Second McCain Adviser Sidesteps Question About When McCain Camp Knew About Pregnancy
McCain's top policy adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, was asked today if the McCain campaign knew about Bristol Palin's pregnancy before Sarah Palin was offered the Veep slot, and he offered the following non-answer:
Asked if the campaign knew about the pregnancy at the time of Palin's selection, Holtz-Eakin said, "As I said, what I think we ought to do is recognize that the governor was completely vetted by the campaign. Senator McCain has complete confidence in her as a running mate and as a future vice president of the United States, and the particulars of the family life of the Palins is really something that's best left to them."
The issue, again, isn't Bristol or her pregnancy. It's what the McCain team knew about this woman before agreeing, for its own political purposes, to put her within reach of controlling the most powerful military in human history.
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Given the fact that a definitive "yes, he did know before hand" would help his cause, we now know the answer twice over.
September 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if this story has surface elsewhere, but it's another indicator of what the McCain campaign would have discovered upon even the most cursory background check.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/palin-almost-recalled-as_b_122769.html
September 1, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I had read that, but certainly not main stream media.
September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
MSM not covering it, and apparently if you attack Palin Anderson Cooper will call you sexist.
Video: McCain Acts Presidential…Finally
September 1, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
you cant attack palin on this, because apparently Anderson Cooper will call you sexist.
Video: McCain Acts Presidential…Finally
September 1, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet Pawlenty and Romney are sitting somewhere feeling pretty virtuous about their families and state of affairs.
September 1, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just what I was thinking, and probably a vast array of GOP operatives and insiders. It's a good thing the rightwing religious based is fired up because the others in the party are probably just banging their head against the wall. "We had Mitt. We had Pawlenty. We had..."
September 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
And maybe even a little hopeful that one of them might be Palin's replacement.
September 1, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, this is the real issue.
And since Holtz-Eakin is savvy enough to know this, AND, savvy enough to know that the best way to put this whole little issue to rest is to say "Of course we knew about this very private family issue before we offered the position to Governor Palin!" we can conclude that they didn't know until Palin said yes.
September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
What did he know? and When did he know it?
September 1, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Peace be with you!
September 1, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The pregnancy story is relevant in the sense that it goes to the heart of McCain's judgement and fitness to be president of the most powerful nation in the world.
If he was informed about this by Sarah Palin, before he chose her, one has to question what he was thinking. This story is bound to take away from the convention and McCain's big moment.
If he wasn't told until after he picked Palin, it goes to the meme that McCain is lazy, perhaps addled and certainly not bright enough to be Prez.
September 1, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
And let's face it, if this had happened to a Democrat there would a wailing and a gnashing of teeth from the conservative factions such as this country has rarely seen. None of them would be asking calmly for restrain and family privacy. (McCain would simply say he had no control over what his people were wailing about. Maybe he'd cop a self-righteous attitude long enough for a few sound bites)
Instead the pundits would be screaming at the top of their lungs about "family values" and how it proved a liberal had no right to be in the White House...
I'm more than happy to see people like that choke on their own bile.
September 2, 2008 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
since the lot of you are politically astute, what would be the worst possible scenario if she were to drop out before nov.?
I mean, would he lose that radical right vote? shrugs.
September 1, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's what I see -
He loses all edge if she withdraws or if she stays. He's lost credibility to the point where he's really running on empty - whatever she does.
September 1, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
(dance a whirling dance)
And that era has already begun!
From St. Paul, Laura and Cindy are speaking before a 30% crowd. Jerome Corsey's ugly mug keeps popping up.
Feather-light, all smiles, all open those wallets.
September 1, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Tina, but think about this. McShame really wanted someone else (Traitor Joe) for the VP slot, but was forced to put Patlin there cause she was the darling of both the conservative and the christies. It was the only way to get their support for his run for President. Suppose he was aware of the dirty laundry she was carrying? What better way to shut the conservatives and christies down than to put their selected candidate into the VP prior to the convention and let it hit the fan! Once the dust settles, he can nominate a VP of his own choosing.
September 2, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see any way he'd survive if she was forced to drop out. I agree with Tena, it'd destroy any credibility he has and be a glaring example of his shit judgment.
September 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
My son, 29, an Obama admirer, said he had no problem with McCain's ability to run the country if he won, but he was astounded at the recklessness McCain's VP choice presented. He just couldn't get past the fact that McCain showed such poor judgment by selecting this woman with McCain being 72 yrs. of age, thereby endangering the U.S.
September 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Erm, yes, but these guys can spin anything. The real question is "How would the MSM respond?", would they be more willing to shill along with Option A or Option B?
It seems that the love affair with McMaverick is just about over. Which means there's probably no winning move for him.
September 2, 2008 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
She can't drop out now. It will make him look incompetent.
It's much better to look stalwart and unchanging and faithful and whatever the words are that were (and are) routinely used to describe Bush.
It doesn't matter if you're deeply wrong. What matters to the Republican base is if you stick to your guns.
September 1, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Incompetent and reckless. Conventional wisdom states that this is the most important decision for a presidential candidate. That he blew it because he shot from the hip after meeting the person once would be devoured by the press.
September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lesson he learned well from GWB apparently. Ugh.
September 1, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What HusseinTenaX said.
If Palin goes, so goes the Fundicrat enthusiasm. In order to keep them in line, he'd probably have to bring in Preacher Huckabee.
If McCain selects anyone else, he loses the Fundies.
But he's had months to vet his VP, so there is absolutely no excuse for this kind of nonsense. They should have know everything about Palin, including her husband's shoe size.
September 1, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of the husband, what do we know about him beyond the fact that he is an oil-field worker and a fisherman?
September 1, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: if she were to drop out, would he lose that radical right vote?
Interesting point. Palin will probably do a "need to spend more time with my family" (ya think?) thing. So that should mollify them somewhat.
I wonder how many Republicans will stay home because of the obvious competency issue? I would think that, would be the real kicker.
Terrific video up on YouTube goes to the heart of the matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJHJC5geXEo
September 1, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Review the history of McGovern and Eagleton in 1972. The only thing that McGovern did worse than picking Eagleton, was showing no loyalty when Eagleton left the ticket.
This could possibly be the tipping point of the campaign season: if Palin pulls out, in addition to all the negative things McCain revealed by his choice to begin with, it will be revealed that his "first decision" as President was a disaster.
Do not expect, however, it to be a cakewalk. I guarantee that the GOP (and FNC) will paint this as the Dems have prevented a good woman from running, the Dems went after a poor 17-year old girl, the Dems are not empathetic to a private family situation... and on and on and on.
And don't be foolish enough to think that millions of Americans won't buy it.
The most interesting question is who would want to step into the slot after she resigns? It's a career ender at this point. No smart politican would accept under any circumstances. Perhaps, McCain will get Lieberman after all.
September 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, this won't be a replay of the Eagleton fiasco with the Rove lieutenants in command.
McCain will steadfastly stand by Palin, even as she is forced to resign due to the outrageously unfair smear tactics of the Obama campaign who robbed Hillary of the presidency and now have destroyed the candidacy of another fine upstanding woman by violating all standards of political decency by dragging the personal lives of her children into the national spotlight. For shame!
(Or words to those effects...)
McCain & Co. have already begun the process of pinning the Palin pregnancy attacks directly to Obama.
Proceed with caution.
September 1, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
O Greggy - you scamp you! You're just trying to inflame my crush on you - I can tell.
hee hee hee!
September 1, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have heard/seen speculation that Palin will drop out. But I think the McCain camp is in a bind now. I mean- if she is bringing in money and enthusiasm- even if it's from people who were never going to vote Obama (but they might have stayed home) can he really afford to let her go if doing so A) emphasizes he made a terrible choice (ie bad judgment) and B) pisses off the right wing?
Any thoughts?
September 1, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the polls will tell the story, and it their internal polling will sound the alarm before we see it in the national and state polling, likely. Once it becomes clear that the lovely Sarah is proving to be a drag on the ticket, McCain will be pressured to drop her and he will comply. Will it create embarrassment? Sure, but they'll make some lame attempt at spin, they have no shame.
The challenge will be in finding a reasonable replacement, as others have stated upthread. Not just someone acceptable to voters, but someone willing to step into a clearly losing proposition.
September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rudy Guilani! LMAO
He would so want it.
September 1, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
He cant dump her. It would just confirm what people are already thinking. Folks might be able to stay numb enough to overlook it if he hangs in there. If she goes he's toast.
Look, given how much the other side is going to cheat in this election we better have the mother of all ground games regardless of how all of this Palin stuff turns out turns out. Folks better be voting early and making sure that their voter registrations are all up to date.
The powers that be know that an Obama Presidency means that a lot of them have a remarkably increased chance of going to jail. They can't afford for Grampy to lose no matter what sort of crazy bullshit he pulls.
So get ready for every sort of illegality. I hope we are ready.
September 1, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the most ridiculous angle I have ever seen TPM pursue.
The implication of Greg's careful words are simple: if McCain knew that Bristol Palin was pregnant, he would have realized that a mother of a pregnant teenager daughter belongs to home, hospital, bedroom, kitchen, laundry room.
That's why his judgement is questionable. He just doesn't understand the proper place for women.
September 1, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not quite. This is all about to what degree she was vetted. If he picked his #2 without doing really any homework on her, that says a ton about McCain. It goes to McCain's judgment and decision making process.
The fact that they won't say outright "we knew about it before she was picked" pretty much confirms that they didn't have a clue.
September 1, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Homework and the amount and nature of the homework is the sole right of the candidate. It's entirely up to a candidate. How he decides to pick a running mate and the criteria he has is his decision.
To try to link the pregnancy of Palin's fucking daughter to McCain judgement is just desperate.
Biden is an old pompous blowhard compared to Palin and that's what driving so many people nuts.
I swear this site has turned into a bunch of lunatics. They will never realize that his can backfire and I'm starting to thik it's a good thing.
September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not just the fucking pregnancy. It's everything that's been coming out in the past day or two that's all adding up. The pregnancy is just the latest. She wasn't vetted at all. The VP is considered the first important decision of a Presidential nominee and McCain chose his after meeting her once and not vetting her at all. Andrea Mitchell just reported that McCain has just sent lawyers to Alaska to vet her. That would have been a great idea, I dunno, a week ago.
September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
a month ago would have been even better.
September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
How in the world is the pregnancy of someone's daughter has anything to do with being a successful VP?
How in the world is knowing/not knowing about someone's pregnancy means that you are picking the wrong person? Because knowing/not knowing disqualifies someone from being a VP?
It's so hypocritical I can't believe how many people are leaking amniotic fluids on this blog.
September 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's not just the fucking pregnancy. It's everything that's been coming out in the past day or two that's all adding up. The pregnancy is just the latest."
September 1, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oki doki
September 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
After 8 years of incompetent appointments, from Harriet Miers to Brownie, I can't believe I have to explain the importance of actually vetting a Vice President nominee.
September 1, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's what the McCain team knew about this woman before agreeing, for its own political purposes, to put her within reach.... "
What other question about what McCain knew has TPM been so insistent on asking and that's so relevant to being a successful VP?
September 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not speaking for TPM, you'll have to ask Greg or Josh.
September 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Convenient cop out, isn't it.
September 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not at all. What TPM is doing and what they're asking has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
This is about what McCain knew about his VP before he picked her. Ann Arbor posted below a laundry list of items that have come to light in the past day or two. The pregnancy is just the latest. It has nothing to do with the girl or the baby, it's just further evidence that McCain was unaware of some of the most basic information about his VP and her family.
September 1, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hyper, are you for real??
Who did you expect him to pick, a Democrat??
I don't know what happened to people here, but it's dirty sleazy politics all right
September 1, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the fuck are you talking about? A Democrat? No. I expected him to actually know who the hell he was picking as a VP. Ya know, ask some simple questions, like, "Is there anything in your family that might distract from our campaign?"
September 2, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
What political world do you live in? Of course, her pregnacy is not important, but this a general election for president. Since this was going to become known at sometime, and people are going to make it news, a successful campaign wants to know everything that might be construed as negative. Otherwise you have a candidate who is "oh, hey, getting blindsided by something, no problem, we'll cross that bridge when it comes."
September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if he didn't know, it's important to remember that means that Sarah Palin, the savy politician she is, didn't think it was worth mentioning to McCain's people.
September 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
To try to link the pregnancy of Palin's fucking daughter to McCain judgement is just desperate.
But to link whether McCain knew of the pregnancy to McCain's judgement is pivotal. How? Hmm. Let's say a country might have WMD. But our president doesn't make sure he knows all the facts before deciding to invade the country. That might prove problematic if it turns out the country doesn't have WMD.
McCain made an important decision picking Palin without thinking it through. Don't defend the indefensible.
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September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not the daughter, it's the vetting. It's the huge disconnect between GOP litmus tests and reality. These are fair game issues and speak directly to McGrumpy's judgement.
The daugher's pregnancy is rather beside the point. It's that they cannot seem to answer a simple question about it: did you or didn't you know?
When you add Palain's draconian women's health policy, this is completely fair game. Bristol's is the kind of life you get to lead when you give up your rights. Her mom had made all her decisions for her.
Pax,
M.
September 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the right to judge the candidate on their homework is the sole right of the voter.
Katrina Disaster was in due in large part simply because Bush put Brownie in charge. So yes I care about the homework process.
September 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the Rove talking points begin to substitute for real argument:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/rove-at-rnc-biden-a-big-b_n_122998.html
September 1, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right, the vetting is up to the candidate. But it still says plenty about him. And the VP selection is hardly a minor matter.
In this case, it's clear that McCain did very little vetting. The daughter's pregnancy is just the latest item to come to light. How many of these other things do you think McCain knew about?
--Palin, McCain's partner-to-be in reforming Washington, was in charge of Ted Stevens' 527 group.
--The would-be reformer loves earmarks when they're for her town or state. (Was Wasilla the smallest town in the U.S. that had a lobbyist in Washington?)
--She was for the Bridge to Nowhere until everyone else was against it, putting the lie to her claim of having killed it (repeated Friday at her VP rollout).
--She denied firing the Wasilla police chief. How she thought she could get away with this lie when she had fired the guy in writing is mystifying.
--She lied about her staff and husband contacting Monegan in Troopergate.
--The Troopergate investigator was in the middle of arranging depositions, including of Palin, as McCain was making his pick last week.
--The Troopergate investigator's report is due out right before the election.
--Palin has flirted with an Alaska secessionist group.
--A couple of weeks ago she spoke favorably of Obama's strength in Alaska, and of his energy policy.
--At the same time she spoke with a blend of skepticism and cluelessness about the U.S. role in Iraq.
Looks like McCain the ex-fighter jock is still crashing jets. This was his most important decision as a candidate, and he blew it. Do we want someone this slapdash and impulsive in the White House?
I used to think he'd be bad because of policy. Now I think he'd be dangerous and reckless.
September 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. So let's stop this pregnancy idiocy.
September 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
No it goes to the question of whether he made this decision without fully vetting the person. Nothing more than that. If he knew prior to the decision, then there is no issue. But if it an example of something that he didn't know than it goes to their inability or unwillingness to vet. It would also go to the issue that Palin didn't inform him of this situation. Again had they talked about it prior, fine; after the decision, not fine.
September 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was that the top of the deck or the bottom, Lalo?
September 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Q: Do you waterboard? A: We don't torture.
Q: Did you know? A: We vetted her.
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September 1, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't care whether Palin's daughter is pregnant, and I don't really care if McCain knew when he picked her. But I have to wonder: Is this really what McCain wanted -- to have the first week after her selection, and the week of the convention, dominated by talk of teen pregnancies and Troopergate? I don't think you could get more off-message than that.
September 1, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And it's not going to go away. An ill-timed release of a report describing her Nixonian abuses of power will arive in October.
The problem is that she's probably in deep enough denial not to be affected too much by the kleig lights. It will probably have to be a GOP revolt before she's out and they are mostly smiles.
Today, at any rate...
September 1, 2008 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
What Rovish issue will McCain's campaign now start trumpeting to distract the public? I suggest:
GOD HATES GAY POLAR BEARS AND WANTS THEM TO DIE FOR OIL.
September 1, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the FWIW department:
Doesn't today's announcement that Bristol Palin is now 5 months pregnant kind of subtly nix the idea that Bristol delivered Trig on April 23?
Just sayin'
rich
September 1, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Possibly. Perhaps she's not pregnant at all this time around.
September 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
...or she is less than 5 months along. r
September 1, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or she'll suddenly have a miscarriage......
September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you familiar with the expression Irish Twins?
September 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Irish Twins are two siblings born in the same 12 month period. But if Bristol comes to term in December, that would be two in the same 8 month period. tks rich
September 1, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time will tell.
September 1, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I should have said that "Irish Twins" is a demeaning or derogatory--"breed like rabbits"--kind of term, and not one I would ordinarily use. tks rich
September 1, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I should have added that "Irish Twins" is a demeaning or derogatory--"breed like rabbits"--kind of term, and not one I would ordinarily use. tks rich
September 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Subtly? Every news story I've read has referred to the rumor in the first paragraph.
September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Five months...
Hmmm
When was Bristol quarantined from school with Mono, was it? Too contagious to attend school, but obviously had visitors. Hope no-one else picked up her bug.
September 1, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Stepford wives just appeared. They're now doing the benediction and adjourning. That was quick.
September 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't even think C-SPAN was ready for that. They've just been panning around the hall. Someone's probably frantically running around hall looking for the host.
September 1, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a working mother, I have to be honest. I own my business, and yet the kids always came first. There is absolutely NO way I would have taken on this VP offer knowing my eldest daughter was 5 months pregnant. One knows it will come out sooner than later, and I would have never subjected my girl to that kind of exposure. I would have passed. Nothing would be worth hurting my child to that extent.
September 1, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention that if they win (God forbid) Sarah would be in DC and fairly busy, and Bristol, hubboy and baby would be back in Alaska. Would Sarah really leave her high and dry like that?
I'm thinking Sarah's thinking, no way McCain's gonna win, but what the hell, I'll elevate my profile, move into party leadership, take the kids on the Grand Tour of the Lower 48 and even, at the least, end up a footnote in history!
September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah would be in DC and fairly busy, and Bristol, hubboy and baby would be back in Alaska. Would Sarah really leave her high and dry like that?
Why on earth wouldn't they move to DC with her like every other vice-president's family has done?
September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe they would, but they seem to be very, uhmmm, Alaska-centric, to the point where Trig had to be born there (thus the absurd birth story that got the ball rolling on this). And Bristol is getting married. I'm guessing the hubboy might not want to move East.
That's my scenario, it's probably complete BS, so good call on your part.
September 1, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think most mothers would agree with you, Amelie.
Here's the unfortunate truth - you can do that, Amelie, cause you work for yourself. Flip it around: Any man who interviewed for a job and said his 5 kids came first would likely not get the job, if it was a job of much responsibility or power. If women want into that world, there are choices that have to be made.
September 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the first vision of Sarah for America is a lady with five kids, youngest with D.S., oldest is pregnant, and she's leaving them to be VEEP.
There goes the Mom vote, and we haven't gotten to Troopergate, Preggergate, zero CIC xp, and the overall loonytoonery of this pick who would be a heartbeat from the nuke stockpile.
A single levee in New Orleans is under threat, probably going to go, about 300 homes will be affected. Let us hope that's it, because there's much more to come this season. Hanna, then Ike, and the season peaks on Sep 10. No word yet from SW LA where the storm came in...
September 1, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oy oy oy oy - I am so damn sorry to hear that - shit!
September 1, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's not going to dump over this. He's gonna hang tough and stick to his story....they need cover on the vetting.
In fact, how dare we accuse him of not properly vetting her, he was a POW!
September 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
His EGO will make sure he hangs tough. He never can get past it.
September 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
He seemed to confuse running mate and running date.
September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point, I've given up on even trying to speculate about what they're going to do. Any possible move they could make is a bad one, and any one of them could plain sink the campaign altogether.
This is what over-reacting gets you. Obama scared the crap out of McCain and his boys with that acceptance speech, and they started with one bad mistake and have made even worse ones in trying to justify the initial mistake.
The Republican campaign could not be any more entertaining, unless a massive brawl breaks out on the convention floor - and even that doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility right now.
September 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent analysis.
Desperate folks commit desperate acts.
They did not even have to reveal this pregnancy!!
Bristol is being thrown to the wolves as a distraction!
She is being used to blunt the story that Trig is Sarah's grandson.
So let's be clear, the original story was about Sarah and her pregnancy deception...now Sarah and the GOP have shifted the story to Bristol. Who would be so heartless as to drag a poor pregnant teen thrown the ringer.
This Sarah Palin is a real humdinger, she is not the kind of mom most folks think of.
If McCain knew this story then it should have been put right out there from the beginning along with her other mom stories. Let's recall the kids were fair game when she was being touted as 'hockey mom' Iraq soldier mom and a woman who is such a kickass she flew all the way back on the plane for 8 hours leaking amnio fluid in labor so she could have her child 'alaskan born' A child with special needs that demonstrated she is a walk the talk right to lifer.
THAT's what started this story SARAH being such a wonderful do it all mom even when pregnant!!
Now, Sarah threw Bristol to the wolves to get the press off her and the GOP says WE the public and the press are wrong for pursuing the child.
Unbeliiievable how they twist stories.
I say follow the Trig's birth certificate.
Follow Bristol's school attendance records.
Grill the hell out of Palin's staff and all the folks in the GOP legislature that hate her butt for beating Murkowski who was their fatted calve.
Sarah has loads of political enemies in Bristol..find them and find out if she once again abused her power by having the registrar create a fraudulent birth certificate for Trig, in that out of the way hospital she drove 45 mins to after an 8 hour plane right.
Ol Sarah Barracuda told such a whopper this time she is going to get eaten alive by it.
September 1, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent analysis.
Desperate folks commit desperate acts.
They did not even have to reveal this pregnancy!!
Bristol is being thrown to the wolves as a distraction!
She is being used to blunt the story that Trig is Sarah's grandson.
So let's be clear, the original story was about Sarah and her pregnancy deception...now Sarah and the GOP have shifted the story to Bristol. Who would be so heartless as to drag a poor pregnant teen thrown the ringer.
This Sarah Palin is a real humdinger, she is not the kind of mom most folks think of.
If McCain knew this story then it should have been put right out there from the beginning along with her other mom stories. Let's recall the kids were fair game when she was being touted as 'hockey mom' Iraq soldier mom and a woman who is such a kickass she flew all the way back on the plane for 8 hours leaking amnio fluid in labor so she could have her child 'alaskan born' A child with special needs that demonstrated she is a walk the talk right to lifer.
THAT's what started this story SARAH being such a wonderful do it all mom even when pregnant!!
Now, Sarah threw Bristol to the wolves to get the press off her and the GOP says WE the public and the press are wrong for pursuing the child.
Unbeliiievable how they twist stories.
I say follow the Trig's birth certificate.
Follow Bristol's school attendance records.
Grill the hell out of Palin's staff and all the folks in the GOP legislature that hate her butt for beating Murkowski who was their fatted calve.
Sarah has loads of political enemies in Bristol..find them and find out if she once again abused her power by having the registrar create a fraudulent birth certificate for Trig, in that out of the way hospital she drove 45 mins to after an 8 hour plane right.
Ol Sarah Barracuda told such a whopper this time she is going to get eaten alive by it.
September 1, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent analysis.
Desperate folks commit desperate acts.
They did not even have to reveal this pregnancy!!
Bristol is being thrown to the wolves as a distraction!
She is being used to blunt the story that Trig is Sarah's grandson.
So let's be clear, the original story was about Sarah and her pregnancy deception...now Sarah and the GOP have shifted the story to Bristol. Who would be so heartless as to drag a poor pregnant teen thrown the ringer.
This Sarah Palin is a real humdinger, she is not the kind of mom most folks think of.
If McCain knew this story then it should have been put right out there from the beginning along with her other mom stories. Let's recall the kids were fair game when she was being touted as 'hockey mom' Iraq soldier mom and a woman who is such a kickass she flew all the way back on the plane for 8 hours leaking amnio fluid in labor so she could have her child 'alaskan born' A child with special needs that demonstrated she is a walk the talk right to lifer.
THAT's what started this story SARAH being such a wonderful do it all mom even when pregnant!!
Now, Sarah threw Bristol to the wolves to get the press off her and the GOP says WE the public and the press are wrong for pursuing the child.
Unbeliiievable how they twist stories.
I say follow the Trig's birth certificate.
Follow Bristol's school attendance records.
Grill the hell out of Palin's staff and all the folks in the GOP legislature that hate her butt for beating Murkowski who was their fatted calve.
Sarah has loads of political enemies in Bristol..find them and find out if she once again abused her power by having the registrar create a fraudulent birth certificate for Trig, in that out of the way hospital she drove 45 mins to after an 8 hour plane right.
Ol Sarah Barracuda told such a whopper this time she is going to get eaten alive by it.
September 1, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
paging idiotic
September 1, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
He can't believe McCain is mimicking his name.
September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I almost at a point where I am starting to feel bad for McCantDoRight.
The conspiracy theory buff in me, made me go back to HRC's speech when she mentioned that in BO's first decision, he had the judgement to pick Joe.lol
Like folks knew she was going to be the pick for a while. who knows.
perhaps I have been in front of this laptop for too long.
September 1, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps, indeed!
But, now that you mention it...
:-)
September 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Face it, McCain would have not made this mistake 8 years ago. He is OLD, demented and making poor judgment calls. He is certainly not capable of being POTUS at this point in his life. Too many screw-ups.
September 1, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, if McCain didn't know beforehand, did Palin?
Even in the briefest of meetings with McCain's people you'd think she would have mentioned this, right? I can't possibly get my head around why she wouldn't have.
So that leaves the possibility that Palin didn't know beforehand either. At 5 months pregnant, the daughter could have still been hiding her pregnancy from her family, and only recently broke the news. Normally that would seem implausible, but given how quickly the events unfolded in this case, perhaps not.
And if the McCain camp did know ahead of time, why on earth didn't they just roll that out as part of the family story to begin with? It wouldn't have been hard to weave in with the whole pro-life/big family meme would it?
Color me confused. None of the possibilities make a heck of a lot of sense.
September 1, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aye, a great many things do not add up. This is an extension of of the reprecussions of McThuseleh's Policy by Nursing Home.
September 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
AT 5 months, if her mother couldn't tell, she is one lousy mother.
September 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone knew enough to cover the bump with the blanket and baby for the introduction in Ohio.
September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's more than just a babybump = there are bigger tits, peeing constantly - if her mother was ever at home, she might have picked up on it - and no period for 5 months?
September 1, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
come on, i have quite a few friends who kept their pregnancies hidden from their parents well into their 7th and 8th months. i remember even in jr. high, this one girl who was pregnant...had no idea she was pregnant until i started getting vocal about her not doing PE with us. a week later, she had a baby. you couldn't even tell.
September 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
come on, i have quite a few friends who kept their pregnancies hidden from their parents well into their 7th and 8th months. i remember even in jr. high, this one girl who was pregnant...had no idea she was pregnant until i started getting vocal about her not doing PE with us. a week later, she had a baby. you couldn't even tell.
September 1, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Elephant In The Room:
If McCain did not know about Sarah Palin's daugher being pregnant, when he offered the VP slot to Sarah Palin, think a moment, think about it; do you realize what that would actually reveal.
OK. Time is up.
What it actually reveals is that Sarah Palin hid that fact from John McCain. In other words, Sarah Palin hid that very important piece of information from John McCain in order to make sure that he picked her.
Boil it down folks;
Keep asking: What did John McCain know, and when did he know it.
When did Sarah Palin tell him about her daughter's condition.
It is a catch22 for McCain. If he was told and still picked her, then he is exposed as a complete incompetent, who lacks the judgment to lead the nation.
If he did not know, then Sarah Palin is coniving, deceiving, truth withholding upstart, who can not be trusted.
Keep on sing the words of the Ballad Of Catch22 McCain.
September 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's more or less what I meant up thread - I do not believe at this point this is anything but a lose-lose for McLame - no matter what Sarah does next - stay or go - he's still lost the same amount of credibility.
At least, that's how I see it. IF he knew - what was he thinking? If he didn't know - what was he thinking?
September 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reading her history, she is coniving, deceitful, vindictive and self-centered.
September 1, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
O hell yeah!
I'm sorry to say this again, but damn it, I know it the minute I saw her in action.
I knew it.
September 1, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look at one of the examples I posted upthread: She fires the Wasilla police chief -- sends him a letter of termination. Reporter asks her about firing the guy, she denies it (probably embarrassed because she fired him for not supporting her campaign). Reporter goes back to the fired chief, who reads the reporter the termination letter.
How the hell did she think she wouldn't get caught in that lie? What kind of grade-school mental calculation was going on? If she ended up across the able from Putin, she'd be playing checkers while he plays three-dimensional chess on her a**.
Anyway, if she thought she could get away with that, she might have thought a VP candidate's 17-year-old-daughter's pregnancy and shotgun marriage could be kept a secret. Not the most astute judgment.
September 1, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
...across the table from Putin... sigh.
September 1, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot to mention the local Librarian. She too was was expected to tender her resignation, however, some people spoke up and vouched for her so she got a stay-of-execution.
September 2, 2008 8:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
They don't give the nick name: "The Barracuda" to some high school girl who is beloved for her warm heart.
The also award the Ms. Congeniality Beauty pageant award to the Barracuda that shows the most teeth.
September 1, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
They don't give the nick name: "The Barracuda" to some high school girl who is beloved for her warm heart.
They also award the Ms. Congeniality Beauty pageant award to the Barracuda that shows the most teeth.
Ms. Congeniality is a synonym for Barracuda.
September 1, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Over on C&L there's this post discussion about the Counsel for National Policy (CNP) meeting just last week "to get to know Sarah Palin".
So, the question I have for McCain is, if he was aware of Palin's Grandmother status, did he find it important to tell the CNP?
If he did not disclose this fact to the CPN, just what are their thoughts about this? Do they have doubts he knew or do they believe he just didn’t want them to know? What might they think about his judgement?
September 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm starting to get dizzy...am I really reading this correctly? Granted, I've written my share, but it's too much to believe.
Will the MSM see it? I guess we'll know tomorrow. The blogs are not likely to let up.
(rub eyes)
Seriously, I think McCain's credability is now damaged beyond any repair, Palin stays or nae. And in a razor-thin race, this cannot be recovered.
I'm just having trouble BELIEVING it could possibly be true.
Wide open now swings the door for issues and governing, which appears to be what Obama wants, may he lay low for another 5-7 days or so, unless attacked directly...never get between a mother and her pregnant daughter....
September 1, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the part I don't get: Why isn't the girl already married?
NOBODY has a problem with a 17 yo girl that is pregnant and married. The scandel is all about the fact that she is not married. They say the father is willing to marry her, so what is the holdup?
Why would they wait until after the child is born to get married? Someone suggested that they may be waiting until after the baby is born so they use mom and dad's health care insurance. That seems like a legit political issue to me: Governer's daughter forced to have illegitimate child because of our insane health care system.
Does anyone happen to know when they intend to marry and what is causing the delay?
September 1, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The scandal is that she is not married?
Are you fucking serious?
September 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because we keep these things secret. We do not talk about it. It's sex, and it's wrong, and no one talked to me about it, and I turned out ok, so we're just not doing to discuss it.
I count three deaths in my own family due to this silence.
September 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Options:
1) Palin told McCain before accpting his selection and both she and he felt it was "no problem" and the American people wouldn't mind being subjected to more soap opera. DUMB! and very CYNICAL!
- or -
2) McCain didn't vet well enough to find out and Palin felt no need to tell him beforehand because that might keep her from being selected. DUMB, INCOMPETEND and DISHONEST!
Is there a good explanation for how we got here?
What's the "good" option?
September 1, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
3. Use the convention to press RESET and replace McCain with....
September 1, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
With....
ALAN KEYES!~!~!
September 1, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
With...
ALAN KEYES!
September 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for dupe... Internet Explorer pulled-a-Palin and crashed...
September 1, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
A consensus pick! He has that experience!
September 1, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
A consensus pick! He has that experience!
September 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I must agree with an earlier poster. I have always been a working mother (with the exception of six months maternity leave). It wasn't easy to balance but it turned out okay. However, there were times in the twenty years when our kids needed us that both my husband and I put work mostly on the back burner. McCain can pick whomever he choses, but I question Palin's judgement in accepting. A four month old infant with lots of special needs and then one's 17 year old announces she is pregnant? It's time to cool it at work and tend to your family. She can do whatever she wants but this is not the choice of someone who cherishes family above all else.
September 1, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I must agree with an earlier poster. I have always been a working mother (with the exception of six months maternity leave). It wasn't easy to balance but it turned out okay. However, there were times in the twenty years when our kids needed us that both my husband and I put work mostly on the back burner. McCain can pick whomever he choses, but I question Palin's judgement in accepting. A four month old infant with lots of special needs and then one's 17 year old announces she is pregnant? It's time to cool it at work and tend to your family. She can do whatever she wants but this is not the choice of someone who cherishes family above all else.
September 1, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it a bit scary to have as VP someone who spent a LOT of her time as governor pursuing a personal vendetta against her sister's former husband? As for management skills, Palin can't manage her own daughter, how's she supposed to manage the country?
September 1, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still think she's crazy for accepting the nomination w/o all of her other personal problems...
September 1, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tucker Bounds was very funny in his interview with Campbell Brown... He touted her National Guard "command". Campbell asked him what decision has Gov Palin made in this reguard. He mentioned something about "belittling" Sarah Palin. Campbell pressed for an answer, and he went on to say how much more experience he had that both 1 and 2 on the dem ticket. Just WOW!
September 1, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get this goddamn site back up please
September 1, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
For the love of God, someone buy the Palin's a baby name book. Stop the madness!
September 1, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
What kind of mother would enter the national stage knowing that the pregnancy of her 17 year old unwed daughter would be fodder for the web, newspapers and television? What kind of mother is she and what kind of nut is she married to that would go along with this? This poor kid needs an advocate and a therapist.
September 1, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
What kind of mother would enter the national stage knowing that the pregnancy of her 17 year old unwed daughter would be fodder for the web, newspapers and television? What kind of mother is she and what kind of nut is she married to that would go along with this? This poor kid needs an advocate and a therapist.
September 1, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
What kind of mother has a child at age 44, 7 years or whatever, after the last one. Then when the baby predictably is found to be a DS baby she leaves him behind to go back to work 3 days later? What kind of mother goes on national TV to tell the whole world that her unmarried 17 year old is pregnant? What kind of mother, having 5 children, one a newborn and one a pregnant teen, accepts a highly public and time consuming job as VP? What kind of mother supports the insane fiasco in Iraq, knowing that her son is heading there where he may well die or be horribly maimed?
What ever kind of mother that used to be, from now on it will be a "Sarah" mother.
But, all of that is just snark. The real question is just how much utter contempt for America must a presidential candidate demonstrate before the Repubs refuse to vote for him? Whatever level that used to be, we are far beyond that now.
September 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/intrusive-personal-questions-from-palin.html
Monday, September 01, 2008
"Intrusive Personal Questions" from the Palin Vetting Questionnaire
"Mr. McCain’s advisers said repeatedly on Monday that Ms. Palin was 'thoroughly vetted'"- The New York Times
Palin "responded to a 70-question form that included 'intrusive personal questions' a senior campaign aide said today."- The Washington Post
"Intrusive Personal Questions" from the Palin Vetting Questionnaire:
1) Did we forget anything?
2)Why are we choosing you if we discovered all of this?
3) Secession from your own country is
a) Patriotic
b) A qualification to be the potential leader of that country
c) Maverick-y!
d) None of the above
4) Did we forget anything?
5) Moose Burger : Abstinence as Moose Hunting :
a) Brother-in-law
b) 50 state flag
c) Bridge to Nowhere (after it was made impossible)
d) All of the above
6) Three Vice Presidential candidates are moving from three equidistant fixed points towards a podium. One, in his slightly glazed stare and awkwardly quasi-combative speech bears a faint resemblance to Dan Quayle; the next can only assist the ticket as we near closer to Rapture; the third seems to have stumbled out of one of Christopher Buckley's sharper efforts. Which one arrives at the podium first?
7) "Nothing that has come out did not come out in the vet." This sentence actually means:
a) Everything has come out and everything has been vetted
b) Everything that was vetted has come out
c) Everything that has come out was vetted
d) The vet came out and vetted the vets vetter than anything has ever been vetted. Really.
8) You are a right-wing, red-state conservative. During the Clinton Administration, you believed that President Clinton's behavior with Monica Lewinsky disqualified him from the Presidency on moral grounds; you fervently raised the terms "Lincoln Bedroom" and "Johnny Chung" to invoke notions of utter corruption, and regarded the "Travelgate" firings as an abuse of power. In the face of the recent revelations regarding Palin's directorship of Ted Stevens' 527, support of the Bridge to Nowhere, "Troopergate" imbroglio, and illegitimate pregnancy of her 16 year old daughter, you:
a) Blame George Soros
b) Talk about Bill Clinton instead of Palin
c) Hold your hands over your ears and loudly shout "La la la"
d) Try to change the subject
9) "Foreign policy experience" includes:
a) Being near another large nation
b) Seceding from your own country and then taking up residence in the new nation
c) Being close to "Nowhere" in your support for the Bridge to Nowhere, which is different than being "Somewhere"
d) Blame George Soros
10) If you were seeking to choose as your running mate someone who would please Evangelical Conservatives with very traditional values, who would be without taint of corruption or misuse of government power, and someone who, in line with your campaign's own slogan, would put "Country First", after thorough vetting and "intrusive personal questions", you would choose someone who:
a) Supported the Bridge to Nowhere
b) Supported the secession of Alaska from the U.S. (Slogan: "Alaska First!")
c) Was the subject of a state ethics investigation due to allegations that she had tried to have her brother-in-law fired and that she fired the state public safety commissioner due to his unwillingness to fire the brother-in-law
d) Would suffer from allegations that her 16 year old child had become pregnant illegitimately, despite her fervent support for abstinence only sex education
e) None of the above
Cite:
Head of State:
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/intrusive-personal-questions-from-palin.html
September 2, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink