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Sarah Palin On Bush Doctrine: Homina, Homina, Homina

Forget war with Russia. The real news from Charlie Gibson's interview with Sarah Palin is this stretch, where she is clearly clueless about what the Bush Doctrine is...

"In what respect, Charlie?"

This performance is the kind of thing that could have a serious impact on the race, unless everyone politely agrees to ignore it.


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FOR FUCK'S SAKE?!?!?! How the fuck are people supporting this nonsense?!

I can just imagine a notecard in her pocket.

Side A: Terrorists
Side B: Hell bent on destroying America

Hey, that's actually funny.

Are you new here? I'm hilarious.

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heh heh, to quote Charlie Gibson: "Didn't That Take Some Hubris?"

(P.S. don't ask me why I'm quoting C. Gibson. I'd have to blame something like, um, I don't know but I'd come up with something...)

;)

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Wow.  I expected Charlie Gibson to roll right over.  What planet is this?

Hmmm.  Maybe he didn't get the memo on showing her due deference.  Or maybe he knew everybody was looking for him to get bamboozled, and he just couldn't take the embarrassment.

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LOL. That interview was hard to watch. The name "Admiral Stockdale" comes to mind. You know the wingnuts think she was a disaster, too, since they're already blaming Charlie Gibson for being "rude" and "sexist" and asking questions that he hasn't asked Obama.

Hell, I wish he asked Obama those questions. He spent like a half hour in the PA debate on capital gains and another half hour on Rev. Wright-ish nonsense.

no shit. I bet Obama would have loved to have those questions! Or, you know, questions about anything that actually matters.

That's interesting.

You gotta believe they were prepared to dispatch a phalanx of right-wing mouths to give another "She hit it out of the park" meme... and then .

So, as when Charles Foster Kane lost the election and they went with the backup front page, "FRAUD AT POLLS!", the right wing noise machine will throw their Friendly Journalist, Mr. Gibson, under the bus tomorrow morning for being mean and sexist.

Unfortunately, her hideously ignorant performance is not going to matter.

The sheer EXPOSURE of this prizewinner (three whole celebrity sit-downs; looking to the Unwashed, for all practical purposes, like a Barbara Walters Special) is gonna endear her even more to the Stupids.

I dread seeing the polls next week. Not simply because McCain will be higher still, but because it pretty much will trash any vestige of optimism I had left about the 'murcan people.

cut it out.

you are soooooooooooooooooooo wrong .

just watch, this is a real body blow to palin.

you think the only people watching were cave thinkers?

she showed how scary she really is.

i see fl. slipping away.

When we point out that Palin in her recent interview didn't know what "The Bush Doctrine" was [who did?] the point is being missed in Palin's discussion of NATO and Terrorists: The Republicans believe in big stick diplomacy and that we can fight the fight alone if we have to.
The Republicans benefit from a World Crisis according to polls and history -- the administration might not cause one but if one happens it helps to get out the Republican vote.
Russia has made it clear that she will not sit idly by while Ukraine and Georgia are allowed into NATO -- therefore as Palin correctly stated -- if they ARE allowed into NATO and Russia intervenes in either country we then are OBLIGATED, rather than strategically driven, to take action.
Russia has a right to its fear of a belligerent NATO-surrounded homeland and reacts just the way we did when Russia wanted to install bases in Cuba. We have also proved to Russia that the right exists, as implemented by the so-called "Bush doctrine", of preemptive strike against a country which "threatens us" by our definition of "threat".... The action in Georgia was provoked by Georgia's government [in spite of Palin's contrary statement] If we continue to support Georgia and Ukraine for NATO, we are asking for a confrontation with Russia. This confrontation is being driven by our desire to control the pipeline across Georgia which Russia opposes and it is easy to understand from a commercial and strategic reason why. Russia accused the US of pushing Georgia to act during the Olympic Games to create a "crisis" to help elect another Republican, although this may be far-fetched, the British have asserted the US took advantage in a similar circumstance and blew a British anti-Al Queda operation in Pakistan for the same political reason, just before the last election. Until the Republicans are out of the Whitehouse and Congress, we will not be able to reduce the political tensions which exist in the modern world as a result of our gun-toting posture in that world. Mike in TN

This is the last part of the interview and it is clear she was running out of ways to guide the responses back to the talking points on her notecards the Bush advisors gave her. It would almost be humerous how many ways she was trying to say "Islamic terrorists" and "hell bent on destroying in America" in the same sentence, humerous if she wasn't running for the second most powerful position in the free world.

It would have been great if Gibson had gone for the jugular and asked point blank "Do you agree with what Barack Obama said many months ago when he said that if we had actionable intelligence on the location of terrorists in Pakistan that we should act on that intelligence with or without the cooperation of the Pakistani government?" She was so flustered by the end of the interview she probably would have had a major gaffe on that question.

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This is somebody who BS'd her way through college.

And everything else!

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BS'd her way through six colleges in five years to get her bachelor's in journalism.

PEACE

I'm not so sure. I suspect that if someone cared to dig into this, they'd find that maybe she didn't actually finish college after all(as is commonly the case with many on the seven-year plan).

Worth looking into, anyway. Idahoans?

Here’s what scares me: All of you guys have a stronger grasp of foreign policy than most members of Congress – seriously. You guys can immediately spot all of her gaffes which required a bit of nuance when it comes to foreign policy. The average American voter, specifically the waitress in small town Ohio almost certainly cannot. These type of people heard: “We’ll go after any country that supports terrorism.” To these people, I’m worried she’ll come off as sounding strong and decisive. She’s being graded on a major curve and it will get spun into how great it is to hear a woman speak so strongly. They’ll be some crap about how mother can be the most dangerous creature on earth when she feels her children are threatened.

The McCain campaign will lambaste the press for being too hard on her and will insert this talking point. The press will play along and start debating this point, establishing the narrative and lending credibility to this.

Remember how we all laughed at Bush in 2000 for all of his gaffes, such as when he couldn’t name most of the major foreign leaders? This kind of shit played well in large swaths of the country and established his “everyman” credibility.

This whole “everyman” aspect of the election is one of the things I find so distressing. It’s the glorification of willful ignorance and represents a contempt for the world which is going to lead to a massive calamity in the next 10 years.

My own personal opinion about the interview is that Dan Quayle must be feelin pretty damn good about himself tonight.

That's a good point and well worth worrying about. But it seems we might be close to a tipping point. The media is turning on this farce. If McCain loses the media then it doesn't matter what Middle America might or might not see. The tone from the press will be enough.

Pufferfish

I'm in small town, Ohio, and that's a good point. You can read more about the Obama reaction locally at www.wearingobamaeveryday.com. I've been surprised at the number of people paying attention. Older people are registering to vote, watching the conventions and generally getting fired up w/fear a country led by Palin. I'm hoping we'll all be pleasantly surprised. Even in small town, Ohio, I think we recognize when someone has no idea what they're talking about.

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My aunt was one of the Hillary-til-she-died voters that was going to stay home on Election Day...until she saw Sarah Palin at the convention.

She's raising money and knocking on doors now. Palin's galvanized a lot of voters, but not necessarily in her favor.

She is extremely polarizing.

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Frankly, I think it's republicans who are hell-bent on destroying America!

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They've had more success then the terrorists, in any case.

If it wasn't so tragic, that would be funny. I mean, just look at her hawkish stare and her sitting forward in the seat like she's ready to say: "And you know what, Charlie? I'll tear you limb from limb right here right now if I so much as smell the odor of gasoline from the bottom of your shoes."

Honestly, she looks like she's ready to eat Charlie Gibson. I just have to go watch it again.

"In what way?"

"Ummm, in precisely the way I phrased it. Did I stutter?"

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The profile shot shows her shoulders hunched over, vulture-like.

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You ever comment on Obama's finger wagging?

Thought not.

And for all of you who enjoyed the Obama girl's appreciation of Obama's hotness, why is it wrong for the public to enjoy Palin's attractiveness?


And for all the vulture comparisons, just which bird to you think Obama would be compared to if that starts?

Keep it real. Palin didn't recognize the Bush Doctrine and she should have. The good news is that she has obviously not been hanging on Bush's every word and taking him as a role model. When Gibson laid the doctrine out -- Palin's reaction was sound -- attack when not attacked only if you have actionable intelligence -- i.e., real evidence that an attack is intended. So we need to know her threshold for actionable intelligence.

Bush's was because he thought so.


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TPM should try posting side by side this piece of the interview and the infamous Ms. South Carolina's reply to a question.

Not that big of a difference.

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You guys are idiots...what appears to be a flub to you, appears to the target audience of the McCain campaign as Chalres Gibson being a pompous ass...but hey, were winning so rail away!

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You guys are idiots...what appears to be a flub to you, appears to the target audience of the McCain campaign as Chalres Gibson being a pompous ass...but hey, we're winning so rail away!

She still has a lot to learn...

I'm leaving for the presidential forum on CNN. See you in a couple of hours.

All she had to do was show up, slap on some lipstick and breath through her nose. She's a "rock star," don'tcha know....

"Don'tcha wish your Veep was hot like me..."

Hey look at that stripper pole in the background... and here come the Pussycat Dolls... and strobe lights and pounding music...

Sarah Palin doesn't need to cross the C-I-C threshold because Republicans dismantled it just for her.

What's infuriating is the commentary afterword on CNN. Of course, Bay Buchanan defended everything Palin said, but what really pissed me off was watching David Gergen and and Candy Crolely. They acknowledged that Palin didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was, but excused it because, and I'm paraphrasing here, "most Americans couldn't tell you what the Bush Doctrine is."

So, this is the official "dumbing down" of our great country? I don't know about David Gergen, but I want my POSTUS or VPOTUS to know MORE than me about such things. They've lowered the bar on this woman so much, the analysis comes down to whether or not she makes an "obvious" gaffe, not whether she really knows what she's talking about.

On a more positive note, the print media looks like it is calling McCain out for the lies. Paul Krugman's column was excellent, and Joe Klein is palatably disgusted by the McCain campain. Even the AP and Wall Street Journal are kicking in. The problem is television news. They will not criticize her because they want to be able to secure a one-on-one interview with her.

Jade, is there hope?

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Well, I am willing to cut her a little slack for drawing a blank on the term "The Bush Doctrine" because that particular term hasn't actually been used much in the last few years. I wish Gibson had simply responded by rephrasing the question, "What do you think of the concept of preventive war?" But maybe he was annoyed (as I was) by the very obvious attempt to sound chummily knowledgeable while punting with that, "In what way, Charlie?" Reminded me of trying to BS your way past a discussion question on a high school history exam for which you had done no reading.

Even cutting her some slack on the "Bush Doctrine" question, it was painfully obvious that she was out of her depth.

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Un-!@#$%^&-believable

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Preach it!

She is nothing but platitudes in that Pakistan/border segment and surprisingly, Gibson calls her on her evasion. I'm actually impressed...?

Yes. Let's give credit where it's due. I was pleasantly surprised that Gibson pressed the issue to the degree he did. He never got an answer out of her, but he tried.

See Matt Yglesias's post on this issue. Gibson should have followed up by asking whether Iraq actually qualified as an "imminent" threat. Because the Bush Doctrine is not limited to "imminent" threats, as Palin implies.

good point.

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Because the Bush Doctrine...

Somehow the words Bush and Doctrine don't seem to go together.

Oh, well maybe if you mean Fuck everybody!  I'm the decider!, that might closer to the mark.

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I wonder if she's in favor of the oath of office. Or even knows what it means.

How about the Constitution? Are you in favor of that?

First Amendment? Your thoughts?

How about freedom of the press? Do you agree with that?

Habeas Corpus? How about that one?

In which respects do you mean?

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Or how about: "Do you understand that you will have to put your hand on the Bible, and swear an oath to faithfully uphold the US Constitution? How do you feel about that?"

Drudge is no longer reporting the interview as a headline, meaning two things:
1. he has a reason not to report it (danger to Republicans)
2. most of the mainstreamers will ignore it.

And, voila! Everything is okay again!

besides, she is so cute. that mean old man Charlie Gibson was simply attacking her because she's a woman. Everybody knows he's a sexist librul anyway.

It's crazy that this has to be such a delicate balancing act.

But I fear it does. If anyone pushes too hard it will turn her into a sympathetic figure.

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But why is it that the self-described pit-bull should not have to take responsibility - just like anyone else?

drudge is not the main stream

expect this to play big.
Obama and Biden will ppush it for days and so will Bill Clinton.

and i will predict thAT the group of voters who will run from mccain/palin now will be the jewish voters.

florida will go Obama now.

this woman has just started her gaffes.
charley went easy on her.

HA! You are hysterical! Insane, delusional, but hysterical! Florida is solidly McCain.

I wouldn't be so sure that McCain & The Queen Bee will take Florida. With all the false innuendos, lies and inaccurate remarks made by the McCain "groupies" there are still a lot more intelligent people out there who ARE MORE THAN READY to welcome the Democrats to the White House. And that includes some unhappy Republicans as well.

It's the knuckle heads out there who act like "sheep" following their Republican Leaders. Talk about mass destruction of the country. If they win, there goes the economy down the drain.

Some give Josh Marshall some milk of magnesia, poor guy has been constipated for a while now.

..that Palin interview shows that she is constipated, no doubt about that.

But I thought constipation was when shit DIDN'T come out???!

..exactly.

Good god. She's so clueless about the goings on of anything outside of Alaska that she had no idea what the Bush Doctrine was until Gibson had to prompt her. I couldn't watch the whole thing-- I was too embarrassed for her.

Will the media please do something and call McCain out for picking a clueless hockey mom to be his Veep?!?

That was the word that popped into my mind: CLUELESS!

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I prefer TOOL

This is just an insight to the mental faculties of the insane repug base. She is giving voice to what they believe the Bu$h Doctrine says. They make this shit up as they go and believe what they are told is completely true. Any variation would be due to regional interpretation.

Now the real test is gonna be how the MSM plays it. All I had to see was poor ole Charlie having to rephrase the question is even simpler terms as if he were talking to a 10 year old to make up my mind. I'm wondering how they're gonna spin it.

He didn't just prompt her. He had to spell it out for her. Clearly the first time she'd ever heard of it.

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Wait a minute.... what makes you think she's informed about what's going on even in Alaska?

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You can hear her voice tighten when she repeats his question. "The Bush Doctrine?" She doesn't know but she's got the standard GOP line and Randy Scheunemann's neocon talking points ready to go.
Fake it 'til you make it, Sarah.

In the future the journalist should provide Palin with the questions in advance. How's she supposed to remember what the Bush doctrine is?

Depends on what the meanings of "do," "you," "agree," "with," "the," "Bush," and "Doctrine" are. This is Alaska, Charlie, just as our Natives have 47 words for snow, we have 47 words for each of these slippery terms.

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Hilarious!

Almost Jon Stewart caliber.

Can't wait until he sinks his teeth into this interview.

"I'm clueless, Charlie, but how DARE you not show enough deference by making it obvious!"

per hyperRevue's hilarious comment above, the "Bush Doctrine" note card is being written as we speak

this is pretty basic stuff: it proves that she was not watching the news for quite a long while

Yes. As Sully keeps saying, the point is not just that she doesn't *know* X or Y. It's that she has apparently never displayed even a minimal level of *interest* in national security or foreign affairs.

That's an absolute disqualification.

But it doesn't matter to the idiot wingnuts. They don't care about ANY of this, all they give a shit about is she's pro-life and believes in Jezuz Chrysler. That's it, bottom line.

She's 'one of them', everything else be damned.

It doesn't matter to the wingnuts. That's why they're wingnuts.

But it will matter to a significant number of independents.

And the more progressives see things like this from Palin, the more likely they are to show up and vote for Obama in November.

You got that right! They know better than the rest of us liberals! Cause they can see right thru all the deceptions!

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This performance is the kind of thing that could have a serious impact on the race, unless everyone politely agrees to ignore it.

I have to admit. Greg? I really admire the fact that you can continue to expect the political media to actually do its job.

I just looked at the first part of the tape, and it seemed pretty obvious that she didn't really understand what Charlie was referring to.

Well, I think this pretty much establishes that she wasn't given all the questions in advance. You have to imagine there is pretty intense journalistic peer pressure on Gibson, lame as he may be.

The Bush Doctrine:


They - BAD
We - GOOD

Lol! Bingo!

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Freaking scary. It was clear she had no idea what the Bush Doctrine was just faking it in trying to answer the question. She is way out of her league, although I doubt that will deter her fans. One has to hope that enough independents, undecideds, and intelligent Republicans see this interview and realize what an impetuous and dangerous choice McCain made in plucking her from obscurity to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

If McCain somehow manages to win this election over an opponent who is smarter than him and Palin combined, I'm officially giving up all hope for this country.

This would be far less amusing if she hadn't been tutored by former Bush foreign policy wonks for the last week. Really, Day One should have covered the Bush Doctrine, shouldn't it?


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The "Bush Doctrine" was something they cooked up to make it look like they had a philosophy, so they could provide "fig leaf" cover for their oil-grab.

They have long ago forgotten about it themselves.

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She's his soul mate! So what does it say about him?

It doesn't matter how these interviews go.

Republicans will just go on TV screaming about how great she did until people believe it.

Or, they'll scream Gibson 'ambushed her with unfair questions'

Or they'll scream 'the media is biased'

Or they'll scream ' sexist!'

You got it partner. Create your own reality. Most people don't know she was terrible and want to be told what to think.

McCain/Palin: We have no clue on foreign policy.

Also, if Alaska's proximity to Russia is such a strong foreign policy experience, I have one question:

Ms. Palin, have you ever met any of those Russians that live so near to you?

Gov. Palin's English is awful. It's like reading an undergraduate's writing. She changes the structure of a sentence midway. And the clichés! And the recirculating vocabulary--blink, blink, blink.

Gaaaahhh!!!

She answers questions like a beauty queen.

Is this going to end up spliced with Miss South Carolina's answer - "such as and such"?

I haven't been able to watch the clip above - it seems to be gone.

You mean about "the Iraq and such as?" Besides most U. S. Americans do not have maps and such as...

Someone on DU who has covered local beauty pageants recognizes her answers as pageant answers:

"It just hit me. Palin's answers to Gibson are PAGEANT answers. I've covered pageants, know the lingo. I covered many, many pageants -- local and state pageants -- as a small-town journalist. And I'm telling you ... the kinds of answers Sarah Palin is giving on ABC are the type of answers pageant contestants (particularly those in the Miss America pageant system) are trained to give on the spot. I'm not being sexist, or advocating some narrow view of what she's capable of. I just know I've heard these kinds of answers many, many times before ... on the pageant stage.

Generalities. Bromides. Hallmark card answers. Patriotic phrases. No real substance ... it just has to have that America-right-or-wrong, peace-on-earth ring to it.

I'm telling you ... she got her freaking interview training on the pageant stage.

....

Let me add that I've interviewed some extremely intelligent pageant contestants over the years ...... the Miss America system (and the former Junior Miss program) gives scholarhip money. I could tell some of the young women I interviewed were really going places -- lots of ambition, challenging majors in college, etc. But there's a certain kind of answer that's more "acceptable" to most pageant judges.

And they're the kind of answers Sarah Palin is giving ... TO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES OF OUR TIME!!!!!!!!

I just got home from a night class, so "Nightline" is my first taste of her interview. And we are not amused. WE ARE APPALLED. John McCain is no patriot if he expects us to accept her as a heartbeat from the presidency. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7038191

Yes. Someone please do this. It would be hilarious and hopefully gain traction.

Not at all. She's not even a little bit for world peace.

But Sarah's like one of us. She's not one of those elites who knows what the heck they're talking about. No. she speaks from the heart, the gut, the whatever...she's like us. And that's what counts.

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She speaks from "the lizard brain."

And that voice, that shrill nasal sound of her voice, ick!

Yep, they made sure she got the word "blink" in a whole bunch. Conservatives love that word. "Blink" must test really well in focus groups.

Yup, now we have the Blinky Twins. She says it, he does it.

What's this "English" you speak of? Sounds elitist to me.

if she can make such a hash of an interview this weak, it's no wonder they want to keep her sequestered away from being asked questions by the rest of the media. and if she can't handle the media how on Earth is she going to handle foreign leaders or diplomats?

And this is with editing!

Can you imagine her in a press conference??

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It's called "Abstinence."

we have a winner

we have a winner

Oh fuck. We're in deep trouble.

No, we're not. Palin will melt like a snowman in Dubai. And people will see her for what she is, a completely empty suit, or parka...

...or a sinister exaggerator.

That may be closer to the truth.

(in which case, we're even more screwed)

apparently you are unfamliar with Ski Dubai...

http://www.skidxb.com/English/facts_eng.htm?mid=1&sid=2

Not even Pat Buchanan is buying this pile of crap. He only cheered when she got the Bush Doctrine wrong, which Pat hates.

This woman is a complete neophyte, a zealot, and more dangerous than W because she lives a life based upon magic-thinking. W pretended it to get elected; she is it.

Obama supporters must give up sleep between now and November to defeat this.

She had her talking points and she was going to get them out regardless of the question.

Charlie seemed good, here. I'm surprised. He won't get bashed for being mean. He was polite, but made her--or at least tried to--get her to answer the question.

She was trained. Don't answer the question, but respond with these talking points.

She really did look lost. She tried to hide it, but she was lost.

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OMFG! Biden is going to stand at his podium during the debates banging his head on the top of the podium . . .

OR maybe looking away like it is a bad car wreck . . .

OR chuckling and shaking his head . . .

This is going to look BAD.

...for US, if Biden shows anything close to the kind of contempt you're describing.

Forget Gibson; for the vast majority of MSM Heathers, far more important than winning the debate on the facts and the positions is winning the debate on "who looked least like an elitist."

Shaking one's head, banging the podium or (Jesus forbid) *sighing* are dead giveaways, I tellya.

Make fun of Supermom, and we Important People will feel so Sorry for her that we might just have to elect her. It's sort of like pity sex, except the recipient gets to declare war on Russia afterward.

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... winning the debate on "who looked least like an elitist."

Joe Biden has a real aw shucks kind of hominess.  Not to worry.

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It's great actually. He'll have the interview to interact with.

And she? well... there's no way mental structures can be retrofitted into her brain! She has no neural structures wherewith to compose thoughts based upon stuff we've all been thinking about since forever!

She can only memorize so many facts. And talking points are no good if you don't even know where to fit them in!

Yeah, look what those tactics did for Gore.

I recognize her from high school...

she's the a-hole who never did her homework and gave painfully long bullshit answers, spouting platitudes in a condescending tone, often mentioning the teacher by name.

Co-sign. Dead on.

That is exactly what I thought - High School. Honestly, Did you hear her voice break when she said in what way charlie. The repeated Charlies, the puzzeled look in her eyes trying to see the answer in Charlies face as she stumbled along, the fist jabs for effect. I keep thinking about Obama and Biden sitting back in their chairs, comfortable with themselves and each other and being interviewed. Who coached Palin - a high school debate coach? OR WAS IT A BEAUTY PAGENT MENTOR?

Why does it matter if she knows what the words "Bush Doctrine" exactly mean? He could have just asked her the specific question - do we have the right to a pre-emptive strike to any country that we think is a threat to the USA?

in an emergency someone may shout: CPR!
and i don't want someone bullshitting.
it's basic, it's condensed knowledge that shouldn't necessitate elaboration and she knows she's epic FAIL. she's just lovin' the attention.

Because she is a candidate to carry on these exact same policies. Her party is the incumbent party who created and executed this doctrine.

Doesn't it say something about her and McCain that he picked someone who doesn't know the doctrines of the previous president of her own party? This is the foreign policy we have been talking about, she is talking out of her backside. Her attitude and predisposition to go all in at any time is exactly what we don't need. She didn't know what she was talking about but acted as if she did. We can call the bullshit now, but what about when it actually mattered? Do we need that?

OR

Do we need someone who is well studied on foreign policy, thoughtful, intelligent, and who has the ability to bring people together for the greater good?

Not to hard to see... If you need to be reminded, just push play again.

Are you kidding me?

Jesus Screaming Christ! They're proposing to make her one 73 year old heartbeat away from the presidency and you don't think its a problem that she doesn't even have enough grounding in current events to know basic shit like the name of the prevailing foreign policy doctrine? You think there's going to be time to give her a graduate cram course on the last five or six years worth of history when the shit hits the fan?

I know, why don't we just go pull someone out of the dish room of a restaurant at random and make him vice president. Obviously its not important for that person to have even the slightest grounding in current events or foreign affairs.

I know, why don't we just go pull someone out of the dish room of a restaurant at random and make him vice president.

At least he wouldn't be elitist, and he would have experience cleaning things up.

Hell, he'd probably be an illegal alien.

My theory is that she's a Dick Cheney front... He's not planning on leaving his undisclosed location in January -- Palin will join him there so he can mentor her.

I think Cheney would *love* to spend some time "tutoring" Saracuda at the undisclosed location.

sorry, but we'd like to think our world leaders know a little more than we do...

clearly, she only doesn't.

scary

Yes, she should know the basic foreign policy principles of her own party.

On the other hand, most Americans don't know what the Bush doctrine is, so they might not give a damn. They might see the question as a gotcha moment like the interview that George W gave in 2000 where he couldn't name world leaders -- did not seem to hurt him too much.

I would be careful not to set the bar too low for Palin before the VP debate. To lower expectations so much that she barely has to show up to get a passing grade.

Funny things is that, to my eye, he thought he had. That is, it didn't even occur to him that she might not know what he was talking about when he first asked the question.

To your larger point, although I agree that the sort of gotcha journalism that is so prevalent is a little stupid, I do think there is some value in testing whether a candidate is minimally informed on the fundamental issues in any relevant area of expertise. So even if this was a gotcha question, its wasn't an entirely inappropriate one. Its something that anyone who has given even a small amount of thought to foreign policy ought to be able to answer.

It was not a "gotcha" question AT ALL. He was dead serious. It only crossed into absurdity/gotcha territory when she didn't know whatthefuck it IS!

right. it was like watching a parent trying to teach their kid how to hit a wiffle ball.

'good swing! that was a close one. here, let me throw it a little slower. now keep your eye on the ball. okay i'll get a little closer this time. are you ready?...'

the frightening thing is that if we were to complete the analogy, the kid who can't hit the wiffle ball is scheduled to bat cleanup the next day in game seven of the world series.

Or if they don't know (which clearly she didn't) they ASK!! Not the best thing to do in an inteview like this, but I'd have a lot more confidence in her if she'd said "I'm blanking, Charlie, or maybe I know it by a different name." At least we'd know she has sense enough to shut up and ask when she's backed into a corner.

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It was pretty clear she didn't know there was anything specific called the "Bush Doctrine." She thought Rose was just talking about "what Bush thinks about stuff." I mean, she didn't even know enough to be able to ask, "What are you talking about?"

Were this an upper division seminar in international relations: D

Interview for the consumption of American voters deciding on who to pick for their vice president (who love that she understands that terrorists are "hell bent"): A

Future of America and the world: F

Here's the transcript, care of msnbc's First Read:

GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view.

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.

PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?

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TerryCarroll,

When Palin finally answered the preemptive doctrine question she justified its legitimacy by setting up a scenario of almost absolute certainty that an enemy was going to attack us.

Following her scenario, ANY President would order a preemptive attack, but that's not the way it works. We're never that certain of an imminent attack and Iraq is the classic example. Today our reason for the invasion has evolved, it was to get rid of a brutal dictator.

The "Bush Doctrine" simply makes way for more Iraqs and we know how that worked out, don't we?

My first reaction; WTF was McCain thining? I actually thought she would come off better than this just in terms of appearance.

But the first impression is strong - WTF why would we put a 10th grade civics teacher in charge of the largest army in the world. Of course she is just spouting talking points planted by McCains FP team - in other words BushIII and IV.

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Hey, if my high school civics ("social studies") teacher is still alive, you bet your ass he knows what the Bush Doctrine is.

I'm sure Lincoln Chafee and others like him are emailing Obama right now volunteering to go on the campaign trail for him. Maybe even Rice.

I'm sure Lincoln Chafee and others like him are emailing Obama right now volunteering to go on the campaign trail for him. Maybe even Rice.
Close enough: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/ex-sen-chafee-m.html

Like a pitbull caught in the headlights. This is not a reflections on Sarah Palin, who probably did as well as anyone could expect her to do. Going from Governor of Alaska to VP candidate cannot be easy.

This is a reflection on John McCain, who did not put country first in selecting Palin. He put his selfish quest for the Presidency above all when he selected Palin as his Trophy Veep.

Shame on McCain.

Co-sign.

exactly right. I find Palin personally irritating myself, but the attacks about her lack of readiness should be aimed at McCain, not her. He's the one who should know better.

Oh, god, I can't stand it. We've had to listen to Sarah Palin for several years. Now, wall to wall Sarah nonstop.

When Alaskans first heard of McCain's pick, we thought he had lost his mind. Now, we cannot believe that millions of Americans seem to want to vote for this woman based on one speech and virtually no information.

Guys, she really IS from a small town in Alaska: 5,000 people when she was mayor (more now). She knows almost NOTHING about anything outside Alaska. She's not dumb, though, and she can certainly learn. But, as is crystal clear from this clip, she doesn't know it now.

Hey, it's the 5th largest city in the state! Seriously, that's how the conservative mouth pieces respond when someone brings up the size of the town!

It doesn't matter what one knows. It's about what one believes--whether it's right or not. This election is about convictions, not issues!

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I was telling people the day after McCain picked her: Forget foreign policy experience, she doesn't even have American experience. She's lived her entire life in an outlier state from which it seems difficult, if not impossible, to generalize to the rest of the U.S. -- and she doesn't seem interested in any place BUT Alaska. That's fine for her role as governor, but woefully inadequate for national office.

Yeah, I know she went to college in Idaho (several of them, apparently), but come on...

New logo for the McCain campaign:

McCain in full uniform, the old sea captain, with a parrot sitting on his shoulder. The fact that the parrot might be shitting on his dress blues, no problem.

If I were Charlie Gibson, and it had become apparent to me that she didn't know what the hell I was talking about, it would take all the professional fortitude I could muster to not jerk her around for a while to see where she went with it:

"You know Sarah, the Bush Doctrine. You know, the thing...about the satellite on the MOON?.... and communicating with the WHALES?...and the RAPTURE?... What's your take on the whole thing?"

LMAO!

I'm watching McCain talk about "service" right now. I guess community service is no longer some bullshit endeavor.

Everyone needs to calm down. Overreacting and being sensational only plays into their hand. This hurt us before, we can't repeat the same mistake. The McCain camp is hoping for it.

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we've got nothing to do with it.

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we've got nothing to do with it.

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oh fuckity!

Biden must be licking his chops.

They obviously told her to avoid using the word "Bush" wherever possible


Heckuva job Sarah!

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Sovereign nations be damned . . . That’s what CHEESES sez . . . Yep dem tay-er-er-ists suck duty cuz it is R duty to feed dem duty! Yee-HAW!

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Beauty Queen - the standard answer is "world peace", not "world war".

They gotta be readying an inner ear radio transmitter implant for her as we speak. She ain't ready for this.

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Somebody upthread hit the nail on the head. No one will watch the interview but like the debates, it'll all be about the spin. GOP is I'm sure already got its talking points out to its people about how she showed great American small-town values in confronting a hostile media set to embarass her...

The Dems need to get in front of this right now. A single line has to come from ever Dem who appears on a tv show or radio for the next 96 hours:

Sarah Palin showed in vivid lack of detail, in a "blurr of words" that she is too dangerous to be a heartbeat from the Presidency. She certainly has shaken up the race and excited the hard-right base, but the time has come for us to pick a team capable of governing, not just sloganeering. Sarah Plain failed that test.

Correct. They have already primed the pump...


The large news organizations are in control of this election.

If they go along with Republican nonsense - if they refuse to bust these people for their lies and boob-headedness - the Republicans will win.

The debates will be over as soon as they start if the questions are of the soap-opera type : "How do you feel about a spunky woman who has done her best to raise a family while ... ?"

Why are the news organizations doing this ?

Ratings ?

They prefer an election based on frivolous nonsense ?

Their parent corporations feel that with Republicans in power, they'll make more money in the short term, largely due to lower business taxes and larger government kickbacks.

The advantages only last until neocons cut off the Eastern Bloc and the entire Middle East via war. Suddenly the corporations that invested in Republican victory will find many of their markets unreachable.

But of course, that's long-term. By the time we're at war, the specific bigwigs who helped the Republicans win will already have left the corporations in question, taken the money, and run.

(average voter) I like her, she's like me, I could be her... I'm a hockey mom/dad......
I don't know what the Bush doctrine is, why would she? She'll have advisers telling her what's what. If nothing else there's wikipedia.

Holy shit she knows nothing. Every word she speaks is programmed by the McCain campaign. This is what she likes without a teleprompter and you don’t get a teleprompter dealing with Putin.

I remember when I was in school and I had to take an essay test on those blue notebooks. I would filibuster my answer trying to use big code words to cover-up for my lack of knowledge about the subject. I was hoping that maybe please maybe it made sense. That is actually Palin. Her answers are so rehearsed. It's like get a question about national security and insert the word Islamo fascists here.

But really its not about being able to answer the questions it’s about knowing the facts and no amount of home schooling will make Slick Sarah ready to lead.

...for US, if Biden shows anything close to the kind of contempt you're describing.

Forget Gibson; for the vast majority of MSM Heathers, far more important than winning the debate on the facts and the positions is winning the debate on "who looked least like an elitist."

Shaking one's head, banging the podium or (Jesus forbid) *sighing* are dead giveaways, I tellya.

Make fun of Supermom, and we Important People will feel so Sorry for her that we might just have to elect her. It's sort of like pity sex, except the recipient gets to declare war on Russia afterward.

pay close attention, people, to the body language...leaning forward, forceful tone, authoritarian in nature. They know this plays well with the republican base and with fearful americans. she's either well coached in this style of communication or does it naturally. Seems very intentional to me.

Also, saying the interviewers name repeatedly is irritating as hell. It's meant to disarm the interviewer. Pretty basic stuff.

Now, how coached she was on content...not so much...

she is freaky....ugh...

Now, the real crazy thing is that everything we're saying here, the complete opposite is being said on conservative sites...what a weird world we live in..

kiva

Obama has his next ad which he will never run

He took removed the cease-fire for the 527s this week... let's see.

Christopher Guest's next movie should be a parody of this election -- a la Waiting for Guffman and Best in Show -- starring Catherine O'Hara as Sarah Palin.

Or is Palin parodying Catherine O'Hara parodying a clueless in-over-her-head candidate?

OH, HER GOD!

She is not simply uninformed, she is an idiot.

McSame-Palin: MENACE TO SOCIETY.

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Gibson... "do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

Palin... let me think... I'm a Christian... I can't get caught lying... oh God, what should I do... I know... I'll just misstate, confuse, and avoid letting anyone know I haven't a clue... I'll just confess tonight when I go to bed...

"In what respect Charlie..."

Someone remind me, what the hell is she planning to reform? I guess the Bush Doctrine ain't one of them.

OH MY GOD!

McCain just got asked about the his campaign making fun of Obama's community service and he blamed Obama (!!!!) for the tone of the campaign for not accepting his 10 town halls!!!!

What a jackass.

The repeated forced use of "charlie" was simply annoying.

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And the Edith Bunker whine, too.

The repeated forced use of "charlie" was simply annoying.

you can say that again.

Like a used car salesman.

That's where their strong moral compass provides them with much needed guidance.

Or their plastic Jesus, whatever.

Wow...I don't post often, but this was just uncomfortable to watch. I'd almost feel bad for her, except she brought it on herself. I seriously hope people sat down on watch this twit and spent a good long time thinking about whether they really want Palin a heart beat away from the presidency.


"I personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so because some of the people out there in our nation that don't HAVE maps and I believe that our education like such as South Africa and the Iraq and everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, that our education over here in the US should help South Africa, and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so people be able to build up our future, for us."

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That's it! Been trying to think for days who it was she reminded me of...

Just heard Senator McCain say on CNN that Russia invaded Georgia. Coupled with this quote from Governor Palin on ABC, "And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," Please major press, call McCain and Palin out on this "political" fabrication. Georgia started the conflict and many of those people being shelled by Georgia were Russian Citizens. This to important to miss especially with the more conciliatory tone coming from the Kremlin now. World war three is not an option.

A beauty pageant answer from a beauty pageant contestant.

Just heard Senator McCain say on CNN that Russia invaded Georgia. Coupled with this quote from Governor Palin on ABC, "And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," Please major press, call McCain and Palin out on this "political" fabrication. Georgia started the conflict and many of those people being shelled by Georgia were Russian Citizens. This is to important to miss especially with the more conciliatory tone coming from the Kremlin now. World war three is not an option.

You know, World War III might be an opition for her. I'm not sure how her personal religious views look at this, but WWIII might be something she's looking forward to--or at least she might not be frightened of it.

Now, let's not distort here.

The Georgian conflict is a very gray area. Russia has been trying to provoke Georgia for a couple years.

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hmmm, I was just thinking, maybe since Palin knows so much about Russia because of it's proximity to Russia, we should be concerned in that Russia is actually closer to AK, than AK is to the rest of the US - maybe it's the US Palin doesn't know enough about?

Hmm, she seemed clueless on that one. I can just imagine the McCain camp saying "I can't believe this mothafucka asked her about the Bush Doctrine, he's off the list." We shouldn't overreact though, we have to access how the media portrays this one.

Listen to the whole thing. She actually says "you can see Russia from the coast"!

This isn't happening.

And the whole thing, you can tell she's making it up, looking for him to confirm that she's on the right track. If a freaking applicant for a summer internship talked like that in an interview, I'd smile, shake her hand, and tell the employee committee "there's no way you can hire this liar. She doesn't know anything and, worse, refuses to admit it."

This isn't happening.

She's probably trying sell the fact that since she is the leader of the Alaskan national guard, that the Russians wouldn't dare and try to invade Alaska.

She's kept them safe from a Russian invasion for almost 2 years.

Next to the Holy Bible, I find that Full Metal Jacket pretty much has all you need to know about life

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Oh that's right, Private Palin, don't make any fucking effort to get to the top of the fucking obstacle. If God would have wanted you up there he would have miracled your ass up there by now, wouldn't he?

Next to the Holy Bible, I find that Full Metal Jacket pretty much has all you need to know about life

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Oh that's right, Private Palin, don't make any fucking effort to get to the top of the fucking obstacle. If God would have wanted you up there he would have miracled your ass up there by now, wouldn't he?

I love it. LOL really hard.

LOL really hard.

Listen to the whole thing. She actually says "you can see Russia from the coast"!

This isn't happening.

And the whole thing, you can tell she's making it up, looking for him to confirm that she's on the right track. If a freaking applicant for a summer internship talked like that in an interview, I'd smile, shake her hand, and tell the employee committee "there's no way you can hire this liar. She doesn't know anything and, worse, refuses to admit it."

This isn't happening.

It is happening. It reminds me of a first year graduate students giving a student seminar to the department about the research they did during their first laboratory rotation.

Palin is bizarre - did you see her wink at Gibson? Real cute, you betcha'.


McCain used bad judgment in choosing Palin, but what makes it worse is that his friends from over the years refuse to believe that their old buddy has lost his ability to make long range decisions. He is not the person they knew.


People with early stage Alzheimer's need support from family and friends, reassurance that things will be fine, "You are still the same good old guy, don't fret." People are instinctively reluctant to criticize a friend's fading abilities. Even democrats who had a friendly relationship with McCain are trying to blame his crazy-ugly campaign on his handlers - but this election will decide too much of the world's future! If he can't control his campaign, then what is he capable of?


The spokespeople of the Democratic party have to tell it like it is, no mushmouthing around with big words and innuendo. McCain has bad judgement, an unpredictable temper, and extremist advisors. McCain is lying. McCain is not in good enough mental health to function without a script.


Who writes that script???


Palin is bizarre - did you see her wink at Gibson? Real cute, you betcha'.


McCain used bad judgment in choosing Palin, but what makes it worse is that his friends from over the years refuse to believe that their old buddy has lost his ability to make long range decisions. He is not the person they knew.


People with early stage Alzheimer's need support from family and friends, reassurance that things will be fine, "You are still the same good old guy, don't fret." People are instinctively reluctant to criticize a friend's fading abilities. Even democrats who had a friendly relationship with McCain are trying to blame his crazy-ugly campaign on his handlers - but this election will decide too much of the world's future! If he can't control his campaign, then what is he capable of?


The spokespeople of the Democratic party have to tell it like it is, no mushmouthing around with big words and innuendo. McCain has bad judgement, an unpredictable temper, and extremist advisors. McCain is lying. McCain is not in good enough mental health to function without a script.


Who writes that script???


I did see the wink. I was immediately reminded of a warning from an Alaskan who said when she is stumped in an interview she will try to "flirt" with the camera and interviewer. I guess we just saw that.

As for the judgement issue, I think we all agree that McCain showed bad judgement with the selection of Palin.

However, it is not an easy argument for Obama or his surrogates to make unless (or until?) Palin proves herself to be unfit for the VP position. If she screws up so bad that there really isn't any rational person that would not agree that she is unfit then they can and probably lay into McCain's judgement.

In other words, the judgement argument will only work on someone if they already believe Palin is unqualified. Most people are not there (yet).


Josh wondered as to the whereabouts of Joe Biden

Keeping his powder dry....

He's out there campaign, and getting about the same amount of attention that a normal VP candidate gets from the media.

He's in NYC, was in the audience at the Service Forum tonight. And I suspect he and Obama had a very serious -- and stupified -- pow-wow shortly afterwards. Maybe they even waited until the forum was over with to watch the interview. ........ Surprise!!!

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maybe she should've asked him to use it in a sentence? buy a vowel?

LOL

Clap hands! Little Sarah made a poopie. Good girl!

LO-fucking-L!!!!

Clap hands! Little Sarah made a poopie. Good girl!

LoL

you gave me a good chuckle with the poopie line. i know it's bathroom humor but it brought back memories of potty-training my son.

thanks!

I believe Mccain just made another house type gaffe. In his discussion about Mayors. He let loose a gaffe along the lines of ebign divorced from folks day to day exitence in Warrshington ...this is a meme that needs framed and hung for all to see

Good lord.

Admittedly I'm reacting off this 2.5-minute snapshot, but she speaks in cliches, and barely addresses his questions, and even Charlie's slow-go-it approach seemed to have her a bit thrown.

This is worse than George W.

Clap hands! Little Sarah made a poopie. Good girl!

I'm a Harvard Law grad and I don't exactly know what "the Bush doctrine" is either. No big deal.

And you're not qualified to be Vice President either.

Co-sign with gusto.

This isn't about YOU. It's about this country and the rest of the world. COME ON. You are not months away from the vice presidency of the most powerful country in the world and a heartbeat away from the presidency of same?

I wouldn't expect you to know it. I also wouldn't expect you to know the intricate workings of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac or the details of the U.S.-India Civil Nuclear Agreement. But you know what? You're not less than 5 months away from possibly being in charge.

If we can't expect at least a minimum level of knowledge and understanding from our leaders, then we should just say "Fuck it" and turn the whole thing into a reality show.

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Ok, well, keep chasing those ambulances.

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I'm a Harvard Law grad and I don't exactly know what "the Bush doctrine" is either. No big deal.

That explains a lot.

Hell, I bet Bush doesn't even know what the Bush Doctrine is. All he knows is that he should be allowed to blow shit up whenever he wants. He's the Decider, after all.

"When the Senator popped the question, I said 'yup,yup'"-----Sarah Palin, 9-11-2008

Good God, I'm a senior citizen with only a couple years experience in local government and I've known what the "Bush Doctrine" is since it was first articulated several years ago.

Smarten up Republicans and MEDIA. Palin's got to stay in Alaska. She would be a disaster for America.

Like a used car salesman.

"When the Senator popped the question, I said 'yup,yup'"-----Sarah Palin, 9-11-2008

Good God, I'm a senior citizen with only a couple years experience in local government and I've known what the "Bush Doctrine" is since it was first articulated several years ago.

Smarten up Republicans and MEDIA. Palin's got to stay in Alaska. She would be a disaster for America.

1. Props (in this clip) to Charlie. He did more than any of us thought he would to get a bit of information voters require at this moment in our history. It's still softball, tho. Or wiffleball.

2. NO DIFFERENT STANDARDS OR QUALIFICATIONS OR QUESTIONS OR METHODS FOR A FEMALE CANDIDATE for veep. It's sexist and demeaning hogwash, and it's dangerous for us and our allies.

You know the dems might have to be careful about not beating up on her too much over this.

In this mixed-up, muddled-up, shook-up world, the voters might take her side. She's one of us. And when you beat up on her, you're beating up on all of us.

Besides, she doesn't need to know the Bush Doctrine. This is McCain/Palin, they're reformers!

I know, it sounds bizarre...but never underestimate the republican spin machine.

I'm of the scorched earth school of fighting myself. I think the meme of Dems as cowards is too powerful to ignore. I'd rather loose fighting hard than loose running away.

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Well, we've certainly lowered our expectations for Gov. Palin, but somehow she still managed to underperform them.

God help the USA.

I hear fear in her voice. Like she knows the jig is up and she's about to be exposed as a fraud.

Greg, Don't kid yourself, she was very good. She answered the question they way you and me and everyone else would have. So far speaking only about style her debating skills during the race for governer and her Gibson interview are impressive. I predict a very enthusiastic response from the viewers. I fear for Biden. Speaking of Biden, what ever happened to him?

She answered the question they way you and me and everyone else would have.

All I can say is I'm sure as hell glad that you're not the VP candidate. You don't sound any brighter than that dim bulb from Alaska.

You mean she answered the question the way you, me, and everyone else who's not qualified to be Vice President of the United States would answer it, right?

She answered the question they way you and me and everyone else would have.

And that's why not everyone's qualified to be the POTUS.

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Well, I knew enough not to invade Iraq so it is entirely possible that a lottery would have given us a better President than Bush.

lol

sure she did. cause none of us know what the bush war doctrine is and we are all running for VP.

i feel your pain.

Dumb as a box of rocks..Biden's keeping his powder dry

Then again maybe she's just trying to lower the bar for the debate 10/2

I SAID he should have picked Mentum...now who's going to tell McSame the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni or that Iraq doesn't border Afghanistan?

I SAID he should have picked Mentum...now who's going to tell McSame the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni or that Iraq doesn't border Afghanistan?

"I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq..."

Reality Show Election.

drudge is not the main stream

expect this to play big.
Obama and Biden will ppush it for days and so will Bill Clinton.

and i will predict thAT the group of voters who will run from mccain/palin now will be the jewish voters.

florida will go Obama now.

this woman has just started her gaffes.
charley went easy on her.

That's really the beauty of it. It was a total softball question that she just totally fucked up. That's the best kind of gaffe. Just like the McCain house question should have been an easy question.

pssst...

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server issues....

psst...maybe if we say she did ok, they won't prep her for the debate...

What's interesting is how this is NOT being emblazoned across the front of Foxnews. It's given a second-tier story after, "McCain Blunts Palin's Jab at Obama." THAT leading story says McCain told Obama his community service was really not such a bad thing after all.

Anyway, even the Fox story isn't all that enthusiastic about her, noting that she was stepping out of her "protective bubble" for the first time.

Sadly, this isn't going to change the minds of the base one bit. On one of my momblogs, the Palinluvers are already falling all over themselves abotu how good she looked and how well she did. "I don't know what the Bush doctine is, either. So what?" That's a direct quote.

On one of my momblogs, the Palinluvers are already falling all over themselves abotu how good she looked and how well she did. "I don't know what the Bush doctine is, either. So what?" That's a direct quote.

So, by their standards, why don't we just have the winner of the Miss America pageant be our president?

I try not to be too judgemental about the intelligence levels of my fellow citizens and how/why they choose to vote who they vote for, but....if you vote for someone because of how they look, then you're just an idiot, end of story.

On one of my momblogs, the Palinluvers are already falling all over themselves abotu how good she looked and how well she did. "I don't know what the Bush doctine is, either. So what?" That's a direct quote.

So, by their standards, why don't we just have the winner of the Miss America pageant be our president?

I try not to be too judgemental about the intelligence levels of my fellow citizens and how/why they choose to vote who they vote for, but....if you vote for someone because of how they look, then you're just an idiot, end of story.

On one of my momblogs, the Palinluvers are already falling all over themselves abotu how good she looked and how well she did. "I don't know what the Bush doctine is, either. So what?" That's a direct quote.

So, by their standards, why don't we just have the winner of the Miss America pageant be our president?

I try not to be too judgemental about the intelligence levels of my fellow citizens and how/why they choose to vote who they vote for, but....if you vote for someone because of how they look, then you're just an idiot, end of story.

Wow. She is 'Bush League' in every sense of the term.

This is pretty pitiful although I agree with those who worry that this won't be nearly as negative as it first appears because the average person doesn't really know what the 'Bush Doctrine' is anyway! They'll hear her talking tough about killing terrorists and think it's a good thing. The problem hasn't been that Bush is or isn't tough. It's been that he hasn't been smart about being tough! There is a difference and as they say the devil is in the details. For a president and party that doesn't 'do nuance' this is a big problem.

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"you can see Russia from the coast"!

I knew it.

Palin is a Flat Earther!

I would much prefer she believed in High Elvish Farsight than zealous (alledged) "christianity".

I agree that this gaffe will do nothing for the clueless evangelical crowd on the right. They are a one issue group and this won't phase them any. But, it's going to scare the hell out of independents.

This was like watching a boxer who's been instructed to throw a fight discovering, to his horror, that the chump he's been matched against can't even handle pulled punches. Unreal.

Obviously the McCain campaign has made a calculation that the less qualified Palin appears, the more voters will be able to identify with her ('She's one of us', etc); and they must have some plan to bounce her out after the election if he wins . . . the 'Spend More Time With My Family' bit . . . whereupon McCain will then appoint Lieberman to replace her. I can't imagine anyone, even in that campaign, is comfortable with the prospect of her serving a day as Vice President.

A couple of years ago, she could get you out of a parking ticket in Wasilla, and now she’s on the Republican Presidential ticket!?! It may sound like the sequel to “Being There,” but this ain’t no movie! Sarah Palin stars in this real life rags-to-possible-riches musical parody. Co-starring Bill Maher.

See it at http://parodyandson.blogspot.com

I SAID he should have picked Mentum...now who's going to tell McSame the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni or that Iraq doesn't border Afghanistan?

Obama kill it at the forum tonight.

Aw, c'mon. Don't tease us like that...

He really did.

Obama kill it at the forum tonight.

Gibson: Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?

Palin: Yes. Fool me won't get fooled again!

OUTSTANDING PRIVATE PYLE!

This is great news - for John McCain!

I cannot wait to wake up tomorrow and hear the MSM pundits explain to me why it is, in fact, brilliant strategy to poke a bear with a stick.