Still More Polls Confirm McCain's Bounce
We're now getting a better idea of John McCain's post-convention bounce, with most new polls showing the race either tied or with a narrow McCain lead:
• The new ABC/Washington Post poll gives McCain a 49%-47% lead among likely voters, with a ±4% margin of error. Two weeks ago, just before the Democratic Convention began, Obama had a 49%-45% lead with likely voters. The internals find that McCain's pick of Sarah Palin has paid off with white women -- Obama led 50%-42% with this group before the conventions, but McCain has grabbed a 53%-41% lead now.
• The new CBS poll has McCain up 46%-44%, with a ±4% margin of error. Two and a half weeks ago, Obama had a 45%-42% lead.
• The new Hotline/Diageo poll has the race tied at 44% each. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 44%-40% lead.
It's clear that McCain has gotten a bigger convention bounce than Obama did, but convention bounces are themselves not exactly permanent things. They are the product of one candidate getting mostly positive coverage for a whole week -- and there are still eight weeks to go.















I feel so sorry for you Eric. Don't you have anything else to do?
September 8, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's media backlash... just like when they went after hillary after obama started winning during the primaries. people freakin' hate the media. the media are obama's best friend and worst enemy at the same time.
September 8, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nate Silver at 538 has a great post up about the convention bounces and how to compare them. You can only assume McCain had a bigger convention bounce if you take as the starting point obama's peak convention bounce. One could argue that the best place to start is the pre-convention period, in that case his bounce was modest and the race is essential tied now. The state polling shows some movement but: Obama is up in Colorado, still up in PA, still up in Michigan and TIED in Florida. Rass keeps putting McCain way up in Ohio but their results are very weird in comparasion to other pollsters so who knows.
September 8, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm fixin' a hole where the rain comes in, and stops my mind from wanderin' where it will go..."
- See Beatles, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
I've added a hardhat too.
Let's face a few little facts:
John McCain went out of his way to trample on the Democratic convention, the success of Obama's speech and distract the morning after to dilute whatever bounce Obama got.
Followed with the breathless reception of the media to Sarah "Mooseburger" Palin, and all of our overreaction to Water Breakgate, Teen Baby Mama and Redneck Teen Daddy-gate, Sarah Church-gate, Secede from Alaska-gate, Russia's Close to Alaska-gate, Pitbull With Lipstick Dance-Along, Noun-Verb 9-11 Spell-along with Rudy, And I-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i Will Always Be a Pee-Oh-Double-You-hoo-hoo-hoo Tunes and Toe-tappin' Fest with John-boy McCain.
With all of that, what do you expect? This will fizzle when Palin gets more scrutiny. And she will.
In the meantime have some shingles, some tarp, a little roofing tar, a hammer and some nails. Go fix the hole in your roof. It stops your mind from wandering where it will go. Then register a few neighbors to vote for Barack and help him win your state. The media narrative will be what it is... it's the ground game.
September 8, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric -
> It's clear that McCain has gotten a bigger convention bounce than Obama did...
I'm with Nate Silver on this (see his post today).
It is far from "clearly." But post-convention bounce was expected for both sides, that's for sure.
(Oh, and it is a bit annoying you don't seem to give a damn to a margin of error).
All I know is in the end this race is so close, and Obama must stop reacting and go offensive before the GOP turns the post-convention momentum into real. Things are still highly fluid now and Obama must keep hitting first.
September 8, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, many panic (self included) when the polls look this scary.
Please: keep those posts that just might make me unload the revolver (if you know what I mean) a'coming.
Robert
September 8, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you get a big convention bounce based on lies,
I suspect the harder you fall -
be patient
September 8, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The average convention bounce is 6%
According to ABC, McCain had a 4% bounce.
According to CBS, McCain had a 4% bounce.
According to Hotline/Diageo McCain had a 4% bounce.
I believe Obama had 8%. By midweek Obama will be back on top.
September 8, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin brought out the conservative base.
Obama's numbers don't seem to have changed much. McCain's has--it's that right wing, pro-life audience that responded to Palin.
The dems need to get out and vote.
September 8, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that's what I have been thinking since the Palin night. This is going to be a return of 2004.
September 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
No it isn't.
This is nothing like '04. Nothing.
David Plouffe is not Terry McAuliffe
Barrack Obama is not John Kerry and
John McLame has nothing that helped Commander CooCoo. Rove isn't working for McLame - they hate each other by all accounts.
This isn't 2004. It's 2008. In 2006, we won, big.
That's an intervening factor of some importance no matter how many times people try to claim it isn't.
September 8, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I mean to say is it is going to be a conservative base (McCain) vs mobilization of the middle (Obama).
I believe Palin probably turned off good part of the middle but energized the right and some working-class women, and McCain the fake maverick has gotten a bit of the middle for now.
That's why Obama needs to hit hard to rip away McCain's "suddenly change agent" mask to reclaim the fluid middle temporarily leaning to McCain after the convention.
Tena, I'm not either optimistic or pessimistic. We just must fight on, that's the whole point I'm making.
September 8, 2008 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
This sucks, truly it does. McCain didn't deserve any bounce out of his rotten, shabby convention. But - all of these polls have him up within the margin of error, or tied. That doesn't equate to McCain taking the lead - and this is during what is so far his best moment of the campaign, polling wise.
Worth remembering before we all bite down on the cyanide capsules. So to speak.
www.obamalondon.com
September 8, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it clear that McCain's bounce is bigger? Show me the average bounce for both to prove it.
Secondly, why do you point out the likely voter aspect of the ABC/Post poll and not the registered voter number as well? Is it because Obama leads in that one and it doesn't fit your story?
September 8, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Worth remembering before we all bite down on the cyanide capsules. So to speak."
Er, por moi that cyanide capsule might not be so figurative.
Seriously: people say this but rarely ever DO this, but as a British dual-national, I might just relocate.
Robert
P.S. Then again, as my roots are Irish, I hate losing fight--I might just stay. But if we lose in November, it'll mean three great candidates and three losses..... ?!?!? I might just have to rethink what I think of America, and that I compare to a root canal sans anaesthesia.
September 8, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally agree.
It is beyond me how Americans fall for this crap cycle after cycle.
The simple answer is that the Republicans have run much dirtier campaigns. But they also frame the issues much more clearly (even though they are lying). They paint things in black and white.
Even Obama's latest Maverick ad seems a bit muddled to me.
September 8, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCAin leads now with white women, 53-41%, revesing the previous Obama lead. I can't believe that this is the situation,absent a lamentable knowledge of what Palin stands for.
Some comes, I guess, from Evangelicals, but it's probably once again those working class women (though maybe some professionals too). Might be hard to get back, just gotta hope we can work on them. This is also something WE can all do, because I've already brought one back from the McCAin side. A Democrat too!!! WE all need to talk to whomever we can. Many of them did
not know her stands on abortion, on stem cell research, on work related issues, even on Creationism (though that's a tricky one to talk about, perhaps.) But we need to deflate the "reformer' tag and emphasize that she is a very conservative Republican and that McCain offers nothing concrete for the economy or anything else of interest to the average woman (and man).
September 8, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's getting awfully late to just be getting started with a large demographic like "white women"... let's face it, obama has a problem with certain large groups that voted for hillary. he needs to push the healthcare issue a lot harder. he needs to convince people that he's really going to end the war in iraq. and he needs to convince people that he's going to improve the economy rather than just blaming bush all the time for the mess (i know it's tempting and largely true, but people want to hear more proposals that make sense to them, and his message isn't getting through.) obama cannot allow this election to devolve into "who would you like to have a beer with?" or "who is more like me?" because too many people will pick mccain and palin without considering what they really stand for... it's sad, but true. i didn't understand that well enough back in 2004. i get it this time...
September 8, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she's a lot like Bush.
September 8, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't understand why there is so much emphasis -- or any at all -- on these national polls. The race isn't decided nationally, and if you look at either Nate's fivethirtyeight or realclearpolitics you can see Obama has a decent edge in EC votes. The people who are so ecstatic about Palin are in the "solid red" states anyway.
I'm so happy to live in a state that went for Gore, and Kerry, and most certainly will go for Obama, as we did in the primary... It makes me too complacent, I s'pose...
September 8, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton voters and hetro men are going to vote for McCain because of Palin (also Clinton supporters do not like B. Hussein Obama). Palin is a hot for her age. BHO f'd up. Barry should dump hair plugs Biden and put Hillary on the ticket or it's 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004 again. B. Hussein Obama is another loser in the long line of John "Swift Boat" Kerry, Al "Ozone" Gore, Michael "Willie Horton" Dukakis, George "49 state" McGovern, Walter "no beef" Mondale and Jimmy "Peanut" Carter.
McCain/Bimbo 2008!
Clinton 2012!
September 8, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, you've got a lot of ignorance, name-calling and hate all packaged in one cowardly post. You do know that Clinton voters are overwhelmingly voting for Senator Obama don't you? Not even close. But don't let facts get in your way. Repubs don't know how to handle facts.
September 8, 2008 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
if we can trust the poll data that shows that huge swing among white women, then i think you have to worry that there is a large number of disaffected hillary voters who are still not sold on obama. obviously, they are still persuadable, but the clock is ticking... as i said above, obama has to reach them with his message and for some reason it isn't getting through or they wouldn't find Palin to be very appealing...
September 8, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
the way the media covered the hate fest in st.paul and these polls confirm that the media will choose our next president. i am very worried.
September 8, 2008 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
wittingly or unwittingly, the media will pick the next president... media backlash is real. obama has benefitted from media attention, but he has also suffered from the backlash, too... too bad there aren't very many journalists left in the media (you certainly can't find many on cable news!)
September 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The bounce reflects the hard-right evangelical voters who now seems to have fully engaged with the McCain-Palin campaign. IMHO of course.
September 8, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah Dswx--We Democratz ain't fighting Democrats for bloody once. Let's get of our asses and get to the polls this year. Do I hear a nay?
I didn't think so!!
Robert
September 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Note to Mr Kleefeld: the (percentage of the) national vote total has nothing whatever to do with the outcome of US presidential elections.
Why are we discussing this irrelevant statistic?
September 8, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me make this clear; I'm am not a troll or Puma, I am an Obama supporter and is working in my State to help get him elected, but I'm afraid he has lost this election because he waited too late to fight back and most americans have made up thier minds. I don't mean to be negative but I'm a realist.
September 8, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fall campaign begins after the conventions so we just got started. It matters how tightly a voter clings to a particular voting decision; if that clutch is not tight, then the voter just responds to whatever is happening around the water cooler, or in the newspaper, or on TV, or maybe in blogs and then changes his/her mind in an instant.
This is what is going on right now. Those decisions are not firmly held and can be changed in an instant. It's nerve-wracking but it's the reality political junkies like us have to deal with.
September 8, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Off from the thread, but Biden continues to do great (though he, not Obama, should be a main attacker of Palin).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfmMrgMyn1o
September 8, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhh, psmdsfc, you were just so, so, well, so lame.
I'm sure you've really hurt Eric's feelings now.
I'm sure that he's now as sad as you must feel.
I'm sure that you are one hurt and angry little puppy.
Stay well, little psmdsfc, you will heal these very deep wounds of your childhood.
Or not.
Peace.
September 8, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the latest state polls coming out today - including a bunch from Rasmussen - are great news for Obama. Sure, Ras shows McCain with a big lead in Ohio but for some reason, he's always shown McCain performing much better in that state than any other pollster. I'd like Obama's lead in MI and PA to be larger, but coming directly after the GOP convention, I can't complain. (wonder what they would have looked like coming right off the Dem convention) A three point Ras lead in Colorado is nice. Florida is looking like it may be more in play this year than Ohio. (don't think the Palin pick helped McCain in the Sunshine State) VA still crazy tight.
If you throw out that USAToday/Gallup Poll, this thing is still basically a tie nationallly. And Obama threatens in Bush '04 states more than McCain threatens in Kerry '04 states.
That said, I'm still scared shitless.
September 8, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh, Josh, Josh:
Please do not fret over Senator Obama's poll position. He is the real deal if you will, I've voted for him three times now, Dem primary, US Senate and Dem Presidential Primary, and each time he was the underdog. Well okay when he faced Jack Ryan and not Alan Keyes.
The guy will NOT crumble under pressure and like most candidates work best in chase mode anyways. He is NOT a sprinter but rather is very calculating in his approach which has become more strident recently if you've noticed. He is also teamed with David Axlerod who while not known outside of the beltway is very very good. Think of this more as a mile race and not a sprint. I will guarantee that Senator Obama will cross the finish line first come November 4th.
I know it seems like forever since President Bill but the time is ours he/we need to stick to the plan.
Jim
Chicago, IL
September 8, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/retro-POLCALCULATOR.html
WSJ
Electoral College votes:
McCain:189
Obama:183
Swing: 166
September 9, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whaaa-whaaaa! He's losing. Whaaaaaaaaaaa!
Too funny.
September 9, 2008 4:29 AM | Reply | Permalink