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Thompson Suggests Obama Doesn't Oppose Infanticide

A curious line from Fred Thompson's speech:

We need a President, and Vice President, who will take the federal bureaucracy by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shaking. And my friends we need a President who doesn't think that the protection of the unborn or a newly born baby is above his pay grade.

Obama doesn't believe in the protection of newly born babies? Seems like big news...

We think this is a reference to this from Obama:

Asked at what point a baby gets "human rights," Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: "... whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity ... is above my pay grade."

Just a hop, skip and a jump from there to supporting infanticide, of course.


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Wow. Born-again blood libel.

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I don't think it's possible to top that comment.

And it's the first one - I salute you for that. I really wish I'd said it.

Since even the Pope considers that question to be "above his pay-grade," as have all his predecessors (it being a widely held misconception that the Catholic Church has ever officially defined when life begins), Obama gave the only answer a person with any humility could give.

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Heh...you said "misconception".

To paraphrase Obama, the republicans are horrible at governance, but they are great at campaigning. Tonight was a good night for them.

Agreed. Fred had some fire. But then when we're not talking about Palin or current events and Republicans are free to sling mud at Obama, they're doing to do better. Fighting a straw man is what they're best at.

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Fred had some fire

Indeed. If he'd had that same fire as a candidate in his own campaign, he might have actually made some news and/or been in the race longer than 10 minutes.

Still, overall I think that the RNC has been a snooze-fest so far.

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Hello? Actor? Giving a speech about someone else is a role. Running for office, you've either got to be the real you or else stay in character 24/7 and I just don't think Fred had the stamina for that.

But how many undecideds are actually watching. And they get an weak crowd, Bush, and boring Joe.

I doubt 38 million people tuned in tonight. Now, if Palin gives a speech about Babygate, maybe they can draw Democrat-like numbers ...

I tried but I cannot bring myself to watch or listen to them. I would rather hear about it second hand. I am grateful for the wisdom Senator Obama has always shown to respect John McCains service. I think that once this convention is over his temperament must be scrutinized.

I'm like you. I made myself watch Bush and couldn't stomach another minute. I decided I'd come here instead and take the word of you folks about it all.

According to Politico:

And the phrase “newly born” refers to Obama’s opposition — on technical grounds rather than the merits, he said — of a “Born Alive Act” while in the Illinois legislature.

Correct. And Obama can get really hot about this as I witnessed in an interview with David Brody of Christian Broadcasting Network. Obama opposed this bill--but so did the Medical Association of Illinois. This charge is now being repeated at the RNC and I sincerely hope that Obama will come out with a stinging rebuke of this assertion.

It is nasty and exactly what I have come to expect from the RNC.

I read that article. Interesting stuff. Palin is in for the duration. Culture war over abortion, guns, etc. is all they got...

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...but it wasn't on technical grounds. He said if the language was the same as the federal legislation he'd support it, then opposed the bill that was offered to change the language to match the federal one.

Don't misrepresent the facts, if you don't mind.

Fact: Obama supported the federal law. Note there is NO federal abortion law.

Fact: Illionois already has a law ensuring that all infants receive treatment.

Fact: Another bill was presented in Illinois worded like the federal bill. There was concern that it would overturn the Illinois laws on abortion and it did not add anything to Illinois laws since the SAME THING was already part of Illinois law.

What part of this do you fail to understand?

What I understand is that too damned much of our time is taken up with "gotcha" bills like this one was. When will the Republicans start dealing with real stuff and not this endless "gotcha" stuff? It's disgusting and it's one of the reasons our country is headed in the wrong direction and it's one of the reasons the middle class (which I define differently than McCain does) is going under.

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Sorry, you and Obama are wrong as SchrodingersCat's post below shows:

"But Obama's claim is wrong. In fact, by the time the HHS Committee voted on the bill, it did contain language identical to the federal act...Obama’s campaign now has a different explanation for his vote against the 2003 Illinois bill..."

Retake reading comprehension classes. It will be good for you and for the rest of us.

These non-issues being given prominence by the GOP is the reason that the GOP deserves to be in the ashbin of history.

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From FactCheck.org:

In discussions of abortion rights, definitions are critically important. The main bills under discussion, SB 1082 and the federal BAIPA, are both definition bills. They are not about what can and should be done to babies; they are about how one defines "baby" in the first place. Those who believe that human life begins at conception or soon after can argue that even a fetus with no chance of surviving outside the womb is an "infant." We won't try to settle that one.

What we can say is that many other people – perhaps most – think of "infanticide" as the killing of an infant that would otherwise live. And there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus' life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion." Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony. NRLC calls this law "loophole-ridden."

You're right. He wants to kill babies. The more the better. In fact all of us liberals do. It's our hobby....and you figured it out. Congratulations.

Here's a pretty good summary of the issue.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html

I believe Hillary got 26M viewers for her speech. It will be interesting to see the ratings.

Who speaks tomorrow, other than Palin. I actually expect Palin to do pretty well given it's a completely canned speech and she has teleprompter experience.

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I think Rooody was bumped to tomorrow.

I humbly disagree. They are making this all about Mccain and trying to ignore the very party he is running with. That is a message not even the republicans can keep. Lieberman was on too late should ahve been first. Additionally it is a tired attack that Obama can easily dispell, in essence no resonnance. Low info voters remembers statements that get span into a constant theme. Where was that? Nowhere. More of the same that they understand, Thompson and Lieber,am swang hard and missed. Thompson was red meat boilerplate. Lieberman had nowhere near the fire of Zell Miller and that is what people remember. Soft spoken knives dont sway voters hard bludgeon with easy catch phrases do and I saw none of that.

i disagree. Fred did better than was expected. Traitor Joe made his points. CNN's David Gergan said it best, it started off slow, but it ended well for the Rep.

I guess it comes back to just how many were watching who hadn't chosen sides.

John McCain -- Putting the "ick" back in Maverick.

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O I love it! I really love that - LOL!

Me too!

They definitely seem to be a tad off balance. They're suppose to be the ones that excel at throwing the convention party. There is, aside from the far religious rightwing nuts, a certain depression sitting in. Hard to have hope when your stategy is based on the people buying that Alaska being next to Russia is foreign policy experience.

And, man, the arena cleared out fast.

The hookers charge double after 1 a.m.

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LOL!!!

I bet they all miss old HotTub Delay.

I'm still interested that Thompson said being a POW doesn't qualify you to be president. Why aren't the Republicans and media jumping all over him for saying that? Can Wesley Clark come back and get a fair hearing now?

EXACTLY what i thought! when i heard ole fred say that, i did a triple-take. "being a POW doesn't qualify anyone to be president, but it does say something about character." that basically plagiarized wes clark, but clark was crucified by the right!!!!

that was one of the biggest WOW moments for me last night.

McCain's decision to pull the interview with Larry King was idiocy. Now that's what they're talking about because this is the time (prime time) they were going to show the interview. So Johnny misses a prime time opportunity to speak to the public and instead you have the media ripping him and showing the Brown and Tucker exchange.

No, he missed a chance for them to ask him questions he couldn't answer.

Boy! It must have been a relief to have had an excuse to blow it off. A hurricane would have been even better.

The issues, and facts for that matter aren't on the Reps side. Cancelling the interview with indignation sets up for for them to cry media bias... which will lay the ground for the sexism charge.

Pat Buchanan just asserted, without evidence of course, that Palin "has a tremendous record." What?

When you've left with nothing else, lie.

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Since they decided to go all out balls to the walls batshit fundie insane this time around, I think this is just a lead-in to the real campaign: Obama the Anti-Christ!

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We need a President, and Vice President, who will take the federal bureaucracy by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shaking.

And will take the change that falls out of the federal bureaucracy's pockets and give it to lobbyists.

'We need a President, and Vice President, who will take the federal bureaucracy by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shaking'

Of all the dimwitted, populist crap, you know? This works with a lot of rural types. It's basically words without any meaning.

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We need a President, and Vice President, who will take the federal bureaucracy by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shaking.

Yeah, and then they'll line Congress up against the wall and make them chant:

"Who's the greatest of them all?"
"You are, O Great Santini, you are."
"Who knows all, sees all, and hears all?"
"You do, O Great Santini, you do."

Sullivan has just posted that two weeks ago Sarah's church preached that G-d was punishing the Jews with terrorism for their unbelief. She sat there.

What was that about Obama being ruined if they could prove he heard any of Wright's violent sermons?

Huh?

Well good, with Wednesday rolling around, I wanted her to have another bad press day, and jew-baiting seems like a nifty way to start.

The problem is the people they are trying to rile up, probably believe that.

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The infanticide part is part of a long-shot smear that's been kicking around lately:

The justification for Hudson's misleading "infanticide" charge stems from a proposed state version of the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act, debated in Illinois when Obama was a state senator in 2001. The most well-publicized portion of that bill would have required that any "viable" fetus surviving a late-term abortion receive sustaining medical care (something which opponents of that bill said was already required by a 1975 bill in the state). But because Obama voted "no" in committee and "present" on the Senate floor, Hudson reasons, Obama must have been in favor of killing viable, born babies -- especially since the U.S. Congress also passed a "born alive" measure in 2002 in near unanimous fashion.
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I heard that and almost threw something at the TV (fortunately I was out of range).

Last I checked, Republicans were all about the wittle bitty babies from conception through birth, but once those babies are out, the Republican attitude remains "screw 'em." No universal healthcare, no expanded Schip, cutting or capping other programs that directly support children.

And then they have the gall to stand up there and claim to be a protector of newborns.

Argh!

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, but once those babies are out, the Republican attitude remains "screw 'em."

I'd say Sarah Palin is walking proof of that, myself.


Ok, good night - :)

MSNBC is not letting go of the fact that this veep pick is all very last-minute.

Buchanan essentially admits we're at the Mendozza Line. If she gives a good speech, she lives to fight another day. If she flops, it's over.

The NYT is admitting their source for the secession party rumor was in error. She evidently was not a member.

Whatever is going on in St. Paul, the press has descended on Alaska en masse, armed with picks and shovels, and very soon Dateline Alaska is going to be shining a light on on all this.

i agree. John McCain is said to be a man who loves the press, but it seems as if he doesnt know how to work the press.

A few CNN pundits raised the point tonight that had McCain used the press by floating out her name earlier, the Press, via their investigations, would have done some of the vetting for McCain for free. But the fact that he kept her name in the dark, the press is doing now what it would have done had he floated her name out there.

Maybe the MSM is still feeling the sting of having been outperformed by the National Enquirer on the Edwards saga. Combined with McCain's now naked disdain of their role, perhaps CNN et al will start fulfilling their mandate.

She may not be a member but her hubby was right up until her election as gov. of AK.

So what? They'll score some cheap points that dopes and sheep will listen to, and regain some poll numbers. It's their damned convention (or convention of the damned), so we have to accept it. But I'm just not afraid of anything Fred -cough- Thompson -cough- has to say. Or the Moaning Scrotum that followed him.

"Or the Moaning Scrotum that followed him."

Boo...Fucking...Yah!

It happens every 4 years, but I always forget in the interim - the week of the Reep Convention is always the most depressing week of the year. It's the week where the most bizarre, offensive, and jaw-droppingly stupid ideas get passed off as normal and healthy social discourse.

Palin was supposedly a Buchanan supporter at some point. That's why he likes her. That and the fact that he's an idiot. I wonder how Traitor Joe feels about having a ultra lightweight and supporter of an anti-Semite like Buchanan picked for VP ahead of him.

Howard Fineman summed up Palin's job in the next 72 hours:

1. Home-run speech
2. Prep on campagn mechanics
3. Prep on domestic affairs
4. Prep on foreign affairs
5. Still governor
6. Still has 5 (or 6) (ish) kids
7. Utterly unknown
8. Party insiders are completely powerless in what is to come

The MSM does not like the unexpected when they have not been let into the loop. This is thudding. Sarah Palin is now the center of attention.

And whatever time and energy they have to spend defending Palin is time and energy they can't spend attacking Obama. With stuff like this good ol' boy Thompson horseshit.

Yeah, the sharks are circling. The press is looking for an excuse to attack.

Didn't Bush 41 try this same strategy in 1992?

Going to the well of the evangelical vote once again. Bowing to the James Dobson, Tony Perkins crowd by offering the extremist culture warrior Palin. Spreading lies that will circulate quickly through churchs and help the gotv effort. It's almost become a reflex to stroke this wing of the gop at just the right moment.

It's also another gamble by McCain. He hopes that middle America doesn't notice what he's doing over on the far right. From the looks of the latest poll numbers independents have already noticed.

What needs to come out is Dobson & Co. met St. Paul to annoint Sarah Palin, and essentially let their tribal god do the vetting.

America's Mullahs choose who Is and who Is Not on the GOP side.

I think Klondike Barbie will give a "good" speech, in that the media will eat it up unless she completely screws it up, and what are the odds of that? They'll put all the right words in her mouth, and she'll look good, and ... so what? She's still a joke, and the impression isn't gonna change. Obama comes out of this week still ahead 2-3-4 points and charging forward.

Actually, this is pretty mainstream stuff in fundamentalist circles which comprise the republican base.

The problems republican's have with Reverend Wright are twofold:

1. He's black.
2. He isn't a raving nationalist.

I think the obvious problem with making Sarah's pastor problems news is that it opens the door wide open for Reverend Wright.

Of course, we know Reverend Wright will emerge at some point, but the longer he's out of public view, the better.

Finally, as always: IOKIFYAR.

With the sliming of Sarah Palin by the scumbag Obamabots opening up her family and private life to be vetted why has the Mass Media exp;lored these five associations of Barry Oilbama

Oilbama remains unvetted:
1. Trinity United Church of Christ. Obama’s 20-year membership in an explicitly racist church, a church with rhetoric too hot for Oprah.
2. Rezko. Obama’s ties to Tony Rezko and the 2005 purchase of the Obamas’ home. Obama funnelling money to Rezko’s sleazy businesses.
3. Ayers. Obama’s extensive ties to unrepentant terroist Bill Ayers.
4. Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC). Obama and Ayers together dispensing tens of millions of dollars supposedly for educational organizations. Although now just being investigated, it’s known that money was funnelled to Ayers’ friend, radical Mike Klonsky, a founding member of the Maoist Party of the United States.
5. Minister Louis Farrakhan. Obama is surrounded by people like Rev. Willie Barrow, a friend and admirer of the anti-white, anti-Semitic Farrakhan.

Sarah Palin looks like the Virgin Mother Mary compared to Oilbama's associates baggage and she did not even vote for Dick Cheney's Big Oil Givaway Energy Bill like Oily Oilbama.


*yawn*

Your logic immeditely withers in the light of an extended campaign where every issue you raised has been examined, debunked, and left behind. It's called "vetting," in case you weren't paying attention.

Sarah Palin, on the other hand, is a complete unknown, and what is known paints a picture of irresponsibility on Palin's part, but much more seriously, on McCain's part.

Everyone woman I know has the same view: she needs to be home with those kids.

Throw away your vote. The country is not going to be in a buying mood. It's already started tonight. This convention will be soon forgot, and the media, now spurned, has decended into Alaska en masse.

Hope you remembered to pick up popcorn on the way home...

There are people here who don't respect you, just because of all our trolls, you're the stupidest.

To me, though, that kind of attitude smacks of elitism.

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I'm almost 100% positive it's a partial-birth abortion reference. IIRC, there are some IL state senate votes on that topic that the GOP has been making noise about since forever.

Yeah, I just assumed that was a "partial birth abortion" reference. Of course they have to offer some fetalist language to satisfy the Christian-right base. Par for the course, I thought.

Here comes DBC. Jimmy Crack Corn and I don't Care......

The Washington Post has just went public with a story that contradicts everything that McCain and his people have been saying.

McCain aides now admit that the entire vetting process began last Wednesday, Palin was announced the following Friday. This is not the "lengthy process" that was first indicated.

As for the daughter, the campaign now says it didn't know about it. The initial statements claimed that they knew all along.

So we go into Wednesday, and the drip drip drip of Vettegate continues. Oh, and there's more but why spoil the ending.

The irony is Barack could not survive the vetting prospective VPs get -- not with Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Father Pfleger, Tony Rezko, his committee vote on the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, his Muslim father and stepfather, etc. Good thing for him he's the presidential nominee so he's not vetted by anyone.

I appreciate irony. The problem here is that what you've presented is not precisely irony, but rather a McCain campaign talking point kindly delivered on their behalf.

Also, if you dig hard enough, BO is not more than 6 degrees removed from the notorious Hollywood actor Kevin Bacon. True Story.

Hee hee.

As we can see here, even the great apes have a limited capacity for memory. Typically their active memory reaches back no further than approximately 2 months although they can remember associations such as family members from earlier.

Now, Dr. Zaius..there's a good boy..there was this thing called "Democratic primary election" many moons ago. In that, many humans were given information about the human named "Obama" (remember, he is the one slightly darker than the other human you may remember, Kerry.) The humans decided that this "Obama" was not going to eat their young and he became the leader of the tribe.

God, I wet myself. Hilarious

Wow, as Zaius proves in spades, the drooling, regurgitating-talking-points Repubs are getting positively desparate now! Nothing positive to say about their candidates says it all. Tee hee!

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You forgot the "he's too inexperienced to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency."

I agree that it is a good thing Obama is running for president. He was vetted by more than 18 mil voters in the primary, btw.

I was trapped in my mother's car listening to Rush and he was going off for at least 30 minutes on the "Born Alive Act" and "How Barack Hussain Obama VOTED to kill infants...Yes, Ladies and Gentleman - That;s who these heathen Democrats want to put in OUR sacred White House."
My head almost exploded. I only heard about an hour of Rush, but I'm quite certain that he has devoted months to this topic.


He voted (2007) against banning "partial birth" abortions because it made no reference to protecting the health of the mother under any circumstances.
If Fred Thompson or McCain or whoever is not in favor of preserving the life of the mother then they've just admitted to...what???

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Actually the partial birth abortion legislation does allow exceptions for the "life" of the mother. Stop lying.

i watched a bunch of it, and i have to say -- and it's not like this is any surprise -- but chaysus christ, that was the most homogeneous crowd i've ever seen. WOW.

invesco was like a microcosm of the american mosaic. last night looked like a gigantic ballroom dancing class.

I agree. This photo sums it up nicely:

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/a-liar-among-liars.html

My understanding is the Republican Party is against providing support, protection, health care, education, and opportunity to poor and middle class infants, toddlers, children, teens, young adults, adults, and seniors. What sort of protection for newborn babies is McCain for?

Why whatever kind gets him the most votes of course! I am certain he understands the transparancy of this ploy. It goes toward my loony-toons(tm) theory that McBrainless is totally in the tank for Obama ;-)

Hot bottled water. Only for the dehydrated ones.

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Your "understanding" is completely wrong...or you're lying about it just like Obama.

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Sorry, nowhere did it say the "Republican Party is against providing support, protection, health care, education, and opportunity to poor and middle class infants, toddlers, children, teens, young adults, adults, and seniors," which is the idiotic claim above.

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Ok, why is that observation wrong? You can't give tax cuts to a 5 year old.

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Because it's a false statement to say the "Republican Party is against providing support, protection, health care, education, and opportunity to poor and middle class infants, toddlers, children, teens, young adults, adults, and seniors." If you can't even realize that, any further discussion is useless.

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Huh? You are kidding right. What has the republican party promoted that falls within those categories?

The reason for the existence of the republican party has been to wipe out any federal government since the 1980's. Reagan wanted to abolish the department of education. Basically, the theory is to "starve the beast" by deficit spending to wipe out government programs that help the poor and middle class. Didn't you get the memo?

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It's only a curious line if you are blindly following the "messiah" and not paying attention to any questions about his stance on major issues.

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You could hear a pin drop during Fred Thompson's retelling of John McCain's POW experience. Impressive stuff indeed, but it also made a very good case for McCain being profoundly impaired mentally. Obviously the Republicans want to blow people away with this story, and in order to do that they must share details, this was heavy duty stuff, it is not to be taken lightly, this is what makes him ready to lead - and so on and so forth. But what I came away with is that McCain has got to be screwed up. Two whole years in solitary confinement, in a box with nothing but a slit through which to see the outside world? No one would be normal after that. Thompson's retelling should raise some serious questions about McCain's mental capacity.

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Yeah...go with that...you guys will win for sure.

Shouldn't this be called the Palin-McCain ticket instead of the McCain-Palin ticket? It seems the GOP love her more....

I have always assumed that Obama's answer referred to the Almighty.

Obama's states his beliefs regarding late-term abortion and "Born Alive" act with Relevant Magazine:

Strang (with Relevant): Based on emails we received, another issue of deep importance to our readers is a candidate’s stance on abortion. We largely know your platform, but there seems to be some real confusion about your position on third-trimester and partial-birth abortions. Can you clarify your stance for us?

Obama: I absolutely can, so please don’t believe the emails. I have repeatedly said that I think it’s entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don’t think that “mental distress” qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions.

The other email rumor that’s been floating around is that somehow I’m unwilling to see doctors offer life-saving care to children who were born as a result of an induced abortion. That’s just false. There was a bill that came up in Illinois that was called the “Born Alive” bill that purported to require life-saving treatment to such infants. And I did vote against that bill. The reason was that there was already a law in place in Illinois that said that you always have to supply life-saving treatment to any infant under any circumstances, and this bill actually was designed to overturn Roe v. Wade, so I didn’t think it was going to pass constitutional muster.

Ever since that time, emails have been sent out suggesting that, somehow, I would be in favor of letting an infant die in a hospital because of this particular vote. That’s not a fair characterization, and that’s not an honest characterization. It defies common sense to think that a hospital wouldn't provide life-saving treatment to an infant that was alive and had a chance of survival.

Any questions?

Like John McCain and Karl Rove, Fred Thompson obviously thinks American voters are stupid.

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And unfortunately, they have proved them right over, and over, and over again.

Not this time. Not this year.

I hope...

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Anyone catch the daggers flying from Roberta's and Cindy's eyes at Thompson when he mentioned McCain's having dated an exotic dancer nicknamed the Flame of Florida? That was a moment to behold. No one told him to take that out?

Thompson also mentioned that McCain believes in the sanctity of marriage. Maybe he meant the sanctity of second marriages?

I love your comments..especially the way you combine oil with Obama..very clever. Moreso than any kind of fact, those two words combined really ingrain a sense of hatred for Obama for his sleazy connections to oil and the Iraq war.

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