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"The Only One Not Calling For A Time Line Out Of Iraq Is John McCain"

If you would, take a minute to watch this video of a Democratic contributor to CNN demonstrating what seems like an effective way of going on the offensive against the GOP on national security.

The speaker is Democratic National Committeeman Robert Zimmerman, who might not be as well known as some high-profile on-air analyst types but is a CNN regular who frequently gets feisty with Republicans...

The GOPer is Bay Buchanan, who opens by saying that John McCain "owns" national security as an issue. Zimmerman counters by pointing out the extent to which the entire debate over Iraq has shifted towards Obama.

"You now see Prime Minister Maliki supporting the time line of Obama and President Bush," Zimmerman says, adding: "The only one not calling for a time line out of Iraq is John McCain."

That last line strikes me as pithy and attention-grabbing, the sort of formulation that other Dem surrogates might employ more often: It makes the case that Obama has heavily impacted the war debate while simultaneously isolating McCain and painting him as too stubborn to leave his corner.


Late Update: Let's scratch my previous Bush formulation. A commenter below suggests something better: "Bush has finally adopted Obama's position. Now the only one who doesn't want to leave Iraq is John McCain."


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To be precise,,,,,,,, the timeline should be Obama, Maliki, and Bush,,,,,,,,,, you know, the day late and dollar short Bushie?

I agree, Obama was the first one who even went public with his idea. I cant even understand why Obama isn't given enough credit for this.

McCain Having Hard Time Without Palin

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Didn't Bob Dylan write a song abut this?

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Didn't Bob Dylan write a song about this?

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Unfortunately this comments been used before -- media's not paying attention. They only hear LIPSTICK or PIGS or HOCKEY MOMS

This is tricky because putting your name next to Bush on anything isn't exactly the message Obama wants to be sending. But the campaign needs to make more of an issue out of McCain's erratic, unhinged warrior mentality being now backed by a foreign policy lightweight. Dr. Srangelove with Elle Woods by his side.

Pufferfish

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it should probably be the obama-maliki-bush timeline, then, as above commenter points out

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Yep. McSame and the EarmarkQueen. THey just don't get it.

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Ice Palace Earmark Queen!

Slow news day...

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This is the kind of stuff we need to drive home, day and night and night and day. It puts McCain on defense on his signature issue. It makes him look outdated and stubborn.

We also need to drive home that McCain only talks about supporting the troops but didnt' support the GI bill and said it didn't matter when troops come home from Iraq.

Instead of responding, we need to take the fight to Johnny McWar.

I agree with that.

Two ads that have to be made:

1. Highlighting McCain's shoddy record on veteran's affairs

2. McCain's comments about renegotiating the western water pact


Absolutely agree - McCain has been wrong plenty of times on this issue - now he is just stubborn and outdated - also forgetful, confused, frustrated and crotchety - in a word, OLD.

The man is TOO OLD FOR THE JOB.

Let's hammer this message too.

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The Corpse

Dead Man Walking

Wants to let predators go after your kids!


Absolutely - I heard he is a groper of interns in the Senate elevator - his wife is FURIOUS about his trailer-trash running-mate - and yet he is, sadly, quite impotent ....

And So Forth And So On

This is a great bumper sticker design.

McConJob/Phalin = Election Loss

Good idea on so many levels:

- Let's tie Obama with Bush and Bush's decisions

- Let's separate McCain from Bush and Bush's decisions

- Let's give McCain every opportunity to bring back the surge, withdrawal or victory meme, etc.

Smart strategy. Like every other strategy in the past three weeks.

How about: Bush has finally adopted Obama's position. Now the only one who wants to stay in Iraq is John McCain.

Give it up. McCain will be president. Once again the comments talk about taking the offensive. However, our candidate will not do it. We now see Obama behind in the polls, intrade and in controlling the campaign. Frankly, I am going to drop my Democratic party membership and move over to the Republicans. The Democrats are incapable of fighting.

I am sorry to see this country become a one party state. But I will join that one party to try to work from the inside. However, the Democrats have just lost my respect. They are either morons or cowards. Once again we go into the last 60 days of the election with our polls crumbling, the Republicans in charge of the message, our candidates disparaged and the public turning against us. Well screw the Democrats.

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Fuck off, despair troll.

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Excellent Term: Despair Troll!

haha!

You will be missed...

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I think you're on to something here. It's more important to be with the person who's in the lead than with the person you agree with on the issues! Attaboy!!

This strikes me as a pretty effective opening into painting McCain as not "the same" as Bush but even WORSE - why are no Democrats acknowledging that over the past few months Bush has gravitated toward Obama's stated positions from last year on Pakistan, time lines for getting out of Iraq, etc.

McCain made the decision to stand in a corner that even Bush has abandoned. That's not change we can believe in.

Here's another one - remember when McCain was mocking Obama for saying he'd go into Pakistan after Bin Laden? Bush has finally seen the light:

Report: Bush OK'd Pakistan Raids

Bush's actions recall the Voice Farm song lyric:
"It's my idea now, I did the work."

People are not fooled. Both McCain and Obama have said they want to be out of Iraq. And if articles about the national mood are correct, McCain's POV is favored based on recent news of progress there.

Way out on a limb: Is it possible that the October surprise will be the capture or killing of Bin Laden? Seems efforts are being stepped up there. I suspect Bush wants closure before he leaves office.

Remember when McCain angrily shouted at his wife in front of his friends and called her a "c***"? (Do look it up if you haven't heard. It's just a Google search away.) Well, here's McCain shoving a little old war widow in a wheelchair:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/51660.html

I wonder what we'd be hearing if Obama had behaved in such a manner.

Why, oh why, hasn't this story broken yet? This directly attacks McCain's supposed strength, namely, his honor and his character. Tell me who could think him of good character after reading about this? And it has the virtue of actually being true!

Why all the reticence to bring up damaging information that's true? Why don't they do to McCain what Biden says you ought to do to any lying bully---bloody his nose!

The money quote from the article above:

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Back in Washington, families of POW/MIAs said they have seen McCain's wrath repeatedly. Some families charged that McCain hadn't been aggressive enough about pursuing their lost relatives and has been reluctant to release relevant documents. McCain himself was a prisoner of war for five-and-a-half years during the Vietnam War.

In 1992, McCain sparred with Dolores Alfond, the chairwoman of the National Alliance of Families for the Return of America's Missing Servicemen and Women, at a Senate hearing. McCain's prosecutor-like questioning of Alfond — available on YouTube — left her in tears.

Four years later, at her group's Washington conference, about 25 members went to a Senate office building, hoping to meet with McCain. As they stood in the hall, McCain and an aide walked by.

Six people present have written statements describing what they saw. According to the accounts, McCain waved his hand to shoo away Jeannette Jenkins, whose cousin was last seen in South Vietnam in 1970, causing her to hit a wall.

As McCain continued walking, Jane Duke Gaylor, the mother of another missing serviceman, approached the senator. Gaylor, in a wheelchair equipped with portable oxygen, stretched her arms toward McCain.

"McCain stopped, glared at her, raised his left arm ready to strike her, composed himself and pushed the wheelchair away from him," according to
Eleanor Apodaca, the sister of an Air Force captain missing since 1967.

McCain's staff wouldn't respond to requests for comment about specific incidents.

Zimmerman showed the kind of fight that has been missing from the Democrats this year. I'm glad CNN has a contributor who's not merely reciting talking points, but is actually showing some original thinking. I've seen him before - he's funny, intelligent, and thoughtful. The Democrats need more voices like his.

BBC today has an interview with Gen. Petraeus with video in which he states that he would NEVER use the word "victory" for Iraq. McCain's spiel always ends with "We are winning, my friends, winning."

See even Gen. Petraeus disagrees with McCain. And McCain always, always cites Petraeus as THE authority on this matter.

This gives more credence to the ad exec TPM reader who suggested the Obama campaign replace their "McCain is more of the same" slogan with "McCain is worse."

I would love to hear Obama say this in one of the debates just so see McCain's facial expression...

"Throughout my campaign, I have showed you many reasons why John McCain is not change, but more of the same. But lately I've had a different idea. John McCain is the candidate of change for the worse!"

Zimmerman is highly under-utilized by the party. He has a very good mind for framing, something Dems as a whole sorely lack and sure need a lot of help with. I've seen Zimmerman a lot on Lou Dobbs (yes, you do have to sit through Dobbs to see Zimmerman) and have never figured out why I don't see him elsewhere and more often. The Obama campaign should really take note of him.

Zimmerman is highly under-utilized by the party. He has a very good mind for framing, something Dems as a whole sorely lack and sure need a lot of help with. I've seen Zimmerman a lot on Lou Dobbs (yes, you do have to sit through Dobbs to see Zimmerman) and have never figured out why I don't see him elsewhere and more often. The Obama campaign should really take note of him.

Zimmerman is highly under-utilized by the party. He has a very good mind for framing, something Dems as a whole sorely lack and sure need a lot of help with. I've seen Zimmerman a lot on Lou Dobbs (yes, you do have to sit through Dobbs to see Zimmerman) and have never figured out why I don't see him elsewhere and more often. The Obama campaign should really take note of him.

Geez, what's going on here on the site? Sorry for the echo chamber. This is actually the first post of mine that's made it to the board in the past week or so. New app? Old app gone fritzy? What's going on?

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John McCain "owns" national security as an issue.

The problem is, like the number of houses he 'owns', John McCain can't count the number of positions he has 'owned' on issues.

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