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Suggested Push-Back On Lipstick-Gate

What if Obama said...

"It's hardly surprising that Republicans imagine my lipstick-on-a-pig remark was a reference to Sarah Palin. After all, with her as Governor, Alaska has got one heck of a pork problem."

Just a thought...


Late Update: I almost forgot to credit the person who, you know, came up with this gag, TPM intern Joshua Sherman...


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I'd rather he just said:

Fuck you, you're unqualified and you can't tell the truth.

But, you know, society.

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Hey, that seems to be what is in the press today - just about what you said.

I'm really hoping for a Katie Couric "hot mic" incident.

One question. If this comment by Barack is so outrageous and egregious and sexist, where the hell is Sarah Palin? Why can't she stand up for herself?

Is she even alive? Why can't she talk? Why don't I see her anywhere? I only hear her name embroiled in controversy and she is nowhere to be found. She is the VP candidate right? Did she try to drive across that bridge to nowhere and end up in a black hole? I mean, what the fuck is going on? If you are a pitbull with LIPSTICK, you think you would bark back at least.

What a non-topic. I feel like I am watching a soccer game and someone just fell down and is making the most wrenching bitter beer face in the world only to get carted off the field and enter the game 3 minutes later.

She isn't alive. She can't talk. She's a ventriloquist's dummy, and a particularly repellent one at that. As I've asserted, I think she's a posthumous creation of Rod Serling.

Yeah, a recreation of him, or Carmen Sandiego.

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It's a good one, Greg.


The Republican's are trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Not gonna happen.

There you go talking about Alaska's Gov. again.

You could also say she is trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

BUT, if you said that you would be calling her a chicken and that would somehow be sexist because chickens lay eggs and she has eggs or something like that.

I've seen prettier pigs at the Iowa State Fair. Calling Sarah Palin a pig in lipstick is an insult to pigs everywhere.

I like it.

He should also use ABC's confirmation of the book-banning story to say something like "Sarah Palin and John McCain are trying to build a bridge to nowhere for our children."

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You could put lipstick on Obama but he would still be a sexist pig, sweetie.

This was one of the things that he did to Hillary and did not get called on. He would make comments which verged on the sexist and act very indulgent of crowd responses to them and didn't rebuke any of his rampantly sexist supporters. He'd be in a different position now if he'd taken the young gentleman to task who thought that ironing was a woman's chore. What if Obama had said that it was a bad to say that about women as to insinuate that shining shoes was a job for blacks?

I'm delighted that the McCain campaign chose the first suitable opportunity to call Obama on this maneuver.

Fuck off ignorant meatwad

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You could put lipstick on Obama but he would still be a sexist pig, sweetie.

This was one of the things that he did to Hillary and did not get called on. He would make comments which verged on the sexist and act very indulgent of crowd responses to them and didn't rebuke any of his rampantly sexist supporters. He'd be in a different position now if he'd taken the young gentleman to task who thought that ironing was a woman's chore. What if Obama had said that it was a bad to say that about women as to insinuate that shining shoes was a job for blacks?

I'm delighted that the McCain campaign chose the first suitable opportunity to call Obama on this maneuver.

why are you a racist?

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I'm just judging him on the content of his character: you're the one making assumptions.

nope, im judging you by the content of your character, sad, but true, I am using the same parameters that you used against obama. Hence, you are a racist. you see, it goes both ways...deal with it

nope, im judging you by the content of your character, sad, but true, I am using the same parameters that you used against obama. Hence, you are a racist. you see, it goes both ways...deal with it

nope, im judging you by the content of your character, sad, but true, I am using the same parameters that you used against obama. Hence, you are a racist. you see, it goes both ways...deal with it

He'd be in a different position now if he'd taken the young gentleman to task who thought that ironing was a woman's chore. What if Obama had said that it was a bad to say that about women as to insinuate that shining shoes was a job for blacks?

Uh, I don't remember him defending the "iron my shirts" guy either. It's not like Hillary/McCain issue a press release condemning every random person in this country who says something racist about Obama (and nor should they have to). You're just looking to get offended.

why are you a racist?

Take your faux outrage elsewhere.

Don't come here talking about sexism when you're obviously supporting a candidate that is against equal pay, reproductive freedom, and SCHIP.

Where's your outrage about McCain laughing when someone referred to Hillary as a "bitch"? What about McCain's rape joke? Didn't he say he would beat Hillary in the GE "like a drum"? Give me a break.

I like it. How about...

"You can put lipstick on a pig but you can't make the pig dance."

OR

"You can put lipstick on a pitbull, but you still wouldn't trust it your kids."

Uh, that is "with" your kids.

Or...

If you take a pig to the dance she better be wearing lipstick.

Or...

For more pork, get a pig. Lipstick optional.

A few points:

1) From now until Nov. 4, 'Sarah Palin' should be 'the name that shall not be spoken' at the Chicago HQ and in the rest of Democrat-land. There is absolutely no point. From hence forth, 'Sarah Palin' should simply be known as the risky first decision that candidate JOHN McCAIN made, which, God bless her, she just is.

2) Pivot back to the issues. Every time the Republicans bring up something specious like lipstick, etc., the American people must be bludgeoned by Rick Davis's 'This campaign isn't about the issues' quote. If this is done effectively, the Republicans will say something like, 'of course we care about the issues'. The repetition of the 'issues' phase will (and should) get old, but if the Republicans don't actually back up their words, the disconnect will be obvious.

3) This Republican campaign isn't John McCain's campaign. It is the Schmidt/Rove campaign. As much as John McCain has changed since 2000, surely HE doesn't want to win the same way he lost in 2000. But the presidency of the United States is a tempting mistress, so McCain has ceded many final campaign decisions to 'Colonel Schmidt'. It has already been noted that John McCain didn't want the Paris/Britney imagery in the 'celebrity' ad but Schmidt insisted on it. The Obama campaign must call out John McCain on this. Rather than saying John McCain is no longer honorable, they should be saying John McCain is no longer in control of his campaign (which seems to be the case). Make John McCain say at a town hall that he stands directly behind every increasingly reprehensible move his campaign has made (which he briefly did during the Paris/Britney fracas), or let America know from every hill and mountaintop that this is a Rove campaign.

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Goddamn it - Do not dictate to me what I can and cannot say.

Who died and made you God?

I did. Didn't you get the memo?

I did. Didn't you get the memo?

Dammit! If I really was God and died I'd make my last miracle fixing the TPM posting server not appointing a replacement. Besides, I'd sooner appoint Tena (and thus guarantee my royalties on wind-up toys, Tena bobblehead dolls and action figures).

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You know, McCain really is kind of the invisible man these days. At recent campaign events, he's like the unknown date some celebrities bring to red carpet affairs - just a guy standing to the side while E! interviews the real star. The crowds chant, "SA-RAH!", but really don't care about the guy actually running for the president. The wingnuts have been saying for months that Palin and/or Jindal are the future of their wacky movement. They were writing this one off and looking forward to a Palin/Jindal or Jindal/Palin ticket in '12 or '16. They got their gift a little sooner. This isn't about McCain anymore...it's about Palin. The Palin selection was an admission of defeat by McCain - the Rove and Dobson faction beat him...and they beat him good.

And you're exactly right - McCain isn't calling the shots any longer. Nor is Rick Davis. This is Schmidt's show now and, by extension, Karl Rove's and Dr. Dobson's.

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does mcWar even campaign without mooselini these days?

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No and this idea that she is a distraction is dead wrong, IMO.

IT doesn't matter which one you talk about - it's all about that ticket =- McLame-Palin -

So what is the deal with "distraction"? It's all one -

mooselini - are you seeking employment as a headline writer for the New York Post? Excellent!

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some commenter at balloon juice came up with it. tasty, no?

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Nice.

I really like that a lot.

How about:

Next time I'll just use John McCain's favorite word: C*#t.

Pufferfish

"It really makes me sad to see what's happened to John McCain." Out of the mouths of Obama, Biden and every one of their surrogates, every single day.

I wish Democrats would use this opportunity to say that Sarah Palin is George W. Bush with Lipstick!

Nice one, Greg! I like it.

Josh was right. Obama should just keep using the phrase "Lipstick on a pig" to refer to McCain's policies. Let them scream their heads off about it. Who cares. Everyone know's what it means. Also keep using that other turn of phrase that describes them so well. "Liar"

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Co-sign.

Thanks. :-)

I think Obama's statement was actually great as is. It is getting tons of play, probably more than the attempts to spin it. And both CNN and MSNBC seem to have reached, at least for today, some sort of bullshit limit, because they are hammering the stupidity of this "controversy" and the hypocrisy.

And as I said, "the frame" seems to be becoming more about McCain's distraction attempts and Obama's attempts to get back to the issues. Except of Fox, of course. But even on Fox and friends, Meghan McCain and Huckabee thought this was off, and Fox is running those comments.

I started to handwring this morning, but quickly caught myself, and thus far am having a great political day!

Agreed. I loved Obama's response. I thought it was plenty forceful -- he shamed McCain by highlighting his trivial bullshit, and pivoted to talking about the problems that actually need to be *solved* in America.

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I'm cranky because everyone else has been handwringing and I'm damn glad that people are getting upbeat again.

God - look at HuffPo's front page - the press doesn't just have a slight taste of the blood in the water - they've been taking off limbs from the McLame Campaign today.

Agree with DK8- ROVE, ROVE, ROVE!!! Yell it from the roof tops- it's confirmed he is advising the McCain campaign- now hit him over the head with it, again, and again, and again. Then demand McCain stick to the issues the American people deserve to hear about. Point out McCain was lying when he said he'd run a clean campaign- and hit him with that. Demand he follow through on that promise- again, and again, and again.

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I said it myself upthread -

This is Rove revving things up and really, as popular a figure as Rove is, just call it for what it is - Rove bullshit -


I assume the "popular" remark to Rove is snark. Rove politics in the wake of Katrina opened the eyes of many a voter both Republican and Democrat to his disgusting nature. Everyone hates Rove- except for the most vile of the vile of Republicans.

Which is exactly why they should use. Loved Obama's remarks today, but I'm really surprised they haven't used Rove against McCain yet- seems a no-brainer. Especially since it was confirmed that Rove IS working with the McPain ticket yesterday (and by the MSM, no less). Perhaps he'll use it on Friday to let it sink in over the weekend?

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Well yes it was snark.

I've never heard one positive thing about Karl Rove - not even from Repugs. Nobody likes Karl Rove.

Everybody in the world hates Rove just like they hate Cheney.

Rove. I want that fuckwad renditioned.

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Well you and me both.


The thought of him running with the money and laughing at the whole country while he counts it makes me very sick.

What about a grass roots campaign to get Palin to give the $200 million back? I mean -- if she truly didn't want it, then Congress shouldn't have sent it. And if they did, she shouldn't have deposited the check.

Sarah Palin: Give us our $200 million back! (the petition)

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/giveusourmoneyback/

I wanna take back the word maverick. Here are some ad proposals from a earlier post.

"Eight years of lying, and where have they got us? The wrong war and well along the road to economic ruin. Now we have McCain and Palin lying their heads off. (Insert litany of lies here). Four more years of lies? I guess that's what they mean by "maverick." (Visual of fingers doing scare quotes.)

Or how about this. A perplexed kid asks, "Mom, what does this mean?" He pronounces "mav-er-ick" slowly (slightly stressing "ick") while awkwardly making scare quotes with his fingers. The mother gently pulls down the kid's hands. "Honey, I think it means a liar. You don't tell lies, do you?"

Or how about this. People sitting in a room talking about the Republican campaign. They offer a litany of the ills and griefs of the past eight years of Buch/Cheney. After each item (war, joblessness, foreclosures, pig slop ads, etc) the person utters "maverick" with a grimace. The others knowingly and sadly nod their heads. Ad ends with close-up of hands doing scare quotes with the voice over: "McCain/Palin: four more years of...maverick politics."

Okay, almost anyone else can do better. The point is, McCain/Palin have to be stripped of the word "maverick", and the way to do that (it seems to me) is to dirty the word until it begins to hurt. "Maverick" has to be made to equal "liar" -- or something equally odious. -- like "Republican."

I suppose it's a sign of desperation when total amateurs like me are trying to design an Obama ad campaign.

The last one seems to me like it could be especially powerful. Moreover, since Obama says he won't allow the campaign to get down and dirty, these seems like the one most perfectly aligned with his "McSame" messaging. I love it!

Or you could take it back to its *source*: a family of liberal lions in Texas politics!

The thing that's worrying me today isn't the stupid Lipstick thing...

Its a building pushback on the vile kindergartner ad suggesting racism. The same day the press itself is laughing at the McCain campaign's attempt to use gender politics, some Obama supporters (NOT the campaign) are calling the ad racist.

Now, I practically wanted to punch a kitten when I saw that ad, and decided at that moment that I won't be satisfied until I see McCain-Palin brought so low that I see them 3 years from now on Celebrity Boxing facing Screech and Tonya Harding...

But I feel its plenty scummy enough and outrageous enough without pulling the racism trigger. I'm not even sure its racist, just plain evil. And the yes, him with the creepy quasi-pedophile look at the end is gross. But not necessarily racist.

This *is* the pushback on that issue as well. It's about shaming the McCain campaign as liars and peddlers of phony outrage. You don't push back by saying "actually, sir, I didn't try to put a condom on your kindergartener" -- that's a losing game --

you push back by saying the McCain campaign has established a pattern of lies and distractions, and has forgotten what it means to have honor, or to care about our country.

I agree. In this case I just feel we shouldn't go for RACIST lies and phony distraction, just the LIES and PHONY distraction to sell you down the river. I just think playing racism is playing with fire unless it is hit-you-on-the-head clear. And this is so vile, it doesn't need that extra coat.

Plus, today seems to be a day where, at least for now, MSM is on a rampage against identity politics, so it wouldn't be the good day for that angle.

Josh, when you are done over at TPM you can come work for us Pinkomag.com! You can still work for free too!

That's good. But (at the risk of repeating myself from an earlier thread) why not broaden the criticism to establish the framing for everything McCain does over the next eight weeks?

"This is the kind of thing they have to do because they CAN'T run on the issues.

"Sen. McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time. Gov. Palin loves earmarks for her town and state -- it's not just her support for the Bridge to Nowhere, it's way bigger than that.

"So their reform claim is bogus, and it's getting exposed. And they have nothing else to fall back on, except phony controversies and false ads. And that's all we're going to see from them from now until Election Day."


It seems to me that is, in fact, what he's doing. Starting with his campaign speech comments about making a big election about small things...

- to "they must think you're stupid"
- to the "what do you say when you've got nothing to say"
- to today's statement that turned it around and chided McCain for focusing on distraction while we face big issues...

I see this as being the frame Obama uses to respond to all of this crap. I notice the surrogates are really staying on that general message and theme.

It seems to be working in the press war for today. We'll see how it works going forward.

I think, in fact, that is exactly what the Obama camp is doing. In fact, he started during his speech. He talked about how they will try to fool you and make a big election about small things.

- His "They Must Think You're Stupid!" remarks hit the same theme.
- Biden's "What Do You Say When You've Got NOTHING to Say?" lines
- Today's comments chided McCain on his use of mock outrage and fake controversy to distract and framed it as a character flaw, in a way. He even used both "Enough!" and "enough is enough"

His surrogates have been on point with this approach on every outlet I've flipped to. Consistently. reinforcing it.

And at least for today, he's won the media war on this. The MSM framing is really focused on the response and the ridiculousness of the charge.

Its a lot of factors, but I think McCain helped by overplaying his hand and trying to redefine a phrase everyone knows to be offended. That, and his delicate flower treatment of Palin and the press probably makes them less sympathetic overall.

Whoops. First one was eaten. Checked so rewrote. Consider the above an accidental double-post (though written differently)

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Nope. Too off the point.

The trick is to put it back on McCain and put a wedge between him and the Clinton dead-enders:

"If John McCain is really so outraged about saying "lipstick on a pig", how come that's exactly what he said about Hillary Clinton? Or did he forget that, too?"

Cynicism and sardonicism is great if your writing material for the Daily or Colbert Show.

Not sure it's going to win over undecideds. But it certainly is good motivational matter for the Base.

I love it!

I don't think Obama will say but 'hey' you just did. And we just can't live in the delusion that it is up to Senator Obama or Joe Biden to 'win' this election. It is really up to us. So, great job!

Pork is definitely a expose that a 527 could work with.

I also like the idea of looking at all of the 'costs' that the american people have paid for privatizing various government functions during the Bush administration. A sort of 'where did all the money go?' expose would be great!
Starting off with the fact that they had a surplus revisiting the cost of the war and 'who' benefited as private contractors in the war, etc. And then ending with the current defecit total or the prediction for year end 2008.

I see so many subjects being fair game for outside groups to nail that don't involve Senator Obama directly. I am going to write and make some suggestions to moveon.org. I am also wondering about why we are not seeing a convergence of environmental groups nailing Bush/McCain for their distastrous positions on the environment which becomes a more and more serius issue by the day. Ads like that can be used to distract from the national inquirer type banter... I mean hitting them on issues... instead of engaging the bs.

I do believe McCain's sleaze education ad yesterday was in response to Obama calling him out for having supported the abolishing of the department of education. Exposing McCain on education another 'smart' idea!

Palin's Pork Problem.

A little off topic but we should be having a very different discussion about Palin by this time. The one reason we are not having it is because Hillary Clinton is tacitly endorsing Palin's run by refusing to take her on.

She is the ONLY person and the obvious choice to match up with Palin on each and every issue they are trying ram down our throats.

For the same reason that I can count on McCain to be McCain in everything that he does, I can now count on Clinton to do only what Clinton is capable of doing no matter what: feeding her own voracious ego - spiteful, self-centered, deceitful and willing to put her integrity on the line for political gain.

In her mind, she is forever dodging bullets on the tarmac while the world burns (for women).

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O that's some real bullshit, that is.

LOL!


Are you suggesting that Clinton wouldn't have a significant impact on this whole fiasco if she weighed in?

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No - but claiming that she's forever dodging bullets in women's eyes is bullshit.


That's all.

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You said her mind =

sorry.

I have about 10 pages open here and I'm getting lost.

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Nope. Too off the point.

The trick is to put it back on McCain and put a wedge between him and the Clinton dead-enders:

"If John McCain is really so outraged about saying "lipstick on a pig", how come that's exactly what he said about Hillary Clinton? Or did he forget that, too?"

Exactly. Who better to address that than Clinton? Biden? I don't think so.

Why not also remind us all of ROVE and what happened in the wake of Katrina, and how this man, who played politics during a natural disaster and while Americans drowned, is now working for the McCain campaign?

http://www.salon.com/books/excerpt/2008/06/06/rove_katrina/

Meanwhile, the One-Hit Wonder, Hannah Alaska, presses on with her chart-topper, "Achy Breaky Bridge to Nowhere".

"Please don't build that bridge,
that achy breaky bridge . . . "

Biggest issue in America today? Two weeks ago, who could have guessed?

Now she is lost in nowhere alaska covering her tracks to buy time for 2 months.

And, as always, lost in this mumbo-jumbo junk of lipstick and racism discussion is a simple question: Obama said he would ignore Palin. But he isn't. Why? McCain needs to protect Palin. Why? There is some dynamic at play here that we are watching but don't understand. So, let's have a vote on what response to lipstick has enough snark.

All Kerry states, iowa, new mex and colordao and this thing is done. I totally diagree with Josh on national polls. Virtually all are using 04 model as are the majorty of state polls. MSM hacks dnt realize this time turnout will make a huge difference. In countless states during primary season Obama only led mere points going into election then he won in huge landslides, why? Turnout, time and again "shocked" the pundits. If this happens again all these national polls will look like a Zogby firesale.

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Exactly!

You cannot tell me that the national polls are accurate at the same time that the Democrats have registered 11 million new Democratic voters and the Repugs have lost registered voters.

Whether they vote that way or not - they aren't not going to poll differently and the sampling doesn't account for the different numbers here - numbers of Democrats vs. numbers of Repugs -

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Well yes it was snark.

I've never heard one positive thing about Karl Rove - not even from Repugs. Nobody likes Karl Rove.

Everybody in the world hates Rove just like they hate Cheney.

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Tweety of MSNBC is bitch-slapping the hell outta the McInsane campaign about the lipstick-on-a-pig comment AS I TYPE . . . Even right-wing tools are ticked off at the crusty old fart and the moose killer.

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Even right-wing tools are ticked off at the crusty old fart and the moose killer.

I'll lay it out again: I firmly believe that when big money found out who McLame's VP pick was, they had 50 coronaries and they've had 50 more in the ensuing days, as they've learned what a nutjob she is.

I would think any sane person or any greedy person would take one look at the possibility of her actually becoming president and instantly piss themselves, either in fear or by laughing too hard.

I do not think that the media wants Sarah Palin one heartbeat away from being CIC any more than we do. I honestly don't.

McLame is counting on the fundamentalists winning this election for him. That is insane. He totally threw the one argument that has won for the Repugs out the door - National Security.

There are not enough fundies to vote anyone into office.

Wow, Chris Mathews just skewered, absolutely lambasted, holding-feet-to-the-fire of this add, some flummoxed McCainbot being the hapless target.

NPR just did a great piece on Lipstick on a Pig. Quoted McCain saying it in ref to Senator Clinton. Then went on to get a farmer to put lipstick on a real pig!! Really good take down on McWhine sexist remark. Also did a bit on the Bridge to Nowhere and what a lie it is. They are really coming back on the McCain lies. What is that all about?

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Well I posted my theory in the comment about 3 above this one -

Are Obama and McCain still planning to do 9/11 tribute together tomorrow? Be interesting to watch the body language on this encounter.

Palin's Pork Problem.

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Why is it when Obama says "lipstick on a pig" the first thing that jumps to mind is "Sarah Palin"?

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Why is it when Obama says "lipstick on a pig" the first thing that jumps to Republican's minds is "Sarah Palin"?

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If the McCain campaign actually believes that Obama called Princess Sarah a pig, then surely they meant to call Hillary a pig when they used the same phrase.

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When ever I have heard Sarah Palin talk, and I hear about what her family and her staff has done to people who seemingly get on her bad side I think of "the dukes of hazzard" TV show. She is Boss Hogg.

Out to get her enemies
A small town Politician (Mayor of 6500, Govenor of a state smaller than South Dakota in population)
Smart, but really ignorant of the wider world (never having a passport until becoming Govenor)
A busy body...trying to know everyone's business whether she should or not, and messing with everyone's life. (as in christian conservative /Moral Majority)
Pork Spending, and stealing. (As in Bridge to no where, as in lobbyist hired in Washington, and a really wealthy state because of Oil)

The TV show is a parity of small town life in rual America. It is what Sarah Palin is and is so proud of. I thought it was some what funny back when it was on TV, but it was not real. Sarah Palin is not funny and she really is trying to be president... do we want a Boss Hogg in the white house... Todd seem like he might be as amusing as Billy Carter.

These are the associations I have of a hick politican jumping up out of her familiar Pond.

this whole manufactured nonsense seems reminiscent of both the run-up to the war in iraq, when real criticisms were ignored; and the war itself, particularly when things weren't going well, but bush kept saying that we were 'turning a corner.' and i can't help thinking this a chance for redemption for the press...although i'm not holding my breath.

also, maybe the best pushback would be an obama press release denouncing mccain's "war on metaphors, cliches, and analogies" and that if the mccain's campaign needs help not taking things too literally, they'll provide a handy cheat sheet for them.

and just imagine if putin used the phrase: we'd already be at war with russia!

Obama's remark "Lipstick on a Pig", gaff or calculated?

Only if you believe Barrack Obama is a gifted orator who knows how to play to an audience, would you be offended by a remark that seemingly jabs Sarah Palin?

You would also have to know the street use of this term, analogous to putting a paper bag over a woman's head before sexual intercourse.

Did anyone see Geraldine Ferraro on FOX News last night? She said, essentially, that if Obama is going to claim racism at every turn then he must be very careful about what he says that can be interpreted as sexist. . . If there are four candidates in this race and only one wears lipstick, he needs to be careful about what he says. . . etc etc

Transcript here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420816,00.html

Gawd . . .

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