin strategic BS is a waste of time. She is a media darling with many different angles to look at and in the inevitable circle of interest, wow etc there will be the reality check moment and even if that doesnt happen Mccain is te nominee and no amount of moose burger buffets will change that. Beat up Mccain, 90%, 90%, same, same, same, ignore the soap opera and keep on message which is exactly what Obama has done time and time again and the results speak for themselves.

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LBJ for JFK.

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No one needs to attack Sarah Palin, and Obama should continue to walk past her and go after McCain. McCain is the guy running for president, and the Obama campaign needs to point that out repeatedly. Raising questions about her fitness to lead if something were to happen to McCain are counterproductive. I imagine many on the far right would be more than happy to see McCain keel over his first day in office so their right-wing extremist darling could be installed as president.

Sarah Palin attacks herself every time she opens her mouth. I know her grinning, snotty sarcasm appeals to Republicans, but the percentage of Americans who describe themselves as Republican currently stands at around 27%. That's hardly a winning majority. I believe the rest of America is already learning to dislike her.

Obama doesn't have to do a thing to Palin.

The McCain camp is sequestering her from the press.

This will incite the press and they will push for avails.

Whether they get them or not, it will put Palin in a negative light.

She will either be seen as 1) afraid of the press or 2) will come off as inexperienced.

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Well, this is the gop plan for palin. They are shipping her back to alaska and keeping her out of the spotlight. Too funny. All they wanted was a prop and they will run with that prop through november.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Back_to_Alaska.html

No media interviews, nothing. Just back to cicely, alaska. I wonder if they will be able to keep her away from the aip, while she is there.

The media hysteria about her family problems has been a blessing for the Republicans since it has eclipsed her questionable record and her dangerous ideas. There was some fact checking of her speech but not a great deal in the rush to proclaim her a star. The Obama campaign needs to run ads bringing out her record (she raised taxes, even on business, and mismanaged her town, was the Queen of pork) and even more on her ideas, which should be threatening to women, Clinton backers, Jews, and independents who don't want to return to the culture wars. Her lack of experience should not hide the fact that she does have a record to run on and it is frightening. The alternative is to buy into the media narrative that she was not a mistake after all since she is such a big star.

LBJ won him some votes but the election? Come on that is a stretch. How about Sinartra and the mafia had a much bigger imapct. I should have been lucid on the point I was a little vague so again name me one electon in which the VEEP was the biggest factor that led to victory? This is being overplayed big time. I mean the woman had to read from a script in Wisc and it was the exact same speech she just gave! Then they are whisking her away to Alaska...give me a breka she is as I said earlier before the MSM genuflect a Potemkin candidate and it will come out.

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my only advice is to keep an Obama-controlled camera on Palin at EVERY public appearance. IMHO, she is at most 3 weeks away from a 'macaca moment' and we can't depend on the 'independent' media to report it.

I don't expect any racist comments to come from her, but I wouldn't be surprised if she goes off an elitist tangent about Obama that goes just a bit too far.

Or, since McCain is so favor of townhalls, have Biden challenge her to the series of 10 townhalls that McCain wanted to do with Obama. If the campaign isn't going to let the evil press ask her questions, what will be her argument that ordinary citizens shouldn't be allowed to ask her questions?


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The Obama campaign needs to treat Palin as the non-entity she is - ignore her. Today, on another front the timidity of the Obama campaign came through again. CNN showed a portion of a Biden speech. He started off with a long eulegy about how great McCain was, how wonderful a friend he is, how heroic he is. Then as he shifted to discussing McCain's positions, CNN stopped covering the speech. The net effect was the Democratic VP candidate praising the GOP candidate, and not even mentioning the Democratic candidate. That is a great way to get McCain elected as Presidential mentor to Palin as President. Disgusting.

Above all else, anyone campaigning for Obama needs to talk about Obama. Any mention of anyone in the GOP has to be negative or condescending.

For the most part, Palin is a Bush clone. She will be used to speak to the conservative faithful. It should be fairly easy to find video clips of Bush speaking the same lines as Palin, assuming she ever stops repeating her acceptance speech. Show a video of Palin, then show Bush spouting the same thoughts. This does not attack Palin at all, but identifies Palin, and by extension McCain, with Bush.

McCain is working hard to isolate himself from Bush. The more people see the ties between the two, the better for Obama.

I couldn't disagree more. Rule 1: go after their strength. That's Palin right now.

The message of McCain as weak within his own party is true and important.

Palin is the religious right, encapsulating them in every view. The fact that Joe Lieberman is not the VP nominee tells you the Religious Right controls the party, not John McCain.

So the maverick can't pick his VP. He can't control his party on immigration. He is a lame duck within his own party.

So, focus on Palin, in a coordinated fashion. With advertising. 'Get to know Governor Palin" ads. All on issues, funny though not demeaning.

Ad #1: reproductive rights: abstinence only sex ed, no abortion unless continuing the pregnancy will kill you (yes that's her position.) Vetoes spending for home for teens with new babies. Vetoes spending on special needs kids.

Ad #2: Anti-science: "Kids should debate" creationism in school. Doesn't believe human actions cause global warming. Suits against polar bears (all the same - rewriting science out of EPA conclusions) Juxtapose Democratic speech on how science makes us stronger.

Ad #3?

The dangerous thing about Palin is that her sarcastic belittling of Obama is what gets played every time she is on TV. And lies repeated over and over would get people to start to wonder.

Maybe community service isn't really a big deal. Forget that it actually helped poor people get jobs and stay in their homes and feed their kids.

Maybe Obama writes good books, but no legislation. Forget that he wrote bills to improve lives for veterans, de-nuclearizing the ex-Soviet states, and ethics reform and transparency in the Senate.

Maybe Obama really cares about civil rights of terrorists. Forget that the bills were dealing with civil right for you and me too.

Someone should do a "Shame on You, Sara Palin" to inocuate TV viewers from gullably eating up her lies.

Surrogates can't do it, since the media doesn't pay them enough attention.

It has to come from Biden. Preferrably after laying out the case that Palin holds various extremist views on free speech, abortion, and the Iraq war.

And someone needs to pounce Palin for not answering trooper-gate depos.

"What is she trying to hide?"

And she is not answering questions from the press? Not ready?

What is she trying to hide? If she is not ready to answer questions from a few reporters, is she ready to lead this country?

And then the AIP angle. She used to think it's good to break Alaska from the union. What has changed? Someone needs to ask? Why isn't the union good enough for her?

PS. If a pitbull bites you, what do you do?

To paint Palin as upstaging McCain is a fight that Obama-Biden do not want to get in.

There is nothing wrong with attacking Palin, as long as they are careful to not make sexist comments.

The adjective they should use with Palin is: arrongant. Only elitists can hire lawyers to cover up a legitimate bipartisan investigation. Neither you nor I could do that. As governor she arrogantly abused her own power, she arrogantly flouted the law, she arrogantly tried to cover it up.

btw, I can't stand all the hand-wringing from the Obama campaign. At The Bon Jovi fundraiser Obama reassured his donors that he would fight McCain's attacks on his character more vociferously than Kerry did. What is wrong with that statement??? Shouldn't *we* be attacking McCain? Why are we not on the offensive? Why be on the f*#$%# defensive all the time.

I agree that there may have been abuse of power BUT the ex-brother-in-law seems also to be a relatively ABUSIVE individual, which kind of gives Palin a Joan-of-Arc halo.

The other thing that I'm frankly enjoying is that the inexperienced Democrat who never should have become the presidential candidate in the first place is now being riddled with the same problems Hillary Clinton faced with him. Compared to Palin, he now becomes the "Washington insider". She's newer, fresher and more evocative of change.
She's pushing his nose in the dirt he did to women in general by not selecting Clinton as his running mate. Karmic return or divine retribution or simply the ironic twists and turns of a campaign, of life.

While I know that dealing with Palin is an extremely tricky matter, I am not sure staying largely mute is a good strategy. Like it or not, Palin is a national star now. I believe the Obama campaign should consider the following:

- Seize the rhetoric of sexism from the McCain campaign, charging that protecting Palin from legitimate media scrutiny is sexism.

- Obama should avoid taking on Palin but definitely deploy surrogates --- not just female but male surrogates (certainly Joe Biden but also figures like Howard Dean and Harry Reid and yes, Nancy Pelosi) to raise legitimate questions and criticisms about Palin's problematic record as a reformer. Bottom-line is: they have to puncture the myth of Palin the reformist/ maverick just as they have been doing with McCain.

- I am not sure if the Obama campaign should come down hard on Palin's lack of foreign policy credentials. She is now learning hard. And the Obama campaign certainly doesn't want to set a low bar for her. She might surprise everyone at the national debate just as she did at the convention.

While I know that dealing with Palin is an extremely tricky matter, I am not sure staying largely mute is a good strategy. Like it or not, Palin is a national star now. I believe the Obama campaign should consider the following:

- Seize the rhetoric of sexism from the McCain campaign, charging that protecting Palin from legitimate media scrutiny is sexism.

- Obama should avoid taking on Palin but definitely deploy surrogates --- not just female but male surrogates (certainly Joe Biden but also figures like Howard Dean and Harry Reid and yes, Nancy Pelosi) to raise legitimate questions and criticisms about Palin's problematic record as a reformer. Bottom-line is: they have to puncture the myth of Palin the reformist/ maverick just as they have been doing with McCain.

- I am not sure if the Obama campaign should come down hard on Palin's lack of foreign policy credentials. She is now learning hard. And the Obama campaign certainly doesn't want to set a low bar for her. She might surprise everyone at the national debate just as she did at the convention.

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